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@Cerberus Right! But the last one can't rhyme, like Fred.
We had triplets in school with rhyming names and no one could ever tell them apart.
People give up after two.
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I'm content about my Octordle performance but miscontent again about connexions.
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@HippoSawrUs I wonder why parents would do that.
@jlliagre Aww.
Have you ever tried dictionary look-ups to help you?
I trust my French.
I trust your French too.
It's listed :-)
@Cerberus Oh, you were talking about Connections. Yes, I do it sometimes but not enough. The meaning used in the game might also be missing from mainstream dictionaries.
@jlliagre furiously writing angry letter to have it removed
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@jlliagre Yay! Mécontent?
I suspect mé- and mis- are related?
The same Germanic praefix?
@Cerberus Right.
@Cerberus Mé- is very likely to come from Frankish, yes.
== French == === Alternative forms === mé- (before a consonant) mes- (obsolete, until 18th century; was used before vowels as well as consonants) === Etymology === Inherited from Middle French mes-, from Old French mes- (“badly, wrongly”), from Frankish *missa-, from Proto-Germanic *missa- (“divergent, amiss, astay”), ultimately from Proto-Indo-European *mey-t(h₂)- (“to swap, exchange”). Akin to Old English mis- (“mis-”), Gothic 𐌼𐌹𐍃𐍃𐌰- (missa-), Old High German missa- (“mis-”). More at mis-. === Pronunciation === IPA(key): /mez/ === Prefix === més- (before a vowel) mis- (badl...
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Ha ha, nobody thinks like I do :-)
@Mitch Yes, tell them you are very miscontent.
@jlliagre Just as I thought.
@jlliagre Congratulations! Connections?
Yes.
> [I]n this region [Mesopotamia] nomadism really did attempt, and really did to a very considerable degree succeed in its attempt, to stamp a settled civilized system out of existence. When Jengis Khan first invaded China, we are told that there was a serious discussion among the Mongol chiefs whether all the towns and settled populations should not be destroyed. To these simple practitioners of the open-air life the settled populations seemed corrupt, crowded, vicious, effeminate, dangerous, and incomprehensible; a detestable human efflorescence upon what would otherwise have been good pas
> the city of Hamadan in modern-day Iran was destroyed and every man, woman, and child executed by Mongol general Subadai, after surrendering to him but failing to have enough provisions for his Mongol scouting force. Several days after the initial razing of the city, Subadai sent a force back to the burning ruins and the site of the massacre to kill any inhabitants of the city who had been away at the time of the initial slaughter and had returned in the meantime.
01:29
@Cerberus they were rich and they liked Shah. That was enough. Though I'm sure some ambitious nutjob somewhere sure brought up a religious angle too
@M.A.R. OK, so why did you mention these families?
Did they do anything?
4 hours ago, by M.A.R.
That was mostly a bunch of wealthy Jewish families though
@Cerberus as examples of people prejudiced against possibly based on their religion
I don't know what "that" refers to.
I'm saying the real crimes against religious minorities had already happened by then
Maybe it's because I'm tired haha.
But I still don't understand the Jewish families.
They were prejudiced against religious minorities and they helped the Shah to do something bad?
01:36
@Cerberus the broad strokes are right, but present day Iran spans a large geographical area and usually Azerbaijan and thereabouts (including Caucus) followed their own history and Khorasan and thereabouts their own. So it's debatable which count as 'Iranian history'. Also I think you missed a couple of dynasties and some shall we say misc kings
@Cerberus well my thought process was: I'm not proud of what some Iranians did in the past. One of those things was prejudice against religious minorities, including participating in the Armenian genocide. And that said genocide must not be the only example, just the famous one, as Iran was already almost entirely Muslim by the time mullahs got from soft to hard power
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@M.A.R. Yes, of course.
There are some hiatus.
And I had to choose some major empires, not all the various states that existed in what is now Iran.
@M.A.R. Yeah, sure, any state in history did brutal things.
@Cerberus I bet only you can hear that with its long u from the 4th declension plural. :) But it used to be anybody educated could, and the OED lists yours as the first possible plural form, with the less common version the native English one.
In the 17th century they used neither hiatus nor hiatuses but hiatus’s for the nominative plural. SHUDDERS
> 1563 These holes called Hiatus, differ from wyde gapinges, in nothing, but that they be lesse, & therfore seeme..depe pittes, or holes, and not..gaping. —W. Fulke, Goodly Gallerye Causes of Meteors ii. f. 17ᵛ
1613 To forewarne the Reader of the hiatus in our aduersaries collections. —T. Jackson, Eternall Truth of Scriptures ii. xix. §6
1675 He saw two Openings or Hiatus in the Earth. —R. Burthogge, Cavsa Dei 319
I refuse to copy the apostrophically heretical examples hither.
I am deeply sorry about the green line. I'm pretty sure those cannot be a misspelling of Haïti the country.
Clearly the proctologists have something very wrong stuck up somewhere deeply inside them.
In Spanish it is regular and still masculine: el hiato, los hiatos /el ˈɟʝato/, /los ˈʝatos/.
Notice how they list diéresis as a synonym of hiato, albeit that's of course only for the phonetic sense.
02:21
@tchrist That sounds almost like...Dutch.
@tchrist People too lazy too look it up.
But it seems the relative frequency of plural hiatus has increased?
@Cerberus I found that curious myself.
> 1. m. Solución de continuidad, interrupción o separación espacial o temporal.
2. m. Anat. Hendidura, fisura.
3. m. Fon. y Métr. Secuencia de dos vocales que se pronuncian en sílabas distintas. Ant.: diptongo.
4. m. Métr. Disolución de una sinalefa, por licencia poética, para alargar un verso. Sin.: dialefa, azeuxis, diéresis.
5. m. p. us. Abertura, grieta.
I wouldn't draw too many conclusions based on Ngrams.
Indeed not.
Did anyone watch the social linguistics video I posted?
I didn't see it but I normally don't watch videos, sorry.
02:25
ok, np
But feel free to post any interesting conclusions here.
Will do.
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I would never have got purple, though.
Good point.
Middle management suffers from the kiss up and kick down syndrome.
 
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@Cerberus 'Cept for 'Merica. Merica is all-time best country in the world and I know that because they say it on TV a lot.
What else is on the telly?
The space lasers are acting up again.
Star wars?
Maybe throw a few dogs in their air and they will reactivate.
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Quite warm for January 10.
05:36
@Cerberus Presumably the same thing that happened to Jews across the entire region, i.e. immigrating to Israel due to some complicated mixture of choice and coercion.
@alphabet I didn't understand why they were mentioned.
@Cerberus Haven't you heard cerb there are no more stray dogs in 'merica, they've all been eaten by immigrants.
@alphabet Oh, nice.
Is she still around?
@handan_toddler Yum!
Take some pets, then.
@Cerberus Of course, and now she wants to buy the Jewish space lasers--to keep out the Mexicans: msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/shows/top-stories/blog/rcna148452
> Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene introduced a slew of amendments to the bills Wednesday, including one that directs funding for the "development of space laser technology on the southwest border." [...] Greene also suggested that Israel already has this space laser technology.
05:42
At least she is taking politics seriously.
Imagine Johnson needing to add a line about space lasers to every bill if he wants to keep the speakership.
I almost feel bad for him, herding cats all day.
Phrase of the day: to be away with the fairies. (UK, humorous) "to behave in a way that is slightly strange."
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Got it in a weird order.
 
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#WhenTaken #318 (10.01.2025)

I scored 876/1000🏆

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad ip for hostname in answer, blacklisted website in answer (191): Company that owns software‭ by lunasora‭ on english.SE
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@tchrist Well that's reasonable, but double duty is exactly what all of the "fused" constructions in CGEL involve. The case (not actually) in point here, is that of "fused relative clauses" or "free relatives". Here, the wh-word is a Prenucleus within the NP and also its Head. Note that this does not, surprisingly perhaps, involve it being part of two different constituents. It does however, mean that its case may be thought of as deriving from two different sources.
@tchrist The Head of an NP gets its case from the grammatical relations (aka 'syntactic function') of that NP in relation to the larger clause/phrase it appears in. However, in contrast, a Prenucleus gets its case from the syntactic function of the gap in the following relative clause.
@tchrist And the evidence seems to back this analysis up (even Lawler ran with it). Note that in your last example "To whoever wants this, I wish you the best of luck!" (which does involve a fused relative NP, not an interrogative clause), you could have had whomever too!
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@Araucaria-Him Not in my brain, I cannot. I simply cannot ever use whomever as a subject. It rankles.
@Araucaria-Him I never think of poor as a noun in The newly poor are always hungry. It's just that the noun has gone missing. I can't modify noun with newly after all.
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@tchrist But is's not the Subject, it's the head pronoun in the NP serving as the object of the preposition to!
@tchrist No, quite. No disagreement there!
@Araucaria-Him You are not supposed to look inside a constituent to apply rules from outside of that constituent to one piece within that constituent, not even to its head. This is the nonsense that makes people mistakenly think that Dancing is a noun in Dancing the limbo convincingly is challenging for senior citizens.
13:49
@tchrist What an odd claim to make. Consider "The dog was there" and "The dogs were there" where the verb agrees with the head noun in the NP, as it always must.
14:15
I have now, just barely, accumulated enough reputation to become a "trusted user."
Unrelated:
This is something that perplexed me reading CGEL recently. To me, "The car needs its oil changing" sounds not just wrong but completely nonsensical. Usually, when my intuitions differ from H&P that much, it's because the construction is valid in BrE but not AmE. But I wasn't able to find any source saying that this is a difference between dialects. — alphabet Aug 14, 2023 at 17:03
Have I just never noticed sentences like this before, or should I add to my list of AmE/BrE differences CGEL doesn't mention?
@Araucaria-Him Passing cars is easy but passing inspections are rare.
@Araucaria-Him I'm trying to avoid falling into the heresy of all those gerund lies they tell people who do not understand syntactic constituents, only parts of speech. But perhaps there is no hope.
@Cerberus Me neither (or should I say "Neither would I")? Learn something new though, and I don't think you would complain on this purple. The blue one I can only get after eliminating the yellow and green, even so it was a guess.
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@alphabet Congratulations! It takes you only 2 years, quite fast!
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@alphabet Tough sledding these days, now that the shine is off all the SE sites.
@Cerberus I agree that newly founded country (like Indonesia in 1945), full of idealism, still need to develop her "CV" under the banner of the new identity symbolized by its flag, songs, official national narratives, etc.
The Indonesian vision inculcated in me was that it's a fragile unity encompassing the inheritance of dozens (some centuries-old) cultures in the land offering their best "CV" to the young nation, which is encapsulated in its 5 principles of national ethic Pancasila that until today I can recite from memory. So to a kid, the "pride of being Indonesian" lies in living out that national ethic cherishing the memory of the founders.
It was then easy for me to translate this vision to America, knowing that it's a land of immigrants as the agglomeration of generations of various cultures migrating to America: British, French, Dutch, Germans, Spanish, Portuguese, Mexicans, Irish, Italians, Norwegians, Danish, Russians, Armenians, Iranians, Jewish, Greek, Ukranians, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Indonesians, etc. offering our distinctiveness to add to the "melting pot", continuing the vision of the American founders.
#WhenTaken #318 (10.01.2025)

I scored 679/1000🎗️

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@Cerberus My question to you: isn't preservation of cultural heritage already an act (a deed) of your personal participation? For example: the French people's participation in the renovation of the Notre Dame Cathedral, even though it's merely in the form of paying taxes allocated to the repair? Isn't going / supporting / performing in Alles over Bach project by De Nederlandse Bachvereniging is already an act of preservation and continuing the tradition?
@jlliagre You made it!
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@Robusto I struggled for the first category.
Just remember: there is no "first" category. Follow the line of least resistance.
@Cerberus Idealisation IS the root of the problem for being "proud of a nation"; countless atrocities have been done because of this, fresh ones are underway including in America. No argument from me there.
But I still want to argue that one can be proud to "live out the ideals" of the nation when those ideals are objectively good, thus in acting we embody what being an American / a Dutch should be. And when in our career / family "CV" / national service "CV" we do them, we can be proud to be part of making real a nation's ideals and simultaneously serve as a judge (without speech, only pointing to the CV) to those who misuse those ideals.
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@GratefulDisciple Well said.
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@Robusto Thanks. I thought a lot about these things. Star Trek helps me out too, contrasting the Borg's vision and the Federation's vision vis a vis distinct species' contribution (symbolizing cultures).
Purple was understandable, but it didn't exactly leap to mind.
@GratefulDisciple The Federation/Borg dichotomy seemed to me to be a symbol of Capitalism vs. Communism.
@Robusto That can be. Or liberal democracy vs. communism? To me, more fundamentally it's of voluntary cooperation (entailing the full involvement of a species's nature) vs. forceful assimilation (where the victims are indoctrinated without freedom to disagree). And Data became a hero in First Contact in making a choice of which collective he goes with.
@GratefulDisciple Yes, that's a better way to put it.
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@Robusto Yes. I mean the first category I identified, here the green one.
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@GratefulDisciple though realistically people say it on CVs as a platitude and in public as a way to manipulate people.
@jlliagre I actually had some difficulty with that one. One of the elements did not seem enough like the others for me to put it first. So I went hunting elsewhere.
@M.A.R. By "CV" (thus the quotation marks) I meant life's records, not a paper CV per se. And yes, we must be on guard with politicians and religious leaders who regularly idealise a vision of a nation to rally the masses to their agenda. There are those within the American churches that I'm very angry with and I'm sad to see many Christians are being duped.
The Atlantic came out with a very timely expose of such American religious leader: The Army of God Comes Out of the Shadows.
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@GratefulDisciple Too often religion is a path to avarice and control of the believers.
@Robusto Yes, that's very sad to see. To some extent I agree with Marx's observation of how religions work. I know several Christians personally who are victims, adding to my anger.
Nah, opium lowers heart rate, while religion tends to increase it. Marx's statement is inaccurate
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@M.A.R. :-)
The moustache cup (or mustache cup) is a drinking cup with a semicircular ledge inside. The ledge, called a moustache guard, has a half moon-shaped opening to allow the passage of liquids and serves as a guard to keep moustaches dry. It is generally acknowledged to have been invented in the 1870s by British potter Harvey Adams (1835–?). == Historic context == Moustaches flourished throughout the Victorian era, and by the early twentieth century, the British Army required soldiers to grow a moustache. Often, moustache wax was applied to the moustache to keep it stiff, with every hair in place....
@M.A.R. I believe Marx was talking about its soporific effects.
It's more accurately meth. Or cocaine.
@M.A.R. Maybe nicotine?
@Robusto opiates have complex pharmacology and people shouldn't liken things to them lest up-and-coming pharmacists make fun of it
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@M.A.R. Forgive Marx. He didn't have the pharmacological insights you do.
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@Robusto well, it sometimes induces delusions and hallucinations, so meth-induced psychosis works in the analogy. It makes people happy but they need more of it, and people sometimes make themselves suffer to get a bigger high, so it works on that front too
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I think Marx is right that certain forms of religions induce people to work hard without earthly reward by teaching that ultimate reward awaits them in the afterlife, thus enabling the leaders to groom the believers to practice the religion according to what they teach. That's the opium. While NAR exposed in the above article teaches the opposite which makes it dangerous in another way.
@Robusto to be fair, many if not most people who are miserly and/or power hungry are not religious.
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Also important is that atheists don't feel withdrawal symptoms such as diarrhea
@Mitch No, but often they use religion as a way to dupe the citizenry.
Religious hypocrisy is just a compelling story, unexpected.
@M.A.R. I've had diarrhea before.
@Mitch Not unexpected by me.
@Robusto Sure. Any excuse for a tyrant, but religion is only one (weak) excuse.
@Robusto repent and quit religion only after tapering it down properly
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@Robusto you're putting me in the weird position of defending superstition.
@M.A.R. It took me a while, but I made it.
Or rather, I did that.
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Like, first you can doubt that a guy died for a century then God revived him just to prove a point
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@M.A.R. takes a big puff
coughs
coughs uncontrollably
tears streaming down face
Then panic, because God punished that guy for doubting. Neither God nor his fervent followers seem to like people doubting and asking questions
chewing on the carpet
@M.A.R. That certainly qualifies as a pattern of manipulation. On the other hand, I know sections of Christianity that encourage asking questions and don't see doubt as an issue.
Then something something teapot in the orbit
@M.A.R. I have a feeling it was -people- punishing the doubter.
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TBH the teapot argument is never compelling to me. Just feels like a witty comeback
@M.A.R. is there spaghetti in the teapot?
@M.A.R. My problem with religion is that it doesn't ask enough questions, but is certain its answers are right.
I mean carbonara is good, but I think it's been hyped too much
@M.A.R. Are you referring to Russell's teapot?
@Mitch What's wrong with carbonara?
And Dawkin's Boeing argument is also weird to me. He says he derives the opposite conclusion from grand design, but I only seem to derive grand design as a conclusion
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@Robusto it's only superstition if you hear the wood knock back.
@Mitch you were eating carpet. Can't choose to be fussy
It was instant noodles
@GratefulDisciple Nothing. It's great. It's just as as super fabulous as everybody screams that it is.
@GratefulDisciple I know I know. Just having a bit of fun
@M.A.R. Great, we're on the same page then.
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Also you can't eat that everyday or by itself. Needs a salad alongside so that your not just eating a pound of carbs with a cream and bacon sauce.
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@M.A.R. haha yes carbonara is better than carpet.
@M.A.R. Just learned about the name of that argument. Atheists got to pick cool names for their objections.
@GratefulDisciple The biggest problem with online serious debates on religion are they are really boring stalemates. We have to dance for hours to get the common stuff out of the way and try to say something new, and I don't feel like doing that
@GratefulDisciple yeah that was new to me too
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@M.A.R. Yeah.... after watching several of those, I became blasé and impatient, and would rather scholarly books on theodicy instead.
@M.A.R. some people like to dance
I'd rather sit down and have some carbonara.
It's just that for example the problem of evil will always seem a more compelling argument against religion (to laymen and laywomen at least) and grand design for.
The first few "dances" got me excited and helped me to spec out the horizon (the dozen or so issues), but then they arrive at the same conundrums that are too complicated to hash out with full justice in a podcast episode. Books are the proper venue.
With a side of arugula salad (balsamic vinaigrette) and followed by a second Piatti of ... maybe chicken picatta ?
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And a tiramisù for dessert
And besides, most of the time people aren't interested in whether God really exists or not. Rather, I'm pissed that puritans say I can't have a girlfriend, I have to marry her to see her face
No cheese plate afterwards, that's just too much for me.
@Mitch and some lokum
@Mitch Never had Chicken Piccata yet; looks good. Will be on the lookout for it.
@M.A.R. what Is lokum?
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@GratefulDisciple he's probably listing all food he thinks is overrated, so we're gonna be here a while
@M.A.R. Is that just another name for Turkish delight, or another variation?
@Mitch not as delicious as that author, I forget who, said it was
@GratefulDisciple I mean -somebody- likes it, it's on the menu.
But by that reasoning, somebody like liver and onions.
Those people should only be able to get it WHEN THEYRE IN JAIL
For eating liver and onions obviously
It's just it's in this gel-like state so it's really the texture you'd like. Otherwise, it's just another way of cramming as much sugar and flavoring as you can in a couple cubic centimeters
@Mitch I bet they're all jaywalking too
Turkish delight is not for me.
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@Mitch This is truly a cultural thing. I don't mind chicken livers; my dad loved it but we cooked it very differently in order to get the smell out.
More like Turkish deject
@M.A.R. I wonder if anyone ever has changed their religious views due to an argument with someone online. Maybe like 3 people have.
@M.A.R. I'm pro jaywalking. It's very annoying to have to walk all the way to the corner to cross, and then have to walk all the way back.
I'm pro cars stopping
@Mitch well you don't like liver and onions too so it's just minor misdemeanor
In other news: wait, Anita Bryant was still alive???
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@alphabet there was that famous philosopher atheist who at 90 years old became a true believer,
Mortimer Adler?
@M.A.R. First time I tried it: wow, it's super sweet, like eating pure concentrated glucose in a tube that hospital gives to a patient who has severely low blood sugar condition.
@Mitch Yup, he first got enamored by Aristotle, then Aquinas, then became Catholic.
@GratefulDisciple it just took him a long while to warm up to it.
I just learned that she did an interview with Playboy--yes, really--in 1978.
@alphabet to be fair the proper way to do it is to ritually shout at the other side for a bit then storm off the keyboard and think about it for a while
@M.A.R. I don't think that's ever happened
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@Mitch Yes, but I respect his journey since he took the time to think through it. He lived long enough to write 2 memoirs.
@GratefulDisciple wait you really just tried lokum just now? Try baklava instead before you decide us Turks have poor taste
@Mitch it scales with how much you liked the other side before the shouting began
@M.A.R. Not just now, about 15 years ago. I tried baklava too and liked it.
@GratefulDisciple I wrote my autobiography when I was 26. I mean really, nothing important has happened since
@Mitch :-) That means your worldview was pretty much set since then? No earth shattering paradigm shift / epiphanies?
@GratefulDisciple baklava is also way too sweet for me.
Give me a dessert of pine tar and ground glass
16:18
@GratefulDisciple he has developed loads of opinions about food
@Mitch well that just means they didn't make good baklava in Boston
Wait this is a religious argument now
@GratefulDisciple naw I'm pretty sure my personality was set by 8, but then I needed a decade of life experience to really test things out.
@M.A.R. it's never not been a religious argument.
@Mitch I see. Stable is good. I need more testing strategies for my code too, still need to get on board TDD.
@GratefulDisciple you definitely want a test suite, but like anything don't think absolutely everything needs a test.
Also, UI testing is super time consuming and is brittle.
@alphabet I agree with you there. Online arguments are more for each side to sharpen their weapons, or (for those who are more charitable) to realize their hidden assumptions and make them less dogmatic in their position.
@GratefulDisciple It's a slippery slope. I guess he didn't notice all the warts on Aristotle.
16:24
@GratefulDisciple to be fair, the proof of the irrationality of square root of 2 is pretty incontrovertible
@Mitch Yes, every tool need to be used judiciously. Maybe for a core library, TDD would be good, to mitigate unexpected impact in many other codes that use it?
@GratefulDisciple APIs totally need a test set.
@Mitch I prefer documenting corner cases in a UAT document, or better yet, let another team creates it to avoid a developer's subjectivity.
Jun 26, 2014 at 0:37, by Robusto
@Mitch And then there's Aristotle. Who had way too much influence on everything. And who thought women had fewer teeth than men because it seemed reasonable. I guess it never occurred to him to ask his wife to open her mouth so he could count them.
Mmm baklava.
16:26
To be frank, I'm pretty sure my personality was set by -5- yo, but by 8 I had the selfawareness of it.
@Robusto well that does seem silly, but it is rather obvious that heavy things should fall faster than light things.
I mean come on
@Robusto "warts" being loopholes and wrong scientific conclusions? His books are more about Aristotelian ethics and metaphysics, though. And I heard that Aristotle is having a revival in recent decades, but he died before seeing it happen.
@Mitch Aristotle never actually made that claim.
Who has a tower -and- cannonballs, different sizes even?
@GratefulDisciple no I think Robusto is referring to an actual medical condition that Aristotle had.
@Mitch Oh, I see :-)
@alphabet Aristotle? -I- am making that claim.
16:31
May 3, 2012 at 1:50, by Robusto
Anyway, to get back to Aristotle, it's not clear most readers even take away what is worthwhile about his writings. He's often little more than a palimpsest to be written on by whichever philosopher wants to invent something and give it the air of authority.
As should anybody holding a cannonball.
Full disclosure: I've never held up a cannonball in my hands. They're too heavy.
@Mitch I have, and yes, they are heavy.
@alphabet did he say anything at all in the subject?
@Robusto exactly! Thank you for proving my point.
And Aristotle's.
@Robusto Wow, you and @Cerberus go way back! Looks like an interesting conversation from 13 years ago, will let you know what I think. But gotta do some work now.
I am on a big task to read and close all the tabs I have opened.
It's taking me quite a while.
But little by little the bird makes its nest.
16:39
@Mitch There's a destruct button in the upper right corner of your browser (unless you're on a Mac, and then it's on the other side).
Makes things simple. Occam's Razor, if you will.
For example, I'm reading an essay in the 'limits of civility' and I'm expecting to to be a manifesto on actively encouraged violent disobedience. But I'm not getting it. It's more like 'civility empowers the entrenched powers' but it doesn't encourage insurrection.
I'll tell you what it really means when I find out.
Also 'essay' is my hype word for 'blog post's
@GratefulDisciple searching ELU search for 'there's nothing new under the sun'.
I dare you.
@Robusto nah I get it but I can't just throw away it all just like that. I'm getting better at recognizing 'things that sound compelling but turns out the contents don't say much more than the title.
> A young child says to his mother, "Mom, when I grow up I'd like to be a musician." She replies, "Well honey, you know you can't do both."
17:11
@alphabet Yes, that's perfectly fine and normal in BrE. Sounds like a pond issue.
@Mitch I can't. believe that in the 'land of the free' crossing the road is a crime with its own name.Sheesh.
@Araucaria-Him We name a lot of things. It's part of our freedom of speech. And grammar. And spelling. And mumbling on buses about the government.
Basically: Aristotle was only talking about terminal velocity in air, not about motion in a vacuum (since he thought a vacuum couldn't exist). And that velocity does depend on mass in a way that's perfectly consistent with everything Aristotle has to say on the subject.
Galileo distorted Aristotle's meaning quite a lot in order to be able to "prove" Aristotle wrong about the velocities of falling objects. But all he really disproved is a strawman he made up.
 
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@alphabet To say nothing of a vacuum in motion.
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I found why Spanish was so difficult for me. It's because of the omission of sentence components.
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