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@Mitch I think what he did was very mainstream.
Mostly support Israel but also be critical of its bombing civilians.
@Mitch I think the most thoughtful critique of his actions is Thomas Friedman's: nytimes.com/2024/04/10/opinion/israel-hamas-gaza.html
@Cerberus What he did was fairly mainstream in the sense that it likely matched public opinion. But the American media has long had a strong bias in favor of Israel--this article gives some data--meaning that people get a very skewed picture.
@alphabet Yes, of course, what else would mainstream mean?
Perhaps a bit to the 'left' of mainstream amongst politicians?
@Cerberus I was just a bit surprised that you of all people would try to justify his actions on the basis that they were popular.
Justify?
Where did you see that?
@Cerberus There's a massive generational split on the issue, with young voters favoring Palestinians much more than older ones. I seem to recall a poll saying that opinions on Biden's response varied widely by age.
00:16
Yes.
But you replied to a message about politicians?
I suspect that this is partly because the media used to be even worse, meaning that some people in older generations got what was, essentially, unfiltered Israeli military propaganda.
Quiet possibly, and also because Christians are always very pro-Israel.
And Christians are old.
It depends. Historically American Christians were often virulently antisemitic; their support for Israel ultimately came about for political reasons.
That is probably older?
In modern times, Christians want the sacred sites in Israel be in the hands of non-Muslims.
I would go a bit beyond Friedman, in saying that Israel's actions often seem designed as a campaign of collective punishment; the campaign has caused an unusually large amount of destruction while doing fairly little to improve Israeli security.
The case South Africa filed with the ICJ--you can read it in full here--makes, I think, a fairly persuasive (if imperfect) case that Israel's actions constitute a violation of the Genocide Convention. Whether it meets your personal definition of genocide is another question.
00:32
@alphabet Perhaps so.
I think Israel should remove all settlements from the West Bank, and stop oppressing Palestinians.
In my view, this most closely resembles the Holodomor: a humanitarian crisis pointedly neglected, if not intentionally exacerbated, to force a population into submission. The Holodomor has widely been called a genocide--though this has been quite controversial--but I think that it's reasonable to put Israel's mass destruction of life and property, and its stonewalling of humanitarian aid, in the same category.
Failing that, however, I'm not sure what else Israel could do to counter Hamas except this disproportional massacre. As to whether it will help, I'm not sure.
@Cerberus I see no way this will help, and frankly I don't think Israeli leadership has that figured out either; this seems driven more by anger directed at Gaza's civilian population, an attitude very common in Israel to a deeply disturbing degree.
@alphabet Three to five million people died in the Holodomor. That is not at all comparable to Gaza, in my opinion.
@alphabet The problem is that Israel's purported reasons for the bombardments can be understood as serving to counter Hamas, not the people of Gaza on purpose.
@alphabet Perhaps so.
Alternatively: Israeli leadership does have a plan for Gaza, but that plan is so monstrous that they don't want to reveal it until it's too late for anyone to prevent it.
00:40
They may think that destroying many members of Hamas and their military infrastructure, including their tunnels and their headquarters beneath hospitals and everything, will make it much harder for them to field military operations against Israel in the intermediate future.
@alphabet Some ministers do...
@Cerberus At the very least Israel seems to have a reckless disregard for Palestinian lives; their response is to take the rather absurd position that, when a bombing kills civilians, it's not the fault of the people dropping the bombs.
The problem with Biden is that he seems content to fund, guide, and co-sign Netanyahu's alleged crimes--remember, the guy has an outstanding arrest warrant from the ICC--without any substantial opposition.
@alphabet This is an example of the "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" trope. Basically, Israel has only one solution to aggression: hit back harder. And when that fails, harder still. There is no other tool that comes to hand.
@alphabet Indeed.
The reason for the left-wing vitriol against Biden is that people can see the horrific injuries, deaths, and mass displacements Israel has inflicted on an already suffering population, and it's hard to find any way of seeing those as anything but pointless atrocities.
The Oct 7th attacks and the Israeli invasion were, of course, part of the long-standing cycle of atrocities and counter-atrocities both sides have committed over the years. But the Israeli invasion has taken far more lives.
@Cerberus @alphabet thank you both for responding substantively
00:50
@alphabet Yes.
It is hopeless.
I will say things before reading the Friedman article
There are some on the Left who, wanting to stand with an oppressed population, have decided that they are on the same side as Hamas and insist on defending them. I can understand why people feel driven to take that position, and why people might think that the IDF is even worse. But Hamas is a violent antisemitic terrorist group and whataboutism is an extremely dangerous game.
I think it is (or should be) obvious to everyone, that the actions on 10/7 were abhorrent, and at the same time the Israeli response is, if not actual genocide, has lots of similarities.
Needless to say, if Biden were spending billions funding Hamas and giving them fighter jets and 2,000-pound bombs, I would oppose that also.
Or the killings are of different kinds, both quantitatively and qualitatively
00:53
@alphabet You mean the Israeli army.
I agree about the rest.
And I don't know what Israel should do instead (but they should stop it anyway)
Israel has brought itself into this impossible situation.
@Cerberus We've had this dispute before. I suppose technically I should say "The Al-Qassam Brigades"--Hamas's military, such as it is--if I want to compare them.
You don't need to!
Just say Hamas, or the Hamas army, or Hamas fighters.
But Biden has been vilified...but I'm not sure why
He didn't order the killings.
Yes I realize I'm being simplistic.
00:57
My view is that Biden's conduct, regardless of its popularity, has been morally indefensible and far below the standards to which a president should be held.
But then so are the reactions.
@alphabet what exactly has been his conduct?
That's what I don't know.
The American and Israeli armies have long had a very close relationship that gives America a massive amount of leverage in this situation. But Biden won't use it; he seems to have seen Netanyahu as a personal friend and to have deferred to the more hawkish elements of the foreign policy establishment.
@alphabet Why do you say that?
He has deferred to the mainstream in society and the centre-left among politicians, I would say.
@Cerberus Which part of my comment were you responding to?
The final infinitive plus its arguments.
01:03
@alphabet so is the primary complaint is that Biden has been too deferential to Israel? That seems a good complaint to have but not indefensible
@alphabet When measured in percentage of population, more people died in Kazakhstan from famine during the same time as Holodomor. Stalin's forced collectivization of farming led to deaths everywhere - it was not an attack on some specific nationality
Also I didn't know that Biden had a personal connection with Netanyahu.
The Kazakh famine of 1930–1933, also known as the Asharshylyk, was a famine during which approximately 1.5 million people died in the Kazakh Autonomous Socialist Soviet Republic, then part of the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic in the Soviet Union, of whom 1.3 million were ethnic Kazakhs. An estimated 38 to 42 percent of all Kazakhs died, the highest percentage of any ethnic group killed by the Soviet famine of 1930–1933. Other research estimates that as many as 2.3 million died. A committee created by the Kazakhstan parliament chaired by Historian Manash Kozybayev concluded that the...
> An estimated 38[4][9] to 42[10] percent of all Kazakhs died, the highest percentage of any ethnic group killed by the Soviet famine of 1930–1933.
@Cerberus I think his administration's policies have long been aligned with the so-called "Blob" in Washington.
@CowperKettle Indeed, hence the classification being a longstanding controversy.
In 1928, Stalin took a trip to Siberia to talk to farmers about collectivization, and they let him know that they cared not an f. about it. He hated small farmers because they were independent.
01:08
@Mitch To quote Nicholas Kristof: "when an American-made aircraft drops an American-made bomb on an American aid group in an American-supported war, how can that not come back to Biden?"
> Davon entfallen über 3.500.000 auf die Ukraine,[3] über 3.000.000 auf Russland,[3] und über 1.200.000 auf Kasachstan.[4][5]
> I have seen several dozen of your prosecuting and judicial officials. Nearly all of them live in the homes of kulaks, board and lodge with them, and, of course, they are anxious to live in peace with the kulaks. In reply to my question, they said that the kulaks' homes are cleaner, and the food there is better. marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1928/01/x01.htm
@CowperKettle I see on Wikipaedia that there is debate about that.
(His speech after a trip to Siberia)
@alphabet That is not a kind way to speak of Pelosi's botox.
01:11
So it was not his specific hatred towards Ukrainians. He had the idea brewing long before that.
@CowperKettle Well, historians have researched this issue extensively.
And I do not think there is consensus corresponding to your point of view.
@alphabet of course Biden should be doing more to hold Israel back, but the strength of animosity towards him for that weakness seems too much
I listened to two biographies of Stalin. He had no ideas about one nation being superior or infeior.
He just felt Ukraine and Kazachstan were simply Russia, probably?
Yes.
They were simply USSR
He was a Georgian
He spoke and wrote in perfect literary Georgian
Composed poems in Georgian, even, and these were printed even before he was famous
01:16
@Cerberus It's been hopeless for decades now. And will continue in that way.
Ok now off to read Friedman
Even though sometimes he sounds like a horses patoot
@Mitch To put it a bit more bluntly: Biden's funded a campaign that's confirmed to have killed about 7,800 children, often in incredibly awful ways. He is to no small extent responsible for those deaths.
The Holodomor, also known as the Ukrainian Famine, was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. The Holodomor was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1930–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the Soviet Union. While scholars are in consensus that the cause of the famine was man-made, whether the Holodomor was directed at Ukrainians, or whether it constitutes a genocide, remain in dispute. Some historians conclude that the famine was deliberately engineered by Joseph Stalin to eliminate a Ukrainian independence movement. Others suggest...
@CowperKettle So there is a lot of debate about the intentionality. No consensus.
Probably part of it was unintentional, but partly it was exacerbated by extra stringent measures taken specifically in Ukraine.
@alphabet Friedman says a lot of smart things there
One thing though that people keep assuming that just isn't the case.
There are no more hostages alive.
(I can't think of any reason why they could be alive)
@Mitch Indeed. I think he's right about this campaign being against Israel's interest, though I think he's too lenient on Israel over the killings of civilians, and he's said a lot of uncomfortably nice things about the Saudi monarchy.
@Mitch Dead hostages aren't worth very much. Haaretz says that 135 hostages have been returned, 44 have been declared dead, and 76 are (so far as we know) still alive.
Realistically, Israel won't get those hostages back through force of arms, but only through a negotiated agreement. If they'd have come to that realization earlier, most of those lives would have been saved.
01:31
@alphabet the hostages are one of the bargaining points mentioned by most people. Presumably that assumes they are still alive. And its be an anti-bargaining point once everybody realizes this (more self-justification by Israel)
'so far as we know' - I don't -know- things but thinking things out I expect that there are much fewer than that 76 still alive (if any)
While nobody can justify the taking of hostages, it is worth noting that Israel has long held a huge number of Palestinian prisoners without trial, even in the absence of any clear evidence against them; many of their prisoners have been subjected to brutal acts of torture and sexual violence. Exchanging them seems like a fair deal.
I think Israel should never have come into existence as an independent state there.
@alphabet yes. How Israel is treating these people is awful.
It would have saved sooo many people sooo much trouble.
At the very least, it seems that a number of those prisoners should be released anyway, and should have been released before 10/7; if Israel can also get its hostages back in return, releasing them seems like an obviously good choice.
01:35
Palestine was the most logical choice.
@alphabet yeah I'm not being partisan about the meaning of the hostages, I'm just saying it's gonna suck for everybody when the realization happens
The reports from the ISW, which is generally very pro-Israel, paint a fairly bleak portrait of how the campaign is going:
> The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) 98th Division launched a new clearing operation in Khan Younis [...] Approximately 400,000 civilians reside in the areas identified under the new evacuation orders. [...] The IDF reported that Hamas fighters had infiltrated into previously cleared areas of Khan Younis and had re-established militia infrastructure in the area.
So they destroyed 80% of the buildings in that city, announced that they'd "cleared" it, and now Hamas is...back and still operating. Their plan is to, once again, displace a massive number of civilians.
Why do I think that they'll cause even more destruction, say that it's been "cleared" yet again, and then find that Hamas is still there? Incidentally Sinwar is allegedly hiding in tunnels somewhere deep underground in that "cleared" city.
One thing to note: civilian casualty numbers are reported by Hamas. So do we have any idea how many have actually died?
@Cerberus The casualty numbers are generally considered reliable by most international organizations; in areas with functioning hospitals, they're based directly on hospital death records, which are almost certainly a massive undercount.
@alphabet I'm not so sure about that?
I haven't seen a real calculation.
Remember also that many hospital directors are part of Hamas.
01:51
@alphabet funded? Did he push for Congress to give extra money (or arms) to Israel because of 10/7?
@Cerberus Hamas is Gaza's government, so unfortunately any organization there is going to end up entangled with it. Hence the scandal around UNRWA.
I think there were arms/money deals that were let continue to go through but we're initiated before 10/7.
It would have been nice if Biden had tried to slow or stop those, but if the deal had already been made, that's the deal
@alphabet And what does that mean for the reliability of casualty reports?
@Mitch Yes, across several bills, including one back in April. More to the point, the President gets to decide most of the details on the timing and nature of that aid. (This is why Trump was able to threaten Zelenskyy with withholding military aid in the incident that lead to his first impeachment.)
@Cerberus it'd be nice to have accurate death reports but divided by ten non-combatants is still too much
01:56
@Cerberus I was just pointing out that it's not like you can have some sort of organization completely independent of Hamas to track deaths more reliably.
But from Wikipedia:
@Mitch What do you mean?
@alphabet ok then that's not very good
@alphabet I know.
> Historically, the US State Department has relied on the [Gaza Health Ministry] data for its annual human rights reports. [...] However, the US Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs said that actual death toll could be "even higher" than what the GHM reported. On 10 November 2023, the Wall Street Journal reported that the US intelligence community has growing confidence that death toll reports from the Gaza Health Ministry are roughly accurate.
Pretty obvious.
@alphabet Hmm and why would they think that those numbers are accurate, when Hamas has every incentive to increase them?
01:57
@Cerberus you're concerned that Palestinian authorities in Gaza are over reporting deaths, right?
@Mitch Yes, but why do you not say Hamas?
The Palestinian Authority has no power in Gaza.
If so, I am saying that even if they are multiplying casualties by 10, the numbers are awful already.
Sure.
@Cerberus I don't know that the hospital authorities are Hamas.
I believe they often are?
02:00
@Mitch In particular, Biden has constantly put strict conditions on aid to Ukraine, primarily to reduce the risk of creating an escalated conflict with Russia; he even had American weapons modified so that they couldn't be used to shoot longer-range missiles (this involved modifications to HIMARS systems to prevent the use of acquired ATACMS missiles).
@Mitch Besides, the numbers reported in newspapers are quoted as being "from the Gazam Ministry of Health", which is Hamas.
@Cerberus I used lower case. The authorities ithat are Palestinian in Gaza. And the might be government official (Hamas) or just hospital administrators
He could easily put conditions on Israel's use of weapons in Gaza, or provide weapons less useful for these sorts of campaigns, or delay/withhold the aid altogether in various ways, or just not push Congress to sign bills with that level of funding.
@Cerberus Presumably Hamas allows them some level of independence, enough that third parties (NGOs, the UN, at times the American and even Israeli governments) have generally found them credible.
@alphabet I'm not defending the scale of Israel's response - but 10/7 was 9/11 for Israel and Israel is a diplomatic ally of the US so the US is obligated to aid them. There's a big precedent in foreign relations that you try to aid allies.
@alphabet ok. Yes.
@Mitch Israel doesn't have a mutual defense treaty with the US; it's not like NATO where there's a treaty requiring the US to come to Israel's aid. One can argue that America's reliance with Israel has provided much greater benefits to Israel than to America, and that it may not be worth maintaining such a complete alliance, especially given Israel's current leadership.
02:13
@alphabet I don't know. Again, hospital directors are generally Hamas officers, I believe. And now it is war, so Hamas may report differently how they used to report at peace.
In particular, the US-Israel alliance has earned the US a great deal of animosity in the region, including...helping to motivate the 9/11 attacks. (See also this article in Current Affairs.)
Continuing this alliance in its current form doesn't seem to be too helpful to the US.
In the region: in the world.
I'm obviously not saying that the US should switch to supporting Hamas. But I think that the American government should not hesitate to censure Netanyahu's efforts to undermine the peace process.
02:31
Yeah.
But everyone expected the American government to act just as it did.
So no surprises there.
02:49
@Cerberus I think most of Biden's 2016 primary opponents would have handled this better than he did. Even Obama had a far more contentious relationship with Netanyahu.
After all, at least as of March, 55% of the public, and 85% of Democrats, disapproved of Israel's campaign in Gaza. He's pretty clearly to the right of the majority of the party on this one.
03:14
@alphabet Hmm you really think so?
To use, Biden's approach seemed very standard American.
@alphabet I think Western politicians are always to the right of the general public with respect to Israel. So mainstream for politicians.
@Cerberus Hard to say with any certainty. But on most issues, Biden is at least somewhat to the left of the average voter.
Besides, disapproving of a campaign doesn't tell us exactly what the public wants Biden to do?
@Cerberus And much more common among people of Biden's age.
Right.
@Cerberus it's just something after the fact. The public is silent when Palestinians aren't being murdered on a daily basis, just when they hear about them. It's like disapproving of eating French fries after having a heart attack.
03:31
@Cerberus These polls do shift a lot depending on exactly how you word the question, granted.
@M.A.R. Yes, sure.
But what about it?
@Cerberus I'm saying it's just an anemic response from people with a short attention span who don't know what they want. That sounds cynical but I can tell because it has the same vague quality of how most of the Iranians are disappointed at the government's actions.
@M.A.R. Sure.
It's stripped of thought
But I said it because I didn't think that poll was entirely indicative of how people saw Biden's policy.
03:41
I dunno how people see it, but I only ever thought of two directions Biden might have gone, seeing Israel's ethnic cleansing. American leaders always either emphasize the importance of human rights and such, as a not-quite-jab at Israel, or give some speech horrifically devoid of emotion on brotherhood with Israel.
Biden mostly did the latter, not only in the beginning, when Hamas's crimes were in the highlights, but also ever since.
It's possible that in today's America's poisonous political climate, the issue is simply not too polarizing for most people to care about all that much.
They're led to believe that, say, immigration is deeply affected by the president they choose, even if the numbers don't show much of a change, but not foreign policy.
04:11
@Robusto Glad to know I'm among friends here. I'm also guilty of over-exploring. Is it safe to assume that the "Ladybird" brand is a lot bigger in the UK than in the US? Found this current Penguin UK The Ladybird Expert Series but no Foucault nor Nietzsche (yet?).
04:24
@GratefulDisciple I've never heard of it, so I'd assume it's more of a not-America thing.
04:34
@M.A.R. It's moreso that very few Americans are directly affected by the country's policies on Gaza, so it's never going to be a deciding factor in an election.
People will always care more about the economy, healthcare, crime, or whatever the current moral panic is.
04:53
@alphabet I suppose so. @Robusto Here's the Wikipedia entry on the book series which lays to rest my desire for further exploration.
05:04
@alphabet Hello, nice to see you. Can we talk a bit, please.
if possible, of course. If you don't mind.
@Alexander Not much, since it's 1:04 AM here.
Oh, seven-hour difference between us. Sorry, I never really remembered by heart which time is in Boston in reference to London. Perhaps UTC–4?? Or is it UTC–5.
UTC-4 this time of year.
Hmm, we are UTC+2, but in the summer we have UTC+3.
We = Moldova.
Does Boston have DST?
Yes, in the winter we're on UTC-5 and the sun sets at 4pm.
05:09
Oh, so it's vice versa. I thought you are UTC-4 in the winter and UTC-3 in the summer.
UTC-5 — New York;
UTC-6 — Chicago;
UTC-7 — Phoenix;
UTC-8 — Los Angeles;
UTC-9 — Alaska;
UTC-10 — Hawaii. Right?
In the United States, time is divided into nine standard time zones covering the states, territories and other US possessions, with most of the country observing daylight saving time (DST) for approximately the spring, summer, and fall months. The time zone boundaries and DST observance are regulated by the Department of Transportation, but no single map of those existed until the agency announced intentions to make one in September 2022. Official and highly precise timekeeping services (clocks) are provided by two federal agencies: the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) (an...
@Alexander Yes.
Though I think most of us just use the terms "Eastern Time," etc. rather than knowing the UTC offsets.
OK, thanks. Eastern Time. For some reason, I am bad in remembering this((
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vta6uXkieh8
The fact we can have Saturday, Sunday and Monday simultaneously makes me crazy/insane!
05:34
Oh, if the community permits me: can I also ask... does you week in the USA start with Sunday or Monday? I have had a conversation with an American woman a few years ago, and she told me it differs from person to person. E.g. she considers that a week starts on Sunday; her husband, on Monday.
In Russian language (in Russia, of course) the first day of any week is MONDAY. An absolute fact. Sunday is the last one.
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@Cerberus I scored 759 points at today's WhenTaken, playing strict rules (no googling or whatever assistance allowed).
10:37
@jlliagre Just a trial 😛
 
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@MetaEd I don't suppose you managed to snatch a copy by any chance? I thought I'd emailed it to myself but can't find it. It's been rightly deleted by a conscientious mod or something.
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@Vikas No hooked yet? :-)
It's hard unless you are more updated about history, culture, news, countries etc.
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@jlliagre No Googling either.
13:22
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@Robusto I'm sure you can: the last common ancestor of Spanish and Portuguese was considerably more recent than that of Spanish and Catalan, and by the time you go that far back you're in a river most of whose current flowed into another watershed altogether. An initial blind reading will take many false steps due to unfamiliarity with the feature set, but you do get more used to it over time. Did @jlliagre decode it for you yet?
Like most Romance branches outside Spanish and Portuguese, Catalan features locative and partitive pronouns, just as French does. So Catalan hi is French y, the locative pronoun.
Old Spanish still used those at times, but they're gone today.
And the first and second persons plural verbal endings are shorter than in Spanish; shortened, even. So he, has, ha, hem, heu, han. That's arguably an overall tendency in the language, one which yields more one-syllable words in Catalan than in Spanish.
Phonologically unstressed "e" is pronounced "a", which throws you off in writing but would not so in hearing: so singular la mirada becomes les mirades but sounds more like las miradas to you.
13:42
> Ha passat el que necessitam que passi: tornar cap a ca nostra més contents del que hi hem arribat.
Hi hem estat i les mirades i somriures còmplices han fet la resta. La Mallorca que m’agrada.
In IPA we'd write than with an inverted a, so /ɐ/. Which is not really like the schwa but is getting closer. Unstressed e's in Portuguese take a different route, one that tends towards the French "mute e" behavior in Portugal but towards /i/ in Brazil.
@jlliagre I never remember why it's la resta not el rest(o) there.
tornar cap somewhere is returning thither.
> Il est arrivé ce qui devait arriver, repartir chez nous plus contents que quand on est arrivé.
> On en est là et les regards et sourires complices on fait le reste.
> La Majorque qui me plaît.
You didn't like the locative pronoun? quand on y est arrivé?
Yes, but I wouldn't use it in French.
I hesitated on 'ca' but that can't be but 'casa'.
It's much easier to quickly translate written Catalan into French in your head than into English or even Spanish, just as it much easier to translate written Portuguese into Spanish than it is into English or even French.
Yes, it's casa nostra, apocopated.
13:47
Yes, not cosa nostra ;-)
heh
Not unless they live in Sicilia. Or maybe Sardinia.
The little word cap gets a great deal of use in Catalan.
@tchrist Chiefly Catalan.
That too.
> C'est un roc, c'est un pic, c'est un cap, que dis-je c'est un cap ? C'est une péninsule !
Capes and capos, chefs and chiefs. And towards.
Comes to a head.
13:53
Couvre-chef ➔ Handkerchief
Oh that's right, it's also a negative polarity item as a determiner.
Like any.
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They showed the English not the Catalan when they oneboxed it.
Caps quadrats.
They used to call the Germans that way in the seventies.
Blockheads.
"persona d'idees fixes"
#WhenTaken #147 (23.07.2024)

I scored 522/1000 🎉

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3️⃣ 📍 6327 km - 🗓️ 7 yrs - ⚡ 106 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 4635 km - 🗓️ 30 yrs - ⚡ 39 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 11831 km - 🗓️ 21 yrs - ⚡ 51 / 200

https://whentaken.com
@tchrist Almost literal French.
14:04
I was thinking the same thing.
@tchrist Second thought: Should hi needs to be kept, I would write: [...] que quand on est arrivé ici.
Ah, interesting.
Well, I'm not sure to fully understand where is hi.
It is their home or Mallorca?
"There", perhaps, more than "here"? As in to return home more content than when we got there?
Right.
Or elsewhere ?
Who is talking?
14:09
Us. Except at the end when it's just me.
Hmm, j'ai peur de ne pas m'être bien fait comprendre... :-)
Do we have a link from where these sentences come?
Ask @Robusto,
Il fait la grasse matinée.
@tchrist No visible Catalan on this page.
14:14
Isn't that the most curious thing!
That's where Google sent me when I search for the Catalan phrase.
Ah, it's in the source.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p dir="ltr" lang="ca" xml:lang="ca">Ha passat el que necessitam que passi: tornar cap a ca nostra més contents del que hi hem arribat.</p>
14:32
@Araucaria-Him I did snag copies. Post here?
#WhenTaken #147 (23.07.2024)

I scored 759/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 39.6 metres - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 1 km - 🗓️ 11 yrs - ⚡ 182 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 20.1 metres - 🗓️ 13 yrs - ⚡ 176 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 257 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 190 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 7074 km - 🗓️ 44 yrs - ⚡ 12 / 200

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@Robusto The last one killed me.
@Vikas You beat me on #5 :-)
Daily Octordle #911
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"The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up."
Daily Sequence Octordle #911
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Score: 60
14:49
Wordle 1,130 5/6

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Wordle 1,131 4/6

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@Robusto I never met a galette who didn't like crepes.
15:19
@jlliagre Very unpredictable.
 
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16:35
It's quiet out there. Too quiet.
17:18
Yes, please @MetaEd!
17:29
@jlliagre Why no Googling?
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