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tchrist

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A: (How) can I use a color as an adverb?

No, there is no such adverb Adverbs can have lots of different meanings depending on what they’re derived from, what constructions they’re used in, and many other factors. The names of colours do not readily lend themselves to adverbs in English at all. Words like redly and bluely are attested, b...

That merits higher marks. I bet people don't realize where he's coming from about "instrumental object".

CowperKettle

Punctuation in Ethiopian:
፠ section mark
፡ word separator
። full stop (period)
፣ comma
፤ semicolon
፥ colon
፦ preface colon (introduces speech from a descriptive prefix)
፧ question mark
፨ paragraph separator

tchrist

Sanskrit, Old English, Russian, and Finnish all have instrumental cases. PIE's mutated into Latin's ablative.

Cerberus

Hmm there is a lot of similarity to our marks.

tchrist

U+1360 ‭ ፠  ETHIOPIC SECTION MARK
U+1361 ‭ ፡  ETHIOPIC WORDSPACE
U+1362 ‭ ።  ETHIOPIC FULL STOP
U+1363 ‭ ፣  ETHIOPIC COMMA
U+1364 ‭ ፤  ETHIOPIC SEMICOLON
U+1365 ‭ ፥  ETHIOPIC COLON
U+1366 ‭ ፦  ETHIOPIC PREFACE COLON
U+1367 ‭ ፧  ETHIOPIC QUESTION MARK
U+1368 ‭ ፨  ETHIOPIC PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR

Those are all the punctuation in the Unicode Ethiopic script. Yes, even the woldspace is Punctuation not Space.

U+037E ‭ ;  GREEK QUESTION MARK
U+0387 ‭ ·  GREEK ANO TELEIA

Dannyu NDos

Isn't Greek question mark deprecated? IIRC, using plain ASCII semicolon instead is encouraged.

tchrist

00:10

> The functions of the Proto-Indo-European instrumental case were taken over by the dative, so that the Greek dative has functions belonging to the Proto-Indo-European dative, instrumental, and locative. This is the case with the bare dative, and the dative with the preposition σύν sýn "with".

 ;  037E        GREEK QUESTION MARK
        = erotimatiko
        * sentence-final punctuation
        * 003B is the preferred character
        x (question mark - 003F)
        : 003B semicolon

Yes.

You can't stop people from not using the preferred characters.

 "  0022        QUOTATION MARK
        = double quote
        * neutral (vertical), used as opening or closing quotation mark
        * preferred characters in English for paired quotation marks are 201C & 201D
        * 05F4 is preferred for gershayim when writing Hebrew
 #  0023        NUMBER SIGN
        = pound sign (weight)
        = hashtag, hash
        = crosshatch, octothorpe
        * for denoting musical sharp 266F is preferred
 '  0027        APOSTROPHE
        = apostrophe-quote (1.0)

 ·  0387        GREEK ANO TELEIA
        * functions in Greek like a semicolon
        * 00B7 is the preferred character
        : 00B7 middle dot

 ’  2019        RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
        = single comma quotation mark
        * this is the preferred character to use for apostrophe
 “  201C        LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK
        = double turned comma quotation mark
        * this is the preferred character (as opposed to 201F)
 ₤  20A4        LIRA SIGN
        * intended for lira, but not widely used
        * preferred character for lira is 00A3
        x (pound sign - 00A3)
        x (turkish lira sign - 20BA)
 Ω  2126        OHM SIGN

 ㈞ 321E        PARENTHESIZED KOREAN CHARACTER O HU
        * preferred spelling for the name is ohu
        # 0028 110B 1169 1112 116E 0029

Dannyu NDos

Yeah; Romanization of Korean texts shall conserve spaces.

tchrist

 ꝥ  A765        LATIN SMALL LETTER THORN WITH STROKE
        * Old English, Old Norse
        * representative glyph is preferred in Old English text
        * Old Norse fonts show a more horizontal stroke

 〞 301E        DOUBLE PRIME QUOTATION MARK
        * this is a mistaken analogue to 201D; 301F is preferred
        x (right double quotation mark - 201D)
        x (double prime - 2033)

jlliagre

01:12

@tchrist Erotimatiko sounds like a math sex game or something ;-)

tchrist

@jlliagre That’s the Greeks for you.

Cerberus

Erôtaô means ask.

jlliagre

Yes, no Eros here.

Cerberus

No, indeed.

Perhaps the two are related?

After all, desire means lack.

Perhaps ask means long for means desire?

jlliagre

> Etymology
The Greek ἔρως, éros meaning 'desire' (whence eroticism) comes from the verb ἔραμαι, éramai and in infinitive form ἐρᾶσθαι, erãsthai 'to desire, love', itself of uncertain etymology. R. S. P. Beekes speculates a Pre-Greek origin.

> ἐρωτάω
From Proto-Hellenic *erwomai, from Proto-Indo-European *h₁rou-neh₂-, which is probably related to Icelandic raun (“trial, test”).

Cerberus

01:23

Oh, well found, where did you find it?

jlliagre

@Cerberus Wiktionary & Wikipedia

Cerberus

I see.

CowperKettle

01:50

Clay lies still but blood's a rover

Cerberus

Heh does it read like a dialogue to you?

CowperKettle