English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

00:21

Germany also just lost its government? That's it: three times is enemy action, per Russian rules. :)

> “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.” —Ian Fleming.

Robusto

00:46

@tchrist Ian Fleming via Auric Goldfinger.

CowperKettle

01:11

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Robusto

@Mitch So ... I don't speak or read Chinese, but it appears to me from my knowledge of Japanese Kanji that the Hanzi in the picture says something like "The same one world, the same one dream." Do you have an idea of how close that is?

Robusto

01:38

> Wealth doesn't trickle down, it evaporates before it hits the ground.

CowperKettle

01:49

tchrist

anenome

Noun: anenome

Misspelling of anemone.

"an enemy"

Robusto

@tchrist Now we're listing all the misspellings of words? I didn't imagine there'd be enough server space for all those.

tchrist

02:04

@Robusto I am not certain people believe in misspellings any longer. Everything is an "alternate" spelling.

Robusto

@tchrist Well, the linguistics stance that mistakes are just language progressing probably vibrates sympathetically with that.

CowperKettle

> In 1950, 2 out of 3 British people wore false teeth by age 28.

I've installed Windows 11 at last. Works fine thus far.

I could not install it previously because my C: was only 100 GB, and now it's 200 GB, so now it has enough space.

I bought a very cheap Digma SSD 512 Gb, and it works fine, but sadly it does not provide the Total Host Write info, so I won't know when it will approach its estimated resource limit in terms of data recorded. But the announced resource is very high, 250 TB, and my old Samsung SSD installed in 2019 has not reached even 60 TB thus far.

alphabet

03:20

@tchrist With fronds like these, well who needs anemones?

Mitch

@Robusto yeah, that's close to a word for word translation in Chinese. More idiomatically in English I would say 'One world, one dream' as in we all have the same dream.

That makes it sound like I know Chinese characters...even though those are all pretty simple, I didn't really know the last two of both sides.

Google Lens was difficult to use on them but gave enough hints without having to flip through big dictionaries and wonder which radical to index on.

alphabet

All that cringe music from my Wells for Boys days.

Mitch

That line alone packs a pun punch.

CowperKettle

03:52

Two women playwrights have been sentenced to 6 years of jail for their play.

Ukraine has reported that about 30 North Korean soldiers have been killed or wounded in action

> The deaths are the first reported since the US and Ukraine announced that North Korea had sent 10,000 to 12,000 troops to Russia

alphabet

04:31

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MetaEd

11:16

Wordle 1,277 4/6

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tchrist

12:41

@Cerberus It was mostly a joke. But it stemmed from the increase in the proportion of black voters who went for Trump this past election compared with previous ones.

Cerberus

@tchrist OK but what was that about money from Musk to blacks?

tchrist

@Cerberus That was the joke. He's an African American who alone donated around $200 million to the effort of electing Trump. That's a lot of money.

Cerberus

Ahh he is from South Africa, got it.

tchrist

My Congressman is Joe Neguse. His parents are Eritrean immigrants. The idea that he doesn't get to be called an "African American" just because his forefathers were not American slaves is ridiculous to the point of being asinine.

If that's the definition people need to use, they need to call such people Unslaved Americans instead. Something like that.

The whole African = Slavery idea is evil to the core.

Cerberus

@tchrist Freed, they would be called. Or of freedman descent.

tchrist

12:51

Yes.

Cerberus

@tchrist Yes, it would be inconsistent.

tchrist

But then the anti-sexists would hound you to death for manning another word. Sigh.

"Of freedman descent" is fine by me.

Xanne

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Cerberus

@tchrist Of freedwoman descent, then.

Or even of freed descent?

tchrist

Well, the term unenslaved certainly exists, but as always there's an ambiguity between "no longer enslaved" and "never or not yet enslaved".

alphabet

13:06

American Descendants of Slavery

American Descendants of Slavery (ADOS) is a term referring to descendants of enslaved Africans in the area that would become the United States (from its colonial period onward), and to the political movement of the same name. Both the term and the movement grew out of the hashtag #ADOS created by Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore. The ADOS movement focuses mainly on demanding reparations for the system of slavery in the United States. They want colleges, employers and the federal government to prioritize ADOS and argue that affirmative action policies originally designed to help ADOS have been...

> Supporters of the ADOS movement say they should have their own ethnic designation on census forms and college applications, and should not be lumped in with other Black people—namely modern Black African immigrants to the United States and Black immigrants from the Caribbean.

GratefulDisciple

@alphabet That faux ad by SNL is so good and funny satire yet gently warns of misguided moms who cause boys not to go out to explore the world a la Star Trek. Reminds me of Precious Moments figurines.

alphabet

@GratefulDisciple I don't think the mom is being criticized at all; but I suppose you could read it that way.

GratefulDisciple

13:22

@alphabet Maybe it's just me reflecting on my mom's role in predisposing me to spend my whole childhood in classical music (which I still love) and nurturing my reflective side, but at some cost I realize only much later.

alphabet

I was like that as a kid, but my parents weren't particularly supportive of it.

Or at least they didn't really understand it.

> Don't just get him a Barbie--I mean, it's like that, but that's just part of it.

GratefulDisciple

@alphabet Mine did understand and enjoy the fruits. They also provided the resources and space to pursue the interest but didn't have much expertise to properly "support" the way good teachers are. My regret was that they could have done more in preparing myself for integration to the real world, "push me out", so to speak.

@alphabet I may understand what you mean; rather clueless? Guess that's what my parents way of encouraging me to go out: saying "go" but lacking in sufficient direction. They only know and understand classical music, their real inheritance to me.

Robusto

14:55

@Mitch Thanks

It's interesting how close those are. The left side uses exactly the same characters as Japanese would (same + one + [counter] + world + world (two characters combining to mean world), and the right side the same except the last two characters meaning dream (which my gravatar's kanji also means dream, though in a slightly different sense).

The Chinese dream depicted there is more aspirational, more of an ideal, while mine is more of a reverie.

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Robusto

15:31

#WhenTaken #294 (17.12.2024)

I scored 956/1000👑

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think_meaning_buildß

16:19

@Robusto You got to start acting more like me and my team

Robusto

@think_meaning_buildß Nevah!

think_meaning_buildß

I hear you pal.

jlliagre

17:27

#WhenTaken #294 (17.12.2024)

I scored 933/1000👑

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> The Sovietic country goes toward abundance. Everyday, life is getting more beautiful. Thanks to Stalin, the Sovietic citizen already knows this happy land where, according to Marx words, there is bread and roses for everyone.

I told you:

Dec 3 at 18:07, by jlliagre

@CowperKettle Stalin is underrated.

Robusto

@jlliagre Bread and roses? That's an odd choice.

jlliagre

Guns and roses?

Robusto

Even odder.

jlliagre

17:43

Bread and butter?

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GratefulDisciple

17:58

Bread and circuses? Did Marxist governments throw bread and circuses?

jlliagre

Tightrope, a daily trivia game | Britannica

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Piece of cake :-)
I was actually lucky, I picked T and I at random.

GratefulDisciple

marxists.org/subject/women/poetry/bread.html

jlliagre

Robusto

18:13

@jlliagre Bread and iron?

jlliagre

Bread and bekfast.

Robusto

Looking at it another way.

@jlliagre Nowhere are bread and roses represented.

Is that a French commonplace?

MetaEd

19:02

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Robusto

19:16

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My Score: 1890

jlliagre

20:54

@Robusto Maurice Thorez wrongly attributed that phrase to Stalin. It was actually coined in the US.

To Marx, not Stalin, sorry.

Robusto

@jlliagre Good find!

As we come marching, marching, we bring the Greater Days—
The rising of the women means the rising of the race—
No more the drudge and idler—ten that toil where one reposes—
But a sharing of life’s glories: Bread and Roses, Bread and Roses.

That's my favorite stanza in the song, and what we need today as well.

So yeah, probably was lost during the Red Scare of the '40s and '50s and '60s.

Word of the Gold Rush: fossick 1. To search for gold, especially by reworking washings or waste piles. 2. To rummage or search around, especially for a possible profit.

jlliagre

21:27

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Even after seeing the answers, I'm mostly clueless :-(

Criggie

@Robusto Oh gosh no - bread and roses was one of the anthems from the girls' high school I worked in. All the oldies from the 30s to the 70s would sing it like a dirge at any event.... it was horrid.

MetaEd

Hartshorn

Hartshorn is the antler of male red deer. == Derivatives == Various nitrogen compounds were made from hartshorn shavings: Oil of hartshorn is a crude chemical product obtained from the destructive distillation of deer antlers. Salt of hartshorn refers to ammonium carbonate, an early form of smelling salts and baking powder obtained by dry distillation of oil of hartshorn. Spirit of hartshorn (or spirits of hartshorn) is an archaic name for aqueous ammonia. Originally, this term was applied to a solution manufactured from the hooves and antlers of the red deer, as well as those of some ot...

From now on I'm referring to aqua ammonia as spirit of hartshorn.

Robusto

@Criggie Well, if I had to hear it at every event I might be dissuaded from it.

Dannyu NDos

21:43

It seems the FLEECE vowel is really a diphthong in Australian English.

Mitch

22:14

@Robusto How would you pronounce those two in Japanese? In Chinese, 'Same one world' is 'tòng yī ge shì-jiì' and 'Same one dream' is 'tòng yī ge mèng-xiǎng'

Robusto

22:25

@Mitch It would be onaji ikka sekai and onaji ikka isou. But the characters are a bit different. For example, the "dream" in Japanese uses a different first character that resembles my gravatar but is distinctly different from it.

Correction: ikka would more likely be hitotsu.

And it would have a possessive.

同じ一つの世界、同じ一つの夢 (onaji hitotsu no sekai, hitotsu no yume)

It's really hard to compare Chinese and Japanese. They have many similarities, yet the differences can be profound while appearing slight.

Here are the Japanese words for dream: 夢, ドリーム, 夢想, 願い事, 願事, 幻

The second one is eigo ("English" to the Japanese ear) and is approximately do-ri-i-mu (four syllables).

Cerberus

23:19

@Robusto Voilà.

Cerberus

23:40

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I didn't know some of the purple and blue ones either.

Especially purple is a category that I am not interested in, and the main word I would expect in that category isn't even there!

By the way, I have a puzzle for the @room, about what has just happened to me.

> The riddle, related to this room: I am trying to log into my work e-mail, for which I need to use a one-time passcode from an application on my phone. But now it doesn't work, the page says my credentials are incorrect. What happened? What is the conexion?

It took me at least a minute to understand.

CowperKettle

23:59

@jlliagre LOL

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