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@Cerberus I challenged ChatGPT and it immediately got the green one albeit without a fully perfect description. It got 3/4 of the purple set and fails on the rest. Now it is stuck and even if I tell it that it needs to change one the words of the second set, it insists suggesting the same one. I gave it a clue and that doesn't help. At least it doesn't invent words but it's anyway a typical ChatGPT experience. At first, it looks impressive then it behaves a dumb way.
Hah!
I have been wanting to try and have GPT play the game.
I also got green, by the way.
In two tries. But by sheer luck, I had no idea what the category could be.
Thoughts on "mama" vs. "momma"? Are they interchangeable or do they have different connotations?
Green is hard enough to be purple!
Yes, I had no clear idea about the difficulty of each.
@Cerberus Let's call it intuition. ChatGPT is lacking it.
It is indeed.
@jlliagre SPOILER
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That's what I was afraid of!
Okay, I brute-forced blue, but I knew only one of those. And I wouldn't have thought of that anyway.
I brute-forced purple, and it gave me a category description I do not understand. A term I do not know.
Okay, I looked it up. Not something I would ever be able to guess.
@Cerberus There's a typo in the description.
As for yellow, I don't know what the category is about. I suspect it may be SPOILER but then I just wouldn't know any of them.
@Cerberus There's something true.
The name of the game
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@alphabet it's the same in Iran. Except for emergency, which is 12 hours only, but much tougher than the 36-hr shifts elsewhere
@Robusto I'm almost afraid to ask: What did he say or do this time?
@GratefulDisciple oh, that's an MAR-only abbreviation. Sorry. You're in breach of copyright
@M.A.R. Everything. I was making a joke, because he obviously wasn't Mr. Nice Guy last time, but everything points to this time being absolutely invidious.
@Robusto I should think so. Everyone is exhausted from fighting him and his gremlin fanboys
@M.A.R. Don't even get me started. I'm sooooo tired of this and he isn't even sworn in yet.
@M.A.R. The emir plied him with cheeseburgers.
It's absurd that he may have helped achieve this ceasefire because everyone was so scared of having to negotiate with him post-inauguration.
Congrats, you made it. If you believe it was too hard by not following the usual guidelines, I'll try to create another one closer to them. I found this on Reddit:
A lot of people seem to think the colors are about difficulty. They're actually about how straightforward they deem the category, and there's a pretty clear pattern. (This is all based on memory, so there are probably common themes I'm leaving out, but this is the gist.) Yellow is almost always synonyms. Even if the words are obscure, synonyms will still be yellow. A second synonym category will be green, but green is often membe
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@jlliagre I think that description is mostly accurate; I would say blue is often collocations.
Maybe it is not hard for others, but it's just not my kind of puzzle. What I like about the puzzles is using intuition about the content of the language, and about knowledge of the word. The mathy/letter-kind-of puzzles are just not my preferred genre, I usually don't really like purple.
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@Robusto So what I gather from this video is that beginners can be replaced by GPT, but not advanced/experienced programmers.
Word of the day: hip hopera. "A rap opera or hip hopera is a musical work in hip hop style with operatic form.'
Ugh.
One can find a few attestations of the adjective form hip-hoperatic.
Only one of hip-hoperatically, though.
@Cerberus Somewhat, yeah, but there's still time to get to be advanced/experienced. I don't know what things are like in your country, but there is a lot of development going on here, smaller shops that really need help.
Who could use beginners?
01:14
Presumably you could check the job listings in your area.
Yeah.
I could ask around on fora, too.
Job hunting is the worst.
So I can imagine.
At least I have savings.
Are you looking for jobs?
01:19
No, not at present
My current job is...fine.
OK, that is more than many others can say.
What do you do?
Software engineering.
You can measure my general productivity level by the number of posts I make here during work hours.
Positive correlation, no doubt.
This room gives sublime inspiration.
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@alphabet I never found it to be so bad. Not even in the Great Recession of 2008-9, when the firm I worked for outsourced all the tech jobs to India, I was working at a better job in under three weeks.
@Robusto I don't mean that jobs are particularly hard to find; I just mean that the whole process is incredibly tedious and annoying.
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Wow, I can't believe I needed no more tries than Xanne.
01:59
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): "Sport" vs "Sports" Origin‭ by Robinson‭ on english.SE
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> Адвокатов Алексея Навального осудили по статье об экстремистском сообществе: Вадим Кобзев получил пять с половиной лет колонии, Алексей Липцер — пять, Игорь Сергунин — три с половиной.
Three of Navalny's lawyers have been sentenced to 5, 5 and 3.5 years of jail for being part of an "extremist organization"
Terrible.
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@Cerberus It looks like we tried the same things in Connections. Anyway, it seems the Netherlands is doing rather well economically. oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2023/01/…
@Xanne Right, the general job market is tight.
So why spend time and effort learning a skill being taken over increasingly by AI? Why not look around at what’s on offer? (At least partly being taken over,)
Do real estate. Or insurance appraisals. Or something in the national archives.
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@Xanne I applied for a job at the city archive. I was one out of 6 remaining candidates out of 60.
The job was about palaeography, but I suspect it might not have been that much fun.
@Xanne This is partly what I would be afraid of.
@Cerberus But you didn’t get it?
Real estate is not a decent field, in my opinion.
@Xanne Nope.
Insurance appraisal, as in, you go to people's houses to estimate the value of their stuff?
But you almost did. So another such position might come up. Or translating—or is AI taking over that, too?
@Cerberus Yes, people’s stuff, but also collections of papers and an institution’s collection of artifacts or papers. It can be very diverse, e.g., a scientist’s experimental laboratory.
It is a lot of work to get credentialed.
Art is a majot part, but other collectibles too.
@Xanne Perhaps a position might come up, but this one seemed somewhat unique. And I think it would not have been a fun job anyway. But, who knows, I could look around.
Literary and official translating won't be taken over by AI, but it pays very poorly anyway.
I can expand my private tutoring.
@Xanne A lot of work, because you'd need a ton of knowledge, right?
My friend suggested that I could teach Dutch to foreigners.
But I don't know how that market is. Demand is high, but supply may be even higher.
I can ask around.
@Cerberus Yes: most people start with art degrees, I think. Every government has different requirements to get a license or one that covers some aspect of it.
Private tutoring sounds good.
03:48
@Xanne Yeah, that is what I would expect, and I know nowhere near enough about that.
You would be amazed at how bad the average person is with computers.
I am getting paid for basically uploading the PDF of a magazine to their website every week.
Very basic, practical stuff in a tiny organisation.
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So there is a market for that.
And then you write a script to automate almost all of it.
 
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Ugh, they're actually banning TikTok? I don't use it, I'm just mad vicariously
(Insert rant about how younger people are massively underrepresented in Congress)
@MetaEd I'm shocked that I didn't do worse than you, and I got purple earlier.
I propose we have China send one of those spy balloons to airdrop us some iPhone jailbreak software.
Or VPN credits. Or whichever way people can bypass it.
05:38
It's hard.
I hate Tiktok.
But I am all for personal freedom.
At least China can't spy on us now. Only good, benevolent American spying.
Yeah.
I quit it because it is, in fact, incredibly addictive.
But this law doesn't do anything to change that.
I have never used it.
What, exactly, does the law say?
As I understand it, TikTok has to sell its business to an American company or get removed from the app stores. And possibly blocked by ISPs.
05:42
OK.
What is the term?
Internet filtering, another great idea from China.
Yeah.
They actually did this five years ago with Grindr--but they did agree to the forced sale.
Tiktok won't agree?
Apparently not.
05:43
Not even if they split off their American branch?
I don't know all the details.
But this is pretty clearly because TikTok's main demographic has near-zero representation in the legislature, in a way that I doubt reflects the age distribution of people qualified to serve there.
It is also the only major social platform that is owned by China, isn't it?
Have you made up for your recent, missed encounter?
This goes into the details about the law's implementation: lawfaremedia.org/article/…
@Cerberus Not at present. Someday.
No hurry.
And don't get me started on the absence of raccoons from the halls of Congress
Imagine if we hunted humans for sport, instead of the other way around. Imagine...
That's definitely the weirdest verse of "Imagine." I still wonder why Lennon wrote it.
Of course, it was excised from the final version, then played backwards at a low volume for subliminal messaging.
06:10
Did it work?
I don't know if the idea was to make humans scared of raccoon liberation, or to make them consider the unfairness of our current system.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username, blacklisted user (165): What's the difference between grammar and syntax?‭ by Green Collect‭ on english.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username, blacklisted user (165): Why does "do you read me" mean "do you hear me"?‭ by Green Collect‭ on english.SE
06:48
> For ten years I have been polishing this sword;
Its frosty edge has never been put to the test.
Now I am holding it and showing it to you, sir:
Is there anyone suffering from injustice?
Youxia poetry of the day.
Youxia were knights-errant in China starting from 200 BC
Qiu Jin, a pro-democracy martyr, called herself 'Female Knight-Errant of Jian Lake'.
 
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@jlliagre Purple was hard this time around.
@Robusto Yes, both green and purple for me.
@MetaEd @Xanne Feel free to try on my first connections.
17:39
Ohaguro (Japanese: お歯黒, pronounced [ohaɡɯɾo], lit. 'black teeth') is the name given in Japan to the custom of blackening one's teeth with a solution of iron filings and vinegar. It was especially popular between the Heian and Edo periods, from the 10th century until the late 19th century, but the opening of the country to Western customs during the Meiji period led to its gradual disappearance. It was a tradition practiced mainly by married women and some men, almost always members of the aristocracy and samurai. In addition to Japanese society's preference for black teeth, it was also considered...
Japanese of the day.
@CowperKettle Literally "tooth black", not "black teeth." 歯 is tooth and 黒 is black. QED
18:03
> It was also a demonstration of civilization, as there was an idea that white teeth belonged to animals, savages, and evil spirits,[10] especially because of the presence of large protruding canines in all of them.[47]
Take that!
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May 8, 2013 at 21:41, by Robusto
Animé proves that the Japanese are not only stranger than we imagine, but stranger than we can imagine.
Substitute "black teeth" for anime and the party goes on.
True.
And I would say the rest of East Asia too?
@Cerberus Probably, though Japanese live on islands, which gives them more aptness to be weird.
I was suspended for pointing out English language mistakes in this chat? It was inappropriate? Hmm. Well, I hope that whoever did that feels good about themself.
19:06
@Robusto Just like your ancestors on the British Isles?
@Lambie When did that happen, link?
@Cerberus I don't believe I have any ancestors there. Mine were all continental Europeans, like you.
19:24
@Robusto I mean all the British Isle inhabitants also had ancestors from the continent.
@Mitch Well, if your argument is that there was a land bridge there during and after the ice ages, sure. But what's your point? I'm talking about culture, not genealogy.
@Cerberus I don't have a link. It was like 45 minutes ago. for 30 minutes.
19:49
@Robusto in Blue Eye Samurai it's implied that by 1630s women reviled the practice and it was depicted as another symbol of subservience for one of the main characters who has to marry into an Edo-based clan. How true is it you think?
@M.A.R. Well, you have to look at the whole samurai thing as a palimpsest upon which everyone gets to write their own imaginings. Much the way we look at the age of chivalry, and so forth. The reality has been written, and probably lasts as long as those who experienced it. After that it becomes the stuff of dreams.
@Lambie if a chat message is removed due to six accumulated flags a 30-min auto-suspension is issued to the person who posted it. It's an imperfect system since a flagged message is shown to people around the whole chat without any context. So no one suspended you but six random people agreed that your message, whatever it was, was offensive.
The first one set off the chain, but you can't know who it is unless you were busy having a heated argument with someone
Either way I have popcorn ready
The recent show Shogun is extolled for being more "realistic" than the previous one was, and it's certainly more realistic than the Tom Cruise movie about the end of samurai, and so forth, but is it realistic? And the answer is: probably about as much as any other piece of fiction, but at this point the reality is probably unattainable, and anyway unacceptable in a fictional piece.
@Robusto fair point. The whole show did sound a bit too 'modern-westernized' in its worldview, unlike Shogun, which felt closer to the real thing
Oh jinx
@Robusto The Last Samurai is entertaining enough. I like the Hans Zimmer soundtrack the most. Otherwise if you stop to think about it does feel like a jingoistic fever dream after snorting weed while watching Kung Fu Panda
I suppose 'hard sci-fi' and 'realistic TV shows' are appealing in their own way.
@M.A.R. It was the age-old white-guy-enters-foreign-culture-and-rises-to-prominence story, like Dances With Wolves, A Man Called Horse, and on and on.
If you want to see a Japanese film that displays actual Japanese culture of 100 years ago, try this one:
In the Realm of the Senses (French: L'Empire des sens, Japanese: 愛のコリーダ, Ai no Korīda, "Bullfight of Love") is a 1976 erotic art film written and directed by Nagisa Ōshima. It is a fictionalised and sexually explicit treatment of a 1936 murder committed by Sada Abe. An international coproduction of France and Japan, the film generated great controversy at the time of its release. The film had the involvement of pink film luminary Kōji Wakamatsu as co-screenwriter and assistant producer. While intended for mainstream wide release, the film contains scenes of unsimulated sexual activity between the...
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It's based on a true story, but it's worth remembering what I said before: still it is fiction.
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@Robusto the Saxons and Celts didn't just walk across.
> I'm talking about culture, not genealogy.
Culture comes with people as.much as ancestors up does.
@Mitch My original point was that isolation removes things from the rest of the world, and so breeds its own peculiarities. Do you take issue with that?
Obviously England was not anywhere near as isolated as Japan was.
Nitpicking has evolved as a principal part of ELU chat culture. Due to isolation.
Look at the evolution of wildlife in Australia and New Zealand. The same is true, perhaps even more so, with human culture.
@M.A.R. And other weirdnesses.
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> GDP at current prices.
1994
🇯🇵 Japan: $5 trillion
🇮🇳 India: $0.32 trillion
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🇯🇵 Japan: $4.07 trillion
🇮🇳 India: $3.89 trillion
@CowperKettle India has what, 16 times more people than Japan? And they're still not ahead?
Yes
I've been listening to a biography of Shakespeare. I learned that another great playwright of the age, Christopher Marlowe, had a sister who married at the age of 12 and died at the age of 13 just after giving birth to a boy. The boy also died.
Christopher Marlowe ( MAR-loh; baptised 26 February 1564 – 30 May 1593), also known as Kit Marlowe, was an English playwright, poet, and translator of the Elizabethan era. Marlowe is among the most famous of the Elizabethan playwrights. Based upon the "many imitations" of his play Tamburlaine, modern scholars consider him to have been the foremost dramatist in London in the years just before his mysterious early death. Some scholars also believe that he greatly influenced William Shakespeare, who was baptised in the same year as Marlowe and later succeeded him as the preeminent Elizabethan playwright...
> Jayne's husband was likely the John Moore born in 1559 at Ulcombe, some 20 miles west of Canterbury, who would have been aged around 23 when he married Jayne. His sister Ursula Moore had already married Thomas Arthur,9 Katherine Marlowe's brother, which would make the Moore siblings Christopher's aunt and brother-in-law.
> John Moore would soon remarry after Jayne's death, but appears to have still been fondly remembered over twenty years later by Katherine, who bequeathed him 40 shillings and "the joyne presse that standeth in the greate chamber where I lye" in her will.
Shakespeare attended school for about 7 years, with lessons starting often before dawn and lasting often till after sunset.
This is.. something.
The book says they learned mostly Latin there. Almost no maths etc.
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@CowperKettle Not to mention computer science ;-)
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I don't know if there was phys ed
> William Shakespeare did not have physical education as part of his schooling. During Shakespeare's time, the curriculum at grammar schools, such as the King's New School in Stratford-upon-Avon, primarily focused on classical studies, particularly Latin, grammar, and rhetoric.
(Perplexity AI)
> In King Lear, Kent refers to Oswald as a "base football player," using the sport to insult him. This mention emphasizes the rough nature of football and its cultural context within the play
(same)
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> I'm all sulci because my brain isn't smooth.
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@M.A.R. You didn't provide sufficient warning that you hold that copyright. You could have written GT® or GT℠ or GT™ or GT © 2025 M.A.R. . See how to use copyright symbols correctly.
22:43
> According to Circular 38a of the U.S. Copyright Office, Iran has no official copyright relations whatsoever with the United States. Published works originating in Iran thus are not copyrighted in the United States, regardless of the local copyright laws of these countries.
@Mitch Again (along with your other recent observations), I agree with you completely. It's sobering that looking back to some of my acts in my 20s that what I thought to be rational decisions then I would now acknowledge to be clouded with irrational subconscious desires or self-hijacking contrarian will that was not good for me (both of which I'm now much more aware that I shouldn't want to be part of me).
@alphabet Thank you for being an amicus curiae in my legal dispute with @M.A.R.
@GratefulDisciple Only because an amicus Kyriou isn't admissible in court.
Curios being weird like that.
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Hong Xiuquan, the leader of the Christianity-inspired Taiping Rebellion, declared that the book was his favorite reading.
Henry Alfred Krishnapillai's magnum opus, Ratchanya Yaathrigam (The Journey of Salvation) is an adaptation of The Pilgrim's Progress in the Tamil language and is considered one of the finest Tamil literary works of the 19th century.
> sneeze: From Middle English snesen (“to sneeze”), alteration of earlier fnesen (“to sneeze”), from Old English fnēosan (“to sneeze, snort”), from Proto-West Germanic *fneusan, from Proto-Germanic *fneusaną, from Proto-Indo-European *pnew- (“to breathe, pant, snort, sneeze”).
pneuma (air) - pnew (to breathe) - fnesen (to sneeze) - sneeze

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