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Cerberus

00:00

Yes.

tchrist

If you believe a page contains bias, you should raise this matter in its talk page.

Cerberus

But they still echo what is common knowledge in their phonies.

I'm pretty sure there will be a page saying exactly what Alphabet said, for example, that America invented the modern constitution or something.

tchrist

Their handies?

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A: Why is ‘dissect’ (sometimes) pronounced with the ‘long’ PRICE vowel (the diphthong /ʌɪ/) not the ‘short’ KIT vowel (the monophthong /ɪ/)?

It is difficult to determine the extent to which changes in the reported pronunciation of dissect in different editions of Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary series reflect real-world changes rather than just changes in the dictionary's pronunciation system and/or changes in its openness to ...

Cerberus

@tchrist As in the Anglophony, the Francophony, the Germanophony.

Hmm maybe I would write die-sect as disect and dis-sect as dissect.

alphabet

@Cerberus Which American-invented web browser are you using to access this page, out of curiosity?

Cerberus

00:06

@alphabet Fallacy.

Or maybe that's the one you're using.

alphabet

@Cerberus Most likely on an American-invented operating system. Quite possibly on an American brand of computer.

Cerberus

Repeating the same fallacy.

My computer is not of a brand.

And the parts were made in China.

tchrist

@Cerberus Perhaps so. But I wonder: does the first one not suggest it has /z/? Now we get watch people bicker about whether it's /ʌɪ/ or /əɪ/ or /ɐɪ/ or /aɪ/ or /ɑɪ/ or /ɑi/ or /ɑj/. Mark my words. :) And they'll've completely lost sight of the difference between phonemic transcriptions and detailed phonetic transcriptions useful to nobody much.

alphabet

@Cerberus I believe we're talking about inventions, not manufacturing processes.

Cerberus

@tchrist Hmm I hadn't thought of that.

Even so, /aɪ/ before -ss- is odd.

@alphabet I am going to stop responding to what you know very well is a fallacy.

alphabet

00:12

We even invented the McDonalds Filet-O-Fish.

And cheeseburgers. And cheeseburgers with donuts instead of buns.

Mitch

00:27

@alphabet now you're just bragging

alphabet

@Mitch I'm surprised nobody ever commercialized the donut-burger thing.

Robusto

@alphabet Wretched excess will only take you so far in this life.

alphabet

And the combination KFC/Taco Bell.

And tacos with shells made of fried chicken.

Robusto

Can you get that with whipped cream on top?

alphabet

@Robusto Which one?

Robusto

00:40

All of them.

alphabet

@Robusto We did invent the ice cream sundae.

And by "we" I do mean "a group of people including me personally."

Through time travel.

On an entirely unrelated note, Three-Quarters of U.S. Adults Are Now Overweight or Obese

Cerberus

Maybe the injections will change that.

alphabet

Possibly.

Mitch

01:09

@alphabet Why aren't people falling over themselves to nominate this for a Nobel Prize?

alphabet

@Mitch Hard to fall over yourself in a mobility scooter.

Mitch

@alphabet it's a skill you train for.

@alphabet We're winning!

Again!

alphabet

@Mitch It's because America has the best food. Other countries' cuisines aren't worth overeating.

Mitch

@Cerberus every day I hear of a new study that claims semaglutide is good for something unexpected.

Alcoholism.

Uh...another one I can't think of.

Cerberus

Even that!

Do you believe the studies?

Mitch

01:12

Cavities?

Cerberus

They suggest that the effect is independent of reducing food intake.

Mitch

@Cerberus some seem not implausible.

Cerberus

OK.

Mitch

Like repetitive behavior based on drives.

So the alcohol one sounds plausible to me.

@Cerberus oh. Reducing intake I thought was the main effect.

The explanation that I heard was that semaglutide, as a side thing from reducing A1C or whatever glucose metabolism mechanism it modified, it also is a desire suppressant.

Side effect?

Ie not an unintended consequence of the main effect.

But another effect of the chemical.

I mean a donut as a bun for a hamburger isn't holding the lily, it's like another lily.

Cerberus

That is what I read.

Robusto

01:27

@Mitch Did you mean "gilding" the lily?

Mitch

01:39

@Robusto yes that's what I meant. Typing on a phone adds a little temperature to the possibilities of what actually comes out.

I mean you can hold a lily all day long and it won't add much.

People should gild lilies left and right. It's be a good look.

CowperKettle

Cerberus

<doesn't get it>

jlliagre

a-ha - Take On Me (Official Video) [Remastered in 4K]

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Mitch

02:04

@jlliagre now I get it.

I guess I didn't watch enough MTV as a child.

CowperKettle

I wonder what "take on me" means

tchrist

03:51

@Mitch Alzheimer's. Alcoholism. Probably many if not all addictions. But beware of pulmonary aspiration under anaesthesia.

Also: Type-2 diabetes, obesity, heart disease.

Drug addiction.

Knee osteoarthritis pain. And again.

Vascular health.

Venous thromboëmbolism.

Stroke.

Chocoholism.

Opioid overdose deaths.

Brain health and cognitive function.

Certain cancers.

The Economist: It’s not just obesity. Drugs like Ozempic will change the world. Every day seems to bring more exciting news. First the drugs tackled diabetes. Then, with just an injection a week, they took on obesity.

Bariatric surgery.

Liver disease.

Cerberus

04:06

Which of those independently of food intake?

tchrist

@Mitch Nobel prize.

@Cerberus Probably opioid deaths?

I don't know, of course.

There clearly seems to be something beyond mere calorie reduction going on here.

I wonder whether it cures sex addicts.

> Three scientists involved in developing the blockbuster anti-obesity drugs that are currently changing the health-care landscape are among the winners of this year’s prestigious Lasker Awards. The prizes, which honour important advances in medical research, are often considered an indicator of whether a specific advance or scientist will win a Nobel Prize — and some are speculating that this could soon be the case for the weight-loss treatments.

Kidney disease.

Cerberus

@tchrist Hmm it is not easy to find a possible relation between low fat intake and low opioid overdose; however, if we try, can we come up with some?

tchrist

@Cerberus Why would these promote low fat intake in particular?

Cerberus

@tchrist There is a difference still between caloric intake and food intake.

@tchrist Oh, I don't think a relation in that direction would be interesting.

But the other way around, what can we come up with?

tchrist

These seem to quell cravings.

Of all things craved.

Not of all thing craven. :)

Cerberus

04:17

I mean between food intake and opioid use directly.

tchrist

I don't think drug addicts eat well.

Cerberus

In other words, could reduced or changed food intake reduce opioid overdosing?

tchrist

But just how depends on the drug category. Stimulants of course inhibit hunger. Opiates disrupt the alimentary canal in multiple ways.

Opiate addicts also suffer appetite suppression.

So they're all already not eating enough anyway.

Cerberus

That is not the direction I am trying to brainstorm about.

I will give an example.

tchrist

> Evidence from both preclinical and clinical studies demonstrates that chronic opioid exposure is associated with increased sugar intake.

Oh, now that's getting somewhere.

We know so little about all of this.

Cerberus

04:27

> We have found that participants with a lower body-mass index experience increased satisfaction with life, are more likely to have a romantic partner, and receive more positive feedback from colleagues and superiors; as a result, they experience less depression, pain, and other health issues.

Further, in those who lost at least 15% in body mass, the probability of undergoing surgery within the following 5 years decreased by 23%, including knee operations, bariatric bypasses, liposuction, plastic surgery, and kidney transplantations.

tchrist

Whatever they say about alleviation of osteoarthritic knee pain, I still wouldn't recommend injecting semaglutide into grinding knees instead of hyaluronic acid. :)

Cerberus

So what do you think of this? ↑

tchrist

I don't really understand opiate addiction. I'm not sure being fat leads to it.

Cerberus

Not detailed enough?

tchrist

Oh, ALL sorts of surgery.

Cerberus

04:34

It seemed obvious to me that improved psychological welfare might lead to less opioid use.

It also seemed obvious to to me that less surgery might lead to less opioid use.

Might.

tchrist

If cravings are in general diminished, not just those for food, then that might explain parts of this.

Cerberus

I think my point is not coming across.

tchrist

That because obesity is associated with many of these assorted comorbidities and negative outcomes, merely decreasing obesity also diminishes the rate of things associated with it?

Cerberus

I am trying to come up with possible ways in which reduced opioid overdose after taking semaglutide might be caused by reduced food intake, not by semaglutide directly.

tchrist

ok

Cerberus

04:37

@tchrist Yes, trying to link obesity to opioid use.

Just playing Hades' advocate.

tchrist

The pubmed paper says that recovering opiate addicts gain weight.

Cerberus

And does this also occur in people who used semaglutide?

It is very, very difficult to prove (the type of) causal relations in these matters.

A good study will try to filter out all possible alternative explanations.

Using statistics and other methods.

Robusto

@tchrist Well, a lot of these are just benefits attached to losing weight.

tchrist

They know this.

I hope my love of chocolate would not diminish with my waist circumference. :)

Nor increase with its expansion.

Cerberus

@tchrist It would...

That is exactly how semaglutide works, isn't it?

When you use too much, you will be a little bit nauseous too often.

I think?

tchrist

04:47

Oh hm.

Cerberus

And/or you lose all appetite.

tchrist

But are skinny people less loving of chocolate than fat people are?

Cerberus

Their total chocolate intake is much lower on average.

I hypothesise that taking the medicine will decrease one's appetite in general, so also for chocolate.

Not by so much that you won't like it any more, if dosed properly.

tchrist

And booze?

Cerberus

But I imagine you will crave it less.

I have no idea about booze.

I imagine it is like the way you feel when your tummy is fuller.

You can still eat, but you crave it less.

But I'm sure it is also more complex.

Robusto

04:50

They say the best weight-loss exercise is to push yourself away from the table.

Cerberus

Indeed.

If the first thing someone recommends when you say you want to lose fat is that you should exercise, he is a fool.

It is all about eating.

tchrist

Oh I don't know. I think me doing fifty miles a week on foot has something to do with it.

Robusto

@Cerberus Yup. I gained a few pounds this summer when I started drinking a lot of lemonade, mainly after rides. Then I stopped and my weight dropped back to normal.

Cerberus

@tchrist Exercise burns calories. So it can help a little bit, if it doesn't make you hungrier and eat more. But the main thing is eating less.

tchrist

I suppose I would have to eat substantially less to maintain my weight if I were sedentary.

Cerberus

04:53

@Robusto Hmm do you have any idea how many litres of lemonade you drank over the entire summer?

@tchrist Well, perhaps not as much less as you might think.

Walking for an hour, how much does that burn?

Robusto

@Cerberus I don't know, but I was drinking a lot. We always had three or four cartons in the fridge for after rides.

@Cerberus From 100 to 300 calories, or thereabouts.

My Sunday rides, 50 miles (80 km) burn anywhere from 1200 to 1600 calories depending on how hard I work.

tchrist

@Cerberus It depends on your weight, your velocity, the incline, and perhaps the altitude.

Cerberus

> A 35-year-old woman who weighs 150 pounds, is 5 feet 5 inches tall (BMR = 1,437), and walks for 60 minutes at 3.0 mph (3.5 METs) will burn 210 calories.

Let's say 200.

tchrist

I believe my walking would be about an extra pound and half worth of calories that I could eat without gaining weight.

That week.

Cerberus

If you walk at that speed, you'd walk about 17 hours, which would be 3400 kcal per week.

That is 1.7 semi-large chocolate bars.

tchrist

04:57

But the reason this is complicated is because your metabolism changes.

You have more muscle mass, which increases your burn rate even resting.

Cerberus

@tchrist Yes, or a bit less.

@tchrist Yes, but not by much.

It will be in this order of magnitude.

tchrist

Yes.

Cerberus

I can tell you walking makes me hungry.

And it will make me eat more than two extra bars of chocolate a week.

tchrist

Hm.

Cerberus

So, if I am not paying attention to what I eat, exercise alone won't make me thin.

I hate exercise, and I used to run every other day.

Robusto

04:59

I make it a point to eat protein after a ride, and some kind of avocados (either fresh or in guacamole).

Cerberus

It broke my will and made me buy a bag of crisps on my way back as I passed by the shop.

tchrist

Five miles before breakfast.

Ick, I would never ever do that.

But I might buy some protein thing.

Cerberus

So you have healthy eating-habits.

Robusto

@Cerberus It's the junk food that kills you.

Cerberus

That is far more important than exercise.

@Robusto Yes.

tchrist

05:01

Most Americans eat MOSTLY junk food, far more even than Brits.

Robusto

Usually for protein I eat smoked salmon after a ride. Very, very good for you. Healthy Omega-3 fatty acids.

Cerberus

Well, my BMI is now 21.84.

Robusto

That's fine.

Cerberus

Without doing any exercise that burns a lot of kcal.

tchrist

Mine's closer to 25 but I have a 32 waist so I'm happy with that.

Robusto

05:02

BMI is an unreliable measurement, though.

tchrist

It is.

Cerberus

What I mean is that I don't need to exercise to lose fat.

Exercise is healthy anyway, so I encourage it.

Robusto

But it helps.

Cerberus

But food is far more important with respect to losing fat.

That's all.

You may now return to your stations.

tchrist

No, we know this.

Cerberus

05:03

12 mins ago, by Cerberus

If the first thing someone recommends when you say you want to lose fat is that you should exercise, he is a fool.

Recommend eating less first.

tchrist

You might even gain weight by exercising. You'll just look thinner.

Cerberus

True.

But...

Robusto

I gained weight after I retired, but it's mostly quads and glutes adding muscle from the vastly increased riding.

tchrist

I wonder if you would become fat if you lived here.

Cerberus

> Normal muscle mass for man of 1m86: 30–40 kg (average 34 kg).
Body builder: 50 kg.
Calculations of excess muscle by the Behnke method revealed that the body builders had 15.6 kg excess muscle, power weight lifters 14.8 kg, and Olympic weight lifters 13.1 kg.

Robusto

05:06

And so to bed. Night all.

tchrist

Same.

Cerberus

So don't overestimate how much extra weight developing muscles will add.

Sleep well, both!

alphabet

05:28

@Cerberus Huh, interesting.

@Cerberus Traditional hunter-gatherers burn the same number of calories a day as modern Westerners.

Even fairly large amounts of exercise don't make you burn more total calories; your metabolism adjusts to compensate.

Cerberus

@alphabet What did you expect?

@alphabet And what is "metabolism", exactly?

alphabet

@Cerberus I'd have guessed it would be a bit larger.

Cerberus

Right, many people would think that.

"I'm not fat, it's just muscles".

alphabet

05:44

@Cerberus dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/metabolism

Cerberus

@alphabet I honestly find this a bit vague.

@alphabet Do you really think I do not know the word?

Of course I mean in context.

It could mean 1001 different processes.

Maybe the hunter-gatherers didn't expend that much energy in their physical exercise.

alphabet

The article I linked gives an explanation, though they don't so much pin down the exact process as perform a number of tests that measure the body's total energy expenditure.

Cerberus

I read the second half.

It gives no numbers, and it is not very specific in its explanations.

Maybe they only expended 200 kcal a day extra, and the study didn't consider that significant.

alphabet

The article links the full study which is available for free.

Cerberus

Yeah I'm just afraid I will be a bit disappointed.

Studies generating the most astounding headlines are often the least conclusive.

alphabet

05:55

Granted, by normal medical standards, dieting is an extraordinarily ineffective treatment also; the vast majority of dieters do not end up maintaining a substantially lower weight in the long term.

Any similar treatment for a disease would--even if patient noncompliance were the sole reason for its lack of efficacy--be considered near-useless.

Cerberus

@alphabet Because they can't stick to it, right.

My weight went from maybe 95 to 75 by eating less.

I didn't follow a specific diet, though.

M.A.R.

08:47

@Cerberus opioid overdoses usually only happen in opioid addicts, or people who're trying and usually failing to quit (with methadone). A relevant study should narrow its focus to opioid addicts.

@Cerberus surgeries don't make people addicted to opioids.

A soldier with a wounded leg wouldn't become addicted to injected morphine. But if they take some while they're fine and not experiencing a lot of pain, then yeah.

jlliagre

10:37

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Q: "Take On Me" - Scandinavianism or valid English?

"Take On Me" is a song by the Norwegian band A-ha, from their album Hunting High and Low released in 1985, and the lyrics (and title) has been bothering me for the past thirty years or so. The chorus goes something like this: Take on me (take on me) Take me on (take on me) I'll be gone In a day ...

lyrics

CowperKettle

13:16

A.I. vs Human Art

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@jlliagre Thank you!

tchrist

@Cerberus Shedding more than a fifth of one's bodily mass is a remarkable feat, a result far beyond what every previously known intervention can reliably reproduce, possibly excepting bariatric surgery and maybe not even that. If merely "eating less" had so dramatic effect on one's overall health outlook that it notably improved outcomes in so many unrelated, gravely serious health issues as some of these reports suggest may be occurring, why wouldn't that be THE first treatment plan?

Surely any doctor will tell you that losing that much would indeed have dramatic and far-reaching improvements on morbidity, mortality, and quality of life. My medically unlicensed general impression of the fundamental problem here is that no safe and effective treatment plan, at least prior to the GLP-1 agonists, has ever been shown to produce consistent results in achieving that level of success across the general populace. Otherwise it would be being used already, no?

Aurora calls and I must away.

Mitch

13:53

@tchrist NOOOOO! not that!

holds face in hands, sobbing uncontrollably

@M.A.R. Don't you mean '...less likely...' (for injured soldiers and '...more likely...' for injured people?

@jlliagre That lyric and question about the word order been spinning in my head for counts on fingers -many- years.

As a native English speaker I thought 'Take on me' was them being weird on purpose (I had no idea they were Norwegian), and the meaning was something like 'try to get me' (because I can't hear lyrics even in my own language so I don't know what the rest of the song is about)

@Cerberus That's a good example of Berkson's paradox... Selecting a topic for inclusion in things to be reported where the criteria are either sexy or important will impose a negative correlation between sexy and important that isn't actually there. So sexy topics you hear about will tend to sound unimportant and important things will tend to sound unsexy.

(of course there are sexy important things that get reported too, it's just the not reporting things that are both unsexy and unimportant imposes this unexpected correlation on what gets reported.

I'm not sure if the two properties are exactly 'sexy' and 'important', but the paradox works for any two features where you remove one quadrant (of X and Y, or -X and Y, or X and -Y, or -X and -Y)

@Cerberus I'm pretty sure knee pain, heart disease, liver disease are downstream effects, ir not caused directly by GLP-1 but indirectly by weight loss. (All those studies/reports seem to be correlational anyway)

Dementia itself is a (possible) effect of poor cardiovascular health, but Alzheimer's is (probably) not

(in that long list that @tchrist gave)

CowperKettle

14:31

I don't know why it's such torture for me to open some letters, private messages, and make a call to a woman I know well. I last called her in September.

It's like my brain is trying to "prepare for" a conversation or reading a letter/message, and there's some affect, and the brain gets overloaded.

It feels like being a person with autism.

Robusto

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tchrist

15:10

@CowperKettle I completely sympathize with that.

M.A.R.

15:33

@Mitch I don't know what you're saying but I'm saying extreme pain (from a broken leg, gunshot wound, cancer etc.) triggers something akin to dysphoria in the brain, i.e. the opposite end of the spectrum from euphoria. So opioids bring back the 'mood' to near normalcy, and thus don't trigger brain responses that lead to addiction.

IOW a cancer patient is truly only taking hydrocodone because they would feel a lot of pain otherwise, not because they're addicted.

Though worth pointing out that this argument is valid for acute pain. For chronic pain, and thus chronic opioid usage, opioids alter the pain threshold in different individuals differently. So if you're unlucky, they would actually lower the pain threshold. The result is that some cancer patients, just like some addicts, eventually need a higher dose of opioids, because their nervous system has become more sensitive towards pain stimuli.

Of course, the risk of overdose increases, since most other effects of opioids are not altered in the brain, most important being respiratory depression. If it would take 200 mg of oxycodone for my brain to stop sending signals to my chest to breathe, it would always take 200 mg, regardless of the dose I'm taking.

Same goes for uh, constipation

Mitch

@M.A.R. What I was saying wa that I thought you were saying that injured soldiers do not become opioid addicts and that people with no pain who start to take opiods are the one's who might become addicts. And I was just saying that one should waffle a bit and say that some people with actual pain -might- become addicts, just less likely than those without actual pain to start off with.

M.A.R.

@Mitch people with real pain who become addicts probably take a higher dose of opioids than they need for a painkiller effect, though I'm not sure if this is definitively established.

Also, again, chronic pain, as opposed to acute pain. Which is infinitely more complicated.

We're desperately looking for strong painkillers for chronic pain, because NSAIDs aren't strong enough, triptans only treat migraine, and opioids have all these pitfalls.

GratefulDisciple

16:06

@Mitch I didn't get it too. Missed the whole MTV period, but the song sounds familiar. Liked the unplugged version better. Quite interesting to see the camera capturing how the ladies are really "taken in". Or I should say "engaged".

Watching it reminds me how I was strangely enamored by several songs of another Norwegian band(?) from late 1990s M2M such as their most famous Don't Say You Love Me that when listening to it again I appreciate the lyrics a lot more as healthy girls' self-esteem to demand space and respect from those who pursue them.

Glad that the two girls (now ladies) picked up where they left off and are still good singing with their acoustic guitars as late as this year. Give me inspiration to still continue practicing piano/organ at my stage of life. I also respect them for composing, arranging, and performing their own with acoustic instruments.

jlliagre

16:25

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tchrist

17:24

@Cerberus I don't mean to quibble, but I have a suspicion that your back-of-the-envelope calculations of how much extra energy I'm spending each week are too low. These are not pleasant strolls meandering through parkings lots or along the canals of Amsterdam. These are hikes in the foothills which apart from the 5–10 minute warm-up and cool-down periods at either end, are at a sustained level of moderate exertion at or above 65% max cardio, punctuated by intervals of vigorous exertion at 85%.

@Cerberus When I get back everything I was wearing is completely drenched with sweat and needs to be immediately stripped off my body. Is that your idea of "walking"? I suspect not. These are 4½ to 5 mile hikes that are never level and which involve repeated hiil-climbs of 100, 200, and 300 feet for a total gain of around 750 feet overall. I've stopped the more severe ones with 500 and 600 foot climbs whose steepness was hurting my knees on the downhill when done daily.

Cerberus

17:47

@M.A.R. That 'quotation' I wrote myself as a mock-up, to give an example of what a conexion between reduced obesity and reduced risk of opioid overdose might look like. A thought experiment.

@M.A.R. Are you saying someone who never used opioid and someone who got some opioids to take home have the same chance of getting addicted to opioids?

@tchrist Yes, of course eating less is / can be hard.

Especially if you have been obese, which can change your hormones permanently or something, making you eat more for life.

@Mitch Hmm isn't this only true if sexy and important are (sufficiently) independent factors?

@Mitch Yes, so one would think.

Mitch

18:05

@Cerberus thinking more continuously, the more correlated the two are, the smaller the effect is, but there is always an effect.

I'm sure there's a good picture, but in words....

If totally uncorrelated, in a 2d box there are points in a cloud all over the box. No good line through the points.

If somewaht correlated, then the points kind of make a fuzzy cloud that looks like it sort of follows a line.

If highly correlated, the points are close to a the line.

If perfectly correlated, all the points are on a line.

alphabet

As a raccoon, I plan to lose about half my body weight by spring. Shouldn't be too difficult, just gotta follow that Joe Rogan zero-carb diet.

Mitch

Now choosing only those points above a threshold on both axes is like a diagonal cutoff line from 0,1 to 1,0

On the totally uncorrelated line, the triangle of points left over is now negatively correlated.

On the somewhat correlated line, the left over points are now negatively correlated, or possible uncorrelated.

For the highly correlated set, the left over points will have less correlation and possibly negative, than a fitted line to the original.

For the perfectly correlated set, yes there is no change in correlation.

The end is that choosing the X or Y set will decrease the correlation (except not in the (very unlikely) situation of perfect correlation)

Robusto

19:47

@M.A.R. When I had my knee replacement surgery I was on Dilaudid for about 4-6 weeks. Not only did I not get addicted, I couldn't wait to get off of it. It ruined my sleep and did nothing for the pain of physical therapy.

Robusto

20:08

#WhenTaken #264 (17.11.2024)

I scored 777/1000🏅

1️⃣📍3.3 km - 🗓️21 yrs - 🥈151/200
2️⃣📍117 m - 🗓️6 yrs - 🥇193/200
3️⃣📍1.3 km - 🗓️12 yrs - 🥇179/200
4️⃣📍870 m - 🗓️12 yrs - 🥇179/200
5️⃣📍6.5K km - 🗓️18 yrs - 🥉75/200

https://whentaken.com

Robusto

20:25

Pic taken on my Sunday ride ^

Criggie

22:15

@Robusto Whereabouts is that ?

Robusto

@Criggie Nuevo Mexico

tchrist

22:33

@Cerberus I was genuinely surprised at how many of your questions about the American picking-the-president system were also directly asked in this NPR podcast. I have to scamper off now. I tried to find a text transcript but failed. It is genuinely worth listening to but I cannot ask you to do so because that's far too much of an imposition on your time. I couldn't believe how often it asked your own questions.

@Robusto Looks very much like here but we have an immaculate sky today.

Robusto

@tchrist Yeah, but maculate skies are more interesting, neh?

tchrist

Igual a un café macchiato. :)

o sea, machado

Yes, photographers have been known to deliberately add clouds in post-processing that were never there in the actual capture because in makes everything more interesting.

Cerberus

@tchrist Hmm if we ask the same questions, what does that say about me?

Or about it?

I will put it in a tab.

My guess would be that things developed in a direction vaguely similar to the Dutch Republic of the Seven Provinces and the early kingdom.

And perhaps also to the Burgundian period before.

jlliagre

23:01

@tchrist Caminante, no hay camino. Se hace camino al andar.

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