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@GratefulDisciple exactly. It was all out of chacter and unnatural.
01:04
A photo I made yesterday, returning from work
A rider in heavy gear
01:35
@CowperKettle those scooters look so dangerous to me.
@Mitch The dangerous part is that the cosmonaut mounted on that one looks like he's about to fall over backwards due to the huge load upon his back.
Imagine trying to bank properly with all that added momentum.
02:18
I'm memorizing "November" by John Clare at work
This is my handlebar-based navigation phone, a Xiaomi POCO model that stops detecting GPS satellites even in mild cloud cover. I bought it from a schoolbody on the cheap, since its camera is broken
@CowperKettle nice. So you got the double screen to work.
I already managed to fall in a way that cracked the screen
@Mitch Yes
Local street art
02:37
The close reason makes no sense, because the correct option C and the incorrect option B both put "however" at the end of an independent clause. — alphabet 15 secs ago
Grr.
(re(move)ed)
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@CowperKettle Curious thing about that particular picture is that almost all names of the streets are Russian "standard issue" street names. Like "Main" and "Broadway" in US. It would be a challenge to figure out what town is on that map.
... and by Russian I mean Soviet.
@misk94555 Well, there's Tatischeva Street on that picture, named after one of the founders of Yekaterinburg.
У́лица Тати́щева (прежние названия: Ключевска́я 1-я, Ма́лышева, до 1962 - Орджоникидзе) — улица в жилом районе «ВИЗ» Верх-Исетского административного района Екатеринбурга, одна из старейших улиц посёлка Верх-Исетского завода. == Происхождение и история названий == До революции 1917 года улица носила название 1-я Ключевская. Всего Ключевских улиц было девять, все они заканчивались у торфяного болота, близ которого, возможно, находились ключи, используемые местными жителями. В 1921 году улица получила название Малышева в честь уральского большевика, одного из организаторов Красной гвардии на Урале...
So one could guess the city quickly :)
Vasily Nikitich Tatishchev (sometimes spelt Tatischev; Russian: Васи́лий Ники́тич Тати́щев, IPA: [vɐˈsʲilʲɪj nʲɪˈkʲitʲɪtɕ tɐˈtʲiɕːɪf]; 19 April 1686 – 15 July 1750) was a statesman, historian, philosopher, and ethnographer in the Russian Empire. He is known as the author of a book on Russian history titled The History of Russia (Russian: История Российская, romanized: Istoriya Rossiyskaya), posthumously published in 1767. Throughout this work, he advocates the idea that autocracy is the perfect form of government for Russia. He also founded three cities in the Russian Empire: Stavropol-on-Volga...
> Tatishchev was born near Pskov on 19 April 1686. The young Tatishchev was homeschooled, being taught German and Polish.[4] As an adult, he also studied some French and Latin, though he never mastered these two language very well.
 
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Vasily Grigoryevich Zaitsev (Russian: Васи́лий Григо́рьевич За́йцев, IPA: [vɐˈsʲilʲɪj ɡrʲɪˈɡorʲjɪvʲɪdʑ ˈzajtsɨf]; 23 March 1915 – 15 December 1991) was a Soviet sniper during World War II. Between 22 September 1942 and 19 October 1942, he killed 40 enemy soldiers. Between 10 October 1942 and 17 December 1942, during the Battle of Stalingrad, he killed 225 enemy soldiers. Zaitsev became a celebrated figure during the war and later a Hero of the Soviet Union, and he remains lauded for his skills as a sniper. His life and military career have been the subject of several books and films: his exploits...
05:16
@Vikas See also:
Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko (Russian: Людмила Михайловна Павличенко; Ukrainian: Людмила Михайлівна Павличенко, romanized: Lyudmyla Mykhailivna Pavlychenko, née Belova; 12 July [O.S. 29 June] 1916 – 10 October 1974) was a Soviet sniper in the Red Army during World War II. She is credited with killing 309 enemy combatants. She served in the Red Army during the siege of Odessa and the siege of Sevastopol, during the early stages of the fighting on the Eastern Front. Her score of 309 kills likely places her within the top five snipers of all time, but her kills may be significantly more numerous...
In June 1941, Pavlichenko was aged 25 in her fourth year studying history at Kiev University when Nazi Germany began its invasion of the Soviet Union.
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@CowperKettle Nice
06:32
> But I also have to have humility here because I did not expect that we would master language so quickly. So maybe somebody will come up with an unexpectedly simple trick on top of existing ways of training that will unlock reasoning, at least to the level that is sufficiently human. bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-08-22/…
 
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09:49
Cottage cheese search trends on Google trends.google.com/trends/…
@CowperKettle I also searched it this year a few times.
 
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Hi, guys. What exactly do they mean when they say "tagged callout approach"?

This book features a new tagged callout approach to documenting the 4.0 GUI as well as real-life examples of command usage and strategies for problem solving, with an emphasis on networking.
And here's another one. What exactly do they mean by "extension agent"?

It covers SNMP and network basics and detailed information on developing SNMP management applications and extension agents.
17:27
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@MichaelRybkin It's some specialized language, not generic English :)
Noun: callout (plural callouts)
  1. (communication) An outgoing telephone call.
  2. An instance of being summoned to visit a certain place in order to provide assistance; an instance of summoning someone who is on call.
  3. (US) A meeting or rally held in order to find interested participants, e.g. for an activity or sports team.
  4. (slang) An invitation to fight.
  5. A request for people to join or take part.
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I think that this book has excerpts of code or small screenshots alongside the text. These snippets are "callouts".
And these "callouts" probably have some tags on them, like HTML tags (? - I'm not sure)
This is a 1997 book.
I remember Windows NT. It ... didn't fit into a nutshell, sadly.
I even remember Windows 3.1. It came with my Acer Mate PC (486 SX-33, 4 Mb RAM, 210 Mb HDD Seagate)
I think I still have that Seagate HDD somewhere.
18:16
I think Win 3.11 was the "polished" version.
@Cerberus The Guardian says that the Dutch get a surprising amount of skin cancer. I'm surprised and sad, but their reasoning makes sense.
> “The Dutch always have the feeling that they are missing the sun because it’s such an overclouded sky, it’s always raining and we never shut our curtains,” he said. “I have lived in Rome and everybody keeps their shutters and curtains closed to keep out the sun – but the Dutch want the light inside, due to the lack of sun.”
> One in five people in the Netherlands will get a form of skin cancer in their lifetime, according to the Netherlands Comprehensive Cancer Organisation (IKNL).
You do not want that. Really you do not. I've known people who've died from this, and many more who've gotten it.
I think here in the Rocky Mountains and the American Southwest we have a healthy fear of the sun that I little remember from youth up in the rainy Great Lakes.
Like the article said about Spain.
There they know how dangerous the sun is. In Scotland? Perhaps not.
> At Zand Katwijk, customer Petra Hoogeveen, 71 from Leiden, said that both her mother and son had experienced skin cancer. “People who live in warmer countries like Spain try to avoid the sun, but we don’t: we go in search of sun,” she said. “I don’t really go in the sun, because I find it too warm… but I don’t really use sun cream either.”
Yes, that's the problem.
18:38
@tchrist Myself, I'm particular to Blue Lizard.
If anybody knows sunburn, it's the Aussies.
Intereseting.
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@tchrist Yeah, so many people go tanning on the beach or in tanning-booths.
I always avoid the sun.
Which is why people think I'm 30.
I'm surprised that tanning booths still aren't illegal in more places than they are yet.
I have to go out in the day now, so just finished lathering up with serious sunscreen everywhere the sun could plausibly reach, and then some.
Supposedly the UV load right now is merely 8/10, or "very high". Still.
@Robusto Did you identify #3 area or by recognizing the written material?
> The commercial use of tanning beds was banned entirely in Brazil in 2009 and Australia in 2015.
Indoor tanning involves using a device that emits ultraviolet radiation to produce a cosmetic tan. Typically found in tanning salons, gyms, spas, hotels, and sporting facilities, and less often in private residences, the most common device is a horizontal tanning bed, also known as a sunbed or solarium. Vertical devices are known as tanning booths or stand-up sunbeds. First introduced in the 1960s, indoor tanning became popular with people in the Western world, particularly in Scandinavia, in the late 1970s. The practice finds a cultural parallel in skin whitening in Asian countries, and both support...
@tchrist Oh, that makes sense.
@jlliagre Did you finish it yet?
19:11
@Cerberus It does.
Is it really true that the darkest skinned never burn?
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The white skinned look too happy in that graph.
@Cerberus No.
I figured.
19:12
> Higher levels of melanin means less sunburn and less skin cancer. But even the darkest-skinned person is not protected 100% from sunlight. A 2010 CDC study found that 13% of black women and 9% of black men reported getting at least one sunburn in the past year.
Makes sense.
Of course these are American "black" they're reporting on, so seldom all that super dark as some can be. Stlll.
@jlliagre Ha, how did I miss that?
I'm probably Fitzpatrick 2 with blue/green eyes and no freckles. That's scary enough.
@Robusto You didn't turn off your sunlamp.
19:14
@tchrist So then what do they mean by "darkest skinned"?
Not just pale redheads from Scotland alone need fear the sun.
@jlliagre Spoiler
@jlliagre takes notes
@Cerberus I can't say. But I've seen people from Africa with far darker skin than most American "blacks" seem to have.
@tchrist Same, but green/gold eyes.
I left out the gold.
19:16
@tchrist Hmm.
One would expect some Americans to also have that darkest skin.
Besides, the text doesn't seem to match its source.
@Cerberus Some do, but when I see one of that hue, I immediately suspect African unmixed.
The chance is probably high, but still.
That's my eye color. Call it what you will.
Nice rounding.
I feel like my eye color has lightened with age. I might be wrong.
19:19
Nowadays, one can burn away the brown.
And get blue eyes.
Using lasers.
What do you mean?
Why would you do that?
The same reason people have face-lifts...
Oh my.
So perhaps sunlight can also do this a little bit?
Around the Mediterranean, June to September was sunburn season. It was part of the experience for most people coming there. You arrive, stay one day or two on the beach without any protection, get sunburnt, hide from the sun until it stops hurting, renew the operation until either you are suntanned or the vacation ends.
19:22
My direct ancestors' eyes all lightened in color with age.
Or, perhaps, became less saturated.
@jlliagre Horrific.
I remember tanning as a child, occasionally.
@jlliagre Do people really still do such a stupid thing?
Less than it used to be.
@tchrist Less or more?
@Cerberus Do you mean you recall getting a tan or deliberately trying for that effect? I seem to recall you may have brown eyes.
Not that that's any protection on its own. Especially for all of us white boys.
19:24
@tchrist Blue eyes.
I remember being sun burned a few times in my life.
Ah, more burning.
I also remember lying in the sun on purpose, more than a few times.
Probably between the ages of 14 and 22.
Though not super often.
And my skin is fairly dark for a European.
I think I have Asian skin.
Yes, it's an adolescent thing perhaps. Sometimes to the point of not being able to sit down comfortably afterwards.
19:25
So still hardly any wrinkles.
@tchrist Were I adolescing now, I should never do it!
Times have changed.
Noöne should, but many do.
Indeed.
Many of my mother's friends are leather bags.
I wonder what I will look like at 65.
I have wrinkles next to my eyes, and above my Adam's apple.
So you should expect at least that. :)
The latter location is odd.
We shall see!
It's that crinkly grampa skin.
19:27
Hmm.
It's not like that on the rest of me. But I did get asked whether I'd turned fifty yet twice in the past month. But these were from young people with little appreciation for the effects of aging on the body.
Still not a bad thing to hear.
It is true that the young know little.
I do not "move" like the old man that I am. I move...more vigorously.
A 23-year-old guessed 23 for me. A 28-year-old guessed 28. A 41-year-old guessed 41.
Projection.
19:30
Yes.
But most people guess around 30 so I'm good.
I'm up to 7 or 8 miles of serious walking/hiking daily now. Which is what I must needs now be about, ere the storms come again.
@tchrist People are generally surprised that I'm not 20 years younger than my true age..
That sounds far!
@Robusto It's because you can still move.
Be safe!
@Robusto Very nice.
19:31
@tchrist This is good. I'm glad to hear it.
@Cerberus All at once it's far, but in two bouts it's nothing. Maybe 2 x 75 minutes total.
Walking does not really tire me, but it takes such a long time!
WEll, far-ish. You need water and calories.
That it does.
Humans can survive for a long time without food, can't they?
Except perhaps diabetics?
I've been doing most of my walks at extreme elevation though.
19:32
Oh, that must be tougher.
You need blood sugar to burn the energy.
You can't really exercise without some carbs. Because that's what you burn.
When I'm on a long ride I feel a definite boost after a carb snack.
The other day, though, when I got back from California after 10 days at sea level, I forgot my Clif bar and felt dizzy during and after a 35-mile ride.
Dizzy and sluggish.
How long did it take to recover?
I sometimes feel dizzy and sluggish too, after not eating.
But how did our ancestor do it, who would often not eat for longer times?
Does one get used to it after a day or two?
The point of spending two to five hours out in nature every day is not purely for calories burned. It improves your mental health, brings peace and wonder.
19:38
Fasting takes practice.
@Robusto Yes.
Hmm my mental health doesn't need that, I think.
I wonder whether someone here can help identifying several words around minute 8:20 (in [square bracket] below) that I couldn't figure out from this video that I am transcribing, since I use it a lot in my Christianity.SE answers to explain the Incarnation. Complete transcript here.
> Robert: [7:45] Okay, when Jesus was growing up, maybe a 15 year old or 8, was there a full recognition of his past life as God? Did he know that, when he is kind of made some wooden houses as a carpenter, that I could just instantly make this house into modern skyscraper if I wanted to, but, you know, I’m not going to do that, did he have that knowledge continuously or was that something hidden or didn’t have access to, it’s very [probative of?] understanding [what it means ?] ...
> Eleonore: [8:20] Yea, but see, here’s an interesting thing to notice: your question presupposes [anile?] what I just said, because he has two natures ... Robert (interjecting): all from birth. Eleonore: ... from birth he has two natures. So, in his divine nature he is omniscient; that nature is his. In his human nature, he’s fully human.
I walked for a bit more than an hour on Monday, in the forest. It was nice but it doesn't do that much for me.
@tchrist That's quite a good daily exercise there. What's the elevation difference? I like using All Trails app for me to anticipate trail's grade profile.
19:43
I ran 10 km today.. and cycled 41 km.
@GratefulDisciple Anything from 400 feet to 2600 feet, depending on where I go and what I do.
> A machine-learning model could decipher whether a given neuron resided in the hippocampus, midbrain, thalamus or visual cortex 89 percent of the time thetransmitter.org/neuroanatomy/…
Turns out each neuron transmits information about its approximate location in the brain.
@tchrist You mean within the 75 minutes, you would have climbed 2200 feet?
@CowperKettle A GPS inside the brain?
@GratefulDisciple I also hear, very probative of understanding what this means.
@GratefulDisciple No, those are longer hikes.
19:46
@GratefulDisciple Your question presupposes a denial of what I just said.
@Cerberus Thanks how about "your question presupposes xxxxx what I just said" ? Cannot get the word there.
@GratefulDisciple Like this common hike here in town: alltrails.com/trail/us/colorado/…
@Cerberus Thanks. That makes sense.
Another common one I've take like four times already is this one: alltrails.com/trail/us/colorado/… It's only half the gain but it ends up around 12,000 feet.
In the past couple months.
@GratefulDisciple Was having us watch that video part of your plot to convert us?
19:49
My normal backyard long hike is 7 miles, but the 3 mile loop up Hogback Ridge is a very steep 800 foot climb. Getting to the loop and back is mostly flattish.
@Cerberus Heheheh... no. But among the chat rooms I visited, this one is the most active and appropriate. The other active one is the Math.SE, but most probably wouldn't use these kinds of the vocabs.
What a compliment!
We are a very probative chat room indeed.
You cannot do any of these without food and water.
@tchrist Wow, beautiful trails. I went to Colorado Springs 5-8 years ago, good trails there too.
What is your native language, by the way?
19:54
@Cerberus If you must know, it's Indonesian.
I wouldn't have guessed.
Thanks for the background info.
Moluccan, perhaps?
@Cerberus I moved to the USA when I went to university just after high school.
@GratefulDisciple BTW, I've got the BWV 543 A minor prelude starting to sound halfway decent on piano, or at least to the point where I could make it so with a few weeks' work. The fugue would take rather more time to work up though, I fear. That one I mostly just piddle around with to remind myself how bad I am at it.
19:55
Well done.
@Cerberus Nope, Chinese Indonesian. My parents (who both are Chinese too) were fluent in Dutch. None of us speak Chinese. Grew up in an Indonesian church from denomination descendant from the 500-year old Dutch Reformed Church.
Ahh makes sense.
I wonder what percentage of Chinese people in Indonesia are Muslim, Christian, and nothing?
How many millions are there?
@Cerberus Chinese Indonesians are definitely minority there, probably 2% at most. Most of us are either Christian, Buddhist, or Confucian. Only a handful are Muslim, who probably because of marriage, but I don't know any, either in Indonesia, or from those who immigrated to the USA.
@tchrist I use alltrails for mountain biking (and hiking, though less so). It's simply the best tool for the job. That particular trail looks like a great hike. I'd like to try it sometime.
@GratefulDisciple Still 4 million!
20:01
@Cerberus But yes, a lot of Moluccan are Christians and very friendly with the Dutch, so they comprise some of Indonesian Christian population, which is around 10%. But Mollucans are outnumbered by Javanese. Lots of native Javanese Christians too.
Those religions make sense. I wonder what proportion would be Christian.
My grandfather was born in Indonesia.
@Cerberus To be precise, see this article, so around 3.3 million today. There's a breakdown by religion as well.
Quite a lot!
@Cerberus It's a huge country with high population density, esp. in the Java island.
@Cerberus How about that! My family's patriarch who came to Indonesia from China came in early 20th century, so I'm 4th generation. But once he arrived, he assimilated into the Javanese culture. So my grandparent's native language was actually Javanese.
@GratefulDisciple I know.
@GratefulDisciple I don't know when my grandfather's ancestors moved to Indonesia, but probably quite some time before yours!
I imagine the degree of assimilation varies along among Chinese people.
20:07
@Cerberus That's true, and it's influenced heavily by the cultural assimilation policies instituted in my dad's generation, which is why speaking Chinese there was discouraged. Even my parents had to adopt Indonesian name. Among my generation some still retain their Chinese customs (like celebrating Chinese new year), but my parents are westernized due to their education.
Hmm I see.
There were also occasionally razzias against Chinese people during colonial times (not instigated by the Dutch).
I have yet to visit Netherlands though. Maybe one day. I would love to play their pipe organs. So far, I'm just enjoying Netherlands Bach Society's All of Bach recordings. Before that, I should brush up on my Dutch. I recognize conversational Dutch words.
Oh, the Bachvereniging is nice.
So, is Dutch your first language?
Yes.
Yours Indonesian?
Oh, you already said so.
20:13
@tchrist Good for you. I have yet to try BWV 543 transcription on the piano. Currently practicing Partita No. 1, Italian Concerto, and French Suite No. 5.
Would this be classified as "the curse of knowledge"
> with human detection of typos and spelling errors, you'll be very bad/inefficient at it if you don't know the language, you'll get better, then eventually you learn the language too well to do it as well as someone who doesn't know the language as well
@Cerberus Nice. It's good to know at least 2 languages. I still use Indonesian with my parents, but since I don't marry Indonesian, in my family it's 100% English.
@user20458579510081670432 Hmm is this really true?
@GratefulDisciple Some parents in mixed marriages each speak their own language to the child.
Or at least part of the time.
Perhaps, it's an over generalization.
Learning the language "too well" seems iffy
@Cerberus Yes, and that it has to be consistent so the child can attain dual language better. And if that's your intention, the mom speaks one language only, the dad speaks one language only. In my case, I decide to not introduce Indonesian, but only English.
20:22
Yeah, that would be very hard.
I think most parents just have one parent talk Indonesian to the child some of the time, just so that she may learn enough of it to get by.
@Cerberus Yes, the cost of being minority I guess. At least a lot of Chinese Indonesians can speak the local language fluently as in the case of my family.
Maybe that helps?
The Chinese 'doctor' whose shop is below my bedroom hardly speaks any Dutch.
He is pretty old.
@Cerberus It really depends on the goal. My family is practically established in USA / Canada, so not much reason to teach Indonesian anymore. French is a much more useful 2nd language in Canada.
Why would it need to be 'useful'?
@Cerberus Well... practical reason? Priority? Future goals? There is only so much the brain can learn during growing up.
20:30
They say that the capacity is greatest during the growing years.
@Cerberus I wonder why he wouldn't want to learn Dutch / English; wouldn't that make it easier for him? But I do know minority communities that tend to keep to their own, speaking their own first language. I guess one of my parent's values transmitted to me is that you should always be fluent in the primary language where you live.
@user20458579510081670432 That's true as well. I leave the decision to my wife who has education major who knows something about childhood development. She's in charge in that department :-).
@user20458579510081670432 I cannot yet identify any negatives from learning a language "too well", only too exclusive, i.e. without trying to get better with another language. Maybe if your job is to teach language to foreign students. Other than that, what's the negatives?
Sacrificing accuracy for speed, could be considered as a "negative," at least in written work.
@GratefulDisciple The Italian Concerto is dazzling!
@GratefulDisciple How about culture, tradition, family?
That's where I've gotten to now, maybe four or five hundred feet above my house.
20:44
@tchrist Yes, would love to be able to concentrate on the artistry once I don't make mistakes anymore at the speed I want. Still working mostly on the 3rd movement. My 2nd problem after getting fluent playing it would be memorization.
@tchrist Must be nice to be so close to nature.
@tchrist Good composition and colours.
Pastels?
Divine power?
@Cerberus If I were very literate in Chinese, let's say I'm a Chinese medicine doctor, a Chinese painter / calligraphist, a Chinese poet, or a humanist in a Chinese tradition, for sure I would teach Chinese to my kids. Same for Indonesian. But I have none; my Indonesian literacy level is up to high school, and I went to a science high school.
I think some of it is that weird pink/orange/green light that tells you that hail or tornadoes are coming. I'd best get back down.
Culturally, I don't have much Chinese / Indonesian either since I was raised Christian in a church that the religion is somewhat compartmentalized from the culture (which is common; the hymns are straight translation from Dutch into Indonesian). And my parents don't practice any Chinese customs either, and sticking mostly to our Chinese Indonesian community who are similarly Western educated (thanks to the Dutch schooling).
@tchrist Ohh have you taken this picture just now?
20:53
Strangely, my dad still identifies more with Javanese culture that he grew up with, but he failed to teach me Javanese, so no cultural transmittance there.
@GratefulDisciple It is still an important part of your culture, of who you are?
Language is the most important element of culture.
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Is that why there is no such thing as a Latin culture, only a Latino culture?
@Cerberus I have sometimes wondered who I am, identity wise, since my environment doesn't force me one way or another. Musically, I'm definitely Western European since that's what I enjoy from birth (along with my parents), not the Javanese Gamelan music or the Chinese traditional opera music. Religion-wise, I'm hard set to be Christian, which is very portable, and liturgically I grew up in its Western Protestantism expression, although now I appreciate Catholic liturgies more.
@user20458579510081670432 Indeed, there is Roman culture.
A language is not a culture: it is part of a culture. Though sometimes one may indicate a culture by its language.
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Is there an internet culture?
21:02
Philosophically, I feel most at home with Thomism, another Western European heritage, though I'm also open to read Eastern philosophies and religions. My work environment is American/Canadian culture. Only with food I retain my likings to the food I grew up with, although I don't feel deprived if I don't eat Indonesian for years.
Literature-wise, I DO appreciate the fact that I can read Indonesian language literature with adult perspective, although time competes for me to read Shakespeare and other major English poets. But vocabulary-wise, I think my English much exceed my Indonesian vocabulary, so it's easier to "walk the trail" of English literature.
Community-wise, our social circles are English speaking Canadians.
To sum up, I would see language as function of 1) your cultural interest; 2) the richness of your family that you want to preserve (which in my case, not much Chinese / Indonesian left). In my case, English seems to be the logical choice. If I were to learn a foreign language, my #1 choice would have to be either Latin (medieval philosophy), German (Bach), or French (Catholic & pre-19th century Western culture).
@Cerberus Agree with you there.
@tchrist My favorite Bach piece to play. Especially the last movement.
So when people who know my background ask about my identity, I say I'm a Christian American/Canadian Indonesian-born Chinese, in that order of importance.
@Robusto Great.
That is not your identity: your identity is Grateful Disciple.
What you describe is your background or culture.
Well, need to go for today. Until next time. Have a good weekend.
21:22
Got back down for the light rain, and just got home right before the thunder and heavier rain started to roll in. I'd've been "safe" up there against any unexpected tornadoes, as I am here at home, but lightning and hail could have been unpleasant. Or worse.
Anyway, they're only calling for quarter-inch hail, not tornadoes, today.
It seems too early in the day for the eerie green light of supercells and imminent destruction.
You lucked-out, this time pal. Keep a close eye on the weather reports before you go
I looked at the local radar. It still seemed a couple of hours away.
Use your time wisely; showing soundness of judgment.
I did: I got in a good short hike before the tempest fell.
Yesterday it stormed so hard there was flash flooding downtown.
But it was delightful before and after.
Except for the flooded-out cars stuck in the intersections.
I didn't have to run today. That happens sometimes.
I don't like my head being the local maximum when Zeus is at target practice.
Get a treadmill.
21:31
Gross!
Zeus can't touch you on that.
@Cerberus YES! I had.
And some free weights if you're feeling energetic.
@tchrist Not bad at all!
Just a lame cell phone picture, jacked up a bit.
21:35
So you were chatting with us during your walk?
@Cerberus Only a couple lines, to show you where I'd gotten to.
How modern.
Mobile doesn't support uploading pictures.
Your what hurts?
Use the full site, not the cellular one.
Piece of cake.
21:39
Tchrist is not some creature from the stone age!
Lots of rain here as well.
He's a cyberspace explorer.
Now it's raining hard.
This is what I didn't want to be out in. I judged it would be here around 4pm, and it's 3:45pm now. I set my sights on a max-90-minute walk at around 1:45. So I judged it correctly. Light spittle is no cause for alarm.
Light spittle was enough for dainty kitty to have taken refuge under the north eaves from a southern storm. Not enough to drive him inside yet then.
That's where he was when I got back, looking at me like it was all my fault.
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21:48
Hello, @tchrist. How are you doing? I have a little question.
You can't be out in this with your phone without a condom.
@Idon'tknowwhoIam. I'm doing little.
@tchrist Actually I am confused about some terminologies of English grammar, specially, tense.
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@Idon'tknowwhoIam. About the word "tense" as applied to English?
Some books have written Present perfect tense as Simple perfect tense.
Yes, well. Those aren't tenses.
21:50
CAN you please clear it for me? I am a little confused about it.
Even Cambridge Dictionary has some examples where some examples are Simple Perfect Tense and some are Present Perfect Tense. So, what's the difference?
In synthetic languages, tense is a morphological inflection on the base verb. It's a change to an existing word. In analytic languages, it's adding separate words to form nuances of time, either past or present or future, or sometimes before the past.
So see is one tense and saw is another tense, the past tense. That's synthesizing.
@jlliagre and @Robusto Here is a When Drawn for you.
@Idon'tknowwhoIam. You're just going to get into trouble with this, but they've mixed together tense and aspect there.
21:54
So, what should I understand from the Simple Perfect Tense and Present Perfect Tense? What is the difference again? I am still dejected about it. I couldn't even clear my students when they brought questions from Cambridge Dictionary.
The When shouldn't be too hard (within a few decades, that is).
REmove the word tense and we can talk. :)
The Where I wouldn't have guessed.
Latin had a simple perfect tense, the -avi forms. English does not. They're misusing Latin lingo to describe English.
21:55
I just gave this explanation to my students..

Present perfect tense is used for actions with a duration, examples for three years or five years so on. Example: I have studied English for five years. Now this is with duration.

So, your sentence is the same as present perfect tense.

While present perfect simple is used for completed actions with a specific time frame, examples for today and week etc. (I have written a letter). You have written this in a specific time frame. So, you will call it simple and perfect.
The "compound tense" used by many modern languages with be or have plus a perfect inflection is something else.
You should not call that simple.
It is compound.
Simple and compound are opposites.
When you have multiple words, it is a compound verb form.
How to different between them?
@Cerberus Spoiler
When you have a single word, it is a simple verb form.
@Idon'tknowwhoIam. Sometimes people use the term "present perfect simple tense" to distinguish it from the "present perfect continuous tense."
21:56
Differentiate between what?
@alphabet Yes. I have gone through VS on Google.
If you accept the views of linguists like Huddleston & Pullum, though, neither of these are actually tenses.
"present perfect simple" makes no sense.
21:57
@Robusto Maybe spoiler your own guess in case someone else has no idea?
Some examples in Cambridge Dictionary confused me by calling some examples Simple Perfect Tense.
You can have a simple present, a simple past, a perfect present, and a perfect past.
But simple perfect tense makes sense.
No it does not.
Well, not in English.
@Robusto Ah, no, it is not that occasion: I had not hear of that, will read!
21:58
In Latin, it makes sense.
@Cerberus Spoiled.
It is always a good idea to spoil people and things.
@Cerberus Not in France, that would have been the opposite.
Are you focusing on the perfect aspect of the past?
How about French, @tchrist?
21:59
English has a very weak aspect system.
@jlliagre I suppose so, unless it were the event that Rob thought!
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