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7:01 PM

More post-election navel-gazing for Republicans for @Cerberus, who, being a dog, can't read.

@RegDwighт It's just an apostrophe — at least that's what I would call it — but sometimes specific languages could refer to it with a special name

I don't think I have a good answer for the Hebrew one specifically

Very, very interesting. How an article on Slate can lay bare the deeper truth underneath political subtleties.

@Kosmonaut Yeah, I'd call it an apostrophe.

What its precise function is I do not know.

How do you describe the function in Chinese Q'ing?

I have no idea what it even does.

@Cerberus In Arabic you sometimes call it "hamza", because that is the letter that is written as an apostrophe when Latinized

Hmm.

I see.

> from the Black Panthers’ remarkable rise to political power to that thing about the guns and Mexico named after an awesome Vin Diesel movie to the multifront war on Christmas/Christians/Christ to The Great Benghazi Conspiracy of 2012.

I'm so happy I don't have the slightest idea about any of these. @Rob

7:07 PM

I think I tutored a kid named Hamza once.

@RegDwighт i actually do know about 2 of those

the Black Panther thing is just a historical curiosity

@Kosmonaut Any idea why they picked an apostrophe there to represent this hamza?

@Cerberus Well, it is basically the phoneme that is just stopping the flow of air, so maybe there is some perceptual reason — Hawaiian (or should I say Hawai'ian) also uses an apostrophe for the same function

It's just a glottal stop

Yeah I wonder why they picked an apostrophe for that.

Because the apostrophe normally just indicates that something was left out.

Well, glottal stop might be described as "the sound just drops out"

7:11 PM

@Kosmonaut Wait, is there really a glottal stop in Hawaiian, not something like a y?

@Cerberus Yes

There is a glottal stop

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

1 min ago, by Kosmonaut

It's just a glottal stop

Oh how I've longed to see those words

I'm saying it, and it sounds really weird.

forvo.com/search/hawaiian

I don't hear it.

Do you?

I hear it only in words like British wa'er.

I'm talking about the Hawaiian language.

@RegDwighт You may be thankful that you do not. I, however, have to deal with this shit and I take comfort in the implications of the article.

7:13 PM

Oh...

Hawaii in English is as you say, Hawai'i in Hawaiian, or even as the English locals say it there, has a glottal stop

OK.

@Robusto of the things mentioned there, only the guns-for-drug-lords seems like a real story

the rest of it is just bleating

I don't think I have ever heard that.

What could be the origin of the association some people have of the apostrophe with a glottal stop?

@Kosmonaut Hey there! I haven't seen you online in a while!

7:15 PM

That is how it is pronounced in Hawaiian (and by locals)

Right.

That's clear.

@Alenanno Hey! I'm a busy guy these days

@Robusto oh, but my not having to deal with these does not prevent me from taking comfort in the implications of the article. My point was that not having to deal with them gives me additional comfort.

@Kosmonaut Did you know about the Linguistics SE site? I'm surprised you're not there. :P

It got created at an inopportune moment.

Kosmo did manage to register for GLU.

7:18 PM

Yeah, I figured that out.

I forgot to add a "yet" there.

@Alenanno I know about it but I've literally only been on stackexchange (aside from reading tech questions and answers) a total of 10 times in the past year and a half probably

@RegDwighт I made no imputation to the contrary.

@Alen are you sure "in a while" is right? I always thought that it was "for a while".

@Alenanno You have to mumble mumble Free New York Donuts Immediately mumble mumble then @Kosmo.

Sorry, I meant bagles.

@Kosmonaut Actually I know about that. :P I didn't phrase my sentence well.

7:20 PM

Though donuts might work anyway.

@Kosmonaut We have been having a lot of fun, even during the hurricane.

Oct 29 at 16:54, by Robusto

While we're waiting for the storm to intensify, I suggest we add case markers to other English prepositions. Today's innovation: youm, which will take its place alongside whom when used in the prepositional or objective case. So when someone says, "To whom are you speaking?" you can answer, "Why, to youm!"

@Carlo_R. Yes, it's correct.

@RegDwighт I find the very idea that you would confuse the two comtemptuous.

@Kosmonaut see, I wanted to illicit a response and illicit a response I have.

@Alen thank you.

7:21 PM

There he goes, misspelling bugles again.

All within a minute, too.

@Robusto I didn't have power a lot of the time during the hurricane

I'm teaching @Alenanno things, don't interfere, @Kosmo.

@RegDwighт Teaching what? lol

@RegDwighт I will KILL you before I let you illicit another response from me!

7:22 PM

Maybe you will killicit a response.

Oh crap, the illicit was meant for Jasper, but he isn't even here.

He typically correct's all my spellings.

@Alenanno teaching you everything, though I usually start with something.

@Robusto let the mighty bugle sore.

@RegDwighт Until now I haven't learned much though. You should re-organize your methods!

By the way, on Russian SE we're having a wave of new users.

@Alenanno it takes two to tango.

@Reg but are you talking in my place? Thank you.

@RegDwighт I'm not dancing, you're the teacher. Prepare your lessons better!

:P

7:25 PM

tangos

gets out guitar and plays tangos

@Alenanno I have exactly one lesson: d'être.

@RegDwighт Is your bulge sore? See a doctor.

@MετάEd when you're done with the tangos proceed to mangos. Then adenosine.

@RegDwighт tsk...

@Robusto I see a doctor all the time. Also I'm talking at a nurse this very second.

7:26 PM

pringles

@Alenanno you misspole "thwack".

When you're done with mangoes, proceed directly to pineapples.

raisins

Oh no. Nonono. God, no. Do not proceed to pineapples. No.

Feb 11 '11 at 14:56, by Robusto

Actually, that is my raisin d'etre in a nutshell.

@RegDwighт We have to deal with pineapples sooner or later. They're not going to dismiss themselves.

7:28 PM

I suppose @tchrist only has resina d'être.

ouch

Or, in Greek, retsina.

@RegDwighт you misspelled misspelled

I will not misspell whoosh, though.

Whoosh is such a beutiful word. How is that pronunced, please?

7:30 PM

You misspelt wish.

Whish.

Cool whish.

@Carlo_R. Like wish only with an oo.

@Rob thank you.

Hey, @Alenanno. Please converse with Carlo in Italian and instruct him not to get in over his head here.

ELL is at 53%. That's over 52%.

7:33 PM

@Carlo_R. /ʍʊʃ/

My mother was a saint!

@RegDwighт Yo mama.

@Robusto First I need to understand what "not to get in over his head here" means. :P

@RegDwighт And then what happened to her?

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт and yet under 54%. isn't maths weird.

7:34 PM

@Alenanno Well, perhaps I misjudged you. It happens.

@tchrist actually it was never disclosed.

@MattЭллен Wait, that is so ... beautiful. The simplicity of it is stunning. I'm having an acid flashback now. Thanks a lot.

@Robusto I showed that to another speaker, they didn't understand either... :P

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hey, has anyone ever been unsainted?

@tchrist thank you.

7:35 PM

@Rob must be listening to NPR right now.

@Alenanno you have to show it to another reader. Rookie mistake.

@Alenanno To "get in over one's head" means to enter a situation that is too complex or overwhelming to make sense of. It's related to water and depth, but it can apply to conversations in another language.

@Robusto Ah got it, thanks.

@tchrist No. I'm seeing paisley shirts and strobe lights ... corduroy Ringo caps ... a track by The Strawberry Alarm Clock is playing ...

But you should know translating is my job, you'd need to pay me for that.

7:37 PM

@Alenanno Well, so far you haven't been earning your money. I've done all the translating for you. So you owe me for the "in over your head" explanation.

All acid flashbacks are purely psycho. There is no leftover acid in your body.

@tchrist Speak for yourselves.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes. St. George was decanonized, for one.

Michael.

no, I mean Christopher

St. Bubba was decanonized, I think.

Matt Эллен

I was unsainted. apparently you're not allowed to canonise yourself.

7:38 PM

@Robusto No that was your duty as my client. :D

Wait. Isn't a saint the little piece of skin between the ...

@MattЭллен renice --20 $$

There, you cantoniced yourself.

All Saints.

Eight days late.

Matt Эллен

Most saints

7:41 PM

Most saints ain't.

FTFY.

mostsaintsaint?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto Hm

@Robusto decanonized by whom?

christianity .se suggests that canonization is permanent and infallible.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 the RCC has taken some saints off the roster

not that it keeps people from venerating them

Hello.

Is it grammatical to use "self-study" as a verb? OALD says it's a noun.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Gigili you can use lots of things as verbs. It might sound odd though. Verbing weirds language.

Probably "study" alone is sufficient.

or "study alone"

7:50 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So, umm, does "I self-studied German" make sense to you?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Gigili makes sense. I wouldn't say it.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I distinctly remember him being removed, but I can't find any citation for that. All that means is that I gave the Catholic Church more credit than it deserved. Which is an odd state of affairs, I think you'll agree.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I studied German alone? Umm.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why not?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Gigili I taught myself German

@Gigili You'd be more likely to say "I taught myself German" or "I studied German by myself."

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:51 PM

@Gigili I dunno. I doesn't sound natural to me.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Jinx.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 OK, that's better. Thanks.

@Robusto Right, thank you.

Right. Just light up the room and leave.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

user image

Question for the group: Are camp followers just "camp" or are they also "followers"?

Anyway, I'm outta here.

Matt Эллен

7:58 PM

I guess they're people who follow camp people. the campness of the follower is not guaranteed

8:23 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, I think some popes. Popes almost always get sainted eventually, but I think there was some politics with some schism. I think they still get to go to heaven but, you know, it's just not the same without the fancy epaulettes.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch If you're referring to the antipopes, I think the argument would be that they were never canonized in the first place.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 the actual antipopes were certainly never sainted

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 that's just playing with words.

and i think only like 60% of the popes are saints. there were lots of bad popes, you know

@JSBձոգչ you mean there were -fake- antipopes?

8:27 PM

i mean, the antipopes as opposed to just the bad popes

@JSBձոգչ by 'bad' you mean they didn't know the right people?

@Mitch sure, so long as by "right people" we mean "jesus" ;)

well, anyway, I think there were some popes, not bad and not anti, and actually accepted as saints at some point who were unsainted. Actually...

i'm not aware of that, but i could be wrong

Wait ... there were good popes?

8:29 PM

wasn't that a recent set of such demotions? Like on or two famous ones, like St. Christopher? That would suck cause all those people prayers would then just to be to an everyday loser.

@JSBձոգչ I heard recently that Jesus is love.

luuuuurve

@JSBձոգչ there are so many things I am wrong anbout or not wrong about, that I am also not aware of. I think.

Wait. Didn't St. Patrick get the bum's rush?

@Robusto That's never sounded like a pleasant thing to me.

nor 'frog marched' but the latter just sounds like an inconvenient way to travel.

@JSBձոգչ I heard some younger people discussing the 'can go create something he can't move?' problem, and I just want to scream out 'what a load of wishful thinking horseshit.

But then I didn't.

@Robusto i certainly hope not. my irish relatives will riot

8:34 PM

It isn't meant to be. Still, not as bad as bastinado or auto da fe or Supedtramp.

Supertramp.

Stupid smart phone.

@RegDwighт -two- apostrophes is for ...

abbreviations!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch No, not playing with words. I mean someone was officially recognized as a saint, with no weaseling out due to schisms, and then later, the church says "we should never have recognized this person as a saint: they're not a saint"

@Robusto torture!

@Mitch f'c's'l'

Also for escaping apostrophes in Javascript.

The only way to escape apostrophes is with entities.

... '

8:37 PM

Eight minutes till Breaking Bad, episode 4 through 6.

Sweet.

I'm really wondering why I'm so hooked already.

At face value, nothing of notice has happened at all.

I am not interested in the trade, and none of the characters are particularly likeable.

And yet.

I do think that part of the charm is precisely that not much happens at all. I mentioned that. I also mentioned how I wondered how long they can keep that up.

@Mr.Shiny I do not think the Roman Church has done something similar things.

They spend a lot of time establishing the atmosphere. Or really just establishing something, no idea what, and without presenting it as establishing to boot.

@Mr.Shiny a Saint is a Saint forever.

8:46 PM

They show a woman driving. For twenty seconds. Nothing happens. They show a house from the outside for ten seconds. Nobody enters the frame. Sometimes not a single word is spoken for several minutes in a row. But it's fantastic. Makes me feel like I'm really there. Makes it feel familiar. Makes me feel like I have lived in that place, and time.

And off I am. Lators.

Apologize me, but I have heard that Protestant religion does not have Saint. Is it true?

In Italy, as Chatoics, we have a lot of Saint.

I'm agnostic, as well.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Carlo_R. Anglicans have saints

@Carlo_R. I think that is the case. something about the reformation that worshipping saints was like worshipping other gods than God. So the protestants got rid of that. Hm...I think I'm wrong, I think Anglicans have the same saints mostly as the RC church. Baptists I'm pretty sure don't have saints.

@RegDwighт Enjoy.

the major problem with the saints is that the have something of pagan, expert of religions said.

8:57 PM

Saints are not always forever: Santa is just one edit-step away from Satan.

Ok, fine. Two.

Also from Santana.

Protestants generally hold Catholic notions of sainthood to be tantamount to neopaganistic pantheons that have no place in monotheism.

@tchrist Satan was not a Saint, but an angel.

@Carlo_R. this is mostly true. protestants don't have saints. anglicans and (some) lutherans still recognize the saints, but they don't pray to them or generally give them nearly the same attention

@Carlo_R. /ʍʊʃ/

8:59 PM

@tchrist And yet you yourself worship icons, although you call them code points or characters or whatever.

@Robusto I’m not much of a minimalist. I leave things as they are. Little cause for iconifying or deïconifying.

catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=36

@tchrist yes, whoosh, but any Saint is a human being before; and Satan was noit a human. Maybe an entity or an item.

oops...that was supposed to show stuff. Anyway on the page about St. Christopher it says that he's not a saint anymore.

right, angels aren't saints.

how does one pronounce 'archangel'? is it 'arkangel' or 'artchangel'?

Arkangel.

9:04 PM

@Mitch I do not know who is this St. Christopher, but I'm sure that San Cristofaro is still a Saint.

But archbishop, not arkbishop.

@Robusto yeah. english is dumb.

You must be the archenemy of English.

@Carlo_R. if cristofaro is the italian for christopher, then sorry, he's not a saint anymore (by the 1968 catholic church saint reforms)

neither is (formerly st.) Ursula or Sarah.

But Christopher is a big loss because now all those drowned sailors? It's all their own fault.

> Si en San Cristóbal confías, de accidente no morirás

9:07 PM

Interesting @Mitch, I did not know this fact.

The Church began honoring saints by the year 100 AD. The practice grew from the long standing Jewish practice of honoring prophets and holy people with shrines. ... Canonization has only been used since the 10th century. Prior to that saints were chosen by public acclaim. With that process, some saints stories were distorted by legend and some never existed. In 1969 the Church reviewed all the saints on its calendar to see if there was historical evidence of each saints existence. After discovering that there was little proof that many saints including some very popular ones ever lived, som…

@RegDwighт That's a sign of good filmmaking. I was watching 2001 a space odyssey the other day (excellent film, right). but, gah, was it -boring-. so slow. hurry the eff up and get to the part where the chimps beat the crap out of each other, HAl goes off his nut, and then you're flying through psychedlic space. What's with the intentional boring stuff?

> After discovering that there was little proof that many saints including some very popular ones ever lived, some were dropped from the calendar of feast days. Among those who were dropped is Saint Christopher, patron saint of travels. There are several legends about him....but he was determined to be based on legend and was taken off the universal calendar.

in the Orthodox Church we still choose saints by public acclaim. there is no formal canonization process

@tchrist Does it say anything about George and Patrick?

9:10 PM

@JSBձոգչ Hip Hip Hurrah!

And by George I mean Clooney, and by Patrick I mean Stewart, of course.

Patrick is quite historical, so i'd be surprised if he got the axe

@tchrist "...some saints stories were distorted by legend and some never existed..." It's like saying there's realy real l magic and then just stories of conjuring which doesn't count.

George was also a historical person, though the dragon slaying is legendary or allegorical (the latter being the favored interpretation by many)

> The removal of saints from the liturgical calendar is explained in the Second Vatican Council’s 1963 document Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy: 111. Lest the feasts of the saints should take precedence over the feasts which commemorate the very mysteries of salvation, many of them should be left to be celebrated by a particular Church or nation or family of religious; only those should be extended to the universal Church which commemorate saints who are truly of universal importance.

9:11 PM

@JSBձոգչ I bet he never even knew England even -existed-.

> Then in 1969, the motu proprio of Paul VI for the reform of the Liturgical calendar for says: “With the passage of centuries, it must be admitted, the faithful have become accustomed to many special religious devotions that the principal mysteries of the redemption have lost their proper place. This was due partly to the increased number of vigils, holydays, and octaves, partly to the gradual overlapping of various seasons in the liturgical year. . .

@Mitch there's plenty of saints who existed and were saintly, even if you don't believe that they ever performed miracles

> . . . The purpose of the reordering of the liturgical year and of the norms accomplishing its reform, therefore, is that through faith, hope, and love the faithful may share more deeply in "the whole mystery of Christ as it unfolds throughout the year."

@Mitch probably not, since he lived in Anatolia IIRC

@tchrist all I saw there was "...increased number of ... octaves.." and thought (re amadeus) "No not very good, just too many notes. That's it, too -much- music, too many notes."

@tchrist Always leaving out charity. Cheapskates.

9:14 PM

catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=5934

To put these decrees of the Council into effect, the names of some saints have been deleted from the General Calendar and permission was granted to restore the memorials and veneration of other saints in those areas with which they have been traditionally associated. The removal of certain lesser-known saints from the Roman Calendar has allowed the addition of the names of martyrs from regions where the Gospel spread later in history.
In consequence, the single catalogue displays in equal dignity as representatives of all peoples those who either shed their blood for Christ or were outstand…

> This library contains the wit and wisdom of nearly 2000 years of Catholic authorship.

Guffaw. Must be a slim volume.

@Robusto a priest, a minister, and a deacon walk into a bar...

Do not dispute with the Authorities, lest they should in holy retribution efface your name in the Book of Life.

"let God strike me down dead right now if I ever....'

@tchrist Effacing books is sinful.

Self-effacing books are modest.

> Ego sum abbas Cucaniensis et consilium meum est cum bibulis et in secta Decii voluntas mea est, et qui mane me quesierit in taberna, post vesperam nudus egredietur et sic denudatus veste clamabit: «wafna, wafna! quid fecisti, sors turpissima! nostre vite gaudia abstulisti omnia.

9:17 PM

I loathe Catholic humor. It's always predicated on smugness and self-satisfaction with the pain and horror that are the Catholic experience.

@tchrist You are no abbot. You might be Abed, though. Do you watch Community?

@Robusto s/Catholic/in group/g

LIke musician's jokes.

@JSB then Orthodox Church is more democratic then Chatoic Churc.

@tchrist The New Yorker had the nerve to call that piece "kitschy" — well, consider the source, I tell myself.

9:19 PM

@Carlo_R. sure... are you misspelling that on purpose as some kind of joke, or do you not know how to spell Catholic Church ?

@tchrist Like poetry...even when translated to normal English it still doesn't make sense.

@Mitch It is poetry, insofar as lyrics are poetry.

@Carlo_R. I think you want to say Catholic church, not Chatoic. The latter sounds too close to the much more disparaging Chaotic.

@JSB Excuse me for misspelling words, but on my phone there is not spellchecker.

9:21 PM

@Robusto to -boring- music. Wait...for 2001: A space odyssey?

@Mitch And yet it has a certain aptness ...

@Carlo_R. ah, no problem

> nonies pro monachis dispersis,

@Carlo_R. now you know the right spelling. How do you spell it in Italian?

Parum sexcente nummate
durant, cum immoderate
bibunt omnes sine meta.
Quamvis bibant mente leta,
sic nos rodunt omnes gentes
et sic erimus egentes.
Qui nos rodunt confundantur
et cum iustis non scribantur.

9:23 PM

Chiesa Cattolica, @Mitch.

See, I tolja: no book of life for you.

@Carlo_R. ah. So when you're in doubt about the English spelling, you should look it up in a dictionary instead of hoping to rely on a spellchecker, since you don't have a spellchecker.

@Robusto if you intend it then it's funny ha ha. If you don't then it's funny weird.

@Mitch yes, but on my phone I cannot open two windows, one in chat and the other on an online dictionary; and I do not have paper dictionaries to use. Surely I will buy one for the next Christmast.

what brand is your phone?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So Christopher wasn't de-sainted, he was rather delisted on account of "we're not sure he ever existed".

9:30 PM

@Mitch BlackBerry

surely they allow switching to another browser window to use, say, google translate?

Yes @Mitch, they allow this functionality, but the problem is the memory. For example I can stay on main site and on google, but chat and dictionary is not possible.

The browser close itself for lack of memory.

Mr.Shiny yes, you are right. RC would never revise its process of sanctification.

For RC it would be better to "send" those saints in the obly.

I hope "obly" is the right traslation for "oblio" @Mr.Shiny

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Carlo_R. it must not be because I don't know what you mean.

time for me to go... bye

Oh, "oblivion", "forgetfulness" or "lethe" - I'm not sure. @Mr.Shiny

Bye @Mr.Shiny

10:05 PM

"Lethe" is a proper noun, therefore it should be capitalized.

10:42 PM

@Robusto 2. (usually lowercase) forgetfulness; oblivion.

obliviate, v.t., to forget, to wipe from existence

@MετάEd Hmm, I'm thinking too poetically.

@Robusto That's never good.

Drop thine anchor ere the edge thou sail o'er.

My heart aches, and a drowsy numbness pains
  My sense, as though of hemlock I had drunk,
Or emptied some dull opiate to the drains
  One minute past, and Lethe-wards had sunk:
'Tis not through envy of thy happy lot,	         5
  But being too happy in thine happiness,
    That thou, light-wingèd Dryad of the trees,
          In some melodious plot
  Of beechen green, and shadows numberless,
    Singest of summer in full-throated ease.

From "Ode to a Nightingale"

Lethe-wards would certainly be capitalized

From the river Lethe.

Even uncapitalized it's a shade poetic and abstruse. I would be unlikely to use it outside an academic paper.

10:47 PM

Yes. But "Lethe-wards" isn't merely "from" the river ... it plainly actually means toward the river Lethe.

Metaphorically speaking I suppose.

Which reminds me that I haven't played poo-Styx for quite awhile.

Er liegt und schläft an meinem Herzen,
Mein guter Schutzgeist sang ihn ein;
Und ich kann fröhlich sein und scherzen,
Kann jeder Blum' und jedes Blatts mich freun.
Nachtigall, ach! Nachtigall, ach!
Sing mir den Amor nicht wach!

@MετάEd It means whatever wards were keeping the Lethe from overflowing its banks.

@Robusto Ope the Lethe-locks. Or the Withy-windles, or whatever.

I'll do no such thing. I need to stay awake.

"Depreciated and troublesome old-style JPEG compression mode, please convert to new-style JPEG compression and notify vendor of writing software"

Eeew.

"Depreciated".

The depredations of eggcorns are deprecated. You'll appreciate that.

But I hope your Schutzgeist can protect you from them anyway.

Now I gotta go pick up me missus at the train station. Laterese.

10:57 PM

@Robusto The only thing we have to fear is geworfenheit.

11:12 PM

The Owl and the Nightingale

The Owl and the Nightingale is a 12th- or 13th-century Middle English poem detailing a debate between an owl and a nightingale about whether it is better to be mirthful or sorrowful, as overheard by the poem's narrator. It is the earliest example in Middle English of a literary form known as debate poetry (or verse contest). (Examples exist in the Old English poems Solomon and Saturn. Manuscripts, date, and authorship There are two surviving manuscript versions of The Owl and the Nightingale, one belonging to the British Library as BL MS Cotton Caligula A.IX, the other to Jesus College, ...

There’s a Jesus College

I had wondered where all the Jeeziziz came from.

Or the Hey-zeuses.

Hayzeuses?

Defenestration.

11:29 PM

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/40921/human-sexuality/…

So is that a cabinet level department?

Any experience with Google hangouts?

I wonder if having the URL of a hangout is all you need to join it.

@MετάEd yeah, if you have the url you can usually join

hmm

so if I do this plus.google.com/hangouts/_/…

anybody can join it?

@MετάEd Goesintight.

11:44 PM

@tchrist Sanka.

Yes, and gets stuck in the chimney.

@MετάEd IM IN UR HANGOUT

It works. Nice.

I guess this means people can watch me edit safety data sheets too. How exciting.

I remember years ago I used to hang out in a Yahoo chatroom with audio and video, and somebody would always run sound, DJ or whatever.

very amusing, although sound and video makes it ask more attention, at least for me

which means that it's something i'm unlikely to leave on all the time

unlike ELU chat

right

@tchrist Is it too soon to wish you a happy Hogswatch.

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