Erik and In...uh, I seem to have forgotten her name. Something like Inga, but not.

@WillHunting Hey! Still here, eh? Good.

@Cerberus Is that where you live?

What is the cost for heating the place?

@WillHunting hello!

@MattЭллен It's Oslo.

@JohanLarsson Hard to say. He stokes the fire with stacks of hundred dollar bills.

One of the few pictures I could find that weren't ugly.

@Cerberus it is very nice

Yeah looks nice, huh.

@Cerberus Oslo is really nice imo, not too big either. Have only been there as a tourist though.

but pretty expensive, I have a friend who lives there they went to a posh bar with work where they were selling 28$ beers

Whoa.

Lunchtime for me. Later!

CU

@JohanLarsson Haha, really? That's pretty insane.

Huge beers, I presume?

As in a litre?

A pint?

yeah he did not get very drunk he told me. But that was insane even for Oslo i think.

pint I think, have to check with him if you want more accuracy

haha

Hm, close reason here?

Hmm so a pint is half a litre?

No.

That would probably cost € 8 here in a very expensive club.

A pint is half a quart, not half a liter.

@Cerberus yes, gonna try and look for the sms. Think he sent and sms from the bar.

Certainly not $ 28.

macbook# units brpint liter
	* 0.56826241
	/ 1.7597504
macbook# units pint liter
	* 0.47317647
	/ 2.1133764

> The imperial pint (568 mL) is used in the United Kingdom and Ireland and to some extent in other Commonwealth nations. There are two customary pints used in the United States: a liquid pint (473 mL) and a less-common dry pint (551 mL)

Beacha.

So half a litre.

Far too expensive.

No.

Then again, a small bottle of water is € 6 or so in Paris.

So their profit margin is even huger.

Why would one buy a bottle of water? Is the tap broken?

It’s a racket to sell water by the bottle.

Use your sink.

Because one is crazy or isn't anywhere near a tap.

use your noggin

Still sounds like a racket.

No dice, did not find the sms, checking facebook later

If you're far from your hotel and in a touristy area, and it's hot...

Or if they put chlorine in the tap water.

I have an issue with bottled water at any price, in countries where tap water is drinkable.

They do that in some areas in Italy and France.

then you should bring along at least six half litre bottles of tap water! plan ahead! It only weights 1g per ml

1g? That's not much.

I can lift that.

@JohanLarsson Of course.

yep. 1 litre weighs 1kg

That's too much.

@Cerberus So what?

?

i love the Penn & Teller episode where they filled a bunch of bottles with the same tap water and people were saying they could taste the difference. such a testament to our ability to delude ourselves.

gtg

CU @JohanLarsson

@Jez hahahaha. yeah, I can imagine

@JohanLarsson Agreed. And I have an issue with places where the public water supply is not safe to drink: third-world nations are a pain in the ass.

@MattЭллен don't hesitate to ask for help if you want to try and find something in Norway.

@JohanLarsson Will do :)

@Jez Our? Speak for yourself.

You should never forget how stupid the average person is and how smart we are.

@Jez Really. Bottled water is a scam.

There are also many places where the tap water is drinkable, but it doesn't taste as good as at home.

Has to do with more or fewer metal ions and stuff.

stuff, but not things?

Never!!

We tried that, but they refused to fit through the pipes.

:D

stuff got stuck in the tubes

I know, there is no justice.

it's true

Justice isn't blind, it's nonexistent!

Aquafina - the end of water as we know it

@Jez lol

@MattЭллен Well, we humans do what we can.

Aquafina?

so good the cows want it back

Oh, a brand...

Splashy, eh? Eh? waggles eyebrows

you've really whetted my appetite

Oh you.

@tchrist environment being the main issue, expensive not an issue at all imo.

Yay, a new ident card for me!

And pastrami.

2/2

pastrayou!

bwa

@JohanLarsson You don’t consider a 900,000% markup to be a price issue?

Or whatever the insane number is.

Something like that.

> Americans spent more money last year on bottled water than on ipods or movie tickets: $15 Billion.

Scam scam scam.

Capitalism...

People are stupid.

Hi

Capitalists and communists.

Not you.

I have a question and I need some answers

Eek, that’s 2006 data.

From here.

It has become much much much worse since then.

@Noah Yes. No. Maybe.

@Noah the butler did it

@Noah By next Friday at the earliest. Cherry-flavored. Umberto Eco.

In this article you learn how to make an interactive presentation using MS Powerpoint- a presentation software from Microsoft.

@KitFox

Is the last part okay?

@tchrist Yes will work.

@Cerberus

software is uncountable. no article required

or desired

Also you seem to have a weird hyphen.

It should be a comma.

@MattЭллен You serious, there's a whooping number of people using a with software.

@Noah but they are all from India

@tchrist Okay

nothing wrong with saying "a software" in India

I couldn't agree more.

but in Standard English (whatever that may be) you write presentation software not *a presentation software

Indeed.

So, it should read: ... using MS Powerpoint, presentation software from Microsoft.

yes :)

It should be 'in this article you will learn', no?

@MattЭллен You are right. It's a mass noun. Nice catch.

no probs :)

@WendiKidd I think both are okay.

Maybe we should ask this from @tchrist

@Noah Yeah, I'm betting he'd know :)

He is always in favor of present simple.

It's the thought that counts.

@WendiKidd Whuh?

Ah, well. I don't know. I'm not saying I'm positive it's incorrect, just that it doesn't sound right to me. "In this article you learn" doesn't sound right. I can't put my finger on why.

@tchrist Should it be "In this article you learn..." or "In this article you will learn..."?

Oh, that is certainly a superfluous will.

But so is the how superfluous.

It’s just loose writing, too many words.

It sounds like a marketing bulletin.

Hmm, okay. I stand corrected then :)

It isn’t a correction. It is a preference.

Yeah. I think "you learn" sounds like a command, to me. It's not, in context, but it comes across that way. So that might be why it sounds better to me with the 'will'.

@WendiKidd Stand corrected?

@Noah Hm?

Which one is better?

This article teaches you how to make an interactive presentation (what does that even mean?) with Microsoft Powerpoint.

@tchrist Yes, I was about to say 'teach' was better than 'learn' as well :)

@tchrist confused

Even there the how is not strictly necessary.

Yep.

@Noah About what?

The article teaches.

(what does that even mean?)

I don’t know how audience participation figures into a canned presentation.

Seems strange. Are they at those seats with little yes/no buttons like in big auditoriums?

You can add buttons that leap to specific slides.

I think by interactive he means that the person doing the presentation interacts with the powerpoint to make stuffz happen.

Oh.

Well, even hyperlinks do that. We are not impressed. :)

@tchrist No, it's about computer based presentations where you interact with PowerPoint.

@tchrist I dont like it, but I am stuck with it and I have to finish it.

So here is the revised version:

byeee

@MattЭллен Byee!

The article teaches you to make an interactive powerpoint presetnation with MS powroint, presentation software from Microsoft

@MattЭллен Thanks, and bye

@Noah Uh no.

Keep trying.

@KitFox That's what tchrist said

It's redundant.

Is this the intro to the article? (We were correcting your grammar @Noah, I think KitFox is trying to make it more interesting?)

yea

Hmm okay then. What's the audience again? Students right?

The article teaches you to make an interactive presentation with MS PowerPoint, presentation software from Microsoft.

yea

And even so, the "presentation" is redundant.

So is saying Microsoft twice. :)

The article teaches you to use Microsoft PowerPoint software to make an interactive presentation.

Okay. So maybe (not this but something along the lines of) "Want to add some pizzaz to your next presentation? Read on to learn how to use Microsoft Powerpoint to make a lasting impression."

Unless it's supposed to be technical and start with "this article". Who knows shrug :)

@WendiKidd That sounds interesting, but they dont want me to be funny.

@tchrist That was just for you!

@KitFox cool. What if i want to add a description for Powerpoint at the end?

@KitFox That, minus "software".

@Noah Gah! See, I try to be funny at times and fail... But now when I wasn't trying to be funny people think it's funny. See @Cerberus.... I told you this was my failing. ;) But no, I was trying to just think of a hook to make people read it. Something interesting to pull in attention. But if they don't want that then I'd go with what @KitFox said. Side note: if they've never heard of MS Powerpoint, you have other problems. (So I don't think you need to describe it)

@Noah Don't.

Okay, great.

Thank you guys.

np :)

@Cerberus He seemed to want the software in there.

And My Lady, @KitFox

nods

Okay.

It's just ugly and redundant.

I mean, what is "Powerpoint software"?

I would personally leave it and "Microsoft" out of the sentence. But it seemed important in the given examples.

Yeah, it doesn't sound right with the 'software'.

The article teaches you to use Microsoft PowerPoint to make an interactive presentation.

"Our company makes spreadsheet software and Powerpoint software".

yep! :)

that's great

@KitFox Agreed.

@Cerberus To distinguish it from PowerPoint printed slides.

@Noah Much better!

Or PowerPoint plushies.

Or PowerPoint window decals.

Huh.

@KitFox ...someone likes powerpoint? ;)

I'm just suggesting why software might be used in that context.

Powerpoint is the software.

Not everyone knows that possibly.

If they don't know that then the article isn't going to help them any, though.

You can use it to make slides or a presentation, so you would have a PPT slide or a PPT presentation.

(Plus these are HS students right? I'm pretty sure they're required to have used powerpoint before)

@WendiKidd Au contraire, ma soeur.

@WendiKidd Yeah

@WendiKidd And high school students are all Mac-based, aren't they?

Huh?

Never mind.

I am a Mac user, too.

Apple gives computers to K-12 schools and provides steep discounts to college students.

I use Apple Keynote

They gave iPads to an entire district downstate.

We dont have iPads.

@KitFox Interesting! I'm on a mac now but never once while I was in school (or seeing my brother in school now) has a mac been anywhere inside a school in this disctrict

It's all PCs, all the time

It's funny, because the entire backbone of scientific research and engineering is PC or Linux/Unix.

@KitFox Gives? For free?

Mac is also UNix based

Nothing is for free.

No?

Which is how, of course, Macs got their reputation as being the kind of thing that flighty English majors use.

@Cerberus Yes.

I see.

Wonder how they pick who gets em. Haven't heard of that happening around here

@Noah Yeah, it's the Little Tykes version of Unix.

Oh, so not every school gets them?

It's the iBookstore app that is making the headlines.

I am certain no schools get them here btw.

@WendiKidd Probably has something to do with rural designation.

= tax break

I think eventually they will. @Cerberus iPads make books alive.

It's like a book with videos in it.

Ipads make books fragile, expensive, and stealable.

Fragile, yes. Expensive, yes mostly. But stealable I don’t quite see.

Can’t any book be stolen?

Or having it in my bag, bumping into people and objects.

Books cannot be stolen, because they cannot be sold.

Books cannot be sold?

They aren't worth anything.

Hm.

Except some books, of course.

I don’t think that’s true.

Most books are worth very little.

You can always get at least 25% of the cover price.

We dont have them in our school. But in LA there are some schools where students are required to have ipads.

Too little to make it worth a thief's time to go through the trouble.

Now that is certainly true.

@tchrist Naaah.

Depends on their condition.

A thief won't bother to pick up a book lying on a bench somewhere, believe you me.

You said "always".

I myself dont like ipads, get eye strain from using one.

I remember when a bag full of library books was stolen from me in a café.

Every time I have sold books back to the used-book store, I get 25% of the cover price, and they then turn it around and sell it for 50% of the cover price.

@Cerberus Why, because you left your phone in the bag?

Took me a lot of time and effort to find replacements, and money too; the thief was probably equally unhappy.

I think new books are far cheaper in your country.

@WillHunting Send them to me

Even so, you won't always get 25 %.

They won’t buy them if they are in too bad shape, like missing a cover.

@WillHunting That's me.

lol

@tchrist Or when they aren't popular enough.

@tchrist I think Amazon has a return policy for used books

Like a treatise on Latin poetry.

@Cerberus Why would I ever sell that back to them? :)

Because you are a thief and you lack a proper education?

Not many thieves go out stealing because they are looking for books on Latin poetry, trust me.

@Noah You nearly always get much less for second-hand stuff through institutionalised channels: selling them yourself is nearly always better.

@Cerberus okay.

Thanks

Like on Craigslist.

Not that we use that site here.

@Cerberus Whoa whoa whoa....I think you just insulted thieves. You know what they say... furem fur cognoscit, et lupum lupus.

Wolves are noble animals.

Requesting review from the studio audience.

zomg

Why so many bad questions

I feel like he thinks I'm being a jerk. I'm trying to tell him why the question is NARQ.

@KitFox If it helps, you can link him to this ELL meta post. I know it's ELL but honestly it applies to all sites, and it's all english related, so... shrug

@KitFox it would take an essay to explain why it is hard to explain.

He thinks it is a simple enough question, that's the issue. Because in his mind, it is clear what he's asking.

@Mitch Yup, an essay which J.R. wrote in the meta post I linked ;) It's handy for us on ELL not to not have to use a comment to type it all out, but to be able to link it.

So he can't understand why I don't get it.

@KitFox Right. But if he doesn't explain why he wants to know, we can't actually understand his confusion and give a good answer.

It's hard to explain to people sometimes.

You know what I find hilarious about Apple?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

@KitFox two message back and forth are not enough to transfer this kind of vague knowledge.

People call them 'macs'. 'Mac' makes me think of a big, burly trucker, which is the opposite of what they want you to imagine.

@KitFox Meta post might help though, if you want to use it. I think J.R. explained it well.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 ha ha. no, what do you find funny about Apple.

oops, you just said what. What about 'Mac'....and cheese. Also funny.

@Mitch indeed.

or Mac Davis. That makes me think of Mac trucks too so maybe it doesn't count.

Mac the Knife.

@WendiKidd Oh, right. just read it. But people don't read.

Really.

Ooooh...I'd use a computer that was Mac the Knife.

as long as he was on my side.

@Mitch True, but.... At least we're trying. And you can't fit it all into a comment, so... Linking to a larger post is really the best we can do!

preaching to the choir, dude.

unless you a dudette.

@Mitch Da mihi furem litteratum et compungam.

Same to you bub!

What is compungam? does not sound nice. wait...google translating_

Does that work at all?

Let's make litter outta these literati!

Kitty litter?

no it doesn't work. I expect something like 'Give me a thief that can read and I'll give you an empty bank vault...or I'll give you an person who's not a thief. ...or I'll give you a retired bank teller... ha ha that's the one.

Haha.

I can't believe how much scrambling I've had to do in the last thirty minutes. Must be lunch break or something.

Not quite.

@Mitch I like the way you work through it until it gets done.

@KitFox people asking you to fix things? or answer questions that they could have figured out on their own?

@KitFox I thought you had pastrami.

"...and I will repent."

@Cerberus oh noes!

It's not that bad.

He probably likes it.

He doesn't look like he does.

It's probably cat food.

That's just for the picture.

Looks like sawdust

@Cerberus "Don't wrestle with a pig. You'll get dirty and the pig likes it." Are you calling a cat a pig?

looks like a shag rug.

that looks like sawdust

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I did. It was good.

@Mitch Both.

@tchrist Imo that is up to the buyer. I have no issue at all with what people buy for their money.

I can't decide between a turnkey sandwich and last night's pizza.

Stupid people.

with their question asking and problems that need fixing.

Turnkey?

Heh.

Yum! noms metal

Yeah, it's a sandwich you can buy and immediately eat.

@Mitch I was wondering.

Profit!

@Mitch Uhh OK!

Noted.

@KitFox hm.. maybe that would be 'turnkey coldcuts' is what they called it before they called it a sandwich.

@Cerberus Then you probably call a dog a cow. Which I think is insulting to both parties.

makes sandwich

How is this about verbs?

@Mitch Or mutually flattering.

Uhh. Cause "restore" "replace" (and "create" and "drop") happen to be verbs, and happen to be in the question? ;)

@KitFox really? you're not thinking through things. it's so obvious.

there's a verb in the question.

(Also because people don't know how to tag. There's that.)

@Cerberus You dog!

An abbreviation by definition is when you throw out the end of the word.

'You cow'? not that flattering!

@tchrist what about sec'y and gov't?

@tchrist exactly. and 'throw' is a verb.

It z nt whn U rmv al th vwlz n a wrd, whch z smthng I cnfs 2 nvr hvng hrd v B4.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Contractions.

I abbreviate everything to the empty string. reduces complexity.

mama's little baby loves short'nin', short'nin' / mama's little baby loves short'nin' bread