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13:01
Kentucky Fried Chicken thinks legs are a choice, but there they call them drumsticks.
Jeezis has left the room.
In elementary school, we would often be fed these bizarre things called “mock chicken legs” in our institutional lunches.
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@tchrist Who is Jeezis? I still see Jez in this room.
It appears to be a holdover from times when people were unable to afford chicken, so would use ground offal and cornflakes and such to make fake drumsticks. Here in an article about mock meals.
> Chicken was in short supply, so in the pages of the Star you could find food writer Jessie Marie De Both's recipe for Mock Chicken Legs with Grilled Tomato and Spaghetti, where pork and veal stood in for poultry, and a skewer stood in for the bone. Loblaws was selling mock chicken for five cents a leg in 1934, according to an ad in the Star. "Everyone may have a drumstick when mock chicken legs are served," the ad said.
I don’t know that I have ever seen mushrooms in a pumpkin soup.
Everyone’s pumpkins looked like snowmen here this week.
Have you ever had raspberry soup?
It is served chilled.
I think it might be a Scandinavian thing; I have never seen it outside Wisconsin or Minnesota.
13:35
Yet another Commonwealther (Commonwelt?) who doesn’t know his wazoo from his ying-yang.
Reminds me of the fanny problem.
Haha the old quick trap.
Someone's silver is really fast.
Silver for the quick, or the dead?
Also, how come I can't upvote your Low Quality Post? I have to navigate to it on the site.
I can’t wait till the ferret gets to wangadoodle.
Looks like low quality posts are only allowed to look good or be deleted.
You getting a Spanish idiom wrong would be a novum.
13:39
I usually put a quick hipshooter line in, and then flesh it out later if I find uncover something referenceable, as with the ying-yang question.
Cutting to the quick is not getting to the heart of something?
Look, both my quicks align!
It is. Hence would, not is.
Can’t get 3. Oh well.
Getting to the meat of the matter?
So, where else do we still have quick? It escapes me. Lots of German words come to mind, but not the one English one I have at the tip of the tongue.
Maybe the living part under the bark of a tree?
The funny thing is, IIRC, quick is related to zoo.
Or was it bio?
I don't remember!
But some fun stuff was going on there.
Via Greek.
13:43
βίος
> from PIE root *gwiwo- "to live" (see bio-).
Maybe.
Oh yes.
Okay. So what's the deal with the zoo, then.
Comm. Teut.: OE. cwicu, c(w)ucu and cwic, c(w)uc-, = OFris. quik, quek (mod.Fris. quick, queck), OS. quik (MDutch quic, Dutch kwik), OHG. quec, quecch- and chec, checch- (MHG. quec, queck- and kec, keck-, G. keck lively, pert, bold; also dial. queck, quick), ONor. kvik-r, kvikv- and kyk-r, kykv- (MSw. qvik, qvek, Sw. qvick; Da. kvik, also kvæg sb., ‘cattle’, and kvæg-, kvik- in combs. as kvæg- or kviksand):-OTeut. *kwikwo-z.
The origin of the second k is obscure; it is absent in the Gothic *qius (in pl. qiwai):-*kwiwo-z, from the common Aryan *gwī̆wo- which appears in Skr. jīvá, L. vīvus (f
Don't wanna make the same mistake again.
> From comb. form of Gk. zoion "an animal," lit. "a living being," from PIE root *gwei- "to live, life" (cf. Gk. bios "life," O.E. cwicu "living;" see bio-)
Haha I was right on both accounts.
So. Cut to the zoo!
13:45
Are you looking for a use of quick as a noun?
Right up your waquick!
In some set phrase?
I honestly don't know what I'm looking for. I thought there was a word.
> 1800 Tuke Agric. 85 ― Quicking-drag. In the northern part of the vale of York, a drag on an excellent construction is used, for cleaning the land from quicks.
There are a bazillionplex idioms using quick in the first of the five quick entries.
Which meaning of quick is it in quick-witted? Etymonline is ambiguous.
13:47
Fast
Sharp
Clever
So fast, not lively.
Would make sense, seeing how it's three hundred years younger than the shift started happening.
quick-action, quick-and-dirty, quick-aught, quickbeam, quick bread, quick-break, quick buck, quick-build, quick-cake,
quick-change, quick-clay, quick cut, quick death, Quick Dick, quick-disconnect, quicken, quickened, quickener,
quickening, quickening-grass, quick-eyed, quick-fingered, quick-fire, quick-firer, quick-fix, quick-foot, quick-freeze,
quick-freezing, quick-frozen, quickgold, quick-grass, quickhatch, quick heel, quick-heel, quickie, quicking,
quick-in-the-hand, quickish, quick kick, quick kill, quick-knit, quicklike, quicklime, quick-loader, quick-look,
Quicksand.
That was it.
Ah right.
Living sand.
13:49
And quicksilver for mercury.
Yes, that's where we started.
For actually quite interesting reasons.
12 mins ago, by RegDwighт
Someone's silver is really fast.
That was in reference to the commenter on your answer.
Do you know why it is called that?
I have a feeling I read it a zillion times by now, but I'm not going out on a limb.
13:51
Don’t know if you waded through Stephenson’s interminable Baroque Cycle.
It's Quecksilber in German, with an E. But quicklebendig, with an I.
It has to do with using mercury to get silver from ore, I think.
Yeah I was thinking gold mining...
Where it's still used today.
And quicksand is Treibsand.
To round that up.
Drift sand.
An amalgam of mercury is used in mining to remove silver from ore. I don’t know about gold.
Driftsand, like in dunes?
No idea how these are related.
13:54
The patio process was a process used to extract silver from ore. The process was invented by Bartolomé de Medina in Pachuca, New Spain (Mexico), in 1554. The patio process was the first process to use mercury amalgamation to recover silver from ore. It replaced smelting as the primary method of extracting silver from ore at Spanish colonies in the Americas. Other amalgamation processes were later developed, importantly the pan amalgamation process, and its variant, the Washoe process. The silver separation process generally differed from gold parting and gold extraction, although amalgamat...
I can only say that Treibsand is not used to refer to dunes in contemporary German. Would be strange to refer to these as "quicksand".
Drifting dunes are dry. It’s swamps, bogs, and marshes that might have quicksand, which isn’t quick as in fast.
Countless rivers all over the world are poisonous because of the tons of mercury used in gold washing.
You forget where I live?
This is a list of Superfund sites in Colorado designated under the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act (CERCLA) environmental law. The CERCLA federal law of 1980 authorized the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to create a list of polluted locations requiring a long-term response to clean up hazardous material contaminations. These locations are known as Superfund sites, and are placed on the National Priorities List (NPL). The NPL guides the EPA in "determining which sites warrant further investigation" for environmental remediation. ...
Obviously it's illegal or at least heavily regulated in sane countries.
13:58
The problem is not that they are doing it now; it is that it is still there.
I'm trying to remember the huge disaster site en route to Leadville.
Of course.
I'm just saying that there are enough places, way too many, where they are still doing it now.
Climax mine.
The Climax mine, located in Climax, Colorado, United States, is a major molybdenum mine in Lake and Summit counties, Colorado. Shipments from the mine began in 1915. At its highest output, the Climax mine was the largest molybdenum mine in the world, and for many years it supplied three-fourths of the world's supply of molybdenum. After a 17-year shutdown, the Climax mine has reopened and made its first shipment of molybdenum on May 10, 2012. History The prospector Charles Senter discovered and claimed the outcropping of molybdenite (molybdenum sulfide) veins in 1879, during the Lea...
> The closing of the Climax mine in the 1980s was a major blow to the town's economy. In addition, the many years of mining left behind substantial contamination of the soil and water, so that the Environmental Protection Agency designated some former mining sites in Leadville as Superfund sites. The town is now 98% cleaned up and the Superfund designation is about to expire.
There were originally going to make Leadville the state capital.
We figure that we’d’ve won all of our spectator-sports matches, because the other teams would have given us a bye.
Denver has Mile High Stadium, but Leadville has Two Mile High Stadium.
People don’t really say molybdenum so much. It is hard on your mouth parts. Miners just say moly/molly.
> Coming onto freeway after stopping for gas we came upon a middle aged, potbellied dufus that is urinating in full view of every car. His wife, girlfriend, unfortunate, stupid companion, standing by his side, no less. As he spies us, two women in a car only a few feet from him, he waggles his wangadoodle at us many, many times grinning like the royal buffoon he is. Please help me understand what has become of the human race.
> Molys have almost zero resistance at room temperature: that's a dead short {4}! It's tricky to coax them up with power. A very small amount of power has to be applied in increments. For example, a 9mm/18mm Moly with a 32-inch hot zone and a 17-inch "cold end," will draw 365 amperes!
Who'd have thunk I'd be spending this Saturday reading this.
14:16
No, I did not mean “molly” O Google.
> The term "molly" colloquially refers to MDMA in powder or crystalline form, usually implying a higher level of purity.
Holly Molly.
I am unfond of people not applying inflectional morphology on English.
Well, at least it kerns.
For the first time in my life I stopped to think what that name might be referring to.
14:19
From your sign?
Sorry?
Which name?
"Liqui Moly"?
Ah yes. Yes, that.
I wonder what happened to their d.
Phantasy names are like that.
14:20
So, does it have moly in it?
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The owl always looks so smart in that posture.
Fancy that.
Futu-o-rama.
Liqui Moly GmbH is a German company specializing in oils, lubricants and additives. Founding Liqui Moly GmbH was founded in 1957 in Ulm on the river Danube. The patent for production of molybdenum disulfide formed the basis for the company. This additive based on liquified molybdenum disulfide (MoS2) was the company's first product and gave the company its name. Products Liqui Moly's main product is motor oil with MoS2 but there are also other lubricants with MoS2 and the additive MoS2 itself to be added by the end user during oil changes. Molybdenum disulfide enhances the lubricatio...
Haha. Really?
14:22
I’m not a fast Photoshopper.
That's like Oil of Ulay being called different things in different countries.
user19161
@RegDwighт Oil of Ulan?
> This led to the introduction of Oil of Ulay (UK and Ireland), Oil of Ulan (Australia) and Oil of Olaz (France, Italy, the Netherlands and Germany).
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@RegDwighт OMG!
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Just like Wally and Waldo!
14:24
Or El Vital of L'Oreal. It's called funny things in funny countries, too.
Maybe it offends anglophone sensibilities too much to strike the d from liquid, so they used lubro here.
I have no idea.
user19161
Lubricant sounds naughty.
Elvital, Elvive, Elsève...
user19161
Also, different brands but similar products like yakult and vitagen.
14:26
@tchrist it's funnier when they don't stop to think. Which happens more often, too.
A yakult is what you call a baby yak.
Like calling cars Pajero. Or marketing Blue Water in Russia, where it means "barf".
Unless she’s a yafilly.
@tchrist it does offend me, though, that it doesn't really say lubro, but ωbro.
Word-long ligatures are so 1960.
Time for a revamp.
Zapfino.
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14:30
I think I am 20 per cent gay.
You only like one guy in five?
@JasperLoy that can quickly become dangerous depending on how many cents you have.
If you don't get rid of change quickly, soon enough you'll be OVER 9000 gay.
If somebody doesn’t care for 95% of the guys and 99% of the gals, are they 80% gay?
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I know Reg Dwight is certainly gay.
Or 95.5% asexual?
14:33
I'm searching for that Seinfeld quote and can't find it.
The bottom is what happens when you add an o to the top one, making a full-word ligature automagically.
It is true, though.
Of course it's true.
When everyone is beautiful, no one is.
What, we have two saints now? What is this room coming to?
Do you remember the day Mother Theresa died?
14:37
You mean Lady Di?
Damn you.
wonders whether damning a saint works
Damn everyone. Nobody gave a shit about Mother Teresa. It was Lady Di everywhere.
I guess I'll have to go shop for groceries. Hate leaving the house on a Saturday.
And it's cold like hell.
Or the opposite of hell.
Nor C.S. Lewis or Aldous Huxley the day JFK bit it.
Nordic hell is cold.
The temperature went down 15 degrees Centigrade in a single day.
user19161
@RegDwighт There are hot hells as well as cold hells for your info.
14:39
Well, duh.
It is called normal.
Not in a maritime climate, no.
Anyhow. I'll start by paying a visit to the showermobile.
Oh I should do that, too.
I envy people who can go shopping without washing themselves.
I cannot. It is too gross.
This may be modernist OCD.
Convenience is always gross.
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14:40
@RegDwighт Enjoy the water!
Manners are always inconvenient.
Anyways. Lators.
user19161
Reg needs to clean his feathers.
He’s preening.
Did you see that outrageous sunrise time?
Even in metric, it is too late.
Is there a mnemonic for how to spell spell?
Yes, you make a game of it.
14:43
Ach, me missus is after me to take out the trash. I told 'er that was a moderator's job, but she insists. Back later.
wonders how far Rob’s trash requires takingouting
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Just fling the whole bag out of the damn window.
So you want him to defenestrate the missus?
wonders what happens if he misses the missus
Perhaps we should vote things till they have not round numbers but prime ones.
I just never understand Kris.
15:24
@tchrist It means going to the dump in our town.
@tchrist Look here, my man.
You're welcome.
A crysknife is a fictional weapon in the Dune universe created by Frank Herbert. According to the 1965 novel Dune, it is made from the crystal tooth of Shai'Hulud, the giant sandworms that live below the sands of the desert planet Arrakis. A crysknife is the formal and sacred weapon of the planet's native Fremen. It is a milk-white, double-edged curved knife, the blade about 20 centimeters long. The crysknife comes in two forms, fixed and unfixed. Unfixed knives need to be stored in proximity to an electrical field produced by the human body or they will disintegrate after a period of ...
Maybe Kris is fictional.
@Reg Do you know the piano transcription of Albéniz’s Suite Espagnole, in particular, the one called Leyenda or Asturias? I have a transcription that gets to pounding octaves in both hands. It’s really intense, and reminds you why the piano is classified amongst the percussion instruments.
Why do you suppose Beethoven wrote a sonata called das Hammerklavier?
Well, there is that.
15:39
Anyway, fuck @Reg and his able-to-reach-a-twelfth hands. I struggle with tenths.
Tenths on the edges.
Rasputin or Chopin, hard to tell.
Liszt.
Liszt. Out of my league, definitely.
I can play some Rachmaninoff, but even that's a stretch.
Still, it all comes back to Mozart, doesn't it? Nothing unwinds my soul quite the same way.
I have some Rocky. No Liszt.
The only reason I can reach a tenth is that I am double-jointed in my thumbs, and even that is on the edges. My hand is exactly one hand wide.
I arpeggiate a lot.
Eight inches?
Four inches.
Measured from side to side.
15:45
Oh, I thought you were talking about your hand extended.
macbook# units '1 hand' inches
	* 4
	/ 0.25
And mine actually is.
Oddly — and sadly — enough.
Yeah, I knew that. My wife is an equestrienne.
Anything you say, Willard.
You need more than eight inches to reach a tenth, extended. At one point in my life I worked on getting my left hand to span 9 inches. I stretched like every day. But unless I kept it up, it went away. I wasn't prepared to go the Robert Schumann route, so eventually I just gave up.
I just can’t do it.
15:50
But tenths in the bass sound awesome.
I can only do a ninth, not a tenth, and even that only if it is on the same color.
Yes, that probably keeps the third far enough from the root so as not to get too muddy too quickly in the overtones.
Thirds go bad quickly.
That’s why you will see 1-5 1-3-5 chords.
Skip the third downstairs.
But 5-1 1-3-5 works well, too.
That's a 6-4 chord, which leads you to the dominant.
Right.
Well, I have to run to the office today. Later.
16:19
@tchrist all I have of Albeniz'es has been transcribed for the guitar.
@Rob and das Hammerklavier is just the name of the instrument. You do know how a piano works, right?
And who needs Betthoven when I only just finished struggling with R. Kelly.
Gbm/A is not to be underestimated.
I keep playing shit instead.
16:31
I sure hope you mean G♭ minor / A major, not Glioblastoma.
Although I do not understand the relationship between those two keys.
G♭ minor with A in the bass.
Or Gbm/A for short. The ubiquitous notation of which I don't know the name.
Oh, ok.
It's really boringly easy as long as he goes C - Fm - C - Fm, but then he decides to modulate by a tone, and I'm losing it.
For some weird reason I keep hitting Abm instead of Gbm.
Are you on guitar?
Piano.
16:35
Oh, ok. Then I can follow. :)
Only happens with this song, too.
Then again, Gbm is not a chord you'll run into too often.
God knows it is an obscene key.
Should be F-sharp minor.
Anyone who doesn't know the first thing about piano can play in C. Anyone who does know the first thing about piano can play in Eb. But stuff like C#m or Gbm is reserved for really weird shit. Like the Moonlight Sonata or I Believe I Can Fly, respectively.
I do not like to think of five flats and two double-flats when I can just think of three sharps instead.
C#m is ok, cause it is relative to E. Only four sharps.
It is really funny how you can tell just by looking at the first chord in a song whether it was composed by a guitarist or a pianist.
16:38
You can?
All early stuff of Ms Spears' just shouts, "Max Martin was putting me together on a piano".
I am not particularly conversant with her opus.
@tchrist I dare you to play in Eb on a guitar. Without a capo, that is.
Eb is a warm key on the piano. It is nice.
Guitar is always like Em or Am or E or A, for quite obvious reasons.
Piano is usually Eb or Bb or F or C.
I'm talking about pop music, of course.
16:42
I don't have synaesthesia, but I attribute emotional characteristics to the different keys.
Which I should not be doing under equal temperament.
Like D being a "bright" key, and Eb being "warm".
I spent a lot of years reading from "fake books" (do you know what those are?) so automatically generate chords in the left hand without thinking, given just the melody for the right and the guitar-chord names to go off.
But maybe that is because they choose only keys with easy fingers for I-IV-V7 boringness.
I don't think I've heard of fake books, no.
It is a popsong book with just the treble/vocal melody written out, and the guitar chord listed above.
And obviously some keys are brighter and others warmer, everyone and his dog agrees on that, starting three hundred years ago, but why that would be escapes me.
So you have to know the fingers for A9 just by seeing that. It is all pretty sight-readable.
It is because of overtones. But in equal temperament, there should be no difference.
@tchrist ah that. Well, that's how I play most stuff.
16:48
A fake book is a collection of musical lead sheets intended to help a performer quickly learn new songs. Each song in a fake book contains the melody line, basic chords, and lyrics - the minimal information needed by a musician to make an impromptu arrangement of a song, or "fake it." The fake book is a central part of the culture of playing music in public, particularly in jazz, where improvisation is particularly valued. Fake books are not intended for novices: the reader must follow and interpret the scant notation, and generally needs to have thorough familiarity with chords and shee...
I don't even look at the notes, I look at the chord name.
Exactly. Same here.
It's faster.
It is, and I wonder why.
When there are no chord names, I take a pencil, go through the piece and add them.
16:48
Yep. :)
The funny thing is, I always struggled, and still do, with Basso Continuo, which is basically the same idea.
Yes, it is.
I can't read all these 46es.
I know the 48, but are the 46es?
A quart and a sext?
16:51
Oh I don’t like those.
The 4s and the 6s seem by far the most common to me.
The numbers don’t help me. I have to write in the chord names.
I have all the knowledge in the world necessary to figure it out, but I'm plain too lazy.
It isn’t instantly recognizable. It has to be worked out. At least, for me.
We studied this in tenth grade, for crying out loud. I should know it by heart by now. Instead I just hate it.
16:53
I took music theory in the 10th grade, too, but not since.
Never took in college; wrong school.
In college, I passed for individual piano lessons, but couldn’t get in because I was in the School of Letters and Sciences, not in the School of Music. So I paid the instructor I would have had out-of-pocket for equivalent off-the-books lessons.
So many questions about choices and options lately.
And I see nohat finally got his badge.
Yup.

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