English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Cerberus

00:53

@tchrist Can't you talk like a normal person?

I am not a child.

Who etc. are not conjunctions, d'oh.

tchrist

So, “The person that I saw” has that as a conjunction, but “The person whom I saw” has whom as a non-conjunction. Got it.

Makes perfect sense.

“I don’t know [that] the person [that] I saw thought the same thing.” Which of those instances of that is a conjunction? Which ones aren’t?

Go ahead.

Because either you are talking about something else, or you have invented new names for old things.

In “I went to the store so that I could buy some milk”, the two-word phrase so that acts as a conjunction.

But I’m pretty we weren’t talking about that situation, since that that is not omissible.

If that that that we are talking about is omissible, it is a relative pronoun, never a conjunction.

In “I went to the greengrocer that I might acquire some leaks” you have a that which is a conjunction, but it is not omissible.

It also sounds like something from the 18th century.

KitFox

01:16

It is so strange to me to read questions like "How do I tell my parents that I'm not Christian?"

tchrist

On ELU?

KitFox

I don't recall ever feeling like my parents so ruled me that I had to hide my identity from them.

No, on Parenting.

tchrist

I suppose “How do I tell my parents I’m not a carnivore?” probably never comes up while one is living at home.

KitFox

I don't get why parents would want to be so controlling.

@tchrist Nah, that's pretty common.

tchrist

But it will be obvious, I meant.

KitFox

01:18

Oh, yes, true.

"How do I pretend to eat meat?"

tchrist

Maybe “How do I tell my parents I’m not into the opposite sex at all?” might be closer to the religious thing.

KitFox

Maybe. Still and all. That's no big deal either.

tchrist

Ya think?

Maybe we know different families.

KitFox

I never felt like I had to hide that from my parents.

Nor my lack of religion.

Of course, my mother was never interested in anything but herself.

tchrist

They say that Mom never has to be told, that she always knows.

KitFox

01:20

So it didn't really matter what I did.

tchrist

There are all kinds of families.

KitFox

Or didn't.

Or who.

tchrist

Telling your parents that you are not something that they think you are, or want you to be, or something like that, has got to be hard.

KitFox

But I don't plan on ruling my children. I have enough of my own stuff to figure out without having to tell them what to do until they turn 25.

@tchrist I guess they never laid that burden on me.

tchrist

If your five-year-old tells you he doesn’t ever want to go to school, that isn’t something you let him get away with.

I suspect that for church-going families, the same applies to church.

The question is when they should be allowed to make up their own minds.

KitFox

01:23

Well, if he didn't go to school, he'd have to get a job.

tchrist

Not at 5.

KitFox

Precisely.

That was the deal in our house.

tchrist

Hm. Never an issue in mine. Nobody ever thought of dropping out. I think I was the first when I bailed on a PhD.

KitFox

I think me too.

But when I was eight and didn't feel like going that morning, my daddy told me I didn't have to go, but then I was going to have to find a job.

tchrist

Hah.

KitFox

01:27

So either way, I had to get dressed.

tchrist

If I ever did that, it’s blotted out of my memory. I was one of those kids who could never imagine skipping school.

That was what the “bad” kids did.

KitFox

I was a nerdy girl who wore glasses. I loved class, but school was hell.

I never thought about cutting class, but there were many days when I wanted to stay home sick.

tchrist

It was hell before junior high?

KitFox

It's complicated.

tchrist

Don’t worry about it. Sorry.

KitFox

01:30

The students weren't bad, but my mom made it bad.

tchrist

That sounds horrible.

KitFox

Did you read Little Bunny's Planet? It is based on reality.

tchrist

No, I didn’t.

KitFox

Horrible is probably overstating it.

tchrist

@Cerb Here ya go.

KitFox

01:35

The advantage of my upbringing is that I stopped caring what other people thought right about the time everyone else started to care.

tchrist

I really never much noticed.

KitFox

It's different for girls.

I'm assuming you weren't one.

tchrist

Well, I never thought of myself as one, that’s for sure.

KitFox

I had a really great boyfriend my last two years of high school. I think that relationship probably kept me out of a lot of trouble.

I should probably email him and thank him and also apologize for being such a crazy bitch.

tchrist

So you intend to have a different kind of household for your kids as you had yourself?

They say that history repeats itself there, but I think they’re often wrong.

KitFox

01:43

It's probably true for people who have had less therapy.

But yes, I intend to incorporate my father's legacy and utterly cull my mother's lunacy from my parenting style.

tchrist

Things are different now. Dads have more involvement with the home, with their kids.

Amongst many other things, of course.

KitFox

My dad had the unconditional love thing down pat.

I wish he'd been involved in the parenting part more, but of course, he was the bacon-bringer.

Still. I never had any question about how much he loved me.

tchrist

See, with two breadwinners, it isn’t so split.

KitFox

Yeah. My husband complained once about how other guys blah, blah, blah.

We all say dumb things when we're sleep-deprived.

tchrist

Raising kids takes at least two or three parents.

KitFox

01:48

He's got a great mom, and the three of us are doing a pretty good job with our kids.

I don't know what we'd do without her.

tchrist

That would be three.

KitFox

Yeah. Good math skills there.

tchrist

Do your kids have their tonsils?

KitFox

Yes.

Tonight, Gramma D is making us batty.

tchrist

I wonder if that isn’t done as much anymore as it once was.

KitFox

01:50

She's come out of her room probably a dozen times.

tchrist

I had mine out as a kid, and it looking like I’m going to have to go in for a re-snip. I hate that.

KitFox

She's extremely agitated and confused.

@tchrist Bummer.

tchrist

You or your husband’s grandmother?

KitFox

My husband's.

tchrist

Very kind of you.

KitFox

01:50

What is?

tchrist

To be around a person who makes you batty.

KitFox

We don't have much choice. Gramma is on vacation this month, so we're caring for Gramma D.

Unfortunately, she's got an infection and that's making her pretty demented.

tchrist

That’s hard. Hope it doesn’t get out of hand.

KitFox

Which is why she is agitated. Which is why she keeps coming over to see us.

tchrist

Fever dementia is a horrible thing.

Or infection dementia, or whatever it is. But yeah, I’ve seen it.

KitFox

01:52

She just needs to go to sleep. She's had three doses of antibiotic, so she should be fine in the morning. She just needs to go to sleep.

It's like having an infant all over again.

tchrist

Except that the elderly person can actually talk to you with words.

KitFox

But if she's still out of her head in the morning, then I can't go back to the house to do work like I'd planned.

@tchrist Yes, but about as comprehensible.

Well, that's not true.

She thinks I'm my MiL sometimes.

She wants to know where her purse is.

She can't remember where she is or that her husband is dead.

She thought the boys were all at a baseball game this afternoon.

The boys being my husband's uncles and grandfather.

tchrist

That’s really sad.

KitFox

Yeah, tell me about it.

tchrist

No benzos?

KitFox

01:55

Sometimes we play along, sometimes we explain it to her.

tchrist

If you just need her to sleep.

KitFox

@tchrist No. She's been off meds for years now, so no backup supply.

tchrist

Or at least, to quell the anxiety.

KitFox

We gave her benadryl.

tchrist

That’s what I take for a sleeping pill.

KitFox

01:56

And if she's still agitated in the morning, I'll call her GP.

tchrist

Benzos are a seriously more serious situation, of course.

But sometimes useful.

KitFox

It's not safe for her to be up all the time.

tchrist

Why?

KitFox

She forgets that she's old.

tchrist

Falling risk?

KitFox

01:57

She needs a walker to get around. The house seems strange to her.

@tchrist Yeah.

tchrist

Oh.

Poor thing.

KitFox

I think she was determined to go outside earlier.

Something she never does.

tchrist

Can she sit with you guys?

KitFox

She spent most of the afternoon with us.

Usually she comes over and spends ten or fifteen minutes, then her back hurts and she wants to go back to bed.

Today, she chatted with us in the kitchen while we made dinner, and watched TV with the boys.

"Chatted" is a stretch here of course.

tchrist

Can you tell her that she should get some rest so that she feels better? It’s ten o’clock for goodness’ sake.

KitFox

02:02

We have. She keeps forgetting.

I'm going to bed though, so my husband's on watch.

Hopefully, he'll get some sleep. Her too.

Good night.

tchrist

I’m about done, too. Time for benadryl.

Night.

Probably should check for fever, neck hurts too much.

Cerberus

02:20

?

tchrist

Tonsil. I keep getting strep of the tonsil. Fever at 101.2, dang it. Going to bed.

This is like the 3rd time this year, at which point they will consider snipping it.

Again.

They say that when you get old, you get things growing where they shouldn’t, and things not growing where they should. Apparently tonsils are one of them.

tchrist

10:59

@Tim And so it begins anew.

Matt Эллен

11:17

I'm not sure how to get this back to the cumminty bulletin, but we need more blog posts!

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Q: EL&U Blog, the reboot

We have a blog. We've had it for a while. You should take a look, there is some great content. I'll wait here while you read it... Good, no? This is a call for regular contributors. You don't have to have an idea immediately, just a willingness to write coherently about English and EL&U. If...

I tried a minor edit, but it didn't help.

tchrist

More Norton spam this morning.

-5

Q: Call Off Usages

According to dictionaries, "call off" means to tell a dog or person chasing and/or attacking another to stop doing such act. But on google, sentences of the following type, in the context off policing searching for a missing person, could be found: They called off the searchers. They cal...

meaning usage

-3

Q: Usages Of "Call Off"

---.-.,-------,.-,.--,.---- According to dictionaries, "call off" means to tell a dog or person chasing and/or attacking another to stop doing such act. But on google, sentences of the following type, in the context off policing searching for a missing person, could be found: They calle...

meaning grammar usage

@MετάEd Not to mention ban-evasion.

Wow, isn’t even the Wet Coast up yet this morning?

Andrew Grimm

I just came across a Japanese person learning English writing "Fukushima 1" rather than "Fukushima daiichi". It's like they've overdone making the sentence English.

tchrist

Oh, I think that’s ok.

Please go downvote Norton to get him off the front page.

Thank you.

St John of the Cross

@AndrewGrimm But daiichi means "Number 1". Fukushima 1 and Fukushima 2 is how they would be referred to in an English-speaking country.

The UK uses A and B: Sizewell A and B; Dungeness A and B.

tchrist

Indeed, I have heard them thus referred to.

Andrew Grimm

11:31

@StJohnoftheCross 本当に？

St John of the Cross

If that means "Do you speak Japanese?" then No.

Andrew Grimm

@StJohnoftheCross it was actually Japanese for "really?". Trying to be humorous, and thought you had learnt Japanese.

St John of the Cross

:-)

Is daiichi not "Number 1" then?

Andrew Grimm

@StJohnoftheCross It is.

It's a correct translation, but I've seen "Fukushima daiichi" more often than "Fukushima 1".

St John of the Cross

That may be because not many English-speakers would know it means "Number 1" as opposed to "Fukushima daini" and just treat it as a long name in Japanese.

Matt Эллен

11:36

now I have "Stand by me" in my head. It's the Pennywise cover, so I'm enjoying it.

I can't believe how badly I misspelled community.

tchrist

@MattЭллен I taught it was intessional.

Andrew Grimm

@tchrist me two!

Matt Эллен

sadly no, it was because I was distracted by making sure I spelt bulletin correctly.

tchrist

I always have trouble spelling builtin, too.

St John of the Cross

Presumably a spelt bulletin is a communique about wheat.

Matt Эллен

11:48

how wheaty of you

tchrist

I have a chauncy gardener to help me control my weedy problems.

Spelt

Spelt, also known as dinkel wheat, or hulled wheat, is a hexaploid species of wheat. Spelt was an important staple in parts of Europe from the Bronze Age to medieval times; it now survives as a relict crop in Central Europe and northern Spain and has found a new market as a health food. Spelt is sometimes considered a subspecies of the closely related species common wheat (T. aestivum), in which case its botanical name is considered to be Triticum aestivum subsp. spelta. Evolution Spelt has a complex history. It is a wheat species known from genetic evidence to have originated as a hy...

> An episode of the popular TV series Star Trek, "The Trouble with Tribbles", revolved around the protection of a grain developed from triticale, which writer David Gerrold called "quadro-triticale" at producer Gene Coon's suggestion, and to which he ascribed four distinct lobes per kernel. A later episode titled "More Tribbles, More Troubles", in the animated series, also written by Gerrold, dealt with "quinto-triticale", an improvement on the original that apparently had five lobes per kernel.

Matt Эллен

aye, I looked up the other meaning. All that is left for me to say is "no no, not spelt, you're thining of being slender or elegant".

tchrist

> The "The Trouble with Tribbles", episode attributed the development of triticale to Canada. In 1953, the University of Manitoba began the first North American triticale breeding program. Early breeding efforts concentrated on developing a high yielding, drought tolerant human food crop species suitable for marginal wheat producing areas.

St John of the Cross

@MattЭллен No, not svelte, you're thinking of a soft material.

Matt Эллен

No no, not felt. You're thinking of large brown seaweed.

St John of the Cross

12:05

No, not kelp, you're think of puppies.

tchrist

Why do people upvote things that are completely illegible due to errors of spelling and grammar and punctuation and formatting?

Matt Эллен

because... um... maybe Kris or Carlo upvoted? They sometimes exhibit odd behaviours

tchrist

Yeah, I smell their spoor.

Matt Эллен

12:22

@StJohnoftheCross no no, not whelp. You're thinking of a short, sharp noise made by someone in pain.

tchrist

-4

Q: ___Calling Off___

---------------_- According to dictionaries, "call off" means to tell a dog or person chasing and/or attacking another to stop doing such act. But on google, sentences of the following type, in the context off policing searching for a missing person, could be found: They called off the...

spam

E più si muove.

St John of the Cross

Do we have no mods around at the moment?

tchrist

That’s right.

Matt Эллен

We've had no mods for the last hour

Cerberus

Hi.

Matt Эллен

12:24

Hi.

tchrist

So we have to police ourselves. Downvote to get it off the front page, flag as spam to get it autodeleted after enough of them. Closevote so we can delete it ourselves as necessary.

Cerberus

Do we need any mods?

tchrist

I have to commute. Please keep on top of this.

Matt Эллен

CU

tchrist

Hasta luego.

Matt Эллен

12:25

@Cerberus Nortonn has raised his head

Cerberus

Oh?

Matt Эллен

busand

1 1

spam

Cerberus

@tchrist What is the problem with this question?

Matt Эллен

the face of a troller

tchrist

@Cerberus It has been posted three times by Norton, that is what is wrong with it.

St John of the Cross

12:26

Proof-reading the internet, as a comment has it.

Cerberus

@tchrist Oh, I see.

Then delete two questions, keep one.

@StJohnoftheCross That's not proof-reading...

tchrist

@Cerberus So, we allow Norton to post freely?

What the bloody hell is a ban about then?

So you are advocating removing the ban?

I must disagree.

St John of the Cross

@Cerberus "Could it be an error?" is asking for proof-reading. I agree with that comment.

tchrist

If that is what our mod team and the community mgmt team prefer we do, then fine. But until I hear them actually say that, I vote for not letting Norton post. Period.

Cerberus

Consensus was reached a long time ago that asking about a specific idiom was not proof-reading. That's not what proof-reading means.

tchrist

12:29

Banned.

Cerberus

I never understood the Norton problem. Many of his questions seemed OK.

tchrist

He’s banned.

Cerberus

But whatever, I won't stand in your crazy way(s).

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus you don't remember why he was banned?

tchrist

Apparently not.

And apparently we should reward ban-evaders with answers.

Matt Эллен

12:30

he repeatedly posted copyright material without even a hint of attribution

Cerberus

I believe he did some crazy shit, but, again, many of his questions were OK.

tchrist

Pretty sure that is contrary to the SE terms of service.

Cerberus

Still has nothing to do with attacking his many "normal" ELL questions.

Matt Эллен

if he could have waited out his first ban, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

but he just ignored the mods and carried on

tchrist

Still pretty sure that ban-evasion is contrary to the SE terms of service.

Matt Эллен

12:32

you can't let that slide

tchrist

Don’t you remember what he just did to Andrew???

Matt Эллен

no. I don't think I know what he did to Andrew

Cerberus

Our policy used to be to judge each question on its own merits.

tchrist

Why the screaming bloody **** we should be accommodating to terrorists is nothing short of appeasement.

Matt Эллен

time for lunch! bbl

tchrist

12:33

So let a thousand banners post!

I’m sure this will help.

And everyone will have a nice day.

Cerberus

If people had been nicer to him, he might have behaved differently.

tchrist

Bah.

He is an effing loon.

There is no excuse for his criminal behavior.

And I do not use that term guardedly.

Calling all delete votes.

-5

Q: ___Calling Off___

---------------_- According to dictionaries, "call off" means to tell a dog or person chasing and/or attacking another to stop doing such act. But on google, sentences of the following type, in the context off policing searching for a missing person, could be found: They called off the...

spam

And a close vote yet here:

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Q: Call Off Usages

According to dictionaries, "call off" means to tell a dog or person chasing and/or attacking another to stop doing such act. But on google, sentences of the following type, in the context off policing searching for a missing person, could be found: They called off the searchers. They cal...

spam

Cerberus

@tchrist Speaking of terrorists, perhaps you are creating your own problem, just like the American government.

Matt Эллен

12:57

so, the mods are going to get unmanned drones to take out banned posters...

Cerberus

Yay!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

As long as band posters are safe.

Matt Эллен

unbanned band posters are safe. banned band posters are not

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

My main page chat box came home.

Matt Эллен

good?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

13:05

Yeah!

Matt Эллен

good

did you send it somewhere dangerous?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

13:18

It just left me.

Matt Эллен

how rude! did it leave a note?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

No!

Matt Эллен

Main page chat boxes today. They've no manners. No considerations for the feelings of others.

St John of the Cross

Perhaps it thought it was a cat. They can just wander off for days on end.

MετάEd

@tchrist A ban evasion calls for a flag. That is orthogonal to whether the question is off topic. In this case, the question is both off topic and ban evasion.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

13:32

@MattЭллен it isn't like when I was a kid.

Matt Эллен

Oh aye! When I was a young un, I knew my place. Down bottom o' coal pit, canary in hand. And I was grateful too.

MετάEd

@MattЭллен I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@MετάEd Sure, the rains came in, but we was grateful for the water to drink and wash our plate and fork.

Matt Эллен

There's a lot t' be said for having nothin'. Gives you something to aspire to. Folks today don't aspire. They've got roofs and walls and clothes not made of cardboard

MετάEd

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 You were lucky to have a plate and fork! We used to have to eat off the table with our fingers and drink out of a rolled up newspaper.

@MattЭллен Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.

Matt Эллен

13:42

Oh, aye, tarpaulin's nice. Better 'un the puddle we lived in. Some nights we tried to burn our clothes for food, but they were too soggy. I daren't eat the canary, either.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 hey! nice name

►

Matt Эллен

there's an image I didn't think I'd see :D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

it's a spoof of a nirvana album

Matt Эллен

with the baby on the cover

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah

Matt Эллен

13:49

is it nevermind?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yes

the first song on that Weird Al album is "smells like nirvana" which is a spoof of "Smells like teen spirit". The last track on that album is an unlisted track where Weird Al just screams and hits things for 45s.

Matt Эллен

lol

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

When I got that album, I put it on on a little cd player that I shoved under my bed, then fell asleep. But it was on repeat. So every 45 minutes or so (the length of the album) that hidden track would come on and wake me up. I was too tired to turn it off and it was too short to fully wake me up, just startled me.

Matt Эллен

lol. how frustrating

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah it was funny. I stopped putting CDs on repeat after that :)

back in the day when you could only load one album at a time into a music-playing device

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

13:59

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 hey yourself! Thank you! :)

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 reminisces

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 So, new name, new house, what's next?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Sorry, I wandered off to get ready.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'm going to Disneyland!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 sweet :)

At this point I feel obliged to tell you that disney is evil.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

0_0

Yeah.

I'm having tubes delivered at newCave today!

Speaking of, laytors.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

cya

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

14:05

bai!

Matt Эллен

14:18

welp, now I've got "under the sea" stuck in my head.

stupid catchy songs

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I'm listening to moonlight sonata

Matt Эллен

Classy(cal)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

they played part of it in a youtube ad and I had a flash-back to playing Thexder on my computer way back in the day

so my coworker is trying to sell a PS3 online. he got an email from paypal telling him that they had the money and would release it to his account once he puts in the shipping tracking number into the form. turns out it was a fake email. the scammer has also been sending him text messages trying to pressure him into shipping.

Matt Эллен

oh!

how unpleasant

was the scammer the person who bought the PS3?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:34

"bought", yes.

Matt Эллен

people can be so horrible.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

luckily he hasn't shipped it yet

would you be surprised if I said that the "buyer" is in Nigeria?

Matt Эллен

sadly, not very.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It seems like any time a person in Nigeria is using the Internet to make contact with someone in North America, a crime is being committed.

I wonder if normal Nigerians get upset that their international reputation is being so badly ruined

Matt Эллен

I should think so.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:35

Or does that whole country just hate us

Matt Эллен

it's difficult to know. I would assume they want to stop crime regardless of the target.

St John of the Cross

The Nigerian government wants it to stop.

The name "619 scam" comes from the relevant section in their penal code.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I read an article where some journalist supposedly went to a few countries that were big sources of these kinds of scams, and spoke to the scammers. They were treating it like a regular job. They had this notion that the West had money and goods to spare and there wasn't really any harm in what they were doing, and they felt entitled to what they were stealing. That we didn't deserve to have what we have, so they were right to take it.

@StJohnoftheCross 419

St John of the Cross

W'ever.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@StJohnoftheCross They officially want it to stop. But they haven't made much headway.

St John of the Cross

14:39

Probably not easy, short of taking down entire ISPs.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@StJohnoftheCross :) This is the EL&U room. We maintain the right to be hyper-corrective when it suits us :)

@StJohnoftheCross You'd think that if they wanted to they could easily find the people involved. Just set up some spam-trap addresses and respond to scams.

St John of the Cross

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmph. :-)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Then, being in Nigeria and being law-enforcement, they could follow the money trail, and start putting people in jail.

Matt Эллен

I guess there are bigger problems than people scamming foreigners

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@StJohnoftheCross We also maintain the right to be lax about spelling, grammar, facts, whatever, when it suits us.

@MattЭллен probably.

Matt Эллен

14:41

mai spelig is porfct

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Apparently the Nigerian government has a problem with corruption. surprise, surprise.

nytimes.com/2013/03/16/world/africa/…

Not to paint Nigeria as the worst place in the world. But once again, I read the news, then feel thankful that I live in Canada.

St John of the Cross

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmph.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So anyone here use Google Reader?

St John of the Cross

Yes. Hmph again.

Not sure what to replace it with.

Matt Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 is that for reading books bought on the Play store?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:50

@MattЭллен no, it's the RSS reader

Matt Эллен

ah, then I don't

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It's being shut down

by definition, almost all its users are tech-savvy individuals, many of whom are prolific bloggers

you'd think Google would like keeping tabs on what those signed-in users are reading

instead they're just shutting it down

It's my gateway to the internet.

The primary app I use on my smartphone.

The first website I open in my browser.

Matt Эллен

maybe they're trying to force people to use Google+? I'm not sure how it would link to RSS

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

they do want them to use G+. But it's in no way a good replacement.

St John of the Cross

Does G+ do RSS? I hadn't noticed.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:57

@StJohnoftheCross I don't think it does.

I think they want sites to publish on G+, which many do now.

St John of the Cross

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Fat lot of good that is then.

How do I get the sites I read to publish on G+? Madness.

I might just have to write my own aggregator.

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