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There was a family of them off the south Bosque Trail, so I had to stop and get a pic.
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@Robusto Jealous.
@tchrist That field is a great place to see them. There are usually flocks of them there in the winter.
"Bosque" must mean something like "thicket"
> (Southwestern US) A gallery forest found growing along a river bank or on the flood plain of a watercourse.
Yes. It follows a river or stream.
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A gallery forest is one formed as a corridor along rivers or wetlands, projecting into landscapes that are otherwise only sparsely treed such as savannas, grasslands, or deserts. The gallery forest maintains a more temperate microclimate above the river. Defined as long and narrow forest vegetation associated with rivers, gallery forests are structurally and floristically heterogeneous. The habitats of these forests differ from the surrounding landscapes because they are, for example, more nutrient-rich or moister and/or there is less chance of fires. The forests are sometimes only a few meters...
@Robusto ES grulla canadiense == FR grue du Canada, all because of the specific epithet in Antigone canadensis. But Antigone I'll leave to your own devices, provided Oedipus doesn't mind.
I first came across the word bosky in Aurora Leigh
@CowperKettle Bosque is just the regular word. :)
> The city swims in verdure, beautiful
As Venice on the waters, the sea-swan.
What bosky gardens, dropped in close-walled courts,
As plums in ladies’ laps, who start and laugh
Noun: bosque (plural bosques)
  1. Rare spelling of bosk. [19th c.]
  2. bosque (plural bosques)
  3. (Southwestern US) A gallery forest found growing along a river bank or on the flood plain of a watercourse.
  4. bosque m (plural bosques)
  5. forest
The Bosque del Apache National Wildlife Refuge ( BOH-skay del ə-PATCH-ee, Spanish: [ˈboske ðel aˈpatʃe]; "Woodland of the Apache") is a National Wildlife Refuge located in southern New Mexico. It was founded in 1939 and is administered by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. It is a favorite spot to observe sandhill cranes, which spend the fall and winter in the area. The reserve is open year-round and provides safe harbor for its varied wildlife. Visitors to the refuge also enjoy partaking in activities such as hiking, cycling, driving tours on the 12-mile scenic auto route, and participating...
THAT is where you want to go!
> On a quiet day in November you'll hear the haunting cry of sandhill cranes
echoing across the marsh and grasslands of 57,191-acre Bosque del Apache
National Wildlife Refuge. Amazing to think that in 1939, when the refuge
was established, the crane count averaged a sobering 17. That figure has
since soared to 12,000. Add to that impressive tally 70,000 snow geese,
40,000-plus ducks (at least 14 species), Canada geese, Gambel's quail,
roadrunners, and more than 300 other winged species and banner birding
> The Bosque del Apache Wilderness, found within the National Wildlife Refuge, is split into three distinct units. They are the 5,429-acre Chupadera Unit, all refuge land west of Interstate 25; the 5,139-acre Indian Well Unit, just across the interstate from the Chupadera Unit; and the Little San Pascual Unit, which covers 19,859 acres just east of the Rio Grande.
No Chupacabra Unit, though.
dafux
> "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Nail them to the cross.
> The article has been removed by the journal, but here's a PDF that survives. The relevant section is just before the Conclusion
No pyre too incendiary.
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Oct. 25, 2024

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Note: ChatGPT wasn't used to answer these questions.
I was too fast on the I. The instant I clicked, I understood I was wrong.
@jlliagre That one was less, ahem, universal than they have been lately.
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@Robusto I should have done better. I didn't réfléchi enough.
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@CowperKettle Is it only in the abstract or also in the article proper?
@Cerberus It's only inside the article - the picture is a collage
@CowperKettle Ohh OK.
So bad.
> During mating, female fruit flies receive a molecule called sex peptide from the male. Previous research has shown that sex peptide causes inflammation and reduces the health and lifespan of female flies.
@CowperKettle Makes no sense.
Males: wrecking women's lives for billions of years
> "In the fly, mifepristone decreases reproduction, alters innate immune response and increases life span," Tower explained. "In the human, we know that mifepristone decreases reproduction and alters innate immune response, so might it also increase life span?" medicalxpress.com/news/…
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And here I thought fruit flies were relatively recent.
After all, there were no fruit flies in the Jurassic (Park). :)
Need angiosperms for fruit, unless one relaxes the definition.
Might they have eaten other things?
Aye, but then they would hardly have been "fruit" flies, even if there were still Drosophila. :)
> But I’m beginning to think students who don’t read are responding rationally to the vision of professional life our society sells them. In that vision, productivity does not depend on labor, and a paycheck has little to do with talent or effort.
I want to take mifepristone if I again discover that my cortisol is elevated.
Last time it was elevated, I felt like in hell.
So I would like to self-experiment with some drugs that decrease cortisol.
Good way to avoid pregancy.
> A 14-year-old boy fell in love with a flirty AI chatbot. He shot himself so they could die together telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/10/24/…
The Telegraph.
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Alphabet's getting sued. Whoda thunk?
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That is tragic in more ways than one.
I have not seen evidence that the programme is responsible yet.
Even though I can see why it is nefarious.
Like a socio-personal Matrix.
@Cerberus that's like wondering if a car is responsible for the car wreck.
@Mitch Hah.
> Was storm Mitch responsible for the collapsed roof of SO, or was it just wood rot?
Hurricane Mitch killed thousands.
Would you say my phrasing was impossible?
Nah but it's a weird metaphor.
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Why?
@CowperKettle Divine punishment for heterosexuality.
I think we often use the word responsible loosely?
It's obvious that a meteorological event has no agency so it's cute to give them names as though they have personalities. But when people kill themselves because of relationships with machines, the metaphor has gone too far. So I try to combat that by repeating what is not obvious to a lot of people
@tchrist yeah I get it.
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@Mitch Surely we would say that the Ford Pinto, say, was responsible for a disproportionate number of burnings-to-death.
I mean, sure, the AI wasn't a sentient agent; it wasn't the next Michele Carter. But certainly the product can be considered responsible for injuries it causes.
That said: we don't know what the cause and effect relationship was here. One possibility is that his depression caused him to turn to the chatbot, rather than the chatbot causing his depression.
One might also wonder why the stepfather was apparently leaving a handgun around unsecured with a kid dealing with serious mental health issues.
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Oct. 25, 2024

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> Some [platforms] allow, or even encourage, unfiltered sexual chats, prompting users to chat with the “AI girl of your dreams”
Wonder how many members of Congress will get exposed when the first of those sites gets hacked.
@Mitch OK I do think it is obvious that a computer programme has no real responsibility, that it is just a casual/dead metaphor?
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It's only going to get worse as chatGPT gets better.
Perhaps chat bots will self-destruct if they fall in love with each other.
A cyber Romeo and Juliet in the making.
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Haha that might help.
I hope they won't take our infrastructure with them.
 
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@jlliagre Both of those make perfect sense!
We use page too in Dutch for the boy servant.
And in Latin, a book is liber (m.), a weight/scales would be libra, which you probably also know.
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At the ParkRun today
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While at the BRICS summit in Kazan, Russia, India's PM Modi discovered his long-lost twin brother separated shortly after birth
A Russian humorous pseudo-news site, a kind of Russian Onion.com
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> "The selective MAO inhibitors currently used for depression could relieve inflammatory processes in chronic diseases." sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213231724003719
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On a July 9, 1946, suborbital V-2 rocket flight, fruit flies became the first living and sentient organisms to go to space, and on February 20, 1947, fruit flies safely returned from a suborbital space flight, which paved the way for human exploration. Years before sending mammals into space, such as the 1949 flight of the rhesus monkey Albert II, the Soviet space dogs, or humans, scientists studied Drosophila melanogaster (the common fruit fly) and its reactions to both radiation and space flight to understand the possible effects of space and a zero-gravity environment on humans. Starting in...
> The term "Drosophila", meaning "dew-loving", is a modern scientific Latin adaptation from Greek words δρόσος, drósos, "dew", and φιλία, philía, "lover". The term "melanogaster" meaning "black-belly", comes from Ancient Greek μέλας, mélas, “black”, and γᾰστήρ, gastḗr, "belly".
Nice.
"The Garden of Forking Paths" (original Spanish title: "El jardín de senderos que se bifurcan") is a 1941 short story by Argentine writer and poet Jorge Luis Borges. It is the title story in the collection El jardín de senderos que se bifurcan (1941), which was republished in its entirety in Ficciones (Fictions) in 1944. It was the first of Borges's works to be translated into English by Anthony Boucher when it appeared in Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine in August 1948. In 1958 it was translated back into English by Donald A. Yates and published in Michigan Alumnus Quarterly Review, Spring 1958...
> The concept of attractors, which are the minimal set of states in a state space to which all nearby states eventually flow, currently represents an appealing theoretical mechanism for memory storage within brains. cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674%2824%2901141-3
Word of the day: activity bump
> .. , the stable activity bump within the attractor network requires an external input to associate the internal neuronal activity with the animal’s actual movement in the enviroment9,10,14,15,17 (Figure 7D).
@Cerberus In Russian, pazh (паж)
A page in a 1947 version of Cinderella
Игорь Афанасьевич Клименков (13 марта 1934, Ленинград — 12 марта 2006, Симферополь) — советский актёр, наиболее известный как исполнитель роли мальчика-пажа в фильме «Золушка» 1947 года, и музыкальный педагог. == Биография == Родился 13 марта 1934 года в Ленинграде в семье дирижёра и театральной актрисы. Был отобран на роль пажа в фильме "Золушка" после просмотра 25 тысяч мальчиков. В 1949 году исполнил одну из главных ролей в фильме режиссёра Николая Лебедева «Счастливого плавания!». В 1952 году должен был сниматься в фильме всё того же Николая Лебедева «Навстречу жизни», но влюбился в актрису...
This boy's bio
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> A 17-year-old girl died by suicide by jumping from a residential building in New Delhi's Jamia Nagar area after she reportedly failed to clear the Joint Entrance Examination (JEE), police said on Saturday.

The girl had been preparing for the engineering entrance exam after completing Class 12. She jumped from the seventh floor of a building on Friday.

A suicide note was found, in which she wrote, "Forgive me, I couldn't do it. I did not clear the JEE exam."
@CowperKettle link?
 
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@CowperKettle I thought it's sarcasm about Putin and Modi.
 
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I'm flailing.
Did you watch that history making moment in world series history last night?
@think_meaning_builds No. Too tired after a 76-mile ride yesterday.
:O why so far...
Special occasion.
But anytime someone beats the Yankees it's a good day, right?
Check out the highlights of the one and only world series walk-off GRANDSLAM!!!
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I just did. Pretty cool.
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The only situation more intense would be for it to happen in game 7.
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Oct. 26, 2024

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@think_meaning_builds Yes, and I hope it works out the same way.
I want them to get swept.
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They're the original beasts from the east.
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I spent 27 years in Boston, so I got swept up in that rivalry.
Anyone who cheers for the underdog hates them.
My favorite World Series ever was 2001, when the Diamondbacks took the Yanks in seven games.
Randy Johnson was spectacular.
Fernando Venezuela was remembered at the opening RIP
Fernando Valenzuela Anguamea (Latin American Spanish pronunciation: [feɾˈnando βalenˈswela]; November 1, 1960 – October 22, 2024), nicknamed "El Toro", was a Mexican professional baseball pitcher. Valenzuela played 17 Major League Baseball (MLB) seasons, from 1980 to 1997 (except for a one-year sabbatical in Mexico in 1992). He played for six MLB teams, most prominently with the Los Angeles Dodgers, who signed him in 1979 and gave him his MLB debut in 1980. Valenzuela batted and threw left-handed, with an unorthodox windup. He was one of a small number of pitchers who regularly threw a screwball...
 
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> AI-powered transcription tool hallucinates things nobody ever said techxplore.com/news/…
> The problems persist even in well-recorded, short audio samples. A recent study by computer scientists uncovered 187 hallucinations in over 13,000 clear audio snippets they examined.
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> Birth year of winning candidate of the last eight presidential elections in the US:

1946
1946
1946
1946
1961
1961
1946
1942
Is that really true?
@CowperKettle Boomers. Literally.
Bill Clinton
Bill Clinton
G. W. Bush
G. W. Bush
Barack Obama
Barack Obama
Trump
Joe Biden
@alphabet You got a problem with that?
Also: Joe Biden? Not a boomer.
@Robusto No.
Just an observation.
Kamala would almost be part of Gen X, depending on where exactly you draw that boundary.
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So is Harris doing well or is it gonna be more nail-biting on whether fascists are gonna be en vogue again around the world?
Because heaven knows American politics don't stay in America
@M.A.R. Yes.
@M.A.R. It is a nail-biter. The specter of doom lingers and will not be dissipated until Trump is expunged. If he is not, there is a dark future for this country.
Trump seems to have a narrow lead on betting-sites.
If he wins, I hope he won't replace all officials by yes-men.
@M.A.R. Living in a country that's 50% fascist is hardly comforting, no matter who is called the winner here.
@Cerberus Of course he will. That's been the plan all along. Detailed plans.
@Cerberus no, just the ones whose faces he will see
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@CowperKettle Does it rhyme with Эрмитаж?
@Cerberus That is a vain hope.
@tchrist I have heard about replacing lower officials and this plan by some organisation.
50.55% vs 49.45%
But there is a difference between replacing everyone with conservatives and doing so with yes-men.
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@M.A.R.
E.g. Pence.
There are no more conservatives left in his wing.
And his are the only wings with lift under them.
Only fascist enablers.
We'll have to see.
Civil unrest is guaranteed to swell.
No matter the winner, the country loses.
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Well that's depressing
Think positive thoughts
Like chocolate ice cream
Like Shia and Sunni making sweet love together.
With chocolate ice cream
Get thee behind me, Satan!
Well ok, but you'll have to bend over first.
Continually looking at poll numbers that are statistically albeit not numerically identical is a waste of time.
None can say.
Yeah, better stop looking.
18:08
I stopped looking two weeks ago.
@Robusto Yes. It's been done.
@Conrado Not exactly the same. But at least I thought of this one by mysefl.
@Conrado I don't get it.
@Cerb It's a pun.
Of course it is.
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Just wait, I'm finding pictures to explain...
Unless you're just trolling me?
(And if you are, no matter, I'm sending em anyway)
That's called a "horse and buggy"
Ohh it is the carriage-kind-of buggy.
Isn't that a bit far fetched?
Or are Amish specifically known to ride in buggies?
Yes.
@Cerberus Oh yes, they are! Most of their churches have a rule that their members should not drive cars.
They drive (or is it ride?) horse and buggy.
Any stage coach has a driver and passengers. A buggy is little different.
Specifically a buggy, not some other kind of carriage or wagon or chariot?
Yes.
@Cerberus It's pondian.
A buggy refers to a lightweight four-wheeled carriage drawn by a single horse, though occasionally by two. Amish buggies are still regularly in use on the roadways of America. The word "buggy" has become a generic term for "carriage" in America. Historically, in England a buggy was a two-wheeled vehicle. == American buggy == A buggy is a four-wheeled American carriage made on a rectangular pattern, the body resembling a shallow box. There is a vertical leather dash with a metal rein rail on top. A single seat for two people is mounted in the middle of the box leaving room behind the seat...
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Amish country in PA is only a few hours from NYC. Worth visiting.
@tchrist Not sure I follow.
@Cerberus Different terms in England.
Ahh I see.
I posted "not sure I follow" before your link appeared.
Intercourse, PA and Blue Ball, PA are both in Amish country. There's a third one, too but forgot it.
Why do you add "PA"?
I think that will be Pennsylvania?
Do they have territories in a different state as well?
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Yes. Pennsylvania. It's an official abbreviation.
But that doesn't answer the question.
The Amish country [called that] is in the state of Pennyslvania. But there are Amish communities elsewhere. The third town with a funny name is Bird-in-Hand.
Driving, you run into their buggies all the time in southwestern Wisconsin, in the Driftless Region around Cashton. Unfortunately.
At least they are nicer than motor cars.
In PA, it's Lancaster Country, the original community.
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@tchrist That's still better than running into a light pole, though...
@Cerberus No, I meant that the collisions are tragic.
Ah
Sorry.
@tchrist That is not good.
Yes, they are tragic. But last time I was in PA, in 2022, I noticed that more buggies had reflectors and lights than I had ever seen before.
Google "Amish killed in buggy accident"; happens tragically often.
Many of the collisions are because the buggies are dark-colored, and at evening they can be hard to see from insdie a car.
Sunday mornings they're all out on the country roads, to or from church functions.
Interesting fact: The Amish call the non-Amish, English. Ha ha
@Cerberus Because in the USA they call their towns by town name and state, with a comma in between. Like this: "Orrstown, PA" means Orrstown in Pennsylvania.
Everybody knows that.
@Conrado Welcome to Springfield!
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@Conrado "They call": first of all, why?
What's really cool is Amish furniture, the hand-crafted kind. VERY beautiful. Plain and simple.
@Conrado Secondly, I don't think that is quite entirely fully true.
What isn't?
@Cerberus I mean, that's how they specify what town they are talking about. Lambie just now mentioned "Intercourse" and "Blue Ball", both of which are towns in the state of Pennsylvania.
My question was about why you add it when it seems unnecessary.
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In the states, we say: town or city, followed by two letters for the state. Because some towns have the same name in more than one state. Like: New York, FL [Florida] OR Florida, NY [New York].
But is it necessary in this case?
Well, it was to be specific.
There are many towns called New York, but I doubt there is any other called Intercourse or Blue Ball.
@Robusto Yes, Biden is not a boomer. He's left of boom.
Also, because they are weird sounding, so just to be clear, I used PA.
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Do they have territories in a different state as well?
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@Cerberus I think people pretty much always write out obscure/distant place names that way, except for the big cites that everybody already knows where they are.
We don't say territories. We say communities. Yes, they do.
@Cerberus Maybe not now that maps are mostly electronic... but it's custom. What can we do about it? So in the atlas index it usually shows them that way.
It just seems odd to me, that's all.
@Conrado This reminded me to change a battery in a light on my bicycle
The Amish have different groups (you can go read about them) and they reside in various states. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish
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@Cerberus Keep in mind:
Giving someone the name of a town/city doesn't tell you much about where they are; it's more like listing the country after the name of a place in Europe.
I don't see a need to give the name of a country when it is either clear from context or unimportant.
@Cerberus It isn't odd if you and I are talking and we know which state we are talking about and the town/city name. But one does not always know. We do it in speech IF there is the possibility of a misunderstanding. As in New York, FL as opposed to New York, NY.
Name of a country is slightly different.
Surely you would say "New York in Florida" when relevant, but simply "New York" when it is the well known city (unless the context were Florida)?
In writing, we use FL, in speaking we'd say, New York, Florida.
We say "Laren (Noord-Holland)" when necessary, but we always say just "Laren" when we already know which region we are talking about.
Similarly, we say "America" not "America, North America" when we are not talking about the village of America in our province of Drenthe.
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Let's not confuse talking about cities/towns in NA and Europe. It's NOT the same thing.
Hmm I don't really feel any the wiser.
@Cerberus The fabled lost city of America
America (Limburgish: Amerika, Dutch pronunciation: [ɑˈmeːrikaː]) is a parish village in the Dutch province of Limburg, known historically for its peat extraction. == Geography == America is part of the municipality of Horst aan de Maas in Limburg, and lies approximately 15 km (9.3 mi) northwest of Venlo, 23 km (14 mi) east of Helmond, and 16 km (9.9 mi) west of the German border. The town is located within the agricultural Peel region of the Netherlands where peat extraction has been practiced since the Middle Ages. The town is situated approximately 30 m (98 ft) above sea level on the ...
Not quite a city...
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> "Has the lost city of America been found?"
Holland is a town in Hampden County, Massachusetts, United States. The population was 2,603 at the 2020 census. It is part of the Springfield, Massachusetts Metropolitan Statistical Area. The area around the town center comprises the census-designated place of Holland. == History == In 1730, the area that would become the town of Holland was settled by Joseph Blodgett, whose descendants still live in the town today. The town was named after Lord Holland, an English statesman who lobbied for independence for the American colonies. The town was incorporated on July 5, 1783. It separated from the...
Voilà.
@Cerberus that's exactly how it's done in the US, you add the state when it's relevant/can't be figured from context.
@Mitch Exactly.
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@Cerberus What probably seems odd to you is what people think of as context.
If you're talking about some random city in the US, you'll most likely add the state.
If you're talking about some city in the state you and your listener are in, you most likely won't add the state.
So the above mention of I can't remember the city, used the state because this is the Internet, it's the first case.
But, first of all, the context was clear enough; secondly, the state didn't seem relevant.
"Intercourse and Blue Ball are both in Amish country" would be a bit harder to make sense of.
It seemed clear enough to me.
It is just an example, I have seen more Americans do this.
> The cassowary has been known to kill human beings with slashing blows of its feet, as the innermost of its three toes bears a long daggerlike nail.
Smart bird.
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Hi again, I just got called AFK for a bit.
And now I'm going away again.
So long, I've enjoyed chatting!
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Oct. 26, 2024

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Oh you have a new icon too!
Is that a brand of whiskey or some other spirit?
Your colour looks quite a bit like Mitch now.
The texture might be different enough, let's see what happens.
@Cerberus It might be. My previous icon wasn't understood so I replaced it by another one that won't be understood either ;-)
Hah!
"It might be": you don't know?
@Cerberus Both were AI generated. I don't precisely know. Liquor they should be.
Ohh.
Naughty!
I give a sentence to various free text to graphic generators and pick the one I prefer.
Both were relatively well know sentences. They share something in common.
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Hmm.
That's your today's game :-) Find the sentences!
I like a pile of booze?
With some bottles having slanted necks?
@Cerberus Is that a well know sentence?
@Cerberus AI at its best.
@jlliagre Perhaps to you.
All too well.
To be more precise, my previous icon was made from a well known sentence and my new one is made from a different sentence that share a common characteristic with the older.
I learned and used the first sentence at work, in the early eighties.
19:57
OK.
Would we know it?
I guess most people in the chat know it.
Do I know it?
And can we see your previous icon?
@Cerberus Ah I suspect so. Robusto & tchrist definitely know it.
OK then I probably won't.
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