English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Vikas

10:23

@jlliagre So suppose the puzzle has a target word "Walk" in its mind. And we have to guess it. But unlike Wordle, we type it in a text input field and check how close (similar) it is. E.g. I type "night". That isn't close. Then I type "run". This time it shows you are more closer to target word as run and walk have more similarities.

And you keep guessing 100s of words until you reach right word.

Alexander

In fact I love word games, too. Yesterday I've guessed my Wordle in exactly six attempts. It was the word "quite".

Vikas

@Alexander Tried today's?

I don't love much but it's a good timepass especially when you have to wait for other stuff.

Alexander

@Vikas No, I didn't. I am not sure if I want, let me be honest.) Well, I kind of want. (Also, I am an idiot. Could you explain WHERE I can play it? Not HOW, but WHERE.) Or, we can discuss the rules. I think all five letters must be different, yes? I love the number 5.

Vikas

@M.A.R. Announcement might come soon.

This is the wordle link: nytimes.com/games/wordle/index.html

@Alexander No, no need for being different.

Alexander

@Vikas thanks a lot, I've bookmarked it in my browser. Do I need to register there?.. Oh, so there can be identical letters?

Vikas

10:34

@Alexander I haven't registered. I also bookmarked.

@Alexander Yes, can be identical. E.g., you can guess first row as " Q U E E N". E is repetitive.

Alexander

@Vikas thanks, I didn't know it but it makes things more complicate (in my opinion). Still a great game! Oh, can I ask if proper names are allowed? E.g. Putin or Biden (sorry, I'm not currently discussing them, just mentioning them).

Vikas

@Alexander I think names not allowed.

Play only if you think it's worth it, otherwise feel free to ignore :)

Alexander

@Vikas thanks. Still wonder though if a word is allowed if it's ambiguous. E.g. Jack is a male name, but it can mean a lifting device. Well, it's a four-letter word. I couldn't think of a 5-letter example but it's totally possible.

Vikas

@Alexander Then it would be allowed I guess.

Alexander

@Vikas OK, perfect. Thanks for clarification.) I'll try my best but my vocabulary is extremely far from perfection.)

Vikas

10:43

@Alexander You probably have better than mine XD

Also vocabulary doesn't matter too much in it.

Alexander

Oh, but what happens if I enter something that isn't a word at all? Like PBTDK. Would they still show me their highlights? Sorry if my question is unclear.(((

I think they do! How amazing! Well, this makes the game much easier!

Eureka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vikas

11:05

@Alexander It will simply not allow you to submit.

@Alexander Yes rules are easy.

jlliagre

@Vikas That's possibly Contexto.

Vikas

11:39

@jlliagre It looks like the one. UI changed maybe. Thanks.

Alexander

So it's just one puzzle per day. A bit boring but it's OK.

Vikas

Yes OK for timepass.

Alexander

12:06

@Vikas can we talk a little bit? I won't harm you. I know you are from India, am I right? I am from Moldova.

Vikas

@Alexander Yes.

Alexander

@Vikas Which state of India are you from?

Vikas

@Alexander Haryana.

Alexander

Haryana

Haryana (; Hindi: [ɦəɾɪˈjɑːɳɑː]; ISO: Hariyāṇā) is an Indian state located in the northern part of the country. It was carved out after the linguistic reorganisation of Punjab on 1 November 1966. It is ranked 21st in terms of area, with less than 1.4% (44,212 km2 or 17,070 sq mi) of India's land area. The state capital is Chandigarh, which it shares with the neighbouring state of Punjab; and the most populous city is Faridabad, a part of the National Capital Region. The city of Gurgaon is among India's largest financial and technology hubs. Haryana has 6 administrative divisions, 22 districts,...

I am from Chisinau, capital of Moldova.

Vikas

12:22

@Alexander Nice

Alexander

12:36

@Vikas Is air in India good or bad? Can you breathe with a full chest?

Vikas

@Alexander Lol no, far worse than Europe. And it gets worst when winter approaches.

@Alexander "full chest" meaning?

Alexander

12:56

@Vikas hmm, GT says it's wrong. Never mind. I have heard you have terrible smog. One day in the fresh air in India is equal to smoking two packs of cigarettes.

Vikas

@Alexander Yeah you are right.

Happens during winter.

Alexander

Can I please ask what do yiu usually eat? I heard of biryani but I have little idea wht it is.

M.A.R.

@Alexander Shamsi, literally 'solar'. It's a unique Iranian calendar.

@CowperKettle we were just talking about that. See my comments above. Start here chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/65973834#65973834

@Alexander we had curry on Friday and my brother said Indian food is just delicious spicy gruel

Apparences leave something to be desired but once you taste it you can ignore them

I'm having a simple dish for lunch today. Boiled eggs, boiled potatoes, a bit of butter, dried mint and salt would suffice for seasoning, maybe a bit of paprika too. Served with lavash bread.

It's considered traditional here. A bit. Called literally "potato egg".

May 25, 2022 at 22:03, by M.A.R.

So the European word for it is omelet. Okay. We creatively call it 'yeralma-yomorta' 'potato and egg'

Vikas

13:34

@Alexander I'm a vegetarian so we mostly eat stuff made from wheat flour and vegetables, pulses/lentis, beans etc. Also rice.

@Alexander Biryani is non vegetarian item. But there is also a "vegetarian biryani" but people who eat the former often say "there's no such thing as veg biryani" lol

@M.A.R. Do you boil potatoes after peeling or whole?

Robusto

13:53

Wordle 1,125 3/6

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Mitch

@jlliagre I may very well be telling you things you already know, but bread is just not that important in American meals, it's just another possible starch. In some restaurants it's sort of a replacement of the appetizer, not really appetizing but functionally something to stop hungry customers from complaining about how long it's taking the main order to come.

The usual parental advice to children is "Stop stuffing your face with the free bread, you'll be too full for the good part when it comes"

Robusto

@Mitch Your attitude toward French bread is a pain.

Mitch

@Robusto French bread is no doubt good. Americans fall all over it like it's cake or something, but that's because American bread is trash.

But German bread is better than French bread.

Robusto

@Mitch Depends on the bread. Wonder Bread is trash. But there are plenty of good breads to be had.

Mitch

@Robusto Some people love Wonder Bread.

There are different breads and different people.

For every season there is a purpose.

This too shall pass.

Robusto

14:11

@Mitch OK, now you're reversing what you just said: "American bread is trash." You just feeling grumpy or something? Get up on the wrong side of the bed?

Mitch

Nullius in verba.

@Robusto I am not one of those people who love Wonder Bread. It has its place (say for classic grilled cheese).

But I may also be grumpy.

Today

Or maybe it's time for a pre-elevenses snack.

Robusto

I thought that was "elevensies"

Mitch

You were sorely mistaken.

Robusto

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Mitch

14:29

@Robusto mmm...snack level achieved...

sure elevensies

Robusto

Bon apres-appetit

MetaEd

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that was just wrong

jlliagre

@Mitch I may very well be telling you things you already know You are indeed, I figured it out since "when I first ate in a US restaurant" :-) To better explain my feelings when it happened, just imagine you order a beer with your meal and when the meal is served, the waiter pick your half full (or half empty?) glass back to the kitchen and pour it in the sink.

@Mitch Wars were ignited by less than that! ;-)

Robusto

14:49

#WhenTaken #142 (18.07.2024)

I scored 763/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 303 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 190 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 199.6 metres - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 200 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 12767 km - 🗓️ 37 yrs - ⚡ 0 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 15 km - 🗓️ 9 yrs - ⚡ 186 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 274 km - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 187 / 200

https://whentaken.com
Wow, my very first 0/200.

Mitch

@jlliagre Oh...I forgot to make explicit the reason why they take the bread away - 1) it's not part of the meal, it's there to distract you before you get to the meal and it's not that good anyway (unless you're a hungry kid and then it's awesome and you can you use your hands to eat it)

@jlliagre It is why I said it. Life is dull. I need to feel something.

punches self in stomach

that doesn't have the effect I really wanted.

jlliagre

#WhenTaken #142 (18.07.2024)

I scored 952/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 436 km - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 183 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 220.6 metres - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 197 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 279 km - 🗓️ 9 yrs - ⚡ 178 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 64 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 196 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 53.3 metres - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 198 / 200

https://whentaken.com

Robusto

@Mitch It's hard to punch yourself in the stomach. You can't get a lot of force behind it. Try punching yourself in the nose. That will elicit more sensation.

Mitch

@Robusto You'd think you could get leverage with a piece of two by four, but no, it's somehow even more unwieldy.

M.A.R.

15:08

@Vikas whole. Then peel afterwards. Easier.

@Mitch you hurt yourself today, to see if you still feel?

Mitch

@M.A.R. I don't have that good a point of view, so it was more of a playful jab.

M.A.R.

How would I fit that into the lyrics?

I playfully jabbed myself today, to see if I still feel. I focus on the mild discomfort, the only thing that's real.

Vikas

@M.A.R. Good. We always peel it first then chop in small pieces (e.g. 6 pieces of one potato) and then cook it to make the typical Indian curry. I have read that if you cook it like this, it loses lot of nutrients.

Mitch

15:29

@M.A.R. Let's say the two by four worked. How would that scan in a new verse?

Robusto

@Mitch That might work against the knee. Why not give it a go?

Mitch

@Robusto Interesting idea. I think I should experiment on someone else's knee first.

Robusto

@Mitch Capital idea. You can apply full force then.

Mitch

@Robusto Exactly

For the record I've heard more than one French person complain about the quality of the classic baguette.

'more than one' = definitely one, and maybe a second one but the memory is vague and maybe that's actually just the first person.

Or the first person had visited France and said that they had met at least one person who said French bread had gone downhill with the mass produced institutional French Bread factories.

alphabet

You can't make PB&J with a baguette. I mean you could but I don't think it'd be appetizing.

Mitch

15:44

To be clear, the French Bread made in the US is very much shaped like the French Bread baguette.

@alphabet That would just ruin the PB and the J.

alphabet

16:50

A Wildly Obscene Term’s Path to Mainstream Usage

Robusto

17:45

@alphabet I never thought "rawdog" was obscene at all. Just expressive.

No more obscene than using "commando" to describe wearing jeans with no underwear.

jlliagre

18:52

@Mitch Imagine someone ordering a hamburger in a non fast food restaurant and the waiter removing the bread just after serving it.

@Robusto I wasn't very confident about my choice on #3 as there was no obvious clue. I didn't recognize any flag nor person. I based my choice on the left people's look and was lucky. spoiler

Robusto

@jlliagre SPOILER

In any case, 763 was not a bad score for an absolute zero on one question.

jlliagre

19:08

@alphabet I googled PB&J, interesting.

> If there is a truly American food — one that hasn’t been borrowed from another culture’s culinary tradition and transformed — then the peanut butter and jelly sandwich is probably it.

According to some estimates, the average American will consume nearly 3,000 peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in their lifetime; if those sandwiches were stacked on top of each other, they’d form a delicious, precarious tower taller than the Statue of Liberty. And it’s not just kids who love PB&J — that same survey, commissioned by Peter Pan peanut butter, revealed that the average American adult eats thr…

saturdayeveningpost.com/2023/08/pbj-an-american-love-story

Mitch

@jlliagre That sounds like some kinda fancy French restaurant like with 3 forks, 2 spoons and 4 wine glasses (two for each hand?).

Also you've obviously never been to an American restaurant where they serve hamburgers, because in actual fact, hamburgers are -never- served by waiters. That would be uncouth. You get your own hamburger from an arm stuck through a little window right after yelling at a loud speaker.

But yes I see your point. Not having a bun on a hamburger is as un-american as not doping in your little bicycles races is un-French.

Hah

Work out all -those- negatives with your hyperplastic negative concord rules.

jlliagre

@Mitch White wine, red wine, rosé and the fourth I don't know, if it's larger maybe Evian or Perrier.

Robusto

@jlliagre I'll often have a PB&J in the morning if I'm in a hurry or just feeling lazy. Great with coffee.

Mitch

@jlliagre Saturday Evening Post? If you rearrange the letters in their name it spells out Red Digest, comrade. How dare you quote some communist propaganda.

jlliagre

@Mitch I can assure my kids were served hamburgers by a waiter during my last trip to New York.

Mitch

19:19

@jlliagre New York City? City of Times Square Elmo spats? City of pizza-stealing rat? City that smells almost as bad as Paris? I think I've made my case.

1994 - Pace Thick & Chunky Salsa - Switch Brands (NEW YORK CITY?!?!) Commercial

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No I don't understand hardly any of it, but the 'New York City?!?' is classic propaganda.

For factual relevance, the radio station playing only country music with the largest listener-ship is located in ... New York City!

That's not entirely true.

Which under normal logical situations means it is false.

But these ain't no normal situations.

statista.com/statistics/681687/….

jlliagre

@Mitch YouTube automatically generated subtitles read 'British decimate New York City' (??)

Robusto

@Mitch I worked with the guy who (claimed he) came up with that campaign. He was an asshole.

Mitch

So NYC is not the top but it's in the top ten.

anyway, you don't think of NYC as especially country but I guess this graph says something about how it's not too far off.

The following is much clearer:

Pace Picante Sauce/Thick & Chunky Salsa Commercials

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jlliagre

@Mitch These statistics do not say a lot about popularity. They should be per 100k inhabitants in the broadcasting area or something.

Mitch

@jlliagre Yes. That'd be the rational thing to do. But we're talking making a stupid point rather than being right.

I doubt there are many reggaeton stations in ... wait, there are probably -many- reggaeton stations in LA and Texas and all those places listed.

But still.

@Robusto Even an asshole can be funny sometimes.

👀

Robusto

19:36

@Mitch That was Le Pétomane's secret to success.

Le Pétomane

Joseph Pujol (June 1, 1857 – August 8, 1945), better known by his stage name Le Pétomane (, French pronunciation: [ləpetɔman]), was a French flatulist (professional fartist) and entertainer. He was famous for his remarkable control of the abdominal muscles, which enabled him to seemingly fart at will. His stage name combines the French verb péter, "to fart" with the -mane, "-maniac" suffix, which translates to "fartomaniac". The profession is referred to as "flatulist", "farteur", or "fartiste". It was a common misconception that Pujol passed intestinal gas as part of his stage performance. Rather...

Mitch

That's a pretty shitty job.

jlliagre

@Robusto Everyone is an asshole depending on one's point of view.

Robusto

@Mitch That's a common misconception.

@jlliagre I'm a pretty good judge of that.

Alexander

19:56

@Mitch Hello, dear Mitch. (Is dear + smth the correct addressation in English?) I'm glad to see you.

CowperKettle

20:07

Word of 01:07 a.m: blindisms - self-stimulatory behaviors in children with blindness and severe visual impairment

Alexander

@CowperKettle nice to see you. You are amazing.

Robusto

20:29

@Alexander Sorry, but I think you need to dial back the unctuous flattery. It rings very false and, to be honest, kinda creepy.

Alexander

@Robusto thanks, you've had a few new words for me ('unctuous') but I've translated your message for myself. So you want me to be rude? No problem.)) Always at your disposition.

I can write in any style: high, medium or low. I do not offend even butterflies though.

I thought it's a polite site but if words like "moron', 'bastard' or 'scoundrel' are encouraged here, then I'll use them more often.)

M.A.R.

21:21

Oct 21, 2023 at 4:13, by M.A.R.

@alphabet I tried peanut butter and it was meh

Alexander

Когда человек говорит мне, чтобы я перестал быть вежливым, то мне очень больно и обидно. Хочется плакать от горечи. Вроде бы здесь сидят замечательные дядьки с IQ 150, обсуждают тройные интегралы и космические корабли. Я тоже хочу вписаться в коллектив, я имею право на общение. Но когда человек говорит мне, что я "елейно льщу", то мне хочется взять увесистую бейсбольную биту и поразбивать ему все окна в доме и все передние и задние фары его машины. Извините.

alphabet

@jlliagre Indeed. A good lunch if you want something fast. People tend to have strong opinions about what brands of peanut butter are acceptable.

M.A.R.

I've long added it to the list of unfathomable American obsessions, alongside dogs, freedom, and big cars.

@Alexander he didn't ask you to be rude, just not constantly praise whoever you're talking to

Alexander

@M.A.R. I got my lesson.

M.A.R.

@alphabet hey now I only remember one particular raccoon being particular about peanut butter brands.

I'd also say guns but AFAIK only one third of Americans love carrying around guns. The others are either scared of the freaks or prefer not to carry around lethal weapons

@Alexander it's certainly correct but a bit too familiar. It's almost in the same league as calling people "sweetheart" and "darling".

Alexander

21:27

@M.A.R. I understand it now. I've asked some advice from my dear Yevgeniya and she told me I am indeed a bit flattering. I'll try to avoid that strategy.

alphabet

@M.A.R. It varies a lot by region. Here in Massachusetts only 10% of people own guns; in Montana, it's 64%.

Alexander

Do you have death penalty in Massachusetts?

alphabet

@Alexander Not on the state level. But if you commit a federal crime here (or anywhere else) you can get the death penalty.

Alexander

I wonder how many US states have the death penalty at all. 20? 30?

alphabet

An interesting case of this was Dzhokar Tsarnaev, the Boston Marathon bomber. 62% of Bostonians opposed him getting the death penalty, but (given that this was an act of terrorism) he was tried in federal court and sentenced to death anyway.

(He hasn't actually been executed, due to the Biden administration's moratorium, but he's still on death row.)

Robusto

21:38

@Alexander Go ahead, try it. Talk like that can get you kicked from this chat.

Alexander

@alphabet thanks, that's interesting. Can I express my personal opinion? Death penalty - contra, euthanasia - contra, marijuana smoking and light drugs - contra, same-sex marriages - contra, experiments on animals - contra, killing germs - contra, opposite-sex marriages - pro.

Michael Rybkin

Does this sounds fine guys?

I wish the 90s could've lasted forever!

alphabet

@Alexander Google Translate: "When a person tells me to stop being polite, I feel very hurt and offended. I want to cry from bitterness. It seems like there are wonderful guys with an IQ of 150 sitting here, discussing triple integrals and spaceships. I also want to fit into the group, I have the right to communicate.

. But when a person tells me that I am "unctuously flattering", I want to take a hefty baseball bat and smash all the windows in his house and all the front and rear lights of his car. Sorry."

Alexander

@alphabet that's it. My desire doesn't mean I'll actually do it. No harm to anyone including germs or viruses!

alphabet

Going from excessive praise to begging for sympathy to attempted flattery to serious threats of violence and property destruction is...yikes.

Alexander

21:44

@alphabet Well, there is a real world and a virtual one. I could create my opponent's stuffed animal and humiliate it but no damage to him in real world.

jlliagre

@alphabet Trolling?

Alexander

But in fact I DO feel guilty. Hitler is NOT a good guy. Neither is Mussolini or Idi Amin Dada. I have heard he had eaten a few of his wives.

I promise I won't flatter.

alphabet

@jlliagre Sounds like the exact definition of splitting caused by BPD, not that I'm qualified to diagnose anyone.

Read that section ("Splitting in BPD: How Can You Tell?") and note that it pretty much describes this exact situation.

Alexander

I seek forgiveness. Let's talk about math, chemistry, English language... I think we all know English.

alphabet

You seek forgiveness for a few seconds. Then you'll switch to pleas for sympathy, then to violent rage, then to begging us to like you, then to normalcy, and so the cycle will continue.

Alexander

21:50

I know... I think bipolar disorder is indeed my diagnosis.

alphabet

No, BPD = Borderline Personality Disorder.

> * Habitually making snap judgments about people or situations
* Rapidly switching to the polar opposite view with the same level of certainty
* Craving attention and needing frequent reassurance from idealized people

> * Punishing idealized people who do not give them the attention or reassurances they seek (e.g., with angry outbursts or the silent treatment)
* Describing things in absolutes (e.g., “they never do anything right”, “they always do things to perfection")
* Using extreme words to describe people or situations (e.g., "angelic" or "evil," "genius" or "moron," or "ravishing" or "hideous")

Sound familiar at all?

Mitch

@Alexander 1) Yes, at the beginning of formal letters and formal email, you write "Dear So-and-so, ..."

Robusto

@MichaelRybkin Sure.

Mitch

2) If in the middle of speaking or writing as you just did, '..., dear Mitch, ...' is correct but sounds a little weird because it assumes some personal familiarity (I mean -a lot- of personal familiarity or a presumption of such familiarity) which, while we are on friendly albeit mostly anonymous terms, we don't quite know each other well enough.

3) You figured out how to respond to a specific message. Yay! But in this particular instance, your message to me has no connection semantically with the message you replied to. In this instance, if you really wanted to get my attention (and it seems that you do) just the plain old 'pinging' works ('@' followed by my name).

@Alexander Scoundrel?

How about cad?

Rake?

Roué?

Blackguard? (pronounced blagurd)

Alexander

@Mitch thanks, that's in fact a new word for me. This site is useful.

Mitch

21:55

@Alexander All new words every day.

Those were high class words.

Alexander

Ах ты, ерондерпуп, амфидер! Ах ты, чёртов крупный красный горный алудранский рептилоид, доктор перец недоделанный, клёпаный весёлый зелёный гигант, гиппопозёбр обсосанный! (I actually do not address anyone in person. No harm, belive me.)

Mitch

For medium class there's: 'piece of work', difficult, unreliable, hard to get a long with, toxic, meanie.

For low class there's... a whole bunch.

@alphabet When the bears get more adventurous here, I think there might be an uptick.

Or there very well might be more ER visits for 'EYE IRRITATION FROM PEPPER SPRAY SEQUELAE TO BEAR ENCOUNTER'

@M.A.R. Peanut butter? It's not an obsession. it's just weird to you. (it -is- weird I'll grant you.) But once you get past that... it's a convenient lunch for kids (and @Robusto) but only weirdos eat it everyday on purpose.

That said, I just realized that we're out of peanut butter, again, this week.

Who the hell is eating my peanut butter?

@Alexander google translate says: "Oh you, eronderpup, amphider! Oh, you damn large red Aludran mountain reptilian, unfinished doctor pepper, riveted cheerful green giant, sucked hippozober!"

alphabet

@Mitch Definitely not me. Sneaks out of your house

Mitch

very few of those are English words. Are those words you made up in Russian, or are they common slang words in Russian that GT just doesn't know about?

Alexander

@Mitch, if you wonder about the Aludran reptilian, then it's from Serious Sam HD The First and The Second Encounter. Nice games! It's a pity nobody plays games here but I had been enjoying them. As for the other curses, it's complicated.

Mitch

22:11

@alphabet What really annoying is when people use the peanut butter and they take some out and they leave huge gouges in the top of the layer of peanut butter, and then they also don't screw the cap on right so it is slightly loose and they also get the edges a bit oily so you almost drop it. I hate that.

@Alexander I will start using them all in my conversations with Russians, you unfinished doctor pepper.

Ах ты, доктор перец недоделанный

Alexander

@Mitch thanks. Can I ask if you know a somehow better electronic translator than GT?

alphabet

@Mitch What really annoys me is when you stick your head in a jar of peanut butter you've stolen from the humans, then pull it out to find your snout fur is all matted down and covered in gunk.

Mitch

@alphabet Wow. That's not DSM language though, is it?

What about histrionic PD? I get those two mixed all the time.

alphabet

@Mitch I can't offer a diagnosis, but I think that that description is reasonably accurate, and it exactly matches Alexander's behavior in this chat.

Mitch

@Alexander I'm not really up on automated translation (like tools that you might pay for). I have used ChatGPT and Claude for a sentence here and there... that's my only other experience (beyond playing with GT a lot). I bet @CowperKettle knows something about quality of English ,-> Russian translators because I think he used to use some of those tools.

Over the past ten years I've used GT every so often for words here in there in different language so I have strong opinions but not really any in depth knowledge.

@alphabet Where did you get it from?

(it was a little too accurate!)

alphabet

22:20

@Mitch I linked it earlier: verywellhealth.com/…

Mitch

@alphabet Ah but then you can enjoy licking your own face off.

alphabet

(I excerpted it a bit to fit in chat)

Mitch

@alphabet Oh thanks. I hadn't gotten far enough in my reading of the transcript.

@MichaelRybkin No because the 90s were awful.

ha ha ah ahaha ahahah!

Sorry. To easy to resist.

It sounds perfectly natural.

To be honest, I'm having a hard time remembering the 90s.

Point Break

The Matrix

uh ... some other Keanu Reeves movie

alphabet

@Mitch I gotta find myself a man who'll lick peanut butter off me.

Mitch

@Alexander Whoa whoa whoa dude... you're against killing germs? Meaning you are pro germs?

Alexander

22:36

In honor that the dentist easily twisted out my two dentar implants from my lower jaw that tormented me so much for six years, I learned:

1) the names of all the Surahs of the Qur'an in Russian and in Arabic;

2) Persian calendar (Farvardin, Ordibekhesht and others like them);

3) the Jewish calendar (all these markheshvans, kislevs, the first and second Adars);

4) the logos of many different car brands (the red face of the ram is Dodge, and the white is RAM ...); However, it is impossible to know all the cars in the world;

Mitch

@alphabet those psych descriptions are so interesting. I had never heard about 'splitting' in BPD. The main symptoms all seemed to be ... perfectly rational reactions to instability in others (like a drug addicted parent who comes in and out, or parents who fight all the time).

Alexander

@Mitch if it's deliberate, then yes. If it's unintentional, then it can be somehow forgiven. Everyone has the right to live including bacteria.

Mitch

and I had never delved into the further things like splitting.

@Alexander I'm not sure one can ascribe intention, as we apply it to other humans, to bacteria.

Alexander

what is ascribe

Mitch

So are you saying 'don't use antibiotics because it will kill germs?'

@Alexander a short word with the right grammar to express 'see intention in'.

Alexander

22:40

@Mitch bolshoyvopros.ru/questions/… I can also translate it.

alphabet

@Mitch That sort of childhood trauma is, in fact, the biggest risk factor for BPD.

Mitch

@Alexander To be honest, I have always been fearful of visiting '.ru' sites, because of a whole bunch of popups I got years ago when visiting one.

Alexander

@Mitch I use my AdblockPlus to block them.

There is a sixth commandment: “Thou shalt not kill.”

I have a question: who knows if this commandment applies only to people? Is there any evidence for this that only people cannot be killed, but other creatures are quite possible?

I will give my reasoning. It seems to me that this is not so. That is, the commandment “thou shalt not kill,” in theory, according to normal logic, applies to all God’s creatures, and this includes all living beings, whatever they may be.

God created all creatures with equal rights. He said that everyone should live in peace and harmony and not offend each oth…

Sorry, too lazy to correct mistakes this time.

Mitch

@alphabet I also cynically infer that the symptoms of BPD seem awfully similar to the feelings (I imagine) experienced by the very dependent mistress of a psychiatrist who is trying to break up with her.

@Alexander Uh, actually, painkillers (by which I presume you mean things like aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, and even opiates) do not kill anything at all in the body. They are either antinflammatory (reduce inflammation that can cause head or muscle aches) or act on neural receptors to reduce pain.

Alexander

@Mitch In fact, out site is extremely interesting. You can't quote anyone. If you do such a thing, you'll get blocked and banned. Believe it or not. That's why I love it!

Mitch

22:47

In fact, inflammation itself is a immune system response to foreign agents in the body which can incapacitate viruses.

So in fact, by taking aspirin you may be saving some viruses.

Alexander

@Mitch Well, it was a shame I didn't know it before posting my question. I know it by now.

Mitch

I have a hard time thinking of viruses as a living thing... sure it is waves hands biological, and it has DNA sort of, but... I don't know.

Alexander

@Mitch yeah, a virus is not quite a living thing. So you are right!

Trust me, I do know some biology.

Mitch

OK well... you should take aspirin for a headache anyway, not just to save the viruses.

@alphabet how did you find the verywell article on splitting? the main BPD page doesn't link to it at all.

Alexander

Глава вторая. Шестеро усталых, квёлых, никчёмных, притихших, жалких, стройных, великолепных англосаксов уныло брели по лесу. Это были: сынуля (всё ещё в Коми), папик, Леди Баг, Супер-Кот, еврей и еврейка.
Глава третья. И тут из чащи на них внезапно выскочили три мерзких, противных, гадких, паршивых, отвратительных, вредных француза. Это были Режинальд Фронт де Бёф (герцог де ля Бык), Бриан де Буагильбер (маркиз де ля Кис) и Морис де Браси (барон де ля Свин). «Ха-а-а-а-а! Попались!» - злорадно заорали они. Затем негодные французы сгребли всех англичан в кучу и наглухо заперли их в сортире.

Alexander

23:13

If anyone wonders what that bullshit is, it's "Ivanhoe" by Walter Scott. My own conception.

alphabet

23:50

@Mitch To be honest: Alexander's behavior reminded me a lot of the protagonist of Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, who is diagnosed with BPD and gives, I'm told, a fairly accurate representation of its symptoms.

I think I learned the term "idealization and devaluation" from there, so I googled it and found the list I cited above.

But I am--and this may shock you--not a psychiatrist. This raccoon is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

Robusto

@Mitch Who says I eat PB&Js for lunch? I said I sometimes have one for breakfast.

alphabet

You know what's really good? PB&J's made with orange marmalade.

Robusto

@alphabet Meh. You can have that.

alphabet

@Robusto Try one. If you don't like it, just deposit it in the trash.

Robusto

@alphabet If I don't like it, my wife will eat it. Sorry.

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