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00:33
@Robusto If Trump suddenly achieves enlightement, what poem would he write?
@CowperKettle I think the world is safe from whatever poem that would be.
No more covfefe in the pail!
Global warming..
00:51
They say Hong Kong has humidity at 100% nowadays.
No more water in the pail! All water is in the air!
And a meteorologist from Hong Kong achieved enlightement.
Word of the day: afterdrop. "A continued cooling of core temperature during the initial stages of rewarming from hypothermia."
01:41
@DannyuNDos The humidity here is currently 99%. Have I complained about our awful weather recently?
@Mitch I'm pretty sure the treatment for OCD doesn't cease just because they're not admitted to the hospital
02:07
@M.A.R. Presumably she was in outpatient treatment, but strictly speaking "out of inpatient treatment" could mean she wasn't receiving any treatment at all.
02:41
@Araucaria-Him 1) Question Time is awesome. I've seen it a couple times. The people ask interesting and insightful questions, and the panel members you can tell when they're answering earnestly, lying/politicking or saying nothing at all
2) I wasn't thinking of the weird British refugee 'silution' (which sounds ludicrous).
@alphabet yeah that's what I meant. The original statement is vague. Though of course it's not like she had prepared a speech or something
3) I didn't know there are wars going on between Rwanda and neighbors. I had read recently that the country had progressed a lot since the genocide 30 years ago and that's all I know.
@M.A.R. I was only saying what I thought the original English said, but it seemed unlikely that that was what was meant. Maybe she meant she was -in- 9 years of -out- patient treatment? I don't know what happened
@alphabet I don't think the US had anything substantive to do with it.
Google tells me the news reports say 'internal armed conflict' caused by 'structural exclusion of indigenous peoples'
 
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03:57
> B. B. « Personne ne se rend compte que certaines personnes dépensent une force herculéenne pour être seulement normales. »
04:28
C'est vrai, sans doute.
 
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06:17
@Mitch no no, she definitely meant she had spent 9 years in hospitals
 
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08:34
Word of the day: a step in the processing of cotton or the dressing of flax or hemp in preparation for spinning. This step separates the impurities from the raw material, such as the seeds from raw cotton or the straw and woody stem from flax fibers.
> What did Einstein use to smash up all of his hip hop records?
An MC Hammer.
09:13
The tautological statement of the day:
> President Biden: "Nowhere else on Earth could a kid with a stutter — from modest beginnings in Scranton, Pennsylvania and Claymont, Delaware — one day sit behind the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office as President of United States. But here I am."
1) A kid even without a stutter, born "anywhere else on Earth" has zero legal changes of becoming a US President.
2) A kid from modest beginnings in those two US states cannot sit behind the Resolute Desk as a US President "anywhere else on Earth" because the desk exists only in the US.
10:12
@CowperKettle the #1 safest political statement in US politics is always something about American exceptionalism
It's funny to see other politicians try to emulate it and fail because when you're not as brazen about it as a US politician, it gets awkward.
10:31
@Mitch Sorry, Mitch. Seems I got the wrong end of the stick. "Rwanda" in the UK is synonymous with this colossal gaslighting of the public by the last government.
 
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11:31
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13:02
^ The actual title of a new scientific paper. Someday science will fully recognize our superior intellect.
> Among urban mammals, raccoons stand out for their widespread distribution and local adaptability [47], robust neuronal density [48] and extractive foraging skills [49]. These traits are generally associated with cognitive ability [50,51] and probably help to explain the raccoon’s successful persistence in urban habitats.
> Indeed, the heightened ability of raccoons to capitalize on abundant, clumped anthropogenic resources likely contributes to the strikingly high densities and aggregations of raccoons in cities [52].
It's not "stealing trash." It's "capitalizing on abundant, clumped anthropogenic resources."
It's how we demonstrate our "extractive foraging skills."
Thanks to our "robust neuronal density."
13:56
Wordle 1,132 4/6

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@jlliagre @Cerberus I grow weary of WhenTaken.
Too much work.
14:16
@M.A.R. Well, there you go, that's her OCD symptom, always having to go to the hospital.
@M.A.R. I don't think of that as explicitly 'American Exceptionalism' (ie things that Americans are proud to be different from other countries)... it's more of American provincialism, ie not that we're the only country in the world but, with the slight awareness that other countries exist, what Americans do must be myopically the right and best way to do it because it's what they do. WHat's the word for that? It's nearby to provincialism. Chauvinism? Some-other-ism?
And that's not specific to Americans (though we're the best at it!)
Childish? Juvenile? Immature? (those aren't exactly it but they're nearby)
myopic -and- self-aggrandizing? Delusions of grandeur (which, for the moment aren't totally delusions, but hey look at the stats, we're quite behind in many).
@CowperKettle If most of us weren't trying hard to put on a mask or control our urges, things would fall apart pretty quickly.
Like if I ordered french fries and you ordered onion rings, I do absolutely everything in my power to not knock you out and take all you onion rings.
"Do you mind if I have one of your onion rings? I could trade some of my fries for one of yours" really means "I will smash your face in and take what is rightfully mine, and you'll be happy to pay for all of it!"
Did I mention that I think onion rings are awesome?
@Robusto @Araucaria-Him Great timing! This just showed up: article on AI interviewing
14:56
@Mitch They shoulda titled it Interview With a Vampire. Oh wait, that's already been used. Well, that won't prevent them from using it anyway.
15:07
@CowperKettle You missed the pragmatics and tone of that statement.
 
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16:13
@Robusto Too bad, today's one is great. I scored 922 without Google.
I would have had about 50 more should I have used it or trust my first idea.
16:48
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@Lambie Yes.
@jlliagre You lost a club member.
@Vikas Sad
"If everything on the road of life seems to be coming your way, you're in the wrong lane."
So I'm in the right lane but it still sucks!
16:53
@Robusto Alas.
I have only done it a few times.
There should be only three images.
@Mitch It does seem typical of America, though.
It's +15C and rain.
Tomorrow, the same, only with more rain and with +13C
Is that cool or warm for you?
17:11
@Cerberus yes typical, but American Exceptionalism seems ... I dunno
Then again I have a list of a bunch of things that make America exceptional (even though that is not exactly what 'American Exceptionalism' is supposed to mean)
1- price of health care
2-price of housing?
@Vikas Try the left lane.
3-price of tertiary education
4-some other 4th thing about prices that other countries just don't have as bad
5-gun laws
I had a much longer.list somewhere
Looking at what I just listed... There are a lot of countries with the same problems but they are mostly developing nations
17:26
okay, I'm trying it once. How did I do.
#WhenTaken #149 (25.07.2024)

I scored 749/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 2 km - 🗓️ 15 yrs - ⚡ 170 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 5690 km - 🗓️ 43 yrs - ⚡ 17 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 1 km - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 198 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 374 km - 🗓️ 6 yrs - ⚡ 181 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 214 km - 🗓️ 7 yrs - ⚡ 183 / 200

https://whentaken.com
is that average, or really shitty? because it's not good.
17:38
@Mitch What does this mean?
@Mitch It is not really exceptionalism, but rather a kind of ignorance of the world.
@Mitch According to Wikipedia:
Present company excepted, of course.
@MetaEd I wil do it too. Your guesses look good! Except the second one.
> One of the world's most developed countries, the United States has had the largest nominal GDP since about 1890 and accounted for 15% of the global economy in 2023.
> It possesses by far the largest amount of wealth of any country and has the highest disposable household income per capita among OECD countries.
> The U.S. ranks among the world's highest in human rights, economic competitiveness, productivity, innovation, and higher education. Its hard power and cultural influence have a global reach
> The U.S. ranks among the world's highest in human rights, economic competitiveness, productivity, innovation, and higher education. Its hard power and cultural influence have a global reach.
@alphabet How is "disposable household income" calculated?
Because other countries have a higher GDP per capita.
Does seem kinda exceptional to me.
17:41
Within rich countries, it scores fairly poorly on many things.
Not exactly sure why they would use that uncommon measurement.
Nor exactly how it is calculated.
But in most other rich countries you don't lose as much of your income on education, healthcare, insurance, travel costs, etc.
@Cerberus According to Gallup, America is 6th out of 131 countries in terms of median income.
Not to be the most stereotypically annoying American in existence or anything.
Yeah not in the top of rich countries.
At any rate, there are a ton of different number you could take.
GDP per year per capita, per hour per capita, median, per household, money left after paying for essential life costs, etc.
Endless combinations.
18:00
Note that the countries beating the US have much smaller populations; combined, they're about a tenth the size of the US. The situation in terms of annual GDP per capita is about the same.
18:13
We have more poverty, because we don't provide for our citizens.
18:31
@jlliagre Fine, I accepted the challenge.
#WhenTaken #149 (25.07.2024)

I scored 946/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 195 km - 🗓️ 6 yrs - ⚡ 186 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 511.9 metres - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 197 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 9 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 200 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 45 km - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 195 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 45 km - 🗓️ 15 yrs - ⚡ 168 / 200

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Musta got really lucky, because I googled nothing.
18:45
@Robusto According to these data at the $6.85 threshold, the US is 23rd out of 169--far from the highest, but ahead of (say) Sweden.
@alphabet I'm not sure what this is a response to.
@Robusto Your claim that "we have more poverty." Of course, this is so dependent on methodology that you can prove pretty much anything in this regard.
@alphabet I don't know what "the $6.85 threshold" means.
@Robusto The % of the population living on less than $6.25 a day.
If you have a methodology you like better, I'm sure you can produce alternative data.
There are many ways to measure poverty. One is people who can't afford medical care or who have lost all their savings due to catastrophic medical bills. Other developed countries have national health care.
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18:52
@Robusto Sure. If you cherry-pick the metrics where America is the worst, then by those metrics America is the worst.
@alphabet What does $6.85 even mean? Nothing, because it's cherry-picking a single metric.
In any case, it was an offhand, generalized comment I made. I didn't expect it to be accurate to six decimal places. If you want to nitpick, go ahead. I will not engage you.
Pete Buttigieg for VP.
Once again there are no raccoons under consideration.
Maybe Pete Buttigieg is a raccoon.
His shit is so tight the Republicans can't bamboozle him or shout him down.
@alphabet Exactly.
@alphabet I think healthcare is not cherry-picking.
19:16
#WhenTaken #150 (26.07.2024)

I scored 954/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 37.5 metres - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 197 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 222.1 metres - 🗓️ 9 yrs - ⚡ 187 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 52.4 metres - 🗓️ 12 yrs - ⚡ 179 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 1 km - 🗓️ 7 yrs - ⚡ 191 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 147.5 metres - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 200 / 200

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I do better when I cheat.
Cheating is harder than you might think. Some of these structures don't even exist today.
It would still be hard to get 1000 / 1000.
@MetaEd The secret to a healthy marriage.
@Robusto I predict he'll be called a "groomer."
@alphabet uh ...
19:22
@MetaEd Well done.
How did you cheat?
@Cerberus First, of course I played tomorrow's puzzle today.
@Cerberus but also I used image searches
How?
@Cerberus That would be telling.
19:23
Image searches of the photos you are supposed to guess?
Right. Clearly cheating.
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#WhenTaken #149 (25.07.2024)

I scored 922/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 5 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 2403 km - 🗓️ 8 yrs - ⚡ 135 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 1 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 174 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 193 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 24 km - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 196 / 200

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And that helps sometimes. Some of the images are in governmental collections or public domain collections.
jlliagre though, probably is a robot
Yeah, that makes it too easy.
The internet is a crutch making the whole world crippled.
19:25
@Cerberus sort of. I can't talk about what I ran into using image search, because spoilers. After all I'd be talking about tomorrow's puzzle today.
@user20458579510081670432 Naah.
The Internet means I don't believe something patently false for thirty years because my parents told me it was true. It makes me smarter.
@MetaEd What's wrong being a robot?
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@jlliagre are you going to watch the opening ceremony tomorrow?
Let each man play the game as he likes!
19:42
True that.
@user20458579510081670432 I won't be there, I'll probably watch it on TV.
I'm glad getting #4 year exactly right.
19:59
@alphabet says nothing about kids with stutter living on the border of two states being elected for president.
@jlliagre I was off by 3, but that's not bad.
I'm surprised I got a perfect score on #3.
Anyway during Raisi's term 'Iranian exceptionalism' skyrocketed in Iranian media
Not even laughable, the sorts of things these people say sometimes
You know how someone is sometimes so far off they enter another mathematical dimension and you have no idea how to respond to them, with rage or snark or laughter? Yeah
@user20458579510081670432 it doesn't seem to have crippled you as you wouldn't otherwise have been able to tell us that it's crippled you
@Robusto I thought you were tired of WhenTaken? That sweet dopamine didn't let you huh
I never took to WhenTaken
Since there's more than one way to play it, more than one set of rules to abide by
@M.A.R. It's surprising how much of my life has been dictated by dopamine.
Too inconsistent for my tastes
@Robusto maybe you're just honest about your reward centers and we're not
@M.A.R. This is why I was a good programmer. Solving puzzles boosts my dopamine levels into the stratosphere.
20:09
@jlliagre did I chide you for being a robot? It's a compliment -- you are a machine
@user20458579510081670432 You should have chosen 2.71828 as your user number. Then you could have known your limits.
@Robusto whenever I hear the word "programmer" I have a passing urge to go back to getting properly good at R or Python.
. . . Phew, it passed.
@M.A.R. My son has to use R all the time in his job as a cancer researcher. He's not in love with it, but it does the job.
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20:36
So consider these two sentences:
1. You've got a car, don't you?
2. You've got a car, haven't you?
To me, (2) sounds ungrammatical; only (1) is correct.
But apparently the usage in (1) is largely restricted to American English, a relatively recent development, and historically considered nonstandard.
Of course in a main clause "Haven't you got a car?" is much more common than "Don't you got a car?" and the latter is considered very informal/nonstandard.
@alphabet But that measure is just silly, as it's just tied to the exchange rate. $6.85 will buy you laods more in one place than another by factors not percentages.
@Araucaria-Him That's adjusted for purchasing power parity.
Granted, those adjustments are themselves imperfect.
21:13
@alphabet English has two simple present tenses for have: have and have got. So, the auxiliaries are do and have. You take it or leave it, but it is a fact.
21:27
@M.A.R. I don't get it.
@M.A.R. everybody has some weird sense of pride about where they were born.
But yeah some places have that vibe a little more than others (US, England, France, Iran, China, Japan,.. cripes I'm gonna end up listing all countries.
The Germans tie themselves into anxious knots trying to deny it.
But they are currently very low in 'exceptionalisn'
@Lambie If "have got" was a simple present tense verb, the question form would be either "Have got you a car?" or "Do you have got a car?", which are both incorrect.
Likewise, if "do" were the auxiliary used with "have got," the negative form of "I've got a car" would be "I don't have got a car."
Sorry, I misstated that--I meant: if "have got" was a simple present non-auxiliary verb like "have," the negative form would be "I don't have got a car," just like how (in AmE) we say "I don't have a car" rather than "I haven't a car."
21:45
American exceptionalism is the belief that the United States is either distinctive, unique, or exemplary compared to other nations. Proponents argue that the values, political system, and historical development of the U.S. are unique in human history, often with the implication that it is both destined and entitled to play a distinct and positive role on the world stage. It originates in the observations and writings of French political scientist and historian Alexis de Tocqueville, most notably in his comparison of the United States with Great Britain and his native France. Tocqueville was the...
So that phrasing means something particular, which is Americans thinking they are exceptional (even though the article says de Tocwueville originated the concept).
Only in America do people routinely refer to the President as the "leader of the free world."
At least I don't think they do that anywhere else.
But the US is exceptional, or rather an outlier, among WEIRD nations (western educated industrial, uh... Something that starts with 'r', and democratic?)
Rich?
Yes WEIRD is for individuals participating in psych experiments (also US = Undergraduate Student in Psychology)
But the acronym works for nations too (I think)
@alphabet yeah that should go on the list but it's a bit... loose
There are lots of petty things like one of the few countries not on the metric system, or still on 8 1/2 x 11 paper or the insane MM/DD/YYYY
the road sign system
Clothing sizes
22:28
@Mitch If anyone proposed switching to standard paper sizes, I'm pretty sure they'd be accused of being part of a plot by a cabal of evil globalists to undermine America and our precious freedoms.
I heard one YouTuber half-jokingly refer to the imperial system as "freedom units."
Can we just tack onto the Bill of Rights some extra freedoms so we can claim to have more of them?
I'd like the right to steal from people who deserve it.
Also the right to possess nuclear weapons. If the government can have 'em, so can I.
22:45
@Robusto You probably recognized one guy but I didn't. Spoiler
22:59
@jlliagre Yeah, I didn't see that. But I did recognize one kind of important guy.
23:15
Yesterday's. Second photo.
I am using Google.
But not using any image from the actual photo.
The third one is incredibly easy!
Hmm but I was 11 years off.
23:34
@alphabet have got: Have you got a car? I haven't got a car. Have: Do you have a car? I don't have a car. There are two forms. Those are they. Like or lump it. Now, you can say whatever you like that is not standard. Tons of people do. Have you got a car? is what is behind the famous slogan: Got milk? And to ape spoken utterances, people write: gotta, for I've got. I've gotta go. For example. I've gotta car.
@alphabet "Have got" does sound American to me.
> You have a car, haven't you?
23:50
@Cerberus You have got to be kidding.
I haven't!
#WhenTaken #149 (25.07.2024)

I scored 934/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 4.2 metres - 🗓️ 7 yrs - ⚡ 191 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 49.0 metres - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 200 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 11.6 metres - 🗓️ 11 yrs - ⚡ 182 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 184 km - 🗓️ 14 yrs - ⚡ 166 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 19.8 metres - 🗓️ 5 yrs - ⚡ 195 / 200

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@alphabet No, plenty of other nationalities do refer to POTUS as the "leader of the free world."
@jlliagre Did you use Google for this one?
@Robusto Umm I cannot imagine anyone ever saying that.
Except in an attempt to sound America.
@Cerberus Easy, now, I'm just baiting the raccoon.
Tsk!
23:56
@Cerberus I didn't. I would have scored about 50 points more if I'd used it or trusted my first idea.
have got is not American. It's all varieties of English: dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/… Have got and have mean the same. Have got is more informal. We use have (got) here to refer to both verbs:
@jlliagre You're much better with the years.
@Lambie Only because it has spread from America.
It's all varieties of English and in fact, lots of people mistakenly say it's British. have got is just more informal than have.
@Cerberus See my spoiler up there about #4 year.

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