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BTW, the WWW above has an extension: "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach; and those who can't teach, teach gym."
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@Robusto Exactly.
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I have absolutely no idea about purple, got it by luck.
Blue I was thinking of the right category but only knew two terms.
Both categories are bad imho.
19:24
@Cerberus I only know 1 term of blue (spoiler) and 2 terms of purple (spoiler).
@Cerberus Yeah, the answer to that one never occurred to me either.
@Robusto Groundhog day is coming up, I have been wanting to try spoiler.
@GratefulDisciple Not sure what you mean.
@GratefulDisciple Noted.
19:41
@GratefulDisciple Right! I SPOILER. I may have heard of what you said about that one purple term but definitely not the others.
@Robusto That helps.
Tchrist would have some choice words for that purple.
19:56
@GratefulDisciple I don't know about that, but they figured in myths, and were regularly invoked.
@Mitch Hmm what have we established?
I do agree that fight scenes in commercial entertainment are usually quite silly.
@GratefulDisciple Ah, so most formative years in Indonesia, some in America.
20:16
Menzerath's law, also known as the Menzerath–Altmann law (named after Paul Menzerath and Gabriel Altmann), is a linguistic law according to which the increase of the size of a linguistic construct results in a decrease of the size of its constituents, and vice versa. For example, the longer a sentence (measured in terms of the number of clauses), the shorter the clauses (measured in terms of the number of words), or: the longer a word (in syllables or morphs), the shorter the syllables or morphs in sounds. == History == In the 19th century, Eduard Sievers observed that vowels in short words are...
> Menzerath's law is shown to be true for both the base-exon-gene levels in the human genome,[15] and base-chromosome-genome levels in genomes from a collection of species.[16]
> In 2016, a research group at the University of Michigan found that gelada vocalizations obey Menzerath's law, observing that calls are abbreviated when used in longer sequences.
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Word of the day: answerphone. (British) Answering machine.
@MetaEd I am shocked!
But also—and I hope you will forgive me—, relieved, that I'm not the only one who disliked blue and purple.
Such a sad smiley face.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at beginning of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (40): To make people get used to and accept the bad by showing them the worse‭ by cyno‭ on english.SE
New research using AI reveals cats mirror each other's facial expressions during friendly interactions, suggesting they're more social than previously thought. jpost.com/science/article-837237
20:49
I have always been surprised whenever I read that cats are supposedly completely solitary.
21:23
@Cerberus that's my lack of culture fu.
@Cerberus For what it's worth, my getting blue right off the bat was sheer luck. I just took a flyer and fortune smiled on me.
@MetaEd The opposite, I would say.
@Robusto I was lucky to get blue too (though not until I was all but dead).
21:49
@Cerberus Maybe establish is a bit strong. We confirmed each other's opinion that fight scenes tend to the meaningless. I amended with the qualification that they attempt to have the same emotional arc as sports (which exists but is simple up-down).
@Cerberus To be clear the blue and purple look great next to each other.
@Mitch Oh, I agree with that, and the comparison with watching sport is well put.
@Mitch Somehow I don't remember that conversation?
@CowperKettle Why is AI involved? Or are they just using 'fancy' statistics?
@CowperKettle How about nations more densely populated than Sichuan?
Or than the island of Java?
21:52
@CowperKettle Maybe you've heard that playing the game Tetris relieves some symptoms of PTSD.
Unless England wants to become independent...
@Mitch Because of attention.
OK, step right up, folks, and try on my NEW CONNECTION.
@Mitch Yes, I heard that!
I should re-read that
@Robusto Oh!
@Cerberus It was not too long ago... past couple to five years?
21:54
@Robusto Is knowledge of commercial entertainment required?
@Mitch That is nothing, in our history.
Can you refind it?
@Cerberus Nope.
(Why doesn't English have a normal verb like refind??)
@Cerberus Too much confusion with refined?
Hmmm perhaps.
@Robusto OK, nice. I will need to Google some terms!
I think about it a lot because I emotionally get caught up in a fight scene, but then realize the things that happen in the fight scene are essentially (usually) meaningless for the plot as a whole, and could be replaced by a one sentence narrative "Protagonist and antagonist have fisticuffs, one of them loses or there's a draw". ie nothing that happens in a fight means anything other than "The person I'm rooting for scored" or "that person got scored against"
21:57
Like Lizzie Borden.
@Mitch Exactly this!!
Shoot-outs or wrestling or sword fights are like that.
No analysis needed or possible, and nothing to be learned which is relevant to the story.
@Cerberus I was just explaining somewhere else that 'attention' is the name of a very particular AI technique, and that name is meaningless to the function (unless you think of correlation coefficients as the meaning, but that ain't 'attention')
It is different, for me, when it is e.g. a space fight that is well thought out.
@Mitch Also annoying.
@Cerberus It's all very meaningful to the participant and if you identify with them, but it's still just a stock market ticker.
@Robusto I like the green category. I actually think requiring Google is not bad for the game, it might even deepen it a bit.
@Mitch Exactly!
This.
If there is enough analysis possible of the fight for it to make sense and elicit tactical thinking by the reader or viewer, then it becomes functional/interesting.
@Cerberus I aimed that category right at you. nods
22:03
Yay.
#WhenTaken #323 (15.01.2025)

I scored 903/1000👑

1️⃣📍10.3 m - 🗓️0 yrs - 🥇200/200
2️⃣📍4.5 km - 🗓️10 yrs - 🥇185/200
3️⃣📍208 m - 🗓️9 yrs - 🥇187/200
4️⃣📍429 km - 🗓️22 yrs - 🥈134/200
5️⃣📍749 m - 🗓️3 yrs - 🥇197/200

https://whentaken.com
I don't see any of the others yet, though.
@jlliagre I should play this game again as well, it's fun.
@Cerberus I have nothing against it.
Right.
OK yellow works too!
Oct 17, 2022 at 18:35, by Cerberus
The only fight scenes I find dumb are hand-to-hand and shooting fights. Those are for the dull witted.
above and below that
22:10
Oh, I wasn't mild.
of course it's only a couple offhand remarks we both made and that was the entire convo.
Who is that mean person regularly hacking into my account?
By the way, I detest the abbreviation 'convo' for conversation.
But I can't deny it's utility.
Daily Octordle #1087
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Damn, got caught in a 4/5 or this coulda been decent.
Re off hand remarks making a big impression, it's like if when JFK was a kid, he annoyed someone and they replied "oh you're sure a jerk, why don't you fly to the moon?" and then he just made it so.
@Cerberus I know. They need to chill.
22:14
Oct 17, 2022 at 19:41, by Mitch
@Cerberus It's all exciting. But afterwards, on reflection, they seem idiotic as far as plot devices go. Like mentioned before, it's like sports, there's just an up and down 'it's going good/it's going bad' arc all about who wins in the end. ie the plot of a fight is encapsulated in the score. and that's it.
@Mitch Oh, is it a rotation of villains?
@Cerberus maybe it's a person of unknown gender?
It's multiple people until a choice is made and the waveform collapses.
May it collapse into an infinitely small point.
Did you know (stop me if you've heard this before) that Schrödinger came up with the cat allegory as a way to show how ridiculous it would be for quantum effects to express themselves at macro levels. Everybody has been taking his joke seriously.
@Robusto I got blue! I sensed a connection, but I didn't entirely understand the explanation. SPOILER
@Mitch I disagree with your distaste for the ending of Ronin. I mean, how ya gonna end it anyway? BTW, the script is by David Mamet and he somehow always gets things right, not to mention having the best ear for dialogue since Robert Towne. Maybe even better.
@Cerberus In answer to your question: just because ...
Because they're not called that exactly.
22:19
@Mitch Hmm why would anyone expect those to be expressed at macro-level? And how have people taken it seriously?
@Robusto Hmm not sure I follow.
@Robusto 1) I did not know that David Mamet wrote it. 2) I think maybe the skating rink itself intuitively is out of place for me? Maybe because it was too... bright?
Hard to articulate.
@Mitch It's OK. You don't need an explanation.
People constantly invoke the dead/not dead cat in a box when anything quantum comes up.
@Robusto goddammit if I'm being vague and inchoate, I better damn well be able to say clearly and exactly and in what way I'm being vague and/or inchoate or some other third thing.
The film built up such a good store of awesomeness and tension that it needed a commensurate climax.
@Cerberus Call it caprice.
Hmm.
Well, at least I got it.
22:25
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Now purple I do not see, will probably just have to input it without understanding.
@jlliagre Try my latest.
It is a bit hard!
33 mins ago, by Robusto
OK, step right up, folks, and try on my NEW CONNECTION.
I have a feeling that purple may be a kind of morphological or phonetic game of sorts.
22:33
No comment.
OK I tried it, that's hard!
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@jlliagre Good effort!
@Cerberus You did it!
@jlliagre You were really set on blue!
Green I actually understood, with some Googling.
Then I also understood yellow, with some thinking and elimination.
Blue I understood kind of SPOILER, though probably not exactly as intended.
22:45
@jlliagre When you're up against that blue wall, you might want to think about taking a different tack.
Purple I would never have thought of, even though I know the terms involved.
All in all, +1.
Thanks.
@Robusto I understood the blue set a different way than expected which was incompatible with the fourth. I tried every other choice before selecting it. Miracles must be balanced with anti-miracles.
I obviously needed to google to get the green.
22:54
@jlliagre No shame in that.
Yellow was easier when only 8 choices were left.
Purple, no way.
@Robusto How did you get WhenTaken #1 location?
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@jlliagre SPOILER
Tightrope, a daily trivia game | Britannica

Jan. 15, 2025

T I G H T R O P E
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My Score: 220
OK playing When Taken now.
Is the first photo the arch?
I do not remember this arch.
@Robusto Ah Okay. Spoiler
@Cerberus It is.
23:05
OK.
1: 1 year off, 597 km.
@jlliagre Would you say SPOILER
@Cerberus I already did :-)
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@jlliagre I assure you, SPOILER!
@jlliagre OK, interesting!
23:20
Daily Octordle #1087
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Daily Sequence Octordle #1087
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2: 5 years off, 8792 km away.
Nooo my first guess was correct.
But I thought it was too obvious.
@Cerberus Yes, It happens sometimes.
3 is so ugly.
There is no architecture, it is a could-be-anywhere, or a 'non-place', as I believe Alain de Botton calls it.
23:30
I found a hint.
A big one?
I have some ideas.
@Cerberus About 60 x 15 cm.
Oh, I also see SPOILER
3: 4 years off, 14 km.
Ugh for 4, my first guess was correct again.
4: 2 years off, 1605 km.
@jlliagre Oh, really? I didn't see that!
23:39
In English.
Hmm.
I see that.
So apparently you know this word's origin.
@jlliagre Because this is a not a SPOILER.
5 is very obvious, of course.
@Robusto It's hard; should have guessed yellow sooner, the blue I was thinking of something else, and the green was FUN:
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OK.
I guessed the right city anyway.
@GratefulDisciple Ditto.
23:46
5: 0 years off, 2 km.
#WhenTaken #323 (15.01.2025)

I scored 832/1000🏅

1️⃣📍597 km - 🗓️1 yrs - 🥇181/200
2️⃣📍8.8K km - 🗓️5 yrs - 🥉100/200
3️⃣📍14.4 km - 🗓️4 yrs - 🥇195/200
4️⃣📍1.6K km - 🗓️2 yrs - 🥈156/200
5️⃣📍1.9 km - 🗓️0 yrs - 🥇200/200

https://whentaken.com
If I had followed my first guess on 2 and 4, I would have had a nice score.
My years were surprisingly close.
2 hours ago, by jlliagre
#WhenTaken #323 (15.01.2025)

I scored 903/1000👑

1️⃣📍10.3 m - 🗓️0 yrs - 🥇200/200
2️⃣📍4.5 km - 🗓️10 yrs - 🥇185/200
3️⃣📍208 m - 🗓️9 yrs - 🥇187/200
4️⃣📍429 km - 🗓️22 yrs - 🥈134/200
5️⃣📍749 m - 🗓️3 yrs - 🥇197/200

https://whentaken.com
I'm 12 years off in total.
2.4 years off on average.
But not good enough!
@Cerberus I performed poorly with the years (44 in total) but I only missed #4, and not by too much.
As in, number 4 could have been by off 40 years?
@Cerberus I mean my year avg error is 8.8.
By "only missed #4", I mean the distance.
I got 4 cities on 5.
Ah, OK.
And even 4 is not extremely far off.
@Cerberus Spoiler
@Cerberus Yes, I got the country.
23:58
@jlliagre SPOILER
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