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jlliagre

20:00

Not sure I kept the older icon.

Cerberus

OK.

jlliagre

Booting old laptops

M.A.R.

@Conrado what stimulating conversation!

I know nothing of booze except alcohol poisoning, so I don't think I know the famous sentence.

jlliagre

20:15

@Cerberus That's the previous one.

Cerberus

The quick fox jumps over the lazy dog?

I had not seen it before.

The dog doesn't seem lazy, though.

And it looks misshapen.

jlliagre

@Cerberus Bingo.

Cerberus

And the head could be a German shepherd or a wolf.

jlliagre

@Cerberus Don't expect AI generated images to be that great.

Cerberus

GPT.

jlliagre

20:19

At least a lazy dog.

@Cerberus So you guessed the common characteristic and the new sentence?

Cerberus

Yeah.

M.A.R.

@Cerberus it's great that GPT is body positive and includes foxes of all sorts of congenital abnormalities.

Cerberus

@jlliagre No idea.

@M.A.R. Indeed!

@jlliagre I don't see anything in common except that box rhymes with fox.

jlliagre

You don't know why The quick brown for jumps over a lazy dog is special?

M.A.R.

I know

What's my reward?

jlliagre

20:24

@M.A.R. Satisfaction.

Cerberus

@jlliagre I do.

But I see nothing in a pile of liquor.

You made some sentence using all letters with boxen of liquor?

I wouldn't know any comparable sentence.

M.A.R.

The quick brown box jumps over the hazy fog?

Or something

jlliagre

The second sentence share something (that has a name) with the first one.

They belong to a set, there are others too but the one with a fox is the well know one.

Cerberus

OK I wouldn't know of the others.

jlliagre

You can't guess the second sentence if you don't know it but you can guess what makes the fox sentence special.

M.A.R.

20:30

Oh

> Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs.

jlliagre

Bingo.

M.A.R.

I am feeling sleepy all of a sudden

Is this satisfaction? Or midnight?

Cerberus

Isn't it past midnight?

M.A.R.

Three minutes here

Cerberus

@jlliagre I have guessed that, haven't I?

@M.A.R. Hmm I thought you were more time away from me.

It is 23.34 here.

M.A.R.

20:34

Raisi in his eternal wisdom decided one year, out of the blue, without any prior announcements, that Iran's time would no longer have DST.

Cerberus

But tonight we will switch to winter time.

jlliagre

@Cerberus Are you sure?

Cerberus

@M.A.R. I would probably favour that.

@jlliagre .35 now.

jlliagre

@Cerberus 23?

M.A.R.

@Cerberus the grating part is the lack of any announcements. It took Android two and Microsoft four months to update Iran's time accordingly.

jlliagre

20:36

@Cerberus Are you already out of DST?

Cerberus

@jlliagre Si.

@M.A.R. OK that is crazy.

M.A.R.

Every clock on every digital device in the county was set one hour later except the ones people manually reverted.

jlliagre

@Cerberus It should be tonight at 2:00

Cerberus

@jlliagre Winter time begins at 3 AM tonight for us.

M.A.R.

And this manual reversion actually broke many websites' certificates.

Cerberus

20:37

Right, the same.

Oh, now it is 22.37...OK I must have mislooked!

jlliagre

@Cerberus Ah!

Cerberus

That is such an odd mistake to make.

jlliagre

When you have a train to take.

Cerberus

Luckily, no.

jlliagre

Half an hour shifted timezones are weird.

I thing they are chosen just to annoy neighboring countries.

M.A.R.

20:40

@jlliagre to be fair it probably suits Iran geographically

Or at least Tehran

jlliagre

M.A.R.

@jlliagre see? We're right in the middle of those two timezones

3 mins ago, by M.A.R.

Or at least Tehran

What's weird is those countries with more than one timezone.

jlliagre

France is almost entierely outside its "natural" timezone and a majority of people voted for it to be even more shifted to the west (2 h difference).

M.A.R.

Why do you need so much land?

@jlliagre what, so the sun rises at 9 a.m. in winter?

jlliagre

Many people don't care, we want more sun on evenings.

Except farmers.

M.A.R.

20:47

As if those sunny mornings in bedrooms in movies needed to be any more fake

jlliagre

Each time Germany invaded France, occupied/annexed territories were imposed the German time. After 1944, France kept the "German hour".

Cerberus

I feel that time zones should be abolished.

They are a bad idea.

It is much more convenient to say "shops open at 8 AM GMT in Amsterdam" rather than "the time in Amsterdam is one hour past GMT".

jlliagre

@Cerberus Zulu time. Military uses that.

Cerberus

Good.

The French army?

jlliagre

@Cerberus All of them, worldwide, plus aviation.

At least NATO.

But I don't think it would be a good idea to generalize GMT. The farther from meridian zero, the odder midnight and noon would be.

Cerberus

21:01

Ah, I see.

@jlliagre Not sure I understand.

Midnight is not really a usable concept anyway?

The only thing is that, in some places, one would switch from one day to the next in the middle of the day...

jlliagre

@Cerberus So midnight could be 14h00?

Not to mention 2 PM.

Robusto

@CowperKettle I have no idea what that means.

Cerberus

@jlliagre Well, what is "midnight"?

CowperKettle

@Robusto "left of boom" is military jargon for "before the bomb goes off"

Now also an IT jargonism

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Robusto

Ah, OK.

jlliagre

21:11

@Cerberus 00:00

Cerberus

@jlliagre 0h00 would not be 14h00.

That is not possible.

But 14.00 might be after sundown in some places.

jlliagre

21:31

@Cerberus I'm afraid your proposal is doomed. Military and air traffic control do use it because that makes sense in their context but for everyday people, that won't fly.

Cerberus

@jlliagre I think the 'weird' hours, people might have got used to; but having the days switch in the afternoon would be the biggest problem.

Robusto

@jlliagre Are you talking about Zulu time?

jlliagre

41 mins ago, by jlliagre

@Cerberus Zulu time. Military uses that.

Robusto

@jlliagre Yup. US military forces use Zulu time as well.

jlliagre

@Robusto All NATO.

Robusto

21:38

It's the best way to have everyone be on the same page, as it were.

jlliagre

But 'let's meet for dinner at 9AM', who is going to adopt that?

Cerberus

It would take some getting used to.

So it should have been done during early colonial times.

When the Chinese didn't even know our numbers so they wouldn't have cared.

jlliagre

You would have to localize every book, song, etc. that mention an hour.

Cerberus

Nah.

jlliagre

Jacques Dutronc - Il est cinq heures, Paris s'éveille (Lyrics Video)

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Cerberus

21:45

See, that needs to be changed anyway. I mean, 5 is in the middle of the night.

Hardly when anyone wakes up.

Except in the Middle Ages before proper lighting, and the only for some people.

jlliagre

Paris wakes up at 5!

Cerberus

Does not!

jlliagre

22:10

Cerberus

Are you saying 11.30 would be a perfect time for the day switch?

As you can see, most people will be on their way to work at 9.

So they might get up at 8 or 7.30.

Hardly 5.

tchrist

@Cerberus Coyote

Cerberus

If you say so.

think_meaning_builds

Wile E. Coyote.

Beep beep.

jlliagre

22:30

@Cerberus The song isn't about the average hour when Parisians wake up. It talks about the hour when the city itself "wakes up". As you see, the traffic jam count is essentially flat from 3:30 to 5:00 then starts to rise. Dutronc talks about the activities that belongs to the coming day: cleaners, milk delivery men, etc. The ones who start their day early. Paris metro closes around 2:15 and opens at 5:30.

Mitch

> Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.

Cerberus

@jlliagre I would say the city never sleeps.

Eurythmics - This City Never Sleeps

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Mitch

All the movies say 6am in Sunday

jlliagre

Quand la ville dort (film)

Quand la ville dort (The Asphalt Jungle) est un film noir américain de John Huston, sorti en 1950. C'est l'adaptation d'un roman homonyme de William R. Burnett publié en 1949. En 2008, le film est entré dans le National Film Registry pour conservation à la Bibliothèque du Congrès à Washington. == Synopsis == « Doc » Riedenschneider, un cerveau du crime récemment sorti de prison, projette le cambriolage de bijouterie, qui devrait rapporter un demi-million de dollars. Il recrute un perceur de coffre-fort (Louis), un chauffeur (Gus), et un homme de main (Dix Handley) et entre en contact avec...

tchrist

23:50

@jlliagre Nepal is UTC +5:45. Wonder whom they're trying to annoy? :)

think_meaning_builds

Obviously all of their neighbouring countries.

tchrist

@think_meaning_builds Bharat and Tibet, everyone's favorite comedy duo.

jlliagre

@tchrist Not to mention today is Dashami 11 kartik of year 2081 in Kathmandu :-)

tchrist

Bare-it and To-bed.

@jlliagre Time moves strangely in Kathmandu.

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