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Mitch

00:01

It did sort of offer some resistance in the sense that I kept going but the umbrella didn't go as fast

@MetaEd snort

Cerberus

@Mitch The umbrella didn't go as fast as you?

So you let go?

Mitch

@Cerberus correct

@Cerberus my arms went up

Cerberus

Aww.

Oh.

So then it did slow you down a bit?

Mitch

I mean a six year old doesn't have that arm strength

Cerberus

Nor much body weight.

Mitch

00:05

@Cerberus barely perceptively

The whole Mary Poppins thing is a lie

Cerberus

I see.

Mitch

Disney movies have been lying to me my whole life

The large majority of apples are not poisonous

No one sells slippers made of glass.

I've checked

Living in the jungle with wolves and a bear though...I could see that happening.

Cerberus

Sounds like home, this room.

Mitch

Lion King (is that Disney) is a shockingly anti-hyena screed.

Hyenas are just trying to live their lives

I just want to point out that if you pick your apple a bit too early it can be a bit tart, and that might have inspired somebody with bad timing to call it poisonous.

@Cerberus a comfy home with central heating and a comfy couch?

Cerberus

I meant the jungle with wolves.

Mitch

00:14

Oh. Yeah. No comfy couches.

But...

No need for comforters.

Maybe a lot of bugs?

Cerberus

Quite a lot.

Mitch

But copious fruit for the picking.

I tend to ignore the bugs when I imagine the jungle, but I feel like I've heard that the bugs are barely tolerable.

Cerberus

Of course they are horrible there.

And even dangerous.

I have heard of people acquiring incurable diseases there from bugs.

Mitch

Oh

I may have to modify my plans

Cerberus

Someone whose child got a fungal infection.

Mitch

00:24

It can't be that bad if people live there

Cerberus

I wonder how that works.

Some kind of adaptation?

Special pastes their rub onto their sun-tanned skins?

Mitch

Or people die a lot or are otherwise very unhappy there?

Cerberus

And those two things, yes.

Mitch

@Cerberus oh well that makes me think the solution is to have ancestors to have lived there enough to have enough melanin to survive the sun

Cerberus

Die / are maimed / are infected.

@Mitch Maybe!

Mitch

00:27

@Cerberus but if everything else is great than that. Then what's the complaint?

Cerberus

What, indeed?

Mitch

I really kind of idolize the jungle...but maybe the bug and maiming and fungus thing is a bit too real.

Cerberus

Why would you idolise it?

Mitch

I just think it would be cool

Cerberus

When there were cities in the Amazon, was it already a jungle?

Probably not?

Mitch

00:37

I spent most of my childhood free time running around the woods near where I grew up

But temperate forest.

Cerberus

Or the people cut down the jungles in wide areas, perhaps?

@Mitch Yeah, that is very different.

I did that too.

Though the word 'forest' is too big for what we had.

Mitch

So it's be nice to have something a bit exotic but still sort of recognizable.

@Cerberus I don't think the jungle has ever not been there in the Amazon.

For at least a 100,000 years

Those 'hidden' coties of the Amazon were built in the jungle.

@Cerberus same.

Big enough though

Cerberus

Mitch

Depending on which part, bigger than I bothered to go beyond.

Cerberus

@Mitch OK.

Mitch

00:41

Suburbs, but only partially developed

Cerberus

Then they probably cleared large areas for argriculture, like now.

Mitch

So there were roads among houses but lots of lots that hadn't been cut down.

And enough to make contiguous nature

@Cerberus I don't know how much they really have to clear...

I suppose they'd have to to support anything beyond subsistence.

Cerberus

A city requires a lot of farm land, I should think.

alphabet

@Mitch I recall reading something a while back about how jungles don't actually exist. European explorers traveling down rivers saw dense vegetation on riverbanks and assumed it extended inland; it doesn't, because, in the actual rainforest proper, trees block out the light most low-lying vegetation needs to survive.

Cerberus

@alphabet Maybe "jungle" should be defined first, then?

Mitch

02:01

@alphabet sure that happens sometimes and sometimes there is thick brush to hack through for miles.

Robusto

02:20

@Mitch Especially in swamps.

Dannyu NDos

03:40

Travel prohibition to Kursk Oblast since Nov 22nd.

alphabet

> Burn down your cities and leave our farms, and your cities will spring up again as if by magic. But destroy our farms and the grass will grow in the streets of every city in the country.

Cerberus

Something like that.

alphabet

A wonderful quote from the Sanders/Trump hybrid of the 1890s. Much better at speechifying than either of those two, especially the latter.

Notorious WJB.

CowperKettle

03:56

> The 22,000 qanats in Iran, with their 170,000 miles of underground conduits all built by manual labor, deliver a total of 19,500 cubic feet of water per second - an amount equivalent to 75 percent of discharge of the Euphrates River into the Mesopotamian plain.
(Scientific American, 1968)

@DannyuNDos A friend with panic attacks works as a food deliverer on bicycle in Oryol, and yesterday they had air defense sirens blaring, a sign of possible incursion by a drone

SmokeDetector

06:55

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive body detected, offensive title detected (103): (potentially offensive title -- see MS for details)‭ by Anthony Gatti‭ on english.SE

CowperKettle

08:14

think_meaning_buildß

Translation, please.

Vikas

> The image features two scenes with wooden houses, accompanied by captions in Russian. Here's the translation:

Top caption (СЕЛО): "Village"
Bottom caption (ВСТАЛО): "Stood up"
This is likely a humorous play on words, using "stood up" to describe the houses being elevated on stilts in the second image.

I dragged image into ChatGPT lol

easy

CowperKettle

"SELO" can mean: 1) A village 2) (it) has sat down

As a verb, SELO means "it has sat down", but it does not mention "it", it's only that this form of the verb implies that it's something of a neuter sex that has sat down.

VSTALO means "(it) has stood up"

For instance, an airplane (SAMOLYOT) is a male-gendered noun in Russian, so "An airplane has landed" will be "SAMOLYOT SEL"

The same SEL root as in SELO

think_meaning_buildß

08:34

Thank you both :-D

CowperKettle

You're welcome!

Hindi Russi bhai bhai

Adám

11:36

5

Q: Different forms of the abbreviations for "identification"?

Which of the following are correct? right wrong ID [x] [ ] i.d. [x] [ ] I.D. [ ] [ ] Id [ ] [ ] I.d. [ ] [ ] id [ ] [ ] Marked the ones I found on dictionary.com And what are the correct pluralized versions?

I don't like the answers here ↑ as per Wikipedia:

ID

ID or its variants may refer to: Identity document, a document used to verify a person's identity Identifier, a symbol which uniquely identifies an object or record == People == I. D. Ffraid (1814–1875), Welsh poet and Calvinistic Methodist minister I. D. McMaster (1923–2004), American assistant district attorney I. D. Serebryakov (1917–1998), Russian lexicographer and translator == Places == İd or Narman, a town in Turkey Idaho, US (postal abbreviation ID) Indonesia, ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 country code "ID" Indonesian language, ISO 639-1 language code "ID" == Arts, entertainment, and media == �...

"Identity Document" which fits in many contexts like "They weren't carrying any ID" and therefore all the examples and statistics are useless. However, when referring to identity that isn't a document, "ID" seems wholly inappropriate.

tchrist

12:44

And for the Americans playing along at home, for us that would be: • A: /æ/ as in bagger, /e⁽ʲ⁾/ as in bagel; • E: /ɛ/ as in lemma, /i/ as in lemur; • I: /ɪ/ as in dinner, /aj/ as in diner; • O: /ɔ/ as in boggy, /o⁽ʷ⁾/ as in bogey; • U: /ə/ as in supper, /u/ as in super. — tchrist ♦ 11 hours ago

Or spitter, spider. :)

bidder, bider

bitter, biter

There we go. I was looking for one where the diphthong would be short under Canadian raising.

So allophonically [ˈbɐɪ̯ɾɚ] for phonemic /ˈbajtɚ/ unless you're one who wants phonetics in there like /ˈbʌjtɚ/ or some such. Just how much that shortened phonetic diphthong is actually raised and shortened there isn’t completely consistent across all speakers and utterances. Allophones wobble but they don't fall down. :)

think_meaning_buildß

Unlike London bridge 🌉

tchrist

12:59

The word diorama is a great one to show that the "ai" falling diphthong actually has a semi-consonant glide at the end of it, not a vowel: /ˌdajəˈɹɑmə/ or /ˌdajəˈɹæmə/.

think_meaning_buildß

aka my fair lady; but, that would bring the rain in Spain into the picture.

tchrist

Weeble

Weebles is a range of children's roly-poly toys that was introduced in 1971 by the US toy company Hasbro and currently marketed under their Playskool brand. They are egg-shaped, so tipping one causes a weight located at the bottom-center to be raised. Once released, the Weeble is restored by gravity to an upright position. Weebles have been designed with a variety of shapes, including some designed to look like people or animals. The catchphrase "Weebles wobble, but they don't fall down" was used in advertising during their rise in popularity in the 1970s and during successive relaunches in the...

I wonder whether more people say the third syllable of diorama using the A of father or with the A of apple.

Or how that distribution falls out.

Based on order, it looks to me like the OED thinks more of us use the APPLE version than who use the FATHER version.

Which is the reverse of the "British" ordering of same.

Interesting.

think_meaning_buildß

Whelp, you can't argue with the OED.

tchrist

Oh I argue with them all the time. Mostly about things that are not there. :)

think_meaning_buildß

I fought the law and the law won.

tchrist

13:08

The FATHER version sounds a bit pretentious, doncha know.

think_meaning_buildß

Perhaps, pretension is their intention.

tchrist

Like how ColorAHdo, NevAHda, MontAHna, CAHlifornia all do. :)

@think_meaning_buildß Indeed.

A mite pawsh, innit.

think_meaning_buildß

Yeppers.

tchrist

Or a might porsh, as the Brits would iDialect it, so that it rhymes with warsh by gorsh.

think_meaning_buildß

A dialect doesn't have an army and a navy like a language does.

tchrist

13:15

I have three inches of just-fallen and still-falling new snow out there. My daily sunrise walk will be brisk today. But nothing like tomorrow when it may be only half this temperature.

think_meaning_buildß

Half the temperature will be greater than two times as cold.

(unless you're dipping below zero)

tchrist

I don't like half this temperature half so much as I shouldn't.

think_meaning_buildß

Half of zero is still zero.

Half of below zero is warmer.

tchrist

Even under ones-complement representations? :-)

Both +0 and -0 exist there, which may have some useful distinction under limits at infinity approaching from either side.

think_meaning_buildß

They switch to Kelvin in most applications to avoid that.

Robusto

13:54

@think_meaning_buildß Beyond absolute zero there lies "absolute fucking zero," which, curiously, is warmer.

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Robusto

14:21

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CowperKettle

14:48

@tchrist Here, it's ice everywhere, dangerous to both walk and ride, but I have studded tires, so it's okay

tchrist

15:28

> There's no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing.

Vikas

@tchrist Your quote has hurt me deep in the heart. Now it's paining.

Robusto

@tchrist Some weather would require a space suit.

jlliagre

#WhenTaken #274 (27.11.2024)

I scored 930/1000👑

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tchrist

15:54

@Robusto I still took my customary five-mile hike up and around through the hills before dawn today, despite the blizzard. I wore 17 distinct clothing elements. I was fine.

Vikas

16:05

8 flags!

jlliagre

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tchrist

@Vikas Why is that? Do you have bad clothing that makes the weather feel bad?

Vikas

@tchrist Sort of XD

tchrist

@Vikas Then just tell the weather you're sorry and that you'll try to dress better next time. No harm done, presuming all your parts are still intact and undamaged following your last misdressed misadventure with the weather.

I'm sure it will feel better by and by.

Cerberus

17:31

> [2024] A huge ancient city has been found in the Amazon, hidden for thousands of years by lush vegetation. ... The city was built around 2,500 years ago, and people lived there for up to 1,000 years, according to archaeologists. It is difficult to accurately estimate how many people lived there at any one time, but scientists say it is certainly in the 10,000s if not 100,000s. ...

It reveals a large, complex society that appears to be even bigger than the well-known Mayan societies in Mexico and Central America. ... The Kilamope and Upano people living there probably mostly focussed on a…

@Mitch So I imagine they needed to clear huge areas for all the farmland required to feed entire cities.

Remember how Rome had to be fed by farmland in Egypt.

You need huge amounts of basic crops to feed a city.

Of course they didn't have intensive agriculture, as we have now: the yield of the land was far, far lower than now. If we assume 0,015 km² of land per person for architecture and farmland and everything, they must have cleared 1500 km² of land for a city of 100,000. That is about 50 by 30 km. I suppose that is what one would expect, if the land were fertile. Those cities were not in forests.

tchrist

17:48

> Recent demographic studies have argued for a population peak from 70 million to more than 100 million. Each of the three largest cities in the Empire – Rome, Alexandria, and Antioch – was almost twice the size of any European city at the beginning of the 17th century.

Cerberus

This is the Roman Empire?

100 million, really?

tchrist

So it says.

Roman Empire

The Roman Empire was the era of Roman civilisation lasting from 27 BC to 476 AD. Rome ruled the Mediterranean and much of Europe, Western Asia and North Africa. The Romans conquered most of this during the Republic, and it was ruled by emperors following Octavian's assumption of effective sole rule in 27 BC. The western empire collapsed in 476 AD, but the eastern empire lasted until the fall of Constantinople in 1453. By 100 BC, Rome had expanded its rule to most of the Mediterranean and beyond. However, it was severely destabilised by civil wars and political conflicts, which culminated in the...

BTW, I was surprised what you said about Egypt, right up until I saw that map. I knew that Rome also had agriculture it pulled in from Numidia, at least, and perhaps also some from Mauretania. But all that will have paled before the ever-fecund Nile.

And yes, I mean following the Punic Wars &c&c&c.

Cerberus

Yes, Egypt was the breadbasket of the Mediterranean.

Mesopotamia could probably still produce large amounts as well. But I think it was not properly controlled by Rome.

tchrist

Also farther to ship.

The rivers run the wrong way.

Cerberus

I suppose you would need far more expensive shipping over land, yes.

tchrist

18:01

But the Nile leads to Our Sea, not to Theirs.

Cerberus

It does.

tchrist

@Cerberus Per earlier discussion... Washington Post: Exercising to lose weight? Science says it rarely works. A metabolism researcher dispels myths about how we burn calories and how this changes as we age.

Cerberus

Right.

Nov 17 at 5:29, by alphabet

@Cerberus Traditional hunter-gatherers burn the same number of calories a day as modern Westerners.

Cerberus

18:26

@tchrist OK the answer is probably nuanced.

Robusto

20:17

@tchrist Good job. While I and my friends did only 28 miles on the bike while the northwest wind blew in our faces and through our clothes.

Robusto

21:11

> In search from A to Z they passed,
And “Marguerita” chose at last;
But thought it sound far more sweet
To call the baby “Marguerite.”
When grandma saw the little pet,
She called her “darling Margaret.”
Next uncle Jack and cousin Aggie
Sent cup and spoon to “little Maggie.”
And grandpapa the right must beg
To call the lassie “bonnie Meg.”
From “Marguerita” down to “Meg,”
And now she’s simply “little Peg.”

I went searching for why Peggy is a nickname for Margaret.

MetaEd

21:53

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Robusto

22:45

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On rhyming nicknames of nicknames

jlliagre

23:05

@Cerberus I know it's not but shipping over land sounds like an oxymoron... unless you are in the Netherlands of course ;-)

Criggie

Overland, underground, wombling free!

jlliagre

23:26

> What is a womble in British slang?
A person, usually male, prone to making outrageously stupid statements and/or inappropriate behaviour while generally having a very high opinion of his own wisdom and importance.

Hey, that's me!

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