English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

CowperKettle

02:58

Man-size in Marble | A Ghost Story by Edith Nesbit | A Bitesized Audiobook

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A guy produces quality content by reading stories aloud

Criggie

I did that once, read a book onto tape for someone.

Was hard work

CowperKettle

Kleingarten

Der Kleingarten (KLG), auch Schrebergarten, Heimgarten, Familiengarten (bes. in der Schweiz), im Süddeutschen und Schweizerischen auch Bünt, Pünt oder Beunde, im Ostdeutschen Datsche oder verallgemeinernd als Parzelle oder Laube, bezeichnet ein eingezäuntes Stück Land als Garten. Insbesondere liegt er in einer Anlage von Grundstücken, die von Vereinen (Kleingärtnervereinen, Kleingartenvereinen (KGV oder KLV), Schweiz: Püntenpächtervereinen, anderswo mitunter Gartensparte) verwaltet werden, und wo die Flächen oder Gärten günstig an Mitglieder verpachtet sind. Solche Anlagen werden auch als G...

> Laubenpieper ist eine (scherzhafte) Bezeichnung für den Besitzer eines Kleingartens (mit einer Gartenlaube), wobei das genutzte Grundstück im übertragenen Sinn oft Laube genannt wird.

I wonder what makes Laubenpieper funny

@Criggie Nice!

Criggie

03:31

yeah I had to read the book normally, then read it aloud to tape. Which took 10x as long

worst, it was some BS self-help thing, I've forgotten it

SmokeDetector

04:19

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad phone number in body, bad phone number in title (392): Credit Go Loan app CusTomer Care Helpline, Number.=09660802816((-))8310608473call now‭ by Gsdg Gstui‭ on english.SE

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Cerberus

@Criggie That sounds terrible.

Self-help books.

Why did you do it?

Criggie

05:03

as a teenager - money

Cerberus

Oh, it was a job.

Was the payment satisfactory?

Xanne

08:10

@Criggie were you doing it for a specific person, or a oublisher? Could you correct errors as you went, and was your recording the final, or did the publisher edit? Books on tape are a big business these days, perhaps partly computerized.

Criggie

09:21

no it was a one-off for a friend's mum.

This was in the 90's so CDs existed but not recordable in any format the home user had access to

Conrado

11:41

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Q: Is there a word for "Congratulating oneself or others, for behaving the way one ought to behave?"?

When I was young, a workmate convinced me that there was indeed a word which described the behaviour of someone who would congratulate themselves for behaving the way a person normally ought to, anyway. I don't want to write that word here, because some people might think part of it seems racist....

OK, I think they're right that "part of it seems racist", or something like that. IMO, it sounds like the workmate was trolling.

But none of the comments or answers addresses this, because OP added the word in question after more than a year of the question staying in it's vague original state.

Where are the close voters when you need'em?

The only google hits I see for it (or it's clearly referent alternative spelling) are this question, a UD entry, and an instagram post.

I dved because the question "does not show any research effort". Additionally, it was unclear in it's previous form; leaving only it's dubious usefulness as its only [equally dubious] saving quality.

Robusto

13:16

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MetaEd

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jlliagre

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Lambie

14:02

@Cerberus "But I imagine there may be speakers of French whose é can be like English /ɪ/ depending on context?" That is just bullsheet. French ain't got eet. i.e. /ɪ/ é is é in French.

Robusto

15:35

“I disagree with Kamala’s position on the war in Gaza. How can I vote for her?” Here is my answer:

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CowperKettle

16:21

I would have voted for Sanders as President

Vikas

@CowperKettle Me too.

Robusto

16:41

Well, me too. But I didn't get the chance to, since he was never on the ballot.

The ballots these days are divided: sorta okay against monstrous evil.

@tchrist ^ You would agree, I'm sure.

CowperKettle

"Из двух зол выбирай меньшее"

Robusto

@CowperKettle That's been the story of my voting since I came of age.

Lambie

17:05

@Robusto Bernie at his best. And you gotta love those creative air quotes of his. :)

Robusto

@Lambie Indeed.

Conrado

17:52

ABC news, AI powered transcription tool in hospital invents things

> While most developers assume that transcription tools misspell words or make other errors, engineers and researchers said they had never seen another AI-powered transcription tool hallucinate as much as Whisper.

> ... In an example they uncovered, a speaker said, “He, the boy, was going to, I’m not sure exactly, take the umbrella.”
> But the transcription software added: “He took a big piece of a cross, a teeny, small piece ... I’m sure he didn’t have a terror knife so he killed a number of people.

Criggie

I'd vote for Bernie. But I can't vote.

M.A.R.

@Conrado Putting AI in charge of something important and it botches it up horribly and dangerously? Truly, no one could have seen this coming.

Conrado

Yeah. But hallucinating in a transcription?

To be fair, OpenAI reccomends against using Whisper in critical applications like that...

M.A.R.

@Criggie well if we're considering the impossibilities I'd have liked a system that added another choice besides hypocrites and evil greedy lunatics. Or at least, limited the repercussions of said choice to the inside of a certain country and not outside of it, certainly not 8000 miles away where I live

Is it 8000? I haven't checked really

Conrado

8000 miles is about 120°, I think.

M.A.R.

18:04

@Conrado can't help itself. It's in its nature. Unless they dramatically change how they do all these large language model thingamajigs.

Robusto

@Conrado Roughly, yes, and a bit.

M.A.R.

If it has been trained on Harrison, and it has been trained on The Dark Tower by Stephen King, it will use them both.

At least I think?

> 7,350 mi
Distance from United States to Iran

Close enough

Though I don't live smack dab in the middle of the desert

Conrado

@M.A.R. Well, from the anecdote about the boy and his terror knife looks like Whisper might have been trained on Trump, too...

> Notably, we found no evidence of hallucinations in competing speech recognition systems such as Google Speech-to-Text (tested in April 2023) or the latest Google Chirp model (tested in December 2023): we identified exactly 0 comparable hallucination concerns (as defined above) from Google’s products out of the 187 identified audio segments.

> We similarly identified exactly 0 comparable hallucination concerns among the same 187 audio segments from Amazon, Microsoft, AssemblyAI, and RevAI speech-to-text services (tested in January 2024). This could indicate that advancements in generative language models such as PaLM2 (underlying Google Bard) were not being used in a similar manner in competing speech-to-text systems. As such, we believe hallucinations to currently be an OpenAI-specific concern

from Careless Whisper: Speech-to-Text Hallucination Harms

Either somebody's sold their soul to Google, Amazon, etc., or their folks have gotten transcription under control better.

Perhaps, rather than either/or, it is both/and. :)

Ah. It says that pauses in speech give extra opportunity to the transcription software to hallucinate, where it could be seeded by background noise in stead of actual speech.

Mitch

18:49

@Robusto The funny thing is, one of the choices is more than competent while the other is actually evil.

One of the choices has an annoying laugh, and the other has plans for mass deportations.

One of the choices is literally a prosecutor, and the other is literally a defendant and multiply convicted rapist.

One of the choices hasn't done enough to stop war crimes, the other has explicit plans to commit lots of different ones.

alphabet

@Robusto A fine argument to make to appeal to progressives. But I don't see how one can reasonably demand that people whose friends and family were killed or endangered by this conflict vote for someone who helped provide the bombs.

A lot of people would find themselves unable to support a candidate in such a situation, even if the alternative is much, much worse.

Mitch

@alphabet exactly. One of those candi... hold on... which bombs?

@alphabet but yeah.

alphabet

The issue is that most of those progressives considering not voting for Harris in protest live in states that will go to the Democrats anyway. Many of the people most affected live in Michigan. That said, she's likely been trapped; if she'd taken a harder line towards Israel, she'd have lost other sets of voters.

Mitch

@Conrado There's nothing special about Whisper (nothing especially different between it and ChatGPT/Gemini/Claude/etc). So you it can choose words far outside of what humans would consider likely ... we don't know what their training corpus is (probably not medical transcripts) or RLHF procedure is (to fix up weird problems like this).

@alphabet Whereas voters for the other side aren't swayed by things like political issues, and instead follow along like the manufactured plot to a wrestling match.

It is a concern of mine, but secondary, that Harris still needs to be held to standards and do the right thing and all that. The greater concern is that if TFG wins, tanks will start rolling in around the world.

Pretty much the same reasoning as 'one has an annoying laugh, and the other wants to deport you'.

alphabet

19:06

@Mitch The main issue for Harris, as for Hillary, is that she's seen as part of a woke cultural elite that certain people just want punished. Trump managed to avoid this by (a) being racist and sexist and (b) going around eating Big Macs.

Mitch

@alphabet And he used to work at McDonald's like a real person, unlike Harris who ... uh... euphemismed her way to top management jobs.

alphabet

@Mitch I think Harris bragging about her gun ownership was an attempt to compensate.

Kamala should've made an ad where she demonstrates her skills with an AR-15. Bet she'd be up 10 points.

Speaking of Gaza, a rare piece of good news: More than 130 Israeli reservists sign letter refusing to fight in Gaza and Lebanon

Laurel

@Conrado Rolled this back at least

Mitch

19:23

@alphabet agreed

@alphabet also agreed

alphabet

20:09

The perils of using respelling to explain pronunciation:

Am I wrong to suggest that different US accents or dialects might use anything from 'veecle' to 'vee-hicle' while most of us in the UK use 'veercle'? — Robbie Goodwin Apr 17 at 20:21

Veercle.

Who wants to beer millionaire?

Mitch

@alphabet Perfect name for it. Says what you should do if it's coming at you.

Robusto

21:12

@Mitch By "sort of okay" I mean not perfect but definitely not bad.

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MetaEd

22:12

Happy birthday to me. To celebrate, I'm releasing a simple Literate Programming tutorial based on the classic C "hello, world" program. metaed.com/papers/hello This is in the nature of a draft. Suggestions welcomed.

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Criggie

Does MetaEd have MetaBirthdays ?

jlliagre

22:44

#WhenTaken #245 (29.10.2024)

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Mitch

23:19

@MetaEd if you throw a party for yourself I would come to that. I also want to see what present you got for yourself.

Act surprised.

Conrado

23:30

@MetaEd Many happy returns of the day!

Robusto

@jlliagre Spoiler

jlliagre

23:47

@Robusto Spoiler

I was pretty bad on the years.

CowperKettle

Spanish of the morn: autoelogio - self-praise

autoelogio

Noun: autoelogio m (plural autoelogios)

self-praise

jlliagre

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