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CowperKettle

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Eliezer Yudkowsky Post - Nov 21, 2024

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@Robusto I would be afraid to repost this on Facebook, for fear of losing my pro-Israel friends

Robusto

01:17

@alphabet As per usual.

@CowperKettle Fear is the real enemy here.

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Robusto

01:36

#WhenTaken #271 (24.11.2024)

I scored 899/1000🏆

1️⃣📍168 km - 🗓️2 yrs - 🥇191/200
2️⃣📍463 m - 🗓️1 yrs - 🥇199/200
3️⃣📍20.0 km - 🗓️0 yrs - 🥇199/200
4️⃣📍608 m - 🗓️11 yrs - 🥇182/200
5️⃣📍619 km - 🗓️22 yrs - 🥈128/200

https://whentaken.com

Robusto

01:50

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@jlliagre Haha, same scores!

jlliagre

@Robusto Yes! What's the probability for this to happen?

Robusto

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@jlliagre That's going to involve some serious statistics.

We'd need to make the curve of all the scores first.

jlliagre

@Robusto Let me sleep on it and I'll try to give you an answer in the morning :-)

Robusto

@jlliagre Sounds good to me. I'll sleep on it too, but I'm pretty sure I won't have an answer.

jlliagre

@Robusto Did you notice the quote?

Robusto

02:02

@jlliagre Enlighten me.

jlliagre

Meat Loaf - Paradise By The Dashboard Light

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Robusto

@jlliagre Haha, OK.

BTW, did you understand the baseball references?

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A: In sex talk, how many bases are there and what do they all mean?

Here's a diagram that may help you visualize it. (Sorry, no XXX rating here.)

jlliagre

02:20

@Robusto Hehe. I didn't understood the reference at all but the part starting with "Stop right there", I remember to get each and every word when I was listening it in 77-78 and that was pretty unique for me. Usually, I only got something like one word to five when listening to English songs. I also remember I was puzzled by the phrase "I can't get no satisfaction" but as nobody seemed to share that impression, I didn't investigate further. There was no Internet to figure it out easily.

Robusto

@jlliagre Understandable. Meat Loaf's video melds baseball's 1st, 2nd, 3rd and home plate terminology with sex talk, and of course, she stops him when he's trying to go "home" ... :-)

jlliagre

@Robusto Thanks for enlighten me about these baiseball things :-)

Robusto

@jlliagre Pas de problem.

@jlliagre Also: your French children must have lots of laughs when they learn that baize in English means a felt-like covering for gaming tables. Jokes about what kind of gaming is meant, no doubt.

Sorry, I meant pas de problème.

jlliagre

@Robusto No problème.

@Robusto Nobody told them.

Robusto

@jlliagre More's the pity.

jlliagre

02:45

@Robusto But they all smile when learning a little bit.

Baise

Baise (Chinese: 百色; pinyin: Bǎisè, Bósè; local pronunciation: paːk˧˥ ɬɐk˥), or Bose, is the westernmost prefecture-level city of Guangxi, China bordering Vietnam as well as the provinces of Guizhou and Yunnan. The city has a population of 4.3 million, of which 1.4 million live in the urban area. The name is from Youjiang Zhuang Baksaek, meaning "in, or blocking, a mountain pass". The name Bwzswz is the Zhuang transliteration of the Chinese name. == Geography and climate == Baise is located in western-northwestern Guangxi bordering Qianxinan Buyei and Miao Autonomous Prefecture (Guizhou) to the...

CowperKettle

10:12

Will a tubeless tyre be lighter for a 26" wheel bicycle, @Robusto?

I wonder if I should buy one, to spare me those tube repairs.

CowperKettle

13:14

Vikas

@CowperKettle I don't get last three lines.

CowperKettle

13:41

@Vikas The world is likened to a fruit, like an apple, and if cut in two parts, one could see what kind of worms is inside, eating at the "rind"

What worms are eating the crust of the Earth

Vikas

@CowperKettle But how's it related to the first lines of the poem?

CowperKettle

@Vikas He is waiting for the world to become good and beautiful and kind, but that does not happen, so he thinks that maybe there are worms inside

Robusto

@CowperKettle Yes, definitely. You can also ride them with less tire pressure.

Vikas

@CowperKettle Ah

Robusto

13:57

@Vikas Another view is that the world is rotten to the core.

@CowperKettle Make sure the tubeless tires have sealant in them as well. And get a plug patch kit for repairs on the road. I use Dynaplug.

Tour de Tucson ride I did on Saturday. Not picture: me, the photographer.

CowperKettle

Nice!

Robusto

I was slightly slower than last year, but a lot of that was due to an auto accident that blocked the bike traffic for about ten minutes.

CowperKettle

I know this is in Arizona from a song by The Beatles. That's all I know about Tucson.

Robusto

It's a nice place in the winter. I wouldn't want to be there in the summer, though.

The Saturday ride was 100 km. I did a little less than that on Friday just because it was great to be in shirtsleeves and shorts.

CowperKettle

Do you listen to some music during long rides?

I listen to audiobooks while working on my bicycle.

Robusto

14:11

@CowperKettle On long rides when I'm by myself, I listen to audiobooks too.

But you can't use any kind of earplugs on the Tour de Tucson race.

CowperKettle

Ah!

Robusto

I finished 33rd in my age group out of 151 riders in that group.

CowperKettle

Nice!

Robusto

Which Beatles song talks about Tucson? Rocky Raccoon?

CowperKettle

"Get Back"

Someone left his home in Tucson, Arizona for some California grass

Robusto

14:14

Ah, right.

@CowperKettle Jojo left his home in Tucson, Arizona.

jlliagre

14:29

May 25 at 15:56, by jlliagre

@Robusto I should have said that I know three things about Arizona: two cities, Tucson and Phoenix and that JoJo guy who left for some grassier land.

Robusto

14:53

Mar 7, 2011 at 18:22, by Robusto

Who reads your shit?

j/k

#travle #712 +0
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Went the wrong direction at first.

tchrist

15:09

in Discussion on answer by tchrist: Why do some people write text all in lower case?, 1 min ago, by tchrist

@Chronocidal Thank you for sharing your knowledge; before you explained this I had been unaware that road signs in all capitals were “not grammatically correct”: STOP, EXIT, YIELD, ONE WAY, WRONG WAY, DO NOT ENTER, SHARP CURVE AHEAD, SPEED LIMIT 60 MPH, CROSS TRAFFIC DOES NOT STOP, OVERHEIGHT VEHICLE PULL OVER, METRIC SIGNS IN USE ON INTERSTATE 19, ACCIDENT AHEAD TUNNEL CLOSED ALT ROUTE US 6, DRIVER PULLED FROM CRASH BLOSSOMS. Have you told the highway department?

Robusto

#WhenTaken #272 (25.11.2024)

I scored 870/1000🏆

1️⃣📍1.3 km - 🗓️3 yrs - 🥇197/200
2️⃣📍2.5K km - 🗓️20 yrs - 🥉100/200
3️⃣📍4.8 km - 🗓️2 yrs - 🥇198/200
4️⃣📍12.0 km - 🗓️0 yrs - 🥇199/200
5️⃣📍1.6 km - 🗓️13 yrs - 🥇176/200

https://whentaken.com

Mitch

@CowperKettle Oh yeah. 'Get Back'.

tchrist

Which is how you can tell which drivers are cross: they're the ones who stop at nothing.

Mitch

> Jojo left his home in Tucson, Arizona
For some California grass

But also mentioned in 'Route 66'.

tchrist

Man that was sure a rout doncha know!

Mitch

15:13

Wait...

tchrist

Tom waits

Mitch

I coulda swore Tucson Arizona was mentioned in Route 66 but it appears not:

> Now you go through St. Louis
Joplin, Missouri
And Oklahoma City looks mighty pretty
You'll see Amarillo
Gallup, New Mexico
Flagstaff, Arizona
Don't forget Winona
Kingman, Barstow, San Bernardino

Robusto

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Mitch

Of course Chicago and LA on either end.

Robusto

@Mitch It's not on that road. Not even Phoenix is. It goes through ABQ and Flagstaff and Kingman but not parts to the south of that.

tchrist

15:16

Interstate 19

Interstate 19 (I-19) is a north–south Interstate Highway located entirely within the US state of Arizona. I-19 travels from Nogales, roughly 90 meters (300 ft) from the Mexican border, to Tucson, at I-10. The highway also travels through the cities of Rio Rico, Green Valley, and Sahuarita. Having a total length of just over 102 kilometers (63 mi), I-19 is the eighth-shortest primary (two-digit) Interstate Highway in the contiguous 48 states, where only I-86 (Idaho), I-11 (Nevada), I-2 (Texas), I-42 (North Carolina), I-14 (Texas), I-97 (Maryland), and I-87 (North Carolina) are shorter. While the...

Mitch

@Robusto There's a lot of room out there for a city to not be on a mostly straight road.

tchrist

That's where the signs that meter are.

Starts in Tucson, Arizona. Or ends.

Since when do we interpose the name of the state between the word INTERSTATE and its numeric designation? Is that normal?

Mitch

@Robusto Flagstaff, Tucson... forget reality, they both fit the meter in the song, and I ws mixing up the two songs, and the Rolling Stones version and my brain is not a database with a strict ER diagram but a swirling cesspool of half associations.

tchrist

Flagstaff and Tucson are nothing like each other.

Robusto

@Mitch Reality is a stubbornly persistent illusion.

Mitch

15:19

@tchrist Except for being in the same state and their accent pattern.

tchrist

But I forget that you wetlanders can't keep track of the Z-axis.

Elevation dominates all other considerations here.

Mitch

@tchrist or snything west of the Mississippi.

St. Paul... totally understandable.

Minneapolis... what is this?

Butte, MT is a short trip north of Lincoln, NE.

From Chicago to St. Louis is half the trip to LA.

@CowperKettle That guy has lots of ideas, but it's all science fiction. I mean that reading is literally science fiction. But the allegory to current systems ... also science fiction.

Robusto

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@Mitch You're viewing it from the tangled vines of Massachusetts roadways.

Mitch

I don't know what 'sapience' means. (spoiler alert: I know exactly what people mean by it and it is vague and means what people want it to mean, mostly guarded paranoia and projection)

Robusto

There are no more than five miles of straight roadway in Massachusetts. And that sum is divided up among many communities.

Mitch

15:28

@Robusto I get now why people like landscape and cliff views, because you can actually see things. On most eastern highways, there are all these trees in the way.

tchrist

@Mitch Flagstaff sits nearly a mile above Tucson: its timbered montane zone with a foot more annual rainfall enjoys a completely different biological ecosystem from that of the treeless Sonoran Desert far below. The differences are unforgettable.

Robusto

@Mitch Yes. I loved to walk by the soccer fields near my house because you could actually see a makeshift horizon.

tchrist

And although the giant saguaros around Tucson live for centuries, they are not trees. Still, the Sonoran is the greenest desert in the world.

Mitch

@Robusto ONe confounding thing about the supply of arms to Israel by the US is that most of that promise, to help Israel defend itself, is to defend itself against Iran (which most civilized countries think is a reasonable thing to do). That Israel is currently using most of those arms against Palestinians is very unreasonable.

Robusto

@Mitch How many times have you been driving on I-95 or 495 and completely missed your exit because it looked like all the others?

Mitch

15:31

@Robusto YOu have to make an effort to see the sky unobstructed.

tchrist

@paddotk If you count the buds on a potato, you get its Eye-Q. — DjinTonic 2 hours ago

The spuds are gaining on us.

Robusto

@tchrist Whenever I drive through there in the winter it is invariably blanketed with snow for 30 miles in all directions.

Mitch

@Robusto There are a couple of stretches on I-90 going west that look slightly similar (a rise curving to the left a little), but that's about it.

tchrist

Strikingly beautiful. I've only been there in spring and summer.

Not in monsoon or winter.

Unclear whether they get autumn there.

But it's routinely considered a five-season world there.

Mitch

The midwest is so flat, traveling on highways in Illinois is the most boring drive I've ever had. YOu can see for miles in all directions of essentially the same view. And then every so often there's an overpass and you rise up to see all the way to the horizon in every direction and... more flatness in every direction just more of it.

tchrist

15:36

Not by Galena it ain't.

But the FIBs have little else to boast of.

Not for nothing do we call the Illinoisies "Flatlanders".

Robusto

@tchrist If you think Illinois is flat, try Kansas or Nebraska.

tchrist

@Robusto I almost said the same to Mitch.

Robusto

Kansas is scientifically proven to be flatter than a pancake.

Science: Several U.S. States, Led by Florida, Are Flatter Than a Pancake

From The Atlantic.

tchrist

I suspect that you and I may have substantially more experience in this than he has. And then there are all the serious flat stretches in Texas and the intermountain west.

Robusto

NM has the llano estacado. So named because explorers had to drive stakes into the ground like a breadcrumb trail to avoid getting hopelessly lost.

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Hmm, the Atlantic article ranks Kansas way down the list of flatness.

Florida
Illinois
North Dakota
Louisiana
Minnesota
Delaware
Kansas
Texas
Nevada
Indiana

Illinois comes in #2. I did not realize that.

Well, I shouldn't be surprised.

Jun 23, 2022 at 18:56, by Robusto

There is more straight-and-level roadway on Western Avenue in Chicago than there is in all of Massachusetts.

Tightrope, a daily trivia game | Britannica

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Robusto

16:05

> The questions that matter most to us are typically those least likely to have clear answers. If you ask me, “Why do you love your wife?” I will struggle to answer convincingly. I know I do, but the reasons seem impossible to articulate. Anything I say (“Because she is good to me”) will utterly miss the point and trivialize the relationship.
Indeed, the fact that fairly trivial questions are easy to answer with clarity is no coincidence. (“How do I get to the supermarket?” Two right turns, then a left.) The celebrated psychotherapist Carl Jung considered this ease-of-answering test a way o…

Robusto

16:18

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Q: What is it called when you have a hobby where you're good enough at to impress others but you yourself know you're only beginning?

Like the title says, I'm looking for the theorem or the effect that makes you feel incompetent compared to a master (let's take playing music for example) but good enough that others that aren't in said hobby find it impressive. I thought of the Dunning-Kruger effect but it's not exactly that.

phrase-requests

These answers are so far off the mark (that of the understanding of self) that I hardly need to elaborate. And it's a lot of what's wrong with phrase and single-word requests on this site.

When you are learning something, growth can be measured in how much you realize that you do not know yet.

The more you understand, the more you realize how much there is to understand.

Mitch

@Robusto Their measure for ranking was chosen for ease of calculation, not necessarily intuitiveness. They choose 'difference between highest and lowest point, and since Kansas, while having very little curvature outside of global spherical curvature, slightly rises from east to west and so has a difference that is not noticeable, unlike a much shorter hill in Illinois.

Though I've never been there I thought Illionois had hills in the south? I suppose none near as large as the difference between east and west Kansas.

Also, how is Delaware not the first one? Just because it is so small, there's not enough room for much elevation difference.

@Robusto I don't understand that.

@Robusto shakes fist at cloud

MetaEd

16:39

@Mitch Little Egypt?

Mitch

@MetaEd Oh yeah that must be it... Cay-ro?

Or is that right on the Ohio or Mississippi?

MetaEd

the confluence of ...

Mitch

or both

but actually I was thinking of Carbondale, a little further north.

Which, also, I've never been to.

MetaEd

it's pretty country

Mitch

I've seen a sign on the highway for it.

Does that count?

MetaEd

16:41

and by that I mean, it's lovely to look at AND the other thing

Mitch

what's the other thing?

Like the music?

MetaEd

17:07

@Mitch it's an impoverished rural area

jlliagre

17:24

#WhenTaken #272 (25.11.2024)

I scored 680/1000🎗️

1️⃣📍1.9K km - 🗓️1 yrs - 🥈151/200
2️⃣📍3.7K km - 🗓️26 yrs - 🥉64/200
3️⃣📍14.2K km - 🗓️12 yrs - 🥉79/200
4️⃣📍12.0 km - 🗓️0 yrs - 🥇199/200
5️⃣📍1.2 km - 🗓️9 yrs - 🥇187/200

https://whentaken.com

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MetaEd

I'm still looking for the word/phrase used for people who elect themselves as topic police in a public forum. Anybody?

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#travle #712 +0 (Perfect)
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alphabet

18:28

Haaretz: A Quarter of Palestinian Prisoners in Israel Infected With Scabies in Recent Months

> "When we requested treatment, we were told that we were terrorists and should die. At first, they only gave us aspirin," [one prisoner] said.

@MetaEd ELU users. ELUsers. E-losers.

MetaEd

@alphabet that's bleak

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@MetaEd Illusions of grandeur?

alphabet

Is there a reason SE keeps showing answers as sorted by "newest first" instead of "highest score" when I click on a question?

MetaEd

@think_meaning_buildß there's a name for it, I just can't remember.

@alphabet there's a "sorted by" popup menu at the top of the answers list. Is it forgetting your choice?

think_meaning_buildß

18:44

Perhaps, more context will help.

alphabet

@MetaEd Yes, it keeps defaulting it to "newest first" even when I've changed the sort order after clicking on a question earlier.

MetaEd

@alphabet you ought to be able to click "reset to default" there

think_meaning_buildß

Thought police?

alphabet

@MetaEd I did but it doesn't stick when I go to other questions.

MetaEd

19:22

@think_meaning_buildß - thought police, self-appointed censor, room cop, vigilante. gatekeeper maybe

I think that might be it. Gatekeeping.

think_meaning_buildß

19:51

Yup, gatekeeper works

Guardian

Enforcer

Monitor

Robusto

20:21

@MetaEd No phrase-or-word-mongering in chat, please.

think_meaning_buildß

Gauleiter

Robusto

think_meaning_buildß

and memorable

> If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other way

think_meaning_buildß

21:01

If you feed a child with a silver spoon all of their life, they will only grow up remembering the shape of the spoon

MetaEd

22:04

@Robusto No Pratchett in this chat. ... what am I saying! Only Pratchett in this chat.

CowperKettle

22:22

Robusto

@CowperKettle A tempest in a coffee pot. Close enough for rock 'n' roll, I guess.

@MetaEd ¿Donde está mi mente?

MetaEd

22:38

@Robusto Mi aerodeslizador está lleno de anguilas.

Robusto

@MetaEd Hora de despegar hacia el interior.

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