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Word of the day: unsafe. (UK, legal) "An unsafe conviction (= legal decision that someone is guilty) may be wrong because it is based on bad evidence."
01:26
We need more humans like this, i.e. giving us free food.
01:55
What do you call a statement that people say regardless of whether it's true or not, and which people don't take literally, simply because it's the socially expected thing to say? The most obvious example is "it's nice to meet you"
—we say it regardless of whether or not it actually is nice to meet the other person, and when we hear "it's nice to meet you," we usually just take it as a pleasantry, not as... oh, wait, there's the word for it.
Another related term is "polite fiction."
@SophieSwett That's called phatic communication.
In linguistics, a phatic expression (English: , FAT-ik) is a communication which primarily serves to establish or maintain social relationships. In other words, phatic expressions have mostly socio-pragmatic rather than semantic functions. They can be observed in everyday conversational exchanges, as in, for instance, exchanges of social pleasantries that do not seek or offer information of intrinsic value but rather signal willingness to observe conventional local expectations for politeness. Other uses of the term include the category of "small talk" (conversation for its own sake) in speech...
 
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03:30
I've just overeaten. Help.
I don't blame the instant noodles, but rather the milk I drank together.
03:54
@DannyuNDos The problem must be the noodles. Have I not informed you of the many benefits of an all-milk diet?
@DannyuNDos I overeaten about two months ago. I used to love that food (ghee (butter), wheat flour and sugar are common ingredients). Now I feel aversion to it. I don't know why.
04:11
@DannyuNDos I usually lie down on my back on bed, and read a book while my tummy works hard to digest the food and pass it to the small intestine. You can also try digestive enzyme to help your tummy. Maybe Tums can help too.
 
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@SophieSwett "platitude" works. Depending on the context, "perfunctory gesture" could also make sense
 
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And now I've overcooked the eggs. Dang it.
 
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08:48
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at beginning of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (39): What does "losing one's ass" mean?‭ by Danielle Etienne‭ on english.SE
 
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11:20
Could the room owners @Robusto @Mitch @MetaEd @tchrist @Laurel please consider putting the new questions feed from English Language Learners.SE in this room.
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11:36
> Duecento – the 13th century in Italian culture
Trecento – the 14th century in Italian culture
Quattrocento – the 15th century in Italian culture
Cinquecento – the 16th century in Italian culture
Seicento – the 17th century in Italian culture
Settecento – the 18th century in Italian culture
Ottocento – the 19th century in Italian culture
Novecento – the 20th century in Italian culture
Okay, I give up: what’s the next entry in that series, the one used in reference to the current 21st century?
@Mari-LouA ^^^^ Any insight on my puzzle? :)
The cultural and artistic events of Italy during the period 1400 to 1499 are collectively referred to as the Quattrocento (UK: , US: , Italian: [ˌkwattroˈtʃɛnto]) from the Italian word for the number 400, in turn from millequattrocento, which is Italian for the year 1400. The Quattrocento encompasses the artistic styles of the late Middle Ages (most notably International Gothic), the early Renaissance (beginning around 1425), and the start of the High Renaissance, generally asserted to begin between 1495 and 1500. == Historical context == After the decline of the Western Roman Empire in ...
@user20458579510081670432 Shouldn't that go in their room if anywhere, not ours?
It is, but the room is dead :( @tchrist
@user20458579510081670432 It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set.

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12:08
Ooh good question! I see both "nuovo millennio" and "terzo millennio" online
https://www.parolespalancate.it/larte-del-terzo-millennio/ I'd go for the latter
@Mari-LouA Thanks!
12:50
@tchrist I was captivated by the grandeur of the sentence and the implicit victory over suffering in those "years", so I hunted down the quote and found it here, which now makes a lot of sense. Makes me want to finish reading The Lord of the Rings.
@tchrist I'd venture to say venticento.
@user20458579510081670432 If there's interest from other people here, sure. However, only the one that shows up in the corner, since feeds posts are obnoxious
13:14
@CowperKettle Dexamethasone is much more potent than cortisol but has no mineralocorticoid activity. I don't know what bad thing cortisol is doing to you that dexamethasone would prevent honestly.
@DannyuNDos That's a polite word for burning it.
@user20458579510081670432 sigh brings back memories.
Not all of them pleasant.
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13:41
We're having regular blackouts on a daily basis again.
It's soured my mood quite a bit.
@jlliagre Wouldn't diecicento follow more logically?
Not that they're being logical to begin with.
Two illogicals don't make a logical.
@M.A.R. And the milk in the fridge.
@Mitch I asked it but it wasn't bothered by the blackouts.
I consume a lot of yogurt, so it sometimes sours
Have you made sure that the light really does go out when you close the refrigerator door?
As a responsible engineer, I have.
It takes some skill.
and the right tools.
but it's possible.
@Mitch I can't be responsible for my refrigerator's actions.
An experienced attitude.
Sometimes you gotta let it learn when it makes mistakes.
@M.A.R. Doesn't yogurt with time just become... moreso?
If you let cheese stay around long enough you get more of it.
14:17
@Mitch A long time ago I bought an inexpensive sensor that has battery and memory, and you can program it (through USB) to take light, humidity and temperature readings in the interval you specified. Then after a while you can re-connect it via USB and use their software to get the readings and tabulate / graph it. I used it for many things, including knowing my refrigerator's cooling cycle, etc.
@GratefulDisciple Nice.
So you opened the fridge door, threw in your sensor =, and then shut the door as quickly as humanly possible?
I can see how that would work.
@Mitch I don't think Diecicento would be understood. With Ottocento, Novecento, there is the implicit prefix Mille but Mille diecicento would be hard to swallow. Venticento is mathematically accurate as there are twenty "hundred(s)" in 2000. It seems some Italian businesses/brands are named Venticento. On the other hand, Duemilla/Dumila sounds to be the right answer. @tchrist
@Mitch The inventor of that sensor has great foresight. You can program it to start recording with a time delay! So no need to throw it in :-) And for timestamping purpose, you can sync the device's clock with your computer's clock.
I still have that device in my old electronics box somewhere. I found that the sensors are not reacting to the environment as fast as I want (the sensors themselves can be calibrated to a lab standard). So what I do is I remove the plastic covering and just use the PCB (about 2 inch by 3 inch). This is before the Raspberry Pi day. And it works, the temperature reading drops down within seconds.
@jlliagre If we say diecicento enough times, people will get used to it.
Like with Beethoven's Ninth symphony, people don't actually like that stuff, but play it at every new years' and you just get accustomed to the tradition.
Gotta start working. TTYL.
14:32
Pfft. Work. Overrated.
There is the money thing though.
@Mitch Exactly. Such is the duties of life.
@GratefulDisciple The sensor doesn't respond to the dramatic gesture? Huh. Electronics are overrated.
@GratefulDisciple Raspberry Pi is awesome.
@Mitch No gyroscope, I'm afraid. It's truly a wonder what smartphone can do these days. I teach my kids computer and tell them about how a PC once had less than 1 MB memory.
Also, Arduino
Raspberry Pi and Arduino.
Oh and 3D printing.
@Mitch Yeah. both are good in their own ways. Raspberry for a full-fledged OS, Arduino as a real-time OS.
14:36
Raspberry Pi, Arduino, and 3D printing.
@Mitch and ESP32.
@Mitch Yup. Haven't tried 3D printing yet though. Any tips to get started would be great.
@jlliagre ESP32? What is that?
ESP32 is a series of low-cost, low-power system on a chip microcontrollers with integrated Wi-Fi and dual-mode Bluetooth. The ESP32 series employs either a Tensilica Xtensa LX6 microprocessor in both dual-core and single-core variations, an Xtensa LX7 dual-core microprocessor, or a single-core RISC-V microprocessor and includes built-in antenna switches, RF balun, power amplifier, low-noise receive amplifier, filters, and power-management modules. ESP32 is created and developed by Espressif Systems, a Chinese company based in Shanghai, and is manufactured by TSMC using their 40 nm process. It is...
@GratefulDisciple I'm only talking about it hypothetically. I've never done anything like that myself. But it sounds like the three of those is DIY heaven.
14:38
@jlliagre New for me too. Looks interesting.
Really there are two things involved with #d printing that make it so great. 1) the obvious, actually being able to create physical objects out of plastic whitout having the skills of an experienced chiseler.
@jlliagre What OS has been ported to ESP32?
and 2) you can design objects in a CAD and -print- the plans and it's now created. Like PDF for 2D printers.
Also you can share the plans and other people can modify your design. Just like github pull requests.
Like software engineering for mechanical engineers.
@Mitch Yes, and the ability to use the 3D design of others and tweak it for your own purpose. And do trial and error as well. Perfect for creating small parts for your lego project.
Hehe... I was just writing the same thing.
All that's left is some sort of mini chem lab for chemical engineers.
@GratefulDisciple not to belittle lego, but this ain't no kid's game!
14:44
@Mitch I see. I'm still very new to this topic. I once see a 3D printer in action at my local library, where you can submit a design for it to be printed. However, at that time (this is years ago) it's very slow. Can take a whole day.
You can conceivably design and print off all the little parts necessary for a (very small) working engine (of course printing with the appropriate metal that hardens and cools quickly).
@GratefulDisciple Yeah it's not perfect.
But it's -possible-.
For prototypes mostly.
that don't last long.
@Mitch Wow, nice. I hope it becomes faster with new iterations. I remember my first consumer level ink jet printer; very slow and not that high resolution. But still, much better than consumer-level dot matrix. But when I was in uni, I was impressed at the speed of line printers there (to print source code).
OK, TTYL.
but say you have a snap-in clasp for a backpack (connected with a nylon strop) and it breaks... you can find a design for the clasp on the web somewhere and print it off.
Or, say you're on the ISS and your return-ship has a door latch that won't close. You can 3D print a plastic hammer to basj that thing into place.
14:59
@GratefulDisciple FreeRTOS. The ESP32 a microcontroller so doesn't use a full scale OS, it's more like an Arduino on steroids. There are alternatives to FreeRTOS like NuttX and Zephyr. I have no experience on them. To use an ESP32, you just write code in C or whatever, crosscompile it with an IDE and push the binary to the board thru usb.
15:42
@Mitch If you keep yogurt in cool conditions it'd take quite a while.
If I don't finish it by then it'd expire anyways.
We just had another blackout, that's why I'm responding to you now
Twencen is so Novecento I can't even.
 
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@Mitch if you 3D-print duct tape you would create the ultimate DIY home improvement tool.
If they had 3D printers they could have prevented Chernobyl's incident by printing boron carbide rods.
If they had 3D printers on Titanic they could have printed lifeboats so Dicaprio wouldn't have drowned.
17:59
@M.A.R. You've just attained the Singularity
Is it summer air conditioner overusage? or something less benign?
18:14
@Mitch Oh people have all sorts of conspiracy theories in mind.
I havem't asked from a person in the know to know which is exactly true.
But based on the lack of news coverage and a few other signs, like the timing of these now-annual summertime blackouts, I suspect IRGC is mining bitcoin or some other cryptocurrency for their discreet dealings with Hezbollah maybe, and they can't supply cities and bitcoin farms at the same time.
Also, the whole infrastructure is probably very dated and I wouldn't be surprised if something breaks every other day, exacerbating the problem.
A third theory I hear often, which is less reputable and probably more out of frustration, is people are mad that we sell electricity to our allies in the region (the foremost being Hamas and 'Gaza' nowadays).
IOW, if you poll people in a way so that they wouldn't be afraid of their responses, many, maybe even a majority, oppose helping our allies, as they (perhaps wrongfully) believe our aid costs us basic necessities.
It's of course true that our warped foreign non-policy is costing us.
 
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@M.A.R. Gotta charge the batteries for the death lasers /s
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@Mitch That's an exaggeration.
It's closer to the truth to say men are dumb and do idiotic things.
@Robusto But...
If you look at the joint distribution of intelligence, separating by sex, on most measures of intelligence, the mean is pretty much the same for men and women, but the -variance is noticeably more for men.
Which, mathematically, leads to the tails, both upper and lower, for men are 'fatter', ie, in the extremes there tend to be more men then women.
@Robusto Dumb men's exceptionalism...
so, at least with IQ tests, some men tend to stand out as smart but also many other men stand out as stupid.
21:53
@Mitch Actually, men have generally misunderstood the degree to which women are impressed by the risky behaviors of men.
That guy in the leather jacket... swoons
@jlliagre So I surmised—after choosing the wrong one.
There was another study... maybe with chimpanzees?... where they measured desirability based on three personality types: the aggressive, reactive type, the thoughtful, caring type, and a third type I can't remember and it doesn't matter because the females tended to choose the more aggressive one.
@M.A.R. Bitcoin? Don't they follow the news? It's not the most progressive countries adopting bitcoin.
But anyway as to conspiracies about electricity... sure, aging infrastructure, but also increasing usage (how much has your population changed over the last 20 years?)
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22:09
Blackouts only happen in the US when there is bad weather... hurricanes, tornadoes, snowstorms and the like.
Oh I forgot fires, earthquakes, oil spills, chemical spills, industrial accidents, civil unrest.
Probably some other things too.
But often in big cities with lots of suburban developments and big office parks, they do this thing called
rolling brownouts, where, in the summer when its hot and everybody turns on their AC around the clock, the electrical grid doesn't have the capacity so they reduce availability artificially in different parts of the city one by one to reduce the total capacity.
But I don't think that happens with google or AWS data centers I bet because they build their own power supplies.
And they put fluoride and prozac in the water coolers so all their employees are happy and you know it.
Clap your hands.
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22:54
There's not been a war in the US since electricity was invented. But terrorist attacks have and do cause power outages.
Heck there was that guy in TX who shot up a substation.
Any data center should have sufficient power generation capacity for 100% load of servers and cooling infrastructure, or its not a real DC
And be at LEAST 100% redundant too.
I'm considering adding some solar to home, but just simple, maybe a DC heater in the hot water tank only
23:25
They say the most wanted target for an artillary is the enemy artillary.
(makes note to avoid installing artillery instead of solar panels.
Dang it, I misspelt them.
Last night's dream, The entire members of BTS thrashed me; probably that was a curse.
military stuff has the oddest subtle spelling differences
ordnance vs ordinance
material vs materiel
@Criggie wait
100%?
Doesn't that mean...
It has to redundantize the redundancy?
To infinity?
@Mitch 100% means it needs at least 110% or it will fail.
23:40
I'm not in operations. I just think about shit
@Mitch That's what the proctologists say.
License plate "A$$MAN"
There's big money in big butts.
@Mitch Borrowing from Seinfeld now, are we?
I don't think that was borrowing.
I'm not giving it back
The point is, you can't give it back.
Plagiarism is not a victimless crime.
23:46
They say crimes cannot be without a culprit, but accidents can.
No - it means the backup system should always be able to provide 100% of the power demand, even when half of the backup system is out for maintenance.
That means two independent generator sets each of which can provide all the power needed while the other is under servicing/repair etc.
@Robusto You made me look: it's not that expensive but I wonder whether you can use it on the road. Product Description is quite informative too; mention the word "proctologist" too. Now I have to watch that episode.
@Criggie Isn't the term "double redundancy", or maybe "2N", see here.
Could be

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