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Shog9

00:28

@Cerberus Because under US law we have to comply with DMCA requests - no matter how silly - or risk losing our "safe harbor" protections. At which point, we'd pretty much be screwed.

Cerberus

@Shog9 But you don't need the safe harbour if the request is bogus.

That's the point.

If you comply, you cannot be sued at all; if you do not comply, you can be sued, but you will win on the merit of the case.

Shog9

@Cerberus Being perpetually in court isn't really "winning".

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Cerberus

@Shog9 Who says you would be?

That evil CipherCloud company has little to gain from suing you.

Shog9

@Cerberus not a lawyer; from what I've been told, we have a short period of time to comply (2-3 days or some such) after which the author can dispute and get it put back up (they're sent a notice to the same effect at the same time). That's assuming we want to comply with the DMCA. If we don't, we can certainly put up with litigation from whoever whenever... But that's pretty much just a way to burn money without any hope of getting anything in return.

Cerberus

Is the principle of not giving in to trolls abusing the legal system worth something?

Besides, I don't think you would get sued at all.

Going through the trouble of even censoring comments is...worrying.

Shog9

00:33

@Cerberus they didn't have much to gain from sending the take-down either - they got a huge amount of bad press over it, and far more people ended up reading the answers there than would've ever seen it otherwise.

Cerberus

Yes, but they didn't know that yet, and sending that take-down itself was cheap.

Shog9

@Cerberus IIRC, it's not a setup where you can pick and choose which ones you feel have merit. Either you operate under DMCA safe harbor rules for all copyright claims, or you forgo the protection even in cases where the claims are legit.

Cerberus

I don't believe that is true?

Shog9

Like I said, I'm not a lawyer. This is how I've understood it.

Cerberus

Did your lawyer look at it? Is he a copyright specialist?

From what I understand, it doesn't work that way. It wouldn't make sense.

Shog9

00:36

Recall in the Viacom vs YouTube cases, the primary claim was that YouTube was claiming safe harbor protection but being picky about what they actually took down.

(IIRC, this has never been proved)

Cerberus

Viacom was recently and definitively defeated.

Youtube won.

Cerberus

00:52

@Shog9 In any case, I think at worst the safe harbour would be removed only in that specific lawsuit, and only against the specific "works" you would be accused of infringing upon in that specific lawsuit.

Shog9

That would make more sense to me. But then again, not a lawyer.

Cerberus

01:03

@Shog9 Would you have removed the info if it had been your own post?

Immediately, without question?

Shog9

01:26

@Cerberus I generally avoid moderating my own posts

And really, I'm rarely involved in DMCA stuff anyway; I handled these because it was a weekend and no one else was around.

Cerberus

Do you/we get many DMCA requests?

I meant, what if the request had been about a Stack Exchange blog post by, say, Joel?

Shog9

I don't think so. But, I really don't know either. There's a contact person for those who handles them and involves us only in weird situations.

This situation was weird because the actual take-down notice (which you can find posted elsewhere on the site) asked for the entire question to be removed... And it was.

Cerberus

Would SE important stuff from Joel's post if the request had been about his post?

Shog9

That was truly excessive, but doing just the images required access the person handling it didn't have; hence my involvement.

Cerberus

@Shog9 Trolls always do that, make completely absurd requests.

Shog9

01:29

yes, they do tend to do that.

Cerberus

So what if it had been a post by SE itself?

Shog9

@Cerberus I honestly have no idea how that would be handled. Pretty sure "safe harbor" doesn't apply when you're the person posting the content, but it probably comes down to how badly whoever wanted to be a jerk about it.

I suspect more lawyers would be involved.

Cerberus

Right.

Shog9

I try to stay away from lawyers.

Cerberus

Still, I think the info should be reinstated.

Can you make the user post a counter-claim?

Shog9

01:33

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Q: CipherCloud DMCA notice

CipherCloud just filed a DMCA notice with stack exchange to take down the question How is CipherCloud doing homomorphic encryption? (now deleted by stackexchange). Since I obviously can't post the full question+answers here, a short summary of what it contained: The question itself asks if/how...

@Cerberus can't make users do anything

IIRC, a few of them discussed doing it, but I don't know that any did

Cerberus

Suggest.

Encourage.

Inform.

tchrist

02:14

Stridulation

Stridulation is the act of producing sound by rubbing together certain body parts. This behavior is mostly associated with insects, but other animals are known to do this as well, such as a number of species of fish, snakes and spiders. The mechanism is typically that of one structure with a well-defined lip, ridge, or nodules (the "scraper" or plectrum) being moved across a finely-ridged surface (the "file" or stridulitrum—sometimes called the pars stridens) or vice-versa, and vibrating as it does so, like the dragging of a phonograph needle across a vinyl record. Sometimes it is the st...

tchrist

02:31

Amazingly, a cup of Kopi Kuwak typically costs about $90. Or, you can pick up a pound of the beans for around $1,000. Just getting a cup of the coffee typically requires an appointment.

That’s what Stephen Fry gave Prince Charlie on his second wedding.

MετάEd

07:00

A good excuse to quote Monty Python:

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A: Is there a name for when the same word is used at the beginning and end of different phrases/sentences?

You are describing a variation on the classic rhetorical device anadiplosis, “the repetition of the last word (or phrase) from the previous line, clause, or sentence at the beginning of the next”.1 In your variation, anadiplosis is combined with ellipsis, “omission of a word or short phrase easil...

RegDwighт

09:03

@tchrist "Yahoo News: selling as news today what has been known to the world entire since the last millennium!"

Yahoo News, 8 hours ago: "Coffee snobs can now take it to a whole new level. The world’s most expensive cup of coffee is made from beans that are extracted from the excrement of a small animal."

Frigging Wikipedia, for crying out loud: "During the era of Cultuurstelsel (1830—1870), the Dutch prohibited the native farmers and plantation workers from picking coffee fruits for their own use. [...] Soon, the natives learned that certain species of musang or luwak consumed the coffee fruits, yet they left the coffee seeds undigested in their droppings. The natives collected these luwaks' coffee seed droppings, then cleaned, roasted and ground them to make their own coffee beverage."

Cerberus

11:30

Odd.

RegDwighт

12:07

So the whole site is down now or what?

I was just reading the DMCA takedown thread.

Looks like now they've taken down the babby and the bathwater.

David Wallace

@RegDwighт So the Dutch are to blame for all the overpriced shit?

Matt Эллен

12:31

How bathwater forms?

KitFox

Hullo.

Matt Эллен

Halloo

I might have just taken delivery of a shiny new laptop. No relation

RegDwighт

I just spake English for the first time in ages. On the phone. To an American woman with Rockwell Collins. The funny part was I had more trouble understanding her than the other way round.

Matt Эллен

was it her Texan drawl?

KitFox

He said English, not Texan.

Matt Эллен

12:36

:D

Was it her New England drawl?

KitFox

I don't drawl, silly.

RegDwighт

I've no idea what drawl it was.

KitFox

Probably Southern. They can be really hard to understand.

It was tough working the drive-thru down there.

"Did you say fries or Sprite?"

I said that a lot before I learned to just give them whatever.

RegDwighт

Well, to be fair, both fries and Sprite consist of 99% whatever.

KitFox

And salt.

RegDwighт

12:39

That's the 1%.

KitFox

I know. That's why I added it.

RegDwighт

You rebel.

KitFox

No, yankee.

Oh.

RegDwighт

As long as it's not Tampa Bay Buccaneer...

KitFox

And I'm sure your English is very clear and pretty.

@RegDwighт Like you would even know.

RegDwighт

12:40

I couldn't remember half the words. So I just used some other halves. In random order.

Matt Эллен

that's what I do

KitFox

I thought your English were impeccable.

Matt Эллен

so you work for Rockwell Collins! interesting.

KitFox

It's hardly an secret.

I was just trolling Reg just this morning.

On the phones.

Matt Эллен

oh! the phones.

KitFox

12:43

My avatar is making me feel sleepy. I think I should change.

Matt Эллен

or go to sleep

KitFox

Whoa. Wordpress changed its interface.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт did the lady's name rhyme with "fit cox"?

David Wallace

Oh that has happened to me!

Matt Эллен

you went to sleep? Or you changed your interface? Or you rhyme with "fit cox"?

David Wallace

12:47

Actually, no, my apologies. Something entirely different happened to me. Never mind. I should go to bed. Or somewhere. Bye all.

Matt Эллен

oh

RegDwighт

@MattЭллен no, with "bin cherry".

KitFox

Lynn Perry? I know her!

Matt Эллен

Ah, but how well? apparently she's selling secrets to Germany

Or Russia, maybe

Or LEGO

RegDwighт

Why take the NSA detour if you can have the shortcut.

Just sell everything to me, directly, for free. 24/7.

Matt Эллен

12:52

:D

KitFox

Wrong window.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

Guys

KitFox

Guy

O0oO0oOO0ooO

I have too many friends on Facebook who has no other friends apart from me

KitFox

Unfriend them. Immediately.

Matt Эллен

13:05

make them lonely

or maybe just spur them into finding friends

O0oO0oOO0ooO

they often post weird quotes like "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.", I think these quotes reflect what just happened to him in real life

And they make it harder to understand their analogy

@KitFox I am in similar situation so I cannot easily unfriend them

then I will become like one of them

KitFox

Well, then maybe you should put the social media down slowly, and back away from the intertubes.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

One friend sent me a video message on Skype and he was just staring at his camera for 5 seconds

Matt Эллен

sounds like the film The Ring

RegDwighт

Which into Russian has been translated as "The Call".

Someone didn't bother wathing the movie, or taking the first meaning from the dictionary.

Matt Эллен

13:16

:D

like calling "star wars" "celebrity battle"

RegDwighт

Then again, a call is sort of somewhat central to the story of The Ring.

Perhaps someone was just dumb.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

Does anyone else have an elder brother that you really hate

and want to beat him in just about everything?

Matt Эллен

No. I'm the eldest.

Mitch

I got a phone call once.

Matt Эллен

chilling!

Mitch

13:19

and there was a ring.

Matt Эллен

proposal?

Mitch

and I picked it up.

Matt Эллен

An put it on?

Mitch

the phone call...which was ringing.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

My elder brother wanted me to respect him all the time when I was young and punished me by punching me or slapping me whenever I disrespected him in some way

Matt Эллен

13:21

did it work?

Mitch

and someone was there....on the phone.

KitFox

@O0oO0oOO0ooO Well, your parents suck, huh?

O0oO0oOO0ooO

But that skinny little cunt cannot hurt me any more because I can crush his balls

Matt Эллен

@Mitch sat on your phone?

Mitch

@O0oO0oOO0ooO that doesn't sound like respect.

Anyway back to my story.

no, no, not sat on it, their voice was coming through the phone... and...

Matt Эллен

13:22

oh, so they rang you

I see

Mitch

OK..someone else take it from here.

who was on the other end?

Matt Эллен

was it you?

were you on the other end?

RegDwighт

Sit on my phone and tell me that you love me.

Mitch

OK...let's run with that...

RegDwighт

"Luke! I am three years older than you!"

Mitch

13:25

So I got off the phone, wiped it off with the phone-wiping-towel, and...

Oh, hyes, it was me on the other end. I had butt dialed myself.

Matt Эллен

"Nuh uh, Darth. Mum says it's only two and three quarters."

RegDwighт

Then, suddenly a flash of light appeared in the sky and a flaming meteor plummeted to the earth.

Fin.

Matt Эллен

Mitch

I think there's more after that. Mostly volcanoes and such, but that's something.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

I would like to offer him some sandwiches because he is so skinny like a pencil

Mitch

13:27

and then when he's in the middle of eating it, punch him in the gut, to make him respect you?

O0oO0oOO0ooO

In addition to that, he is scared to goto army

KitFox

Sounds like someone needs some therapy.

Mitch

I don't have the guts to go to army in Korea.

RegDwighт

Even Kim Jong-un doesn't have the guts to go to army in Korea.

Matt Эллен

@O0oO0oOO0ooO not goto, join the.

Mitch

13:29

@KitFox You mean someone who has an older brother? You should see the guy that has a younger brother. He's totally messed up. Every time he eats a sandwich his younger brother comes out of no where and punches him in the gut.

...if he's lucky. On bad days he gets his balls crushed.

RegDwighт

Jun 28 '12 at 15:03, by RegDwight ΒВB

Yvan eht nioj!

KitFox

@O0oO0oOO0ooO Your brother was a bully because your parents are terrible and he didn't know how to behave properly. You would have done the same in his place.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт that's a great song

Mitch

@MattЭллен no, no not 'join', you meant the nether regions of a persons anatomy.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch nay, nay. not groin. You meant that Biritsh Cricketer.

RegDwighт

13:31

Loire?

Matt Эллен

maybe

KitFox

La Loire.

RegDwighт

La dee da.

KitFox

Stupid printer is almost out of toner. I wish we had an admin.

sulks

RegDwighт

Biritsh Cricketer sounds like Borshch Cricketer.

Matt Эллен

13:33

you need a stationery manager

O0oO0oOO0ooO

It's funny he chose to work at a museum so he's never going to get sun burns and never have to use his muscles

Mitch

english.stackexchange.com/a/114626/4972

O0oO0oOO0ooO

When I meet him again I am going to ask him first "Do you even lift?"

Matt Эллен

are you suggesting that sunch is a meal?

Mitch

@Kit the least you could do when moving over was to fix the spelling on 'supper'. You'breaking my eyes with that!

RegDwighт

13:34

@O0oO0oOO0ooO Stoya got asked that in an interview the other day and she had no idea what that meant. Neither did I. Neither do I.

KitFox

@Mitch Fine.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт do you even lift?

Mitch

@MattЭллен I'm suggesting that 'super' is not a meal, and I blame Kit for it.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch if happy is a meal, why not super?

RegDwighт

OIC it was O0o who posted the video in the first place.

Mitch

13:35

@RegDwighт It means 'do you lift?' If you don't, you have to lean over real far to brush your teeth.

RegDwighт

It's a conspiracy.

Jun 15 at 10:35, by O0oO0oOO0ooO

►

KitFox

It's not enough to delete the garbage, now he wants it to be clean first.

Matt Эллен

yes. a very small conspiracy

Mitch

@MattЭллен I have 'happy' at every meal.

Matt Эллен

!!

Caprica Six

13:36

@MattЭллен That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

Mitch

@KitFox What? you don't clean your garbage before throwing it away? I mean the garbage men have to pick up that stuff. Hav eyou no shame?

KitFox

@O0o You need to let go of that anger and resentment before it kills you.

Mitch

@CapricaSix @CapricaSix Really? Do you mind? pay attention.

@KitFox or the brother with all that stomach punching an ball crushing. That's gotta hurt.

Hey @KitFox, can you !!/teach Caprica to interpret '!!' ? That is kil off '!!' be redefining it?

you know like...

KitFox

Uh. I don't think so.

Mitch

!!/teach !! @react in a surprised manner

Matt Эллен

13:39

!!poop

Caprica Six

@Mitch That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.
@MattЭллен That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

Mitch

Then when someone tries to invoke !! it'll be all broken.

Carpica is dumb.

KitFox

You can talk to @zirak (her creator) about it.

Matt Эллен

!!/!!

Caprica Six

@MattЭллен That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

Mitch

13:39

Also can't spell.

KitFox

I like her. You lay off.

Mitch

And then if we use backreferences in comments, we could force chat to become boundedly Turing complete.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

@KitFox ok

Mitch

@MattЭллен Ooohhhhh. Now I get it. I was kind of thrown by the orca jumping out of the water picture.

Matt Эллен

Yay!

KitFox

13:42

Oh!

Now I get it.

Matt Эллен

quite often I'm misinterpreted as crazy

KitFox

Hey, my little son's birthday is Friday!

Matt Эллен

woo!

oh :D excellent

O0oO0oOO0ooO

Do you call this "Wafer" or "Wafer cookie"?

KitFox

Sugar wafer.

Matt Эллен

13:43

wafer

KitFox

Mmm.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

oh

KitFox

I love those things.

Matt Эллен

we put them in icecream

O0oO0oOO0ooO

Why can't it be "wafer cookie"?

KitFox

13:45

Could be, I guess. Cookies are solider usually.

Matt Эллен

@O0oO0oOO0ooO you misunderstand language

O0oO0oOO0ooO

oh

@MattЭллен ok

Matt Эллен

call it as you please!

but to most people wafer is sufficient.

you can call it scarred pet but noöne would know what you meant

KitFox

I think I might order Thai food today.

pats down clothes looking for monies

Matt Эллен

I'e got a fiver I can lend you, but I need it for lunch tomorrow

O0oO0oOO0ooO

13:50

Is it tough to work 100 hours a week?

KitFox

@MattЭллен Thanks, but I've just found a twenty squirreled away.

@O0oO0oOO0ooO When would you sleep?

O0oO0oOO0ooO

There are 68 hours left to sleep

Matt Эллен

@O0oO0oOO0ooO I've never tried. it sounds horrendous

KitFox

That's like 9 hours a day to bathe, eat, sleep, do chores, and shop.

That's not smart.

Matt Эллен

aye

KitFox

13:53

Don't know why someone would work like that unless they had to.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

I'm only 21 so I think I can give it a try

Matt Эллен

I'd burn out pretty quickly if I did that

@O0oO0oOO0ooO what will you achieve with these hours of work?

KitFox

@O0oO0oOO0ooO You should have a good plan for time management and a goal for saving the money you make.

Otherwise, you'll burn yourself out and get fat and sick for nothing.

Don't work like that for your mom. She let your brother beat the shit out of you while you were growing up.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

right

KitFox

Save up for something worthwhile, or don't do it.

Speaking of, I think I will get my little one an Iron Man costume for his birthday.

Matt Эллен

14:01

coool

KitFox

His brother picked out a set of 6 little dart guns that they could play with together.

Matt Эллен

awww. nice

KitFox

He's also getting a Pony and a tee-ball set and a bug vacuum and a game for the Leapster and a Leapster if Gramma's friend can find their old one.

Pretty sweet haul, if you ask me.

Matt Эллен

yeah.

he'll be stoked

KitFox

I think I'll buy the full version of Angry Birds Star Wars for him too. It's like $3.

Matt Эллен

14:06

nice

O0oO0oOO0ooO

sick

KitFox

It's my birthday soon too, and my MiL has been asking me what I want.

Matt Эллен

what are you thinking of saying?

O0oO0oOO0ooO

BTW, you should be aware of smartphone addiction

Smartphone addiction

Smartphone addiction is an addiction that can be destructive to social lives outside of mobile devices, including smartphones. Although it is not an official addiction, it is now prevalent worldwide, as it causes trauma and anxiety, among other symptoms. General Effect of Modern Communication Addiction and dependency on the most sophisticated of communication systems (computers, tablets, and smart phone) decreases academic performance, face to face communication, social relations, causes psychological problems, and sometimes results in death. According to Dolan, “Addiction specialist M...

KitFox

@MattЭллен I'm thinking what I want is for her to stop asking me what I want.

Matt Эллен

14:08

Dordogne! not Borboyne. silly brain

@KitFox ah

KitFox

I have a love-hate relationship with my birthday.

Matt Эллен

I tend to ask the SO of my recipient what I should buy. I like to surprise people.

KitFox

Really? I thought you tended to ask me.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox I see. you like the attention but don't like...

KitFox

frowns with disappointment

Matt Эллен

14:10

@KitFox oh, yeah, that too :D

but that's because the SO doesn't tend to get back to me in time

KitFox

@MattЭллен that I never really get it.

@MattЭллен Must be that you're a relationship threat then.

And the SO is stalling.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox lol. nah. my friends are just slow at responding and I'm always buying last minute

KitFox

Eh, well.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox :(

KitFox

It's fine. It really is. My birthday is right next to a big holiday, and I don't really care that much now that I have kids.

Matt Эллен

14:14

skeptical eyebrow raise

KitFox

The thing that bugs me most is that I get this "hey, let's do something special" from family and then they don't.

Matt Эллен

that's annoying

KitFox

I'm carrying some resentment there, I can feel it.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

Oh, that teach me a lesson

Zirak

@Mitch So you want the bare !! to be ignored (which is fair), or designed to give a better message?

KitFox

14:15

My 30th birthday, my brothers got together and the eldest brought his new girlfriend. He'd recently separated from his wife, and this girlfriend I knew from high school. I was nice to her, but they wanted drama or something. Anyway, it sucked.

Matt Эллен

why did it suck?

KitFox

phone meeting bbl

Matt Эллен

CU

O0oO0oOO0ooO

I figured western people don't understand the above comic

because it's about asian parenting

Matt Эллен

the message is quite clear and written in English.

trust me, we get it.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

14:20

Dude in the comic sucks because he got his first job when he is about age 28~30

I can assume his age because he has some minor wrinkles on his face

Matt Эллен

The guy in the comic sucks because he takes his mother for granted

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The mother in the comic failed to properly raise her son

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

14:36

Everybody wants a box of chocolates and a long stemmed rose

Matt Эллен

s/long stemmed rose/potato/

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@O0oO0oOO0ooO maybe wafer sandwich. Wait, is that the kind with creme in the middle?

O0oO0oOO0ooO

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I agree that

Matt Эллен

@Mitch your "needle in a haystack" comment should be an answer. It's the first thing I thought of.

Jez

news.uk.msn.com/trending-blog/…

> A Labour councillor has claimed he fathered a child with an alien - and he has sexual relations with the extra-terrestrial about four times a year.

> Simon Parkes, a 53-year-old driving instructor and married father-of-three who sits on Whitby Town Council, said his wife was ‘very unhappy’ with the revelation.

> He added: ‘But it is not on a human level, so I don’t see it as wrong.'

o.O

Matt Эллен

14:49

w t actual f?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:00

lol

so either he's unfaithful AND having sex outside his species, both of which would be a huge shock to any typical marriage, or he's delusional, or he's making it up for some inexplicable reason. Which is worse?

Reminds me of the scene in Ghostbusters when Egon says to Pete that Dana, who saw a monster in her fridge, "is telling the truth. At least, she thinks she's telling the truth." To which she replies "so either I'm crazy or I have a monster in my ice box."

Jez

he's like "the trouble with having a story you can't prove and that sounds like total bullshit is that no-one believes you"

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Jez haha yeah. That's the trouble, alright.

geez and he's some kind of politician.

KitFox

15:43

That was a fun hour and a half on the phone.

But now I've missed ordering lunch so I'm going to have to beat feet. bbl again

Matt Эллен

bai!

Mitch

@Zirak ha ha no, I want to know the rules, so that I can troll the system, either redefine !! to make it act like a Y-combinator. I don't want it to change necessarily (I'm not asking you to modify it), I just want to see if we can abuse its powers.

@MattЭллен hm...yeah. I've gotten in the habit of answering in comments because making a full answer out of it is time consuming, and frankly some questions just bug me in the exposition, so I don't feel like answering for serious.

@MattЭллен mmmm... potato with melted chocolate..mmmm.

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