@xcx Those sound good.

Okay, have to go, bay!

Scam is the word.

Arnaque nigériane.

That's not Nigerian swindling.

But a Nigerian swindle...

I thought you had gone.

I didn't even get the chance to say bye.

is gone

financial sofwares/ products are scams

Tot ziens.

Bye!

they cost you an arm

poof

by

@xcx there is no such thing as softwares. That word does not exist.

@xcx yes, software.

Not softwares.

Someone who speaks French should be more than aware how crucial a single S can be.

urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ripoff

@RegDwighт a piece of pieces of sofware

uncountable shit

Guys, let's say

you are a great programmer and built a compiler. However, the language literally sucks so I need to fix the source code. Would you be mad at me?

I mean I am just "extending" new features to the compiler right?

let's play guess the place

A university.

what location though

Somewhere near the water.

heh

Rotaries. Pools. Someplace hot.

Italy, maybe.

lukewarm

The roofs look like somewhere along the Mediterranean.

it's definitely not in Europe right?

wrong

Me or him?

right, so it's Australia

him

me

anyways, it's australia and I win! =D Yes!

lol no it isnt, though they speak the same language

Maybe Barcelona?

Oh.

barcelona's close

france?

Gibraltar?

gibraltar

TIL they speak the same language in Spain, France, and Australia.

TIL?

what the fuck is wtf?

@Cerberus My answer is in DP's answer

> Even if what happened felt good to her, she was too young to participate willingly or give consent.

> The resource cannot be found. Description: HTTP 404. The resource you are looking for (or one of its dependencies) could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. Please review the following URL and make sure that it is spelled correctly.

Anybody want to exploit this website?

exploit?

is it old enough to consent?

Haha.

It is old enough to have remote errors on.

I should not have access to any page that says "Server Error in '/' Application."

I'm pretty sure.

That reminds me, apparently I have that issue on one of my sites.

If there're remote errors on the field, play ball.

I was going to fix that.

God I hate that expression.

lol

my coworker used to say it

It feels pretty disgusting.

I guess because I remember how young I was.

he was a bit odd. He drove a black pickup truck with pink flames on it. He even kept a photo of his truck in his wallet. But he was otherwise a jock/redneck in every way.

@KitFox yeah it's not a good metric to use :)

So I need to find office furniture and also get some data for the project lead and also write some development notes.

I'm having trouble focusing on these tasks today.

just do them one at a time. 1. steal office furniture from your boss's office. 2. dd if=/dev/random of=/home/kitfox/test.dat bs=1024 count=1024. 3. don't bother, nobody will read them.

I need to read them.

The random data might work.

Can you believe that I have to actually figure out how to order a desk all by myself?

What kind of place is this?

When I was a mere secretary, an agent came to figure out my desk needs.

@Kit New job?

No, they just want to tease me with the possibility of providing me with an acceptable work environment.

Ah.

I hope it goes well.

I guess I don't want a "computer desk/workstation" but rather just a "desk."

Silly me.

are you ordering it from the school, or from an office-supply place?

WB Mason or Creative Office Pavilion are my options, according to the woman who orders the stuff but has demonstrated repeatedly in the past that she doesn't know her ass from her elbow.

I am debating calling Purchasing to see if Rick still works there. He's probably retired by now though.

Rick would have talked me through it back in the day.

so those are supply shops. maybe they have someone who can help you.

choosing a desk is hard. I'm surprised your workplace doesn't have a procedure for it.

Yeah, I guess. I really want someone that I can tell what I want and they will give me pictures and say "This? or this?"

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 There probably is one. I bet this woman just doesn't know it.

ideally someone who actually knows something about ergonomics.

because get the wrong desk and 6 months from now you could have problems.

my desk of choice is usually a flat table.

The most annoying part is that I will go through all this effort to get a quote and then they will say no.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I like an arc.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Same here. I need room for a laptop, a cup of coffee, and several other things, all on a flat surface.

@KitFox concave or convex?

Right now I have two desks shoved together at right angles.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Depends on which side I'm on.

@KitFox yeah, if I worked in a corner, I guess I'd want something similar.

or if I was in an office and wanted to face a door.

Well, that's just it. I can't stand to not face the door.

wait. if I had an office Id' get something bigger and fancier.

yeah, doors are weak against angles

My office is not big or fancy.

filing cabinet. bookcase. whiteboard. large, flat surface for work. large flat surface for lego. photo of kids. cup warmer.

My school is trying to "cut down on paper" and yet the man who has been here in my real maths teacher's stead for the last month has given us several hundred pieces of paper each.

I have two little ones, but I use them for not filing stuff.

Except for leave reports and some misc documentation.

@KitFox why would you file things in your children? Or with them?

Haha.

I use my children for not filing stuff too. they're terrible at it.

I'm trying to upload a picture. It's being crotchety.

@MattЭллен That's where my mind went as well, haha.

:D

they're getting better at putting the lego back where daddy wants it though.

I suppose kids are useful place to keep partial DNA backups

you know, in case you lose your DNA

it's a bitch trying to restore from those backups though.

I can't imagine!

You must be doing it wrong.

anyway kit, I have to resist the urge to visit websites for those office places and desk shop. my unit tests aren't writing themselves :)

Wow, my Bluetooth is picking up my tester's laptop.

how far away is the latop?

I was just trying to figure that.

Probably 15 feet through two concrete block walls.

!!

@MattЭллен Y U NO MAEK SENSE!? Could not understand ``

that's some strong blue tooth

I know, right?

UNLESS!

quick, look behind you!

Maybe she has a secret spy device that I've just now discovered!

it's been enhanced by the cosmic microwave background radiation

constructive interference

that'd be my first guess

gods, the universe is such a prick, always on its bluetooth

@KitFox she's bugging your office, looking for evidence of your eugenic experiments?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yeah. it looks like it's talking to itself.

I think she just wants to spy on me while I masturbate.

good call

@KitFox who doesn't!?

@KitFox heh, i remember i saw such an error on PlentyOfFish one time

i always wondered how that piece of crap didn't get hacked

it gave the full path to the file and everything

@KitFox You hate the expression "I was going to fix that"? Hm... notes to not use that expression

For the love of all things holy, this should not be so difficult.

@Mitch but what will you say when someone points out something that needs fixing that you intended to fix but haven't yet?

@Mahnax Thnk of how bad it would have been if he wasn't cutting back.

@MattЭллен OK, wait. I'll download it.

@KitFox apparently I have to sign into yahoo

ok

@MattЭллен I'd punch them...gets the same point across.

OK, I already hate Flickr.

@KitFox She's replying to messages in the future! She's a witch! BURN HER!

nice desks

Bloody hell.

And now I've successfully connected my google account to Yahoo!

Fuck.

@MattЭллен Thank you.

no trouble!

That's the "Be Kind" post-it on the left there.

aww

And the coffee cup my MiL gave me for Christmas.

Because she knows what I like.

@KitFox Shit. I don't have one. looks up how to spell 'kind', and what it means

coffee and cups

And earthenware pottery.

Wait...Matt has a picture of Kit's desktop? looks over shoulder

I see scribbles notes

It's got a great feel.

Anyway, you can see that this setup is less than ideal.

For instance, it doesn't have any lunch on it.

terrible state of affairs!

What...two eye-poppingly humongous screens...no dust... what else could you want?

Oh, right, lunch. Good point.

You can't see the dust?

I guess it's too blurry.

But. Food. brb

I like to see how long I can let the dust collect. Nostalgia for an earlier time. Don't want to disturb things.

@Mitch Dust is nature's way to protect your furniture.

protect it from what?

who in the UK has the rights to Roland Garros?

what natural predators does office furniture have?

probably Eurosport

@Jez itv.com/frenchopen

haha, oops. I felt like also posting a photo of my desk and while checking for private papers I didn't want to share I found a tax bill that needs paying.

oh! good point. I need to pay council tax

bai

It's not my fault. Electronics attract dust.

> Desking, Tables, and Furniture

What?

Desking?

Stuff you can desk with?

@MattЭллен Dangerous solar radiation.

@MattЭллен ah nice. of course the match will be over by the time the ads are

@MattЭллен The natural predator of dust is dust mites.

@KitFox Desk that!

so I've cleaned my desk and filed all my papers and even stuck that alarm company sticker on the window, so now my desk is clear again. yay! What? work? my job? oh yeah.

Dust bunnies. Fear the dust bunnies.

Is this something we want?

@MετάEd Girl Genius! It was you!

@KitFox What was me?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How is this different from my "the relative should not have done what she did"? That is not my point. My point is that all the drama later makes something into a problem that wasn't one before. You make people feel tainted. Harsh as it may sound, there is some connection to the way raped girls are cast out by their communities: you create an aura of taboo around someone, make her feel bad and weird. That should only be done if there is no other option. Don't you agree?

@Cerberus Let's say you are an innocent child, and a man walks up to you and smiles at you, then takes all your candy, but makes you laugh as he walks away with it. Years later someone explains to you that you were robbed. Shouldn't you feel bad that you were robbed, now that you're old enough to understand it?

And I don't think this is comparable to casting out rape victims. That is victim blaming and is a totally different problem.

In this case, a child was "raped" (scare quotes because it was "consensual", i.e. she thought she wanted it). So let's call it statutory rape. Should statutory rape not be a crime?

Explaining to someone that what they thought was okay is not actually okay is not a bad thing IMO.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How does it help me to "realise" that I was robbed? What good does it do? There would have to be some good, or else it isn't worth the ordeal this girl is going through now for feeling she's "taboo" and being harassed by her boyfriend, who thinks she has a "problem".

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's different, of course. But isn't there some similarity? In both cases, you cast a shadow of abnormality on someone, and you tell her she has a problem. You make her feel bad.

@Cerberus 1. She DOES have a problem. 2. I think there is intrinsic benefit in knowing when people are doing bad things to you. 3. she should not feel taboo. That is a separate problem. 4. Her denial of this problem can legitimately be considered a problem.

@Cerberus sometimes people need to feel bad about bad things.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 "Should statutory rape not be a crime?" Why do you keep talking about this? I've already said twice that the older woman was in the wrong. That's not the point. The point is, how do you deal with it?, and I was talking about the way the boyfriend dealt with it in this particular situation.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why is it a problem? Why aren't you just creating or at least magnifying the problem?

@Cerberus So telling someone they've been statutory-raped is wrong then? I don't follow.

And how can you not feel taboo when people start telling you you have a big problem and you were tainted?

@Cerberus not creating the problem shining light on the problem.

@Cerberus "tainted"? that's BS.

anyway I have to run. be back later.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 As I said, only if there is a real, proven benefit to doing so. What's the benefit here?

@MετάEd You who started me down the path to darkness.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 She said she didn't have a problem. How is that a problem?

@KitFox I'd like to take credit for something like that -- I suppose it's even possible.

OK bai.

OK, how about this example. As a girl, your neighbor helped you kill a toddler and hide the body. Your neighbor told you this was fine and you didn't know the kid so you didn't feel bad about it. Now as an adult, your boyfriend is freaked out 1. that you committed murder and 2. you think it isn't really any big deal.

@KitFox Yeah, that would be terrible. But consider this.

What's the harm done in your example? The toddler was killed. Is this harm in some way subjective? Could you say that perhaps it was only terrible if someone experienced or experiences it as such, and that in this case it seems likely nobody involved feels that way? A person died. His or her parents were severely traumatised and hurt. That's at least two parties of which we can have 99.9 % certainty that they did in fact experience great harm from the deed.

The second question: should the past be left alone, because it has already happened? You could say, real harm was done, so the perpetrator(s) should be punished: that would be reason enough to do something.

Or you could say: the fact that the girl felt it was OK to kill a toddler when she was 3 is perhaps remotely understandable if pressured by an adult; however, the fact that she still thinks it is no big deal to cause great harm to people is seriously concerning either way.

@KitFox We're still talking about Girl Genius, obviously.

But that there was great and unmistakable harm is the central fact around which this entire situation revolves. If the toddler was not killed but merely, say, made to steal € 10 from his parents, the entire problem becomes much less serious. Then it might not be worth exploring the issue years later.

So is "my older relative touched me and I liked it then, and I don't think it is a problem now" comparable to "I was killed and my parents traumatised"?

It's circular reasoning: it is a problem because it has seriously harmed the girl, and, if she doesn't think she was harmed, then her lack of understanding constitutes harm.

@Cerberus "My older relative is a sexual predator, but that's OK because it didn't bother me when I was victimized."

It's not about her feeling harm. It's about her understanding that it is wrong.

I repeat my position: you should never touch children, but making a huge deal out of it later may cause more harm than it does good.

@KitFox Isn't it better to move on?