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Cerberus
Cerberus
00:20
@jlliagre Are we allowed to Google any text in the photo?
Or what restrictions do you impose upon yourself?
I assume throwing the photo at Google Images is forbidden?
jlliagre
jlliagre
Jul 17 at 20:34, by Robusto
@Cerberus It is not forbidden. You can google the clues you see. What you can't do is google the images.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@jlliagre OK so you have NO restrictions except Google the image itself?
And how about part of the image?
And can you use GPT at all?
jlliagre
jlliagre
I don't use GPT.
I don't google things that would return a picture.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@jlliagre Wait, how does that work?
jlliagre
jlliagre
in Wordle/Quordle/Octordle/Nerdle/Semantle/Waffle/Worldle/WhereTaken/Colorfle/Connections Dawdle, 24 hours ago, by jlliagre
@UnrelatedString TBH I now play "relaxed" rules where googling a piece of information (say a street name, the date when some president was inaugurated, etc.) is allowed but of course not googling images which would remove all fun.
Cerberus
Cerberus
00:26
How can you know which query "would return a picture"?
jlliagre
jlliagre
I don't. What I mean is I refrain to explicitely ask for something that will return a picture.
Cerberus
Cerberus
How is "would" different from "will"?
And can you type text into Google Images?
Can you visit web pages that have images on them?
jlliagre
jlliagre
Google has an "Image" tab, I don't use it. I stay in the All tab which shows more textual replies.
Cerberus
Cerberus
OK is that all?
So don't use Google Images at all, OK.
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The first one of today's series.
jlliagre
jlliagre
00:42
When I started playing, I didn't use Google or anything at all. I was wondering how @XanderHenderson could have such high scores then I understood Googling was part of the answer. Too bad it's not possible to play without being informed of the actual location and date. I would like to be able to play once with no external assistance then a second time with Googling allowed.
@Cerberus You win :-)
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Cerberus
Cerberus
Yay!
@jlliagre Same and same.
@jlliagre Woohoo!
jlliagre
jlliagre
@Cerberus Without Google, I would have say the same year but might have been wrong by up to 1000 km, not sure. The language is clearly slavic but that's it.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@jlliagre And clearly from a country with Latin letters.
I did think of the correct country (at the time) when I saw the text, before Googling. But I wasn't sure. After Google, I got much closer, obviously, getting the right country (now).
Google did not help me with the year, that was just a guess.
@jlliagre Would you allow yourself to type into Google images, e.g., "flag red yellow blue"?
And would you allow yourself to type, "Christmas London square"?
Or no Google Images at all?
If not, can you type those things and go looking for pictures on pages from regular Google search results?
jlliagre
jlliagre
00:59
@Cerberus I think I asked two days ago, after ruling out Venezuela, "South American country with a yellow blue red flag" then "mi poder en la constitución" which lead me to country. The masks gave the year.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@jlliagre So you asked in general Google Search, not Google Images?
The second one, I really have no idea where it could be.
jlliagre
jlliagre
Right, that was my first impression. Very confusing hints. Gestalt helps :-)
Cerberus
Cerberus
What impression do you mean?
jlliagre
jlliagre
My first impression was that it could be anywhere. Then I processed by elimination, can't be in that kind of country, can't be there, etc.
But I was lucky not to be too far.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Yeah I am guessing a kind of region, but it is very large.
jlliagre
jlliagre
01:06
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Cerberus
Cerberus
Oh, OK, you didn't get super close, at least.
So no text put into GPT?
jlliagre
jlliagre
I almost never use GPT.
and never while playing WhenTaken.
Cerberus
Cerberus
OK then I won't.
Because there are some interesting things there.
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How did you get that location?
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The third one. I had an idea of an event, but apparently that was not it.
jlliagre
jlliagre
@Cerberus I felt there was a mismatch between the monuments, the parade, the people. The combination didn't look like anything I know. In such situation, I now often select that part of the world.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@jlliagre Good thinking.
Why not some other non-original part of the world, though?
Like where the servers of this chat are?
I also wonder what exact mismatch you noticed?
jlliagre
jlliagre
01:18
@Cerberus Yes, that would have been my second choice. The Gestalt was more toward the first area.
Cerberus
Cerberus
How are you so sensitive to those things?
I mean, the original area is pretty diverse, why not there?
jlliagre
jlliagre
I don't know. I hesitated and could have been wrong, sure.
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Cerberus
Cerberus
I wish I had your intuition!
@jlliagre Was the specificity just a guess, or did you know the city and the year, more or less?
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jlliagre
jlliagre
@Cerberus I possibly first though about the same event as you did but the cars do not match. I was still 7 years off. About the location, the country is obvious. in doubt, pick the most known city! (well, I didn't exactly).
Cerberus
Cerberus
The fourth one. No idea how I should have guessed the city.
@jlliagre Right, that makes sense.
I did think the cars looked older, but I wasn't sure.
I wanted it to be that event.
jlliagre
jlliagre
01:28
Yes, about #4, same remark (unless you live there.) That could have been anywhere so I picked Teuteuf's well known favorite.
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Cerberus
Cerberus
It was a favourite?
jlliagre
jlliagre
The one I picked, yes. It often appears maybe one every second game or more.
Cerberus
Cerberus
And was that the correct city?
jlliagre
jlliagre
No, I got 90/100 (~300km away.)
Same region though.
By the way, I didn't google anything for 2, 3 and 4.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Ah, OK.
Why not?
jlliagre
jlliagre
01:36
There was no textual material to search.
Cerberus
Cerberus
OK.
I tried Googling but couldn't find anything.
jlliagre
jlliagre
"Tommy" maybe? The rest, I can't read Japanese.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Same.
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The last one.
I have no idea how I could have found this one.
jlliagre
jlliagre
I do :-)
Cerberus
Cerberus
I mean, the language is a traitor.
How did you find it?
Or did you recognise the building?
jlliagre
jlliagre
01:39
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Cerberus
Cerberus
#WhenTaken #146 (22.07.2024)

I scored 817/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 171.9 metres - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 196 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 18780 km - 🗓️ 5 yrs - ⚡ 95 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 304 km - 🗓️ 14 yrs - ⚡ 163 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 633 km - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 179 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 340 km - 🗓️ 5 yrs - ⚡ 184 / 200

https://whentaken.com
jlliagre
jlliagre
@Cerberus No. I first guessed a country, likely the one you picked because of the most visible language. Then, I tried to see other pieces of text. Their alphabet gave me a clue and ruled out country 1. I googled to see where people from country 1 ethnicity could live in a country where that alphabet is used (I had little doubt about that second country) and picked the main city of that region. I also know that Teuteuf likes it because there was recently a picture of it in WhenTaken.
#WhenTaken #146 (22.07.2024)

I scored 898/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 3.7 metres - 🗓️ 5 yrs - ⚡ 195 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 2275 km - 🗓️ 5 yrs - ⚡ 142 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 44 km - 🗓️ 7 yrs - ⚡ 189 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 304 km - 🗓️ 9 yrs - ⚡ 177 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 4 km - 🗓️ 5 yrs - ⚡ 195 / 200

https://whentaken.com
Cerberus
Cerberus
@jlliagre Hmm I didn't see any other legible letters.
The other signs have letters, but I can't see them.
And, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see that alphabet also used in the country I guessed.
jlliagre
jlliagre
At that time ?
Cerberus
Cerberus
Well, it wasn't that period yet, sure.
But still, the place with the other alphabet was powerful and influenced other places.
At any rate, you recognised that alphabet on the other signs?
jlliagre
jlliagre
01:51
So I was possibly lucky about ruling out the first country.
@Cerberus Yes, the last letter belongs to that alphabet.
and the shape of the letters overall.
even while I can't read anything.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@jlliagre The "last letter"? Of what?
On one of the signs?
jlliagre
jlliagre
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Cerberus
Cerberus
The last letter on that sign: I do not recognise it.
jlliagre
jlliagre
That's it, not roman :-)
Cerberus
Cerberus
No, it could be a Latin letter to me!
I suppose I did think of that alphabet a bit when I looked at those signs; however, in many type-faces, Latin letters can look like that too. So I decided that was inconclusive, could be Latin letters.
jlliagre
jlliagre
01:58
The letter before the last one looks like a D in that alphabet.
@Cerberus It's late, I need to sleep a little. A+
Cerberus
Cerberus
@jlliagre I suppose it does, but it could be anything to me!
Sleep well, thanks for your analyses.
Robusto
Robusto
02:15
I'll have to review the analyses in the morning, @jlliagre . Thanks for wringing those out of him, @Cerberus.
jlliagre
jlliagre
@Robusto Thanks, bye.
Cerberus
Cerberus
02:29
@Robusto But they are spoilers if you haven't done this one yet!
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
02:39
@Mitch Yes. I wonder why it affected me thus. My idea was that some form of reflexive epilepsy developed, with reading acting as a trigger.
@Robusto Yes, you got worse wounds from a cat, but was it for democracy? That's what important.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
03:37
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I did not know that this kind of training ever existed
Training of the day: blood flow restriction training
Cerberus
Cerberus
03:57
What is it, though?
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
@Cerberus Something weird I guess
Cerberus
Cerberus
OK.
 
6 hours later…
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
10:01
@Cerberus according to Google, they use a cuff filled with air that reduces blood flow to the biceps, or any training muscles I suppose. (Like those used when measuring blood pressure). Sounds unpleasant.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
10:17
I just don't understand why they do it, and I'm too tired now to investigate.
Just seemed curious that such a thing exists at all.
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Q: How to keep glasses dry in the rain?

npsantiniToday in the middle of my ride it started raining and I could barely see due to the amount of rain on my glasses. This is basically what I could see I have jokingly talked about using Rain-X on my glasses, but now it's starting to seem like a good idea. Is there a way to keep this from happen...

safety rain glasses
I had the same issue yesterday
Criggie
Criggie
10:43
Want to know another weird cycling training thing? There exist cycling training facilities that intentionally reduce the oxygen available to the rider.
It is supposed to equate to riding at altitude where the partial pressure of Oxygen is lower.
I've never tried it myself, there's almost nothing near me above 500 metres
A coworker who has ridden much higher says it really helps, but given a 60 minute session costs over $100 I'm not keen
@CowperKettle I have faar too many answers in that post
 
2 hours later…
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
12:56
@Criggie Yes, a nice answer
I think that "having a helmet with a visor" is the thing to try first
Criggie
Criggie
Based on the lenses for my gopro - he visor will scratch up and be useless in a year
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus OK, I won't look.
@CowperKettle I hope you're being sarcastic.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. Hmm that doesn't sound too good?
I mean, that is not a natural way in which tissues are stressed? Couldn't it cause damage with repeated use?
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
@Robusto (:
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MetaEd
MetaEd
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." ---Lily Tomlin
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Robusto
Robusto
13:08
@CowperKettle Good advice for Sisyphus, right?
>
Supposing that in this world that we live in today an inexperienced girl is married to a syphilitic man, in that case the Catholic Church says: ‘This is an indissoluble sacrament. You must stay together for life.’ And no steps of any sort must be taken by that woman to prevent herself from giving birth to syphilitic children. That is what the Catholic Church says. I say that that is fiendish cruelty, and nobody whose natural sympathies have not been warped by dogma, or whose moral nature was not absolutely dead to all sense of suffering, could maintain that it is right and proper that tha…
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
> Make plain the reason tortured Tantalus
Is baited by the fickle fruit, declare
If merely brute caprice dooms Sisyphus
To struggle up a never-ending stair.
@Robusto Up until maybe 11th century the Church did not meddle in marriages so strictly
I'm listening to an audiobook titled "The Civilization of the Middle Ages" by Cantor and Davidson, and they write so.
According to them, until that century, most marriages by simple folk were not even done with any church participation.
People just married in some way customary to their village
Robusto
Robusto
And yet we are living in the world of today, in which the Roman Catholic Church propagates such nonsense.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
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Yes.
MetaEd
MetaEd
13:29
@Robusto Propagates, indeed.
Robusto
Robusto
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@CowperKettle On my phone to listen to on the next long trip. ^
MetaEd
MetaEd
Inquisition
The Inquisition was the legal agent of the Catholic Church against heresy in the Middle Ages. It did two main things. First, it issued a list (the Index) of published books banned because they contained heresy. The faithful were forbidden to read such books. Second, it prosecuted individuals thought guilty of heresy. Later versions of the Inquisitions had the power to use torture or the threat of torture to get confessions and religious conversions. It had the power to order executions. The standard method was to burn heretics alive, or to strangle them in public. The actual deed was done by the...
Robusto
Robusto
@MetaEd Indeed.
jlliagre
jlliagre
13:51
Abbé Pierre
Abbé Pierre (Abbot Pierre), (born Henri Marie Joseph Grouès; 5 August 1912 – 22 January 2007) was a French Catholic priest, member of the Resistance during World War II, and deputy of the Popular Republican Movement (MRP). In 1949, he founded the Emmaus movement, with the goal of helping poor and homeless people and refugees. For years, he was one of the most popular figures in France. Allegations of sexual abuse almost 20 years after his death shocked the French public. Grouès was born on 5 August 1912 in Lyon, France to a wealthy Catholic family of silk traders, the fifth of eight children...
Tu quoque mi pater.
MetaEd
MetaEd
Wordle 1,129 3/6

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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
14:14
Weight-loss power of oats naturally mimics popular obesity drugs
> They found that one metabolite, butyrate, was the driver of this effect. Butyrate, a short-chain fatty acid (SCFA) is produced by certain gut bacteria in the fiber fermentation process, stimulates the release of GLP-1
> .. which we've come to understand plays such an important role in communicating to the brain that feeling of 'fullness' when we eat. Semaglutide drugs like Ozempic synthetically create this gut-brain scenario, though in a more potent way that doesn't face the same kind of rapid deterioration as when it occurs naturally.
So.. carrying a bag of oats an taking a bite now and then will produce the same effect as Ozempic, on the cheap
Hence the saying "to feel one's oats"
jlliagre
jlliagre
Wordle 1,129 4/6

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Araucaria - Him
Araucaria - Him
On taking a balanced view of the grammar
Robusto
Robusto
14:51
#WhenTaken #146 (22.07.2024)

I scored 880/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 306 km - 🗓️ 6 yrs - ⚡ 183 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 2268 km - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 144 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 50 km - 🗓️ 8 yrs - ⚡ 187 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 157.4 metres - 🗓️ 9 yrs - ⚡ 187 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 292 km - 🗓️ 8 yrs - ⚡ 179 / 200

https://whentaken.com
Not bad for just guessing with very little investigation.
Wordle 1,129 3/6

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Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto Well done!
There wasn't that much to investigate for me...
@Robusto How did you guess the right continent for the animal lanterns?
Araucaria - Him
Araucaria - Him
@alphabet You might enjoy the link I posted above :)
alphabet
alphabet
15:10
@Araucaria-Him Is that a reference to something, or just a general critique of EA's preference for "balance"?
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Araucaria-Him That's lovely. Did you write it?
Cerberus
Cerberus
@alphabet I have the same question.
Araucaria - Him
Araucaria - Him
@alphabet Just the latter I'm afraid.
@MetaEd Thanks. Yes, guilty. It's what happens when you force someone with ADHD to invigilate a long practice exam.
@alphabet Or it's a reference to the fact that despite DW256 politely destroying the RC analysis, Edwin still thinks there are two points of view on the matter!
alphabet
alphabet
@Araucaria-Him I'm impressed at your commitment!
@Araucaria-Him The biggest problem with a relative clause analysis is that gerund-participial modifiers in NPs don't always have a progressive interpretation. In "Anyone finishing the race in under an hour will receive a $1000 prize," you can't replace "finishing" with "who is finishing."
Araucaria - Him
Araucaria - Him
15:26
@alphabet Quite! There' also the fact that you can't 'WIZZ-delete' an RC with a PC: "the man who was a doctor escaped" cannot come out as "*the man a doctor escaped".
Similarly: "The rose which was variegated was a real winner" cannot be reformed as "*The rose variegated a real winner"!
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Araucaria-Him I will be stealing this. How can I attribute it properly.
Araucaria - Him
Araucaria - Him
@MetaEd I'm flattered! Please do. Just an eponymous 'Araucaria' date and title, which I hereby give as "A very balanced view". Could list as an unpublished manuscript, if the feeling takes you :)
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus SPOILER
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto But that last step!! Why switch to there?
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus Simply put, because I've been burned too often by blithely choosing the mother country.
Cerberus
Cerberus
15:40
Hmmm.
Why even pick that nuclear family, and not a more southern or eastern or northern cousin?
Robusto
Robusto
I didn't look at your and @jlliagre's efforts, if that's what you're getting at.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Or some place on your continent?
@Robusto I wasn't.
Just trying to learn from you and him.
How you do this.
How you ever recognise that place.
jlliagre
jlliagre
@Robusto We both selected the same city :-)
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus It was really just a wild guess. It took me about a minute or two to make up my mind to jump in with both feet. Sometimes you score with that approach, sometimes you fall flat on your face.
@jlliagre Weird. Why did you choose that one?
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto I just had no idea at all. Any place where there could be a substantial number of blond people, that was all I had. The monument suggested the older place, so I clicked somewhere there.
jlliagre
jlliagre
15:46
@Robusto Because a choice has to be made.
Robusto
Robusto
Yes, indeed.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Such is life.
Even so.
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus Going in, I didn't really have any confidence in my guess. I was gratified it scored so well.
Cerberus
Cerberus
I am appalled.
@Robusto I saw a lot of places on that continent in the game. So perhaps I will click there by default, from now on. Perhaps your intuition caught onto that.
Or is it caught on to?
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus I'd use the latter.
Cerberus
Cerberus
15:49
Noted.
Robusto
Robusto
Whenever a preposition forms part of an idiom, I like to isolate the idiom.
Cerberus
Cerberus
I see.
Robusto
Robusto
Still, if I were reading quickly I'd hardly notice the first way you tried.
But I never, ever login to my account. I insist on logging in.
^_^
Cerberus
Cerberus
Ahh but do you log in to it or into it?
I would never login either. Irrespective of to.
jlliagre
jlliagre
> I am logoning in as the administrator, if i remove the [...]
microsoft.public.adsi.general.narkive.com/hdDgfEuf/…
Robusto
Robusto
15:55
@Cerberus I prefer to log in to my account. There, I said it.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto I would be in doubt as to whether I should log in to it or log into it!
But I guess catch on to it has convinced me, so I must also write log in to it.
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus These are very, very fine points we are delineating here. But useful for identifying kindred fussbudgets! ;-)
Cerberus
Cerberus
I'm sure Fowler has something to say about this, though!
MetaEd
MetaEd
I don't know about Fowler, but I do.
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus If one wanted to pore through that or any grammar tome.
@MetaEd Ahem. Do we dare ask you to go ahead?
Cerberus
Cerberus
16:02
Pore over or through?
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus I pore over and through. There is no limit to my poring.
Cerberus
Cerberus
How vary porous.
Robusto
Robusto
One of various porosities.
jlliagre
jlliagre
16:35
Daily Octordle #910
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Score: 78
So long my ESP...
Vikas
Vikas
Wordle 1,129 5/6

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jlliagre
jlliagre
Daily Sequence Octordle #910
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Vikas
Vikas
#WhenTaken #146 (22.07.2024)

I scored 668/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 182 km - 🗓️ 35 yrs - ⚡ 93 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 12564 km - 🗓️ 9 yrs - ⚡ 87 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 176 km - 🗓️ 5 yrs - ⚡ 188 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 308 km - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 188 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 780 km - 🗓️ 25 yrs - ⚡ 112 / 200

https://whentaken.com
Cerberus
Cerberus
16:54
Not bad!
Robusto
Robusto
Daily Octordle #910
7️⃣6️⃣
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Score: 64
Daily Sequence Octordle #910
4️⃣6️⃣
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Score: 73
Is a hyeno a male hyena? And how can you tell the difference? Discuss.
jlliagre
jlliagre
17:13
@Vikas Welcome to the club! :-)
GratefulDisciple
GratefulDisciple
17:26
Good morning/afternoon. I wonder whether someone could explain the meaning of "ladybird" when used as an adjective such as in the 2 phrases I found in Philosophy.SE, both connected with reading: "my ladybird book of Foucault knowledge" and "I've read the ladybird Nietzsche, and some of it is on this site.". Is it a new slang?
Or possibly it refers to Ladybird Books for children?
Robusto
Robusto
@GratefulDisciple That would be my guess.
GratefulDisciple
GratefulDisciple
@Robusto Thanks. Makes sense from the context. Never heard of that book series before, maybe worth investigating :-). Have a good day!
Robusto
Robusto
Similar to the "[Subject] for Dummies" series of books, ad infinitum.
GratefulDisciple
GratefulDisciple
@Robusto Ah yes. Is that series still in print? Or what's the current equivalent?
Robusto
Robusto
Or, going back to Izaak Walton, "The Complete [Angler, Craftsman, Ventriloquist, Etc.]"
GratefulDisciple
GratefulDisciple
17:34
BTW, I found the extensive Oxford series "<Subject>: A very short introduction" very helpful but don't dumb down the topic like possibly some of the "[Subject] for Dummies" books.
Robusto
Robusto
@GratefulDisciple I don't know. It's just a borrowed meme. Draw your own conclusions.
The Big Little Book of Trains.
GratefulDisciple
GratefulDisciple
@Robusto A few decades ago, computer books with names like "The [subject] Bible" was common, but I guess the Bible may have lost some of its reputation 😊.
Robusto
Robusto
18:00
@GratefulDisciple A ladybird is cuter.
@tchrist Well, it happened. Mallorcans are protesting against the influx of tourists. I guess our visit was the last straw. ;-0
Also, I think I can read Portuguese better than Catalan:
> Ha passat el que necessitam que passi: tornar cap a ca nostra més contents del que hi hem arribat.
Hi hem estat i les mirades i somriures còmplices han fet la resta. La Mallorca que m’agrada.
GratefulDisciple
GratefulDisciple
18:32
@Robusto For sure. But I wonder what the publisher wants to convey by naming a book The Ladybird Book of Trees. Is it impersonating the author? Or impersonating a potential reader? Or imagining the cognition level of a real Ladybird so the book is easy enough to understand or interesting enough in its presentation, etc? Or simply capitalizing on the reputation of earlier book of the series?
Robusto
Robusto
@GratefulDisciple I think they just want to suggest simplicity and ease of reading. "My Ladybird Book of Foucault Knowledge" would be similar to "Brain Surgery for Dummies" in its drollness, and maybe such a thing would be satire. But there is benefit to using the trope to suggest that Everyman could benefit from the text.
GratefulDisciple
GratefulDisciple
@Robusto Yeah. My dad would have been familiar with the "Everyman" series or "[subject] Made Easy" series. I'm overthinking this :-).
Robusto
Robusto
Overthinking is what we do here.
Mitch
Mitch
19:11
@Robusto really? We're more likely to superficially discuss a topic, but go back and forth misunderstanding the other and just repeating arguments rather than exploring nuances and minutiae characteristic of over thing.
Or maybe we do go into details, but not with any recourse to actual data, we flail about with reasonable inferences from questionable and vague premises.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch The technical term is "arrant pedantry".
Mitch
Mitch
Or maybe we're thinking exactly the right amount but it feels like overthinking because we come to the same conclusion that our intuition came to.
@MetaEd a slapping fight with words
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch fish
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch You're wrong, minutiae is not an adjective.
Mitch
Mitch
20:01
@Cerberus slams down phone
Huh
That doesn't work anymore
Cerberus
Cerberus
Did you break your screen?
Mitch
Mitch
It's just not satisfying hanging up when you just need to tap the screen lightly.
Cerberus
Cerberus
You don't have to tap it lightly.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch you can set up your phone to hang up when you set it face down
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus fortunately I'm never serious about anything
MetaEd
MetaEd
20:02
and then you can slam it down and it will be super effective
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Lucky everyone.
Mitch
Mitch
@MetaEd what??
@Cerberus sometimes I tell the the truth, sometimes I lie, sometimes I say things I believe fully that just aren't the case, and sometimes I say things that vary in truth value depending on circumstances, sometimes, the value could be anywhere midway between true and false, and sometimes the things I say have no possible truth value at all
Them's a lot of somethings
@MetaEd there's a lot of settings to go through to find that.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mitch I'm afraid I was mixing up power button ends call with face-down silences incoming calls
Cerberus
Cerberus
@MetaEd Of course you can do what you said.
Just use Tasker.
It can do anything.
Of course, if you don't have full access to your phone, then you're screwed and you will need to be a capable phone.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Cerberus I remember using tasker, or at any rate something very like it that would let me pick arbitrary phone events to trigger arbitrary actions. And it crashed a lot.
Cerberus
Cerberus
20:17
@MetaEd Exactly! But it doesn't crash for me.
I have used it for a thousand things every day, for 12(?) years, ever since my first Android, I think. Galaxy Nexus.
Robusto
Robusto
@MetaEd Did you mean "errant" pedantry?
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Cerberus "full access to your phone" I assume you mean you root your device
Cerberus
Cerberus
@MetaEd Indeed!
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Robusto certainly not
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto Isn't arrant most appropriate?
Robusto
Robusto
20:23
@Cerberus Not if everybody is wrong all the time. I mean, except me.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Umm that sounds very cryptic!
MetaEd
MetaEd
I mean "arrant" pedantry. Except of course when I mean "arrondissement" pedantry.
Robusto
Robusto
I mean it in the sense of a pun on err.
It should be known that errant and arrant are flip sides of the same coin.
> Old French errant, past participle of errer (see err). The senses fused in English 14c., but much of the sense of the latter since has gone with arrant.
MetaEd
MetaEd
21:06
@Robusto not all who err are errant.
(That is, not all who wander are lost.)
Robusto
Robusto
@MetaEd Not all with wanderlust wander with lust.
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Robusto My favorite deadly sin!
Robusto
Robusto
@MetaEd But there are so many to choose from!
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
22:00
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Mitch
Mitch
23:36
Now that we are all past a certain event, I feel I can ask something...
It comes from a place of ignorance...I just don't know much about what things certain people have done or not done, what officials think, what journalists think, what regular people think...
@alphabet What was so bad about how Biden has been dealing with the Israeli/Palestine problem since Oct 7?
I actually don't know what he has done or not done, said or not said... or maybe I did at one point but now just can't remember. And things may have changed over the course of time.

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