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> The proportion of all RECOVER-Adult participants that met criteria for ME/CFS following SARS-CoV-2 infection was 4.5% (531 of 11,785) compared to 0.6% (9 of 1439) in uninfected participants.
I wonder how useful this information is: are there really 'uninfected people' in existence? I think that COVID has covered the whole population.
@jlliagre I don’t see any possibilities at all.
@Xanne I was told I wasn't respecting the traditional colors. I have kind of two "purple" sets.
Maybe three actually.
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The NYT description is that the categories go from Easy to Tricky.
@Cerberus Black teeth were reportedly posh in Elizabethan England, because sugar was expensive, so those who could not afford naturally sugar-rottened teeth resorted to blackening them. At least if Bill Bryson is to be believed.
The Queen used honey to brush her teeth, but then switched to sugar powder.
00:55
I found this on Reddit:
A lot of people seem to think the colors are about difficulty. They're actually about how straightforward they deem the category, and there's a pretty clear pattern. (This is all based on memory, so there are probably common themes I'm leaving out, but this is the gist.) Yellow is almost always synonyms. Even if the words are obscure, synonyms will still be yellow. A second synonym category will be green, but green is often members of a group. If a category is components of something, even a very common object, that will usually be blue. And purple usually requires e
@CowperKettle Bryson has an understated way of slipping humor into his writing. It's likely that's what he was doing.
@jlliagre Cunk is a riot. Cunk on Earth was even better than the latest one, I think.
@Xanne Yes. I discovered her recently and love her humor.
01:22
@jlliagre Reddit folks can look over the history of these puzzles, and perhaps there are some commonalities among levels of difficulty. But my view of puzzles is that they need to be fun—to provide humor, amusement, insight, perhaps an appreciation of observing your own brain at work. One answer makes the next one easier.
@Xanne Did you gave up on mine? ChatGPT found one category and 3/4 of a second one in a snap.
Yes, I gave up.
Okay, I'll try to create a simpler one.
maybe there should be a hint finction
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01:38
@jlliagre I do this on a mini-ipad, and can’t read the hints or spoilers.
@xanne I just created a chatroom for it.
I’ve lost the link to the puzzle. Can you paste it again?
Never mind, I found it.
02:11
@jlliagre, @Cerberus Oops, I did it again: ANOTHER FINE MESS.
@Robusto I have a group of 5 and a group of 3 :-)
@jlliagre I feel your pain :-)
@Robusto Ohh let me see.
@CowperKettle Really! That is hilarious.
When my mother's best friend grew up in the 50s / early 60s, braces were new.
She didn't need any, so she didn't get them.
But she wanted to be cool.
So she bent paperclips and wore them around her teeth to look like braces.
@M.A.R. i see, I did not know that and I bet those red flaggers think I am vengeful. I am not but I was returning the favor. Did you see the post in fact?
02:36
ANOTHER FINE MESS
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A little brute force...
@jlliagre Was it that hard?
Yes.
Sorry.
No problem, categories are clever.
But do you feel like you're a better man for having done it?
02:40
Always.
I learned things.
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I'm still kind of staring at it.
@Cerberus It's tricky.
So I see!
Obviously the cities aren't about cities.
I see four geographical adjectives, but that would seem too obvious.
@Cerberus A better way to put it is, the cities aren't about cities except when they are.
02:47
No doubt.
OK I brute-forced purple, but I wouldn't know any of these.
Green: the same, I don't know any.
Yellow I don't know either.
Blue is a clever category but I think I would only have been able to think of that if it had been last haha.
By the way, SPOILER
03:06
@Cerberus Not really. SPOILER
But hey, thanks for playing!
@Robusto I meant the verb, which can also be spelled -e.
@Robusto Thanks for making it!
Even if it was a bit over my heads.
03:20
I'll get better at it. I hope.
Well, a puzzle works depending on the audience!
It will work with people who know about the categories.
04:05
Connections
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Okay I am just not compos mentis I think.
I just clicked and didn't have any patience.
In blue, there was one I didn't know.
In yellow the same.
Purple is tough as it is but there is also one item I don't know.
Green I would have been able to get in a normal state of mind.
04:21
Conspiracy theory of the day: The Jesuits sank the Titanic
@jlliagre Yup, felt sorry for the real experts interviewed that they don't get to say substantive things, but (for example) forced to agree that spoiler (18:24-18:48)
@alphabet Philomena commented that Shakespeare was very brave to put the shipwreck in the beginning instead of the end, like Titanic (19:11-19:18).
Gotta give credit for her choosing some period music (Renaissance era) as well as good classical snippets despite anachronistic like Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata in the Tragedy section (21:50) extended to accompany Simon Russell Beale, CBE reciting "to be or not to be ..." from Hamlet :-).
04:37
> Conspiracy theorist Mitchell Haney Wilcoxon in 1928 alleged that the Jesuits were behind the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, as part of a broader conspiracy to squash American democracy. In more modern times, conspiracy theorists have claimed that Jesuits were behind the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
@Lambie I didn't. Anyway I think it's best to move on
@alphabet they also assassinated Raisi dontcha know
@M.A.R. The "The Catholic Church controls the world" conspiracy theories are just...incredibly weird.
Sometimes I'm not even sure that the Catholic Church controls the Catholic Church.
> Pope Francis has said he inherited a “large white box” full of documents related to various scandals faced by the Catholic church when he took over from his predecessor.
> “He gave me a large white box,” Francis writes. “‘Everything is in here’, he told me. ‘Documents relating to the most difficult and painful situations. Cases of abuse, corruption, dark dealings, wrongdoings.’”
Amazingly, there's a picture of this event--yes, really:
(Well, probably. Apparently nobody has confirmed that the box in the picture is the specific large white box full of documents that Francis was writing about.)
05:09
Perhaps the box contains all the Vatican's most important documents, not just about scandals?
 
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Daily Extreme Octordle #1091
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@jlliagre Thank you for getting back to me on that.
11:53
> The Guardian: A World Gone Mad.
> But the narratives of [Bongbong] Marcos and Trump have had a head-start online, spreading so exponentially and viciously that no amount of groundwork could match them.
12:06
We are unable to defend ourselves from addiction to social media's deliberately destructive algorithms. It's no wonder that the robber barons riding the top of those firms have turned towards autocracy.
12:24
@Cerberus That must have been dangerous for the tooth enamel
Metathesis strikes again! /ɪˌnɔ.gjʊˈɻeʃən/ > /ɪˌnjɔ.gəˈɻeʃən/
There are several other variants of that out there in the wild as well.
What I was showing there in that pair is the way metathesis moves the /j/ in /gj/ over to /nj/ leaving just /n/ in its wake.
The stress pattern is far more stable than the vowels and glides.
low-mid-low-high-low
short-long-short-verylong-veryshort
1-4-1-5-1
I can't get the musical notation I want to use to show up in a way that reads nicely in chat.
it's a pair of sixteenth note plus dotted eighth note sequences followed by a trailing sixteenth note. Adjust to triplet meter or double-dotted versions as you see fit.
And the pitch tone is higher on the penult's primary-stressed syllable than on the secondary-stressed second syllable although whether these are musical pitch intervals 1-4-5 or 1-3-5 or 1-3-4 I can no longer tell.
It's like some sort of tonal variant of semantic satiety from saying the word to myself too many times.
Don't listen to George (W) Bush saying that word or you'll cry: /əˌnəgɚˈeʲʃn̩/.
Maybe I'm misremembering and he actually says that more like his dad's old-style New Englander NUT vowel in the second syllable so iike with /əˌnʌgɚˈeʲʃn̩/ but probably not.
A shock inauguration begins with shock and awe. :)
It's 3 below zero here.
Salt has no power to melt ice below zero ℉.
@CowperKettle Why do I keep thinking of Yekaterinburg as Santa Catarinaville in my head? :)
What the hell, has Yekaterinburg has 25 ℉ compared to Boulder with −3 ℉! Why are you so warm today?
Oh, cloud cover providing temporary warmth protection as snow moves in.
The honorable US Senator from Minnesota OF COURSE wanted to keep tomorrow's presidential innuggeration outside. If course she was right: it will likely be in the 20s and they'll've gotten only a ninch or two of snow. Almost shirt-sleeve weather!
Tuff nuggies!
Well, tuff nouggies as in nougat.
PUT, COULD, SHOULD vowel in nuggies but NUT, commA vowel in tuff.
 
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@tchrist This year, the weather is psychedelically warm.
The worst colds usually last from January 15/20 to February 15/20
That is, about a month starting from January 20, but sometimes a bit earlier.
This year, it's wild.
> What do you call an Irish tomb full of coins?
A crypt o'currency.
14:55
@M.A.R. - today I came across this "sauce that tastes like mayonnaise, but with 0% fat" - it's made in Iran O_O
One more day before Agent Orange returns to poison our political environment
Still time to get a last-minute abortion for that special someone in your life.
#travle #767 +0 (Perfect)
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15:15
@CowperKettle Same here.
¡Ahí hay láscicles!
Aye, I lash sickles!
AYEEE! Eyelashcicles!
#WhenTaken #327 (19.01.2025)

I scored 613/1000🎗️

1️⃣📍129 km - 🗓️5 yrs - 🥇189/200
2️⃣📍653 km - 🗓️8 yrs - 🥈169/200
3️⃣📍7.4K km - 🗓️23 yrs - 🥉53/200
4️⃣📍7.5K km - 🗓️21 yrs - 🥉61/200
5️⃣📍580 km - 🗓️19 yrs - 🥈141/200

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@tchrist 12° here at the moment.
Wordle 1,310 5/6

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@M.A.R. Well, if you didn't see it, know this. I was given a great big red x on a comment on the French site, followed by a cross-out of a sentence, followed by a correction. The correction was fine. But I was objecting to the big, red X + the needless line through the sentence. Why should I have my French corrected in that manner and not be able to return the "favor" here? (I only used the red x and listed the mistakes) Now, we can move on.
Here it's 41 degrees, forecasted to drop to 9 degrees tomorrow morning after a massive snowstorm tonight.
@alphabet Going to be 40s today here, but all in all a dismal week ahead. Still, glad I'm not back in Boston.
@Robusto I like the snow. The cold is fine if you mostly stay indoors.
15:27
@alphabet Spoken like a man who never goes out and never has to clear snow.
@Robusto Yes, if I had to drive and didn't live in an apartment complex I'd be a lot less happy about it.
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I smell wrongness. Don't forget to educate your children properly: otherwise they're going to keep saying wrong things. Soap is wholly unnecessary. On the first offence.
Didn't think I was going to get that one.
I'm going to ride today, but I'm damn sure not to like it.
@Lambie Stop stirring the pot. You will learn to turn the other cheek. Disrupting communities in petty acts of retributive vengeance destroys them from within. It will not be permitted. And don't answer this. At all.
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#WhenTaken #327 (19.01.2025)

I scored 865/1000🏆

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2️⃣📍173 km - 🗓️6 yrs - 🥇186/200
3️⃣📍1.9K km - 🗓️15 yrs - 🥉121/200
4️⃣📍33.9 km - 🗓️11 yrs - 🥇180/200
5️⃣📍85.5 m - 🗓️12 yrs - 🥇179/200

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I will be rescheduling some errands that would've required taking the T. Why Boston of all places seems unable to make a train system that works in the winter I do not know.
15:50
@alphabet I wondered that myself for 27 years. Then I moved away.
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No way.
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@jlliagre The associations are quite subtle.
@Robusto I'm hoping they do that congestion pricing thing they've done in NYC and fund the MBTA better. But I doubt there's the political will to do so.
16:05
@Robusto C'est le moins qu'on puisse dire !
@alphabet Quite cool. Plus 5 C.
(There are also probably too many roads into and out of the city center for anyone to set up tolls along all of them.)
@tchrist As I said, it is not petty vengeance. It is just my opinion. Why do you feel it necessary to threaten me like that? Have your feelings never been hurt?
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> There is a sumptuous variety about the New England weather that compels the stranger’s admiration—and regret. The weather is always doing something there; always attending strictly to business; always getting up new designs and trying them on the people to see how they will go.
A rare actual quote from Mark Twain.
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Daily Sequence Octordle #1091
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Tightrope, a daily trivia game | Britannica

Jan. 19, 2025

T I G H T R O P E
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My Score: 1860
@Lambie Exactly what part of "DO NOT ANSWER THIS. AT ALL." did you fail to understand? You are being disruptive. Take a vacation.
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Strands #322
“I get the message”
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OP -- I've appended a note to the end of the question so that the close-vote gang won't try to mark this as a duplicate. Nothing wrong with the question, of course! — alphabet 2 mins ago
If they close it anyway, Imma call in the feds.
If they can call the Juggalos a gang, surely they can look into ELU close-voters.
 
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@Robusto I have to do that regularly and I still prefer snow
Part of it 'cause it snows very occasionally here. But also because you can't shed your skin when the weather is too hot but you can wear extra layers when it's too cold
It just seems perfectly rational to prefer cold over hot days to me
The traditional medicine bozos say you like warm weather since you have cold 'proclivity', for the lack of a better term
@CowperKettle oh, I kinda like Kalleh products. But I don't dare imagine what that sauce contains instead of fat
20:29
Can't wear fleece-lined sweatshirts in the summer. Though later this week might be "entire face starts hurting when you step outside" weather.
21:15
@M.A.R. Ah, so it's a good brand name! I should try it out.
I'm again afraid to open personal messages.
@alphabet Yeah, the same here - I'm thinking of buying a helmet with a transparent visor, but I"m afraid it would get all misty and opaque during bicycle rides.
There are specialized electric warmers for visors to keep them clear in a cold weather, but that means spending more money, and lugging yet another powerbank, this time attached to one's helmet :))
21:46
When do people start using their trampolines more?
Spring time.
@alphabet I see the resemblance. Both are ICP aficionados.
BTW, aren't you a bit young to be using such '90s terms?
22:04
Normal weather will return tomorrow.
@CowperKettle Wildfire risk: low.
22:47
Strands #322
“I get the message”
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@CowperKettle Is that -21 during the day, maximum temperature?
@CowperKettle Quite possibly!
@Robusto OK I suppose that matches your name.
23:45
@Robusto Whoa! That band is way older than I'd thought--they started in 1989?? I first learned about them because of the insane controversy around the song "Miracles" (2010) and then about their March on Washington (2017). I'd assumed that they'd formed sometime in the late 2000s.
(Well, the "controversy" was more "publicity, some of it negative.")
Nobody truly cares about publicity.
Strands #323
“Curiouser and curiouser!”
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