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If those are the only two words, sure.
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rev /usr/share/dict/words | sort | rev
@alphabet I didn't say the government was effective.
Given all of bereave bereft, cleave cleft, heave heft, leave left, reave reft, sleeve sleft, thieve theft, weave weft, not to mention give gift, sieve sift, now we just need peeve peft.
I'll leave Delft to the dolven Dutch.
Dwarrowdelf.
crave craft.
rave raft, shave shaft, sove soft.
Bulgaria Dzungaria Maria Bavaria Alexandria Beria Iberia Liberia Siberia Nigeria Algeria Valeria Sumeria Santeria Peoria Gloria Victoria Pretoria Astoria Atria Bactria Austria Manchuria Luria Lemuria Etruria Syria Assyria.
Too sadge it's Korea not Koria.
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Andrea Korea Eritrea.
Asia Transcaucasia Australasia Laurasia Eurasia Anastasia Rhodesia Melanesia Indonesia Micronesia Polynesia Tunisia Nicosia Persia Russia Byelorussia Prussia Andalusia Malaysia.
Fire Desire Expire Inspire Admire Quagsire.
Frigidaire Claire Baudelaire Apollinaire Voltaire Astaire Zaire Eire Lancashire Cheshire Berkshire Yorkshire Hampshire Shropshire Worcestershire Ayrshire Loire McGuire.
Dada Ramada Torquemada Narmada Canada Granada Grenada Kannada Prada Estrada Masada Theravada Nevada Vijayawada.
Lupercalia Westphalia Thalia Amalia Somalia Bacchanalia Saturnalia Australia Natalia Celia Cecelia Delia Cordelia Ofelia Angelia Ophelia Shelia Lelia Amelia Cornelia Aurelia Paglia Anglia Cecilia Lilia Emilia Brasilia Mongolia Anatolia Julia.
Linnaeus Piraeus Antaeus Maccabeus Amadeus Thaddeus Cepheus Orpheus Morpheus Prometheus Equuleus Atreus Theseus Perseus Odysseus Proteus Zeus.
Edge Cringe Orange Fridge Indulge Sage Age Mage.
Seychelles Dardanelles Welles Brailles Versailles Marseilles Achilles Antilles Dulles.
Laius Mencius Confucius Lucius Claudius Apuleius Epimethius Boethius Vesalius Sibelius Delius Cornelius Aurelius Berzelius Julius Arrhenius Arminius Vilnius Suetonius Antonius Pius Aesculapius Gropius Scorpius Arius Darius Marius Sagittarius Aquarius Stradivarius Tiberius Sirius Nestorius Prius Demetrius Celsius Theodosius Cassius Clausius Ignatius Lucretius Helvetius Mauritius Grotius Vesuvius.
Meager Stagger Dagger Dragger Tagger Wagger Schrödinger.
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Leicester Worcester Gloucester Hester Chester Manchester Winchester Rochester Dniester Lester Forester Sylvester.
Bracket Sprocket Rocket Locket Crocket Cricket.
Phaedra Chandra Alejandra Sandra Casandra Cassandra Alexandra Kendra Indra Sondra Saundra Audra Aludra Sudra Hydra.
Rice Lice Price Ice Nice Mice Vice Slice.
Zealand Gondwanaland Midland Newfoundland Graceland Iceland Dixieland Leland Rhineland Copeland Ireland Cleveland Langland England Thailand Swaziland Oakland Strickland Auckland Falkland Kirkland Sjaelland Welland Holland Rolland Greenland Sudetenland Finland Poland Roland Lapland Copland McFarland Garland Cumberland Sutherland Switzerland Queensland Shetland Scotland Cortland Portland Jutland Rowland Disneyland Maryland Newfoundlands Dixielands Falklands Hollands Netherlands Shetlands.
Albania Oceania Goiania Beatlemania Romania Tasmania Roumania Rumania Pomerania Urania Tania Mauritania Lusitania Titania Lithuania Transylvania Pennsylvania Azania Tanzania Iphigenia Eugenia Armenia Yesenia Slovenia Xenia Sardinia Virginia Herminia Abyssinia Polyhymnia Britannia Macedonia Caledonia Patagonia Catalonia Sonia Tonia Antonia Estonia Livonia Narnia Hibernia California Bosnia.
Latin Keewatin Chaitin Valentin Quentin Oxycontin Martin Kristin Austin Dustin Agustin Justin Putin Rasputin.
gator indagator propagator variegator legator delegator allegator negator abnegator segregator aggregator congregator ligator obligator alligator fumigator irrigator litigator mitigator castigator investigator preinvestigator instigator fustigator avigator navigator circumnavigator levigator promulgator abrogator derogator supererogator prorogator arrogator interrogator dispergator objurgator compurgator expurgator subjugator conjugator nugator corrugator
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Lithemia Natremia Magnesemia Kalemia Calcemia. (I ran out of ideas.)
*gram
*meter
*ation, *ition
Mile Nile Tile File Docile Missile Crocodile.
Fielding Golding Harding Boeing Pershing Beijing Nanjing King Peking Chungking Viking Nanking OKing Hawking Wheeling Darjeeling Ringling Schelling Memling Kipling Darling Sterling Stirling Riesling Quisling Gatling Pauling Rowling Ming Deming Fleming Kunming Wyoming Manning Corning Browning Taiping Peiping Xiaoping Chongqing Waring Bering Pickering Goering Kettering Behring Herring Turing Lansing Ting Banting Photostatting Thanksgiving Irving Ewing Americanizing.
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Number Slumber Ember Plumber Uber September October November December.
Miguel Samuel Lemuel Manuel Emanuel Emmanuel Buñuel Raquel Pantagruel.
Fumble Jumble Able Fable Noble Humble Mumble Table Cable.
Kodaly Thessaly Italy Bradly Cecily Sicily Lily Emily Sally Leadbelly Shelly Kelly Nelly Billy Piccadilly Reilly Philly Caerphilly Lilly Chantilly Willy Dolly Holly Molly Connolly Polly Lully Carly Kimberly Beverly Orly July Lyly.
Albee Toynbee Okeechobee Frisbee Sadducee Jaycee Dee Zebedee Tweedledee McGee Murrumbidgee Tuskegee Muskogee Chattahoochee Rhee McKee Truckee Yankee Okefenokee Cherokee Milwaukee Lee Pelee Ashlee Galilee Klee Attlee Aimee Swanee Suwanee Renee Menominee Shawnee Pawnee Slurpee Cree Sheree Legree Desiree Tyree Pharisee Tallahassee Tennessee Humvee Yahtzee.
Kirby Furby Gumby Chubby... Teletubby?
Seaborg Göteborg Swedenborg Sandburg Hamburg Oldenburg Brandenburg Hindenburg Yekaterinburg Johannesburg Augsburg Harrisburg Duisburg Vicksburg Ginsburg Hapsburg Gettysburg Luxembourg Strasbourg Edinburgh Pittsburgh.
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Flare Glare Ware Mare Care Scare Spare Hare Share Bare Blare.
02:33
Arthashastra of the day: Avoid War
> Avoid War

One can lose a war as easily as one can win.
War is inherently unpredictable.
War is also expensive. Avoid war.
Try Upaya (four strategies).
Then Sadgunya (six forms of non-war pressure).
Understand the opponent and seek to outwit him.
When everything fails, resort to military force.
The Arthashastra (Sanskrit: अर्थशास्त्रम्, IAST: Arthaśāstram; transl. Economics) is an Ancient Indian Sanskrit treatise on statecraft, political science, economic policy and military strategy. Chanakya, also identified as Vishnugupta and Kautilya, is traditionally credited as the author of the text. Chanakya was a scholar at Taxila, the teacher and guardian of Mauryan emperor Chandragupta Maurya. Some scholars believe the three to be the same person, while a few have questioned this identification. The text is likely the work of several authors over centuries. Composed, expanded and redacted between...
 
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I asked Copilot to compare Arthashastra and “The Art of War,” and the result seemed reasonable to me.
 
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@CowperKettle four + six = Ukraine's 10 point peace plan
 
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> PM Modi to visit Kyiv for the first time since Russia-Ukraine war
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@Xanne You mean Sun-Tzu's?
 
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@DannyuNDos Barnaby Araby Abby Debby Libby Bobby Robby Shelby Philby Colby Dolby Toby Darby Derby Kirby Cosby Crosby Gatsby Ruby.
 
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@Xanne What did it say?
"Scientists have stopped using laboratory rats in favor of attorneys. The only negative is that it's sometimes hard to apply the experimental results to humans. On the plus side, there are more of them, and you don't get so emotionally attached. Also, there are some things a rat won't do."
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@jlliagre In English, you can say "The apprentice aped the movements of the blacksmith" meaning something like 'mindlessly imitated'. It's a sort of metonymy, where apes are really good at mimicry, so make a verb out of it.
In French is there a similar 'simian' verb? One could, without any loss at all, use imitier or mimer.
I ask because I just read the Planet of the Apes and, (no spoiler) it's like the entire setup of the book is motivated by apes being good mimics, and I wondered if in French there was a verb that captured that.
@CowperKettle that video was already on my list of things to watch...I still haven't gotten to it... it's... a bit long.
Marcus is very knowledgeable about the whole field and I agree with him a lot, but he tends to have one note which is negative all the time (and he sometimes gets in immature twitter fights with people you wouldn't expect to have immature twitter fights (LeCun famously)). Also he seems a little petty in his insistence of always saying he thought of (and wrote about) something first (like a lot of these LLM problems).
It's weird. He's super pro-AI, but he's almost always saying how some new AI technique is bad (for all variations on what 'bad' could mean: ethically undesirable, does not match claims, factually wrong, not AGI, etc, etc)
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@Mitch We have the similar verb singer: Imiter d'une manière caricaturale, par simple jeu ou par moquerie, en contrefaisant des gestes, des attitudes, la voix.
However, the verb is negative, it means an improper, clumsy imitation while mimer or imiter are not.
I came across an interesting question in Literature.SE:
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Q: What does Mrs Weston mean by "do not beat me" in "Emma"?

MithicalIn Jane Austen's Emma, when Emma and Mrs. Weston are arguing about the possibility of Mr. Knightley being in love with Jane Fairfax, Mrs. Weston finishes off with this line: 'Well, Mrs Weston,' said Emma, triumphantly when he left them, 'what do you say now to Mr Knightley's marrying Jane Fairfa...

which makes me wonder about the range of meaning of "beat" in Jane Austen period. Is it more likely that it means physical beating or beating her in an argument?
Painting genre of the day: Singerie.
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Singerie is the name given to a visual arts genre depicting monkeys imitating human behavior, often fashionably attired, intended as a diverting sight, using satire. The term is derived from the French word for "Monkey Trick". Though it has a long history, the height of the genre was in the 18th century, in the Rococo. == History == The practise can be traced as far back as Ancient Egypt; Cyril Aldred detected a love of singerie that he found characteristic of the late Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt; Throughout the medieval period in Europe, monkeys were seen "as a symbol of downgraded humanity...
 
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@jlliagre I can't say whether the nuances are the same, but 'to ape' and 'singer' seem to have the same nominal intention.
To hear the shape of a drum is to infer information about the shape of the drumhead from the sound it makes, i.e., from the list of overtones, via the use of mathematical theory. "Can One Hear the Shape of a Drum?" is the title of a 1966 article by Mark Kac in the American Mathematical Monthly which made the question famous, though this particular phrasing originates with Lipman Bers. Similar questions can be traced back all the way to physicist Arthur Schuster in 1882. For his paper, Kac was given the Lester R. Ford Award in 1967 and the Chauvenet Prize in 1968. The frequencies at which a drumhead...
Unfortunately English doesn't incline one to make up an awesome word like 'Singerie'.
Despite lacking a word, there's still this:
Dogs Playing Poker, by Cassius Marcellus Coolidge, refers collectively to an 1894 painting, a 1903 series of sixteen oil paintings commissioned by Brown & Bigelow to advertise cigars, and a 1910 painting. All eighteen paintings in the overall series feature anthropomorphized dogs, but the eleven in which dogs are seated around a card table have become well known in the United States as examples of kitsch art in home decoration. Depictions and reenactments of the series have appeared in many films, television shows, theater productions, and other popular culture art forms. Critic Annette Ferrara...
@GratefulDisciple Wow... that's a good one. 'beat' sounds to me -totally- like a physical action. But maybe 200+ years ago it had an additional meaning?
The OED is not giving me all the entries for 'beat'... that would be the best reference to try to find some obscure archaic meaning (or help reinterpret the passage so that 'beat' might be metaphorical).
 
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Interesting fact: "singular they" is about as old as "singular you."
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Hey, guys, does this sentence sound alright to you?

I want to learn to speak English to the perfection.
@Mitch So your instinct is consistent with the 1948 movie interpretation, see quote.
@alphabet Hello. Nice to see you. @all, hello. If you permit I'd like to visit this site from time to time. I am glad I can learn something new. Hmmm, I dislike a little bit too many to's in Michael's sentence if speaking sincerely.
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@MichaelRybkin "I want to learn to speak English to perfection."
Drop the 'the' with perfection here.
For whatever reason, I just don't know what a rule could possibly be (I'm just not thinking?). So consider it an idiom for now.
@GratefulDisciple I would say that I am at a loss because it seems unlikely that people in polite conversation would refer to physical violence like that. Unless it were metaphorical. But it still sounds weird. So I am more in favor of interpreting it as a strange semantic drift (that has been lost) rather than literally referring to a ohysical act.
My instinct is that I'd want to see the full OED entries for 'beat' before making any kind of decision. @tchrist?
@Mitch thanks a lot. I'm very glad to see you. Personally I think the noun "perfection" does not require the definite article in front of it because it's an abstract noun, so you can't see it or hear it or touch it et cetera. Compare: "Brevity is the sister of talent." (sigh) Our nation always has worst troubles with those articles. I will probably never master them completely! By the way, I've recently learned a new word (for me) which is "alas".
@Mitch Emma was 21 and had lifelong upbringing with her governess. Maybe they did a lot of physical horseplay. Maybe the "beating" is not like boys fighting, more like smacking? Maybe Mrs. Weston was referring to Emma's tantrum when she was a lot younger, and wasn't actually expecting a smacking from her now 21 year old charge?
Earlier in the chapter, there was a physical act: "Emma felt her foot pressed by Mrs. Weston, and did not herself know what to think. In a moment he went on", a kind of female to female signal I saw in the movie Impromptu also (set in 19th century as well).
Then in Sense and Sensibility there was a much more severe beating of Lucy by Fanny Dashwood in the 1991 movie (not sure whether it is in the novel).
Sorry, I meant 1995 movie, see this clip (minute 1:15).
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@GratefulDisciple t's most likely a metaphor, but the OED would confirm (and I don't have access).
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@Mitch @DannyuNDos It said Arthashastra was broader, relating to many aspects of the state, whereas Sun Tzu focused more on military tactics. Does that sound like the right ballpark to you guys?
It gave sources, including Wikipedia. So it’s read the available lit, such as it is.
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@GratefulDisciple Just metaphorical, I think.
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@Xanne Yes, it seems more likely metaphorical. Of relevance is Chapter 8 where Emma reacted vigorously to Mrs. Weston's saying that "[she has] made a match between Mr. Knightley and Jane Fairfax". After many heated exchange, Austen concluded with:
> They combated the point some time longer in the same way; Emma rather gaining ground over the mind of her friend; for Mrs. Weston was the most used of the two to yield; till a little bustle in the room shewed them that tea was over, and the instrument in preparation;—and at the same moment Mr. Cole approaching to entreat Miss Woodhouse would do them the honour of trying it. ...
@Mitch Thank you very much.
But the idea still stewed in Emma's mind for the rest of the chapter, and I think it's safe to conclude that Mrs. Weston knows intimately how her matching must have stirred Emma's emotions deeply. So when in chapter 15 Mrs. Weston still wouldn't relent from her theory, it's natural that she could expect a severe rebuke from Emma:
> "Well, Mrs. Weston," said Emma triumphantly when he left them, "what do you say now to Mr. Knightley's marrying Jane Fairfax?"
> "Why, really, dear Emma, I say that he is so very much occupied by the idea of not being in love with her, that I should not wonder if it were to end in his being so at last. Do not beat me."
The bouba/kiki effect, or kiki/bouba effect, is a non-arbitrary mental association between certain speech sounds and certain visual shapes. Most narrowly, it is the tendency for people, when presented with the nonsense words bouba and kiki , to associate bouba with a rounded shape and kiki with a spiky shape. Its discovery dates back to the 1920s, when psychologists documented experimental participants as connecting nonsense words to shapes in consistent ways. There is a strong general tendency towards the effect worldwide; it has been robustly confirmed across a majority of cultures and languages...
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@Xanne I've never read Arthashastra but what I'd vaguely heard and the wiki article makes it sound like much broader than the Art of War. So I guess with your eyes squinting, that GPT summary sounds about right.
 
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question (92): I LOST MY CRYPTOCURRENCY, HOW DO I RECOVER IT BACK‭ by Chen Linlin‭ on english.SE
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@CowperKettle I had a chance to view the Gary Marcus video titled "When will the AI bubble burst?". My comments:
1) that title is extremely misleading. The idea of an AI tech bubble only came up in one of the questions after the talk. Very annoying.
2) most of the talk was (very consciously) a repeat of a talk from three years prior, with some minor updates. And the talk was very conscious of the amazing things that have happened in those past three years and still it didn't really affect his predictions much.
3) he's tone is always very pessimistic
4) his intro was very petty and self aggrandizing.
5) but most of the things he says are the case.
@Mitch Sounds really annoying.
As to the follow up question about a bubble popping and the next AI winter, he wasn't so pessimistic as he could have been, but he admits there will be a lot of small AI companies that will fail because LLMs a just not very reliable. And I agree with that.
@Cerberus yes. He does it for a couple minutes right at the beginning.
Also sprinkled about the talk "{some random observation} ... which I was the first one to fore see in my book blah blah .."
I find hype/lying to sell things much more annoying
I tend to think of his 'priority' statements as defense of emotional vulnerability and so a little forgiveable, but it looks gross.
Having a stain on you clothes is gross. Causing a stain on someone else's is grosser
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Mauvaise fenêtre...
Fate says no no, this is the Right Window.
Ducunt volentem fata, nolentem trahunt.
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> "Israeli airstrikes have left 42 million tons of rubble in Gaza… That’s enough debris to fill a garbage truck line stretching from New York to Singapore. Cleaning it up would take years and cost $700 million." bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-gaza-who-will-pay-to-rebuild
@Mitch Yes :)
Word of the day: aircrafts. The nonstandard regularized plural has shown up in news articles, even one from the Times's "The Athletic." Ngram suggests it may be catching on, though it's still very rare.
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Or, to take an example from CNN:
> Boeing faces scrutiny over the safety of its aircrafts after an Alaska Airlines flight was forced to make an emergency landing Friday when a panel and window blew out.
that just looks wrong.
how long before "aircraftses" ?
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Who are we to provide advices to CNN? Let it be aircrafts.

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