English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Robusto

01:06

Rootl game #312

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CowperKettle

02:24

CowperKettle

03:06

Etymology of the day: to vamoose - "to decamp, be off," 1834, from Spanish vamos "let us go," from Latin vadamus, first person plural indicative or subjunctive of vadere "to go, to walk, go hastily," from PIE root *wadh- (2) "to go" (source also of Old English wadan "to go," Latin vadum "ford;" see wade (v.)).

misk94555

03:20

@CowperKettle Can you give an example where it's used in a sentence?

alphabet

04:14

Re my discussion of bad EFL videos: out of curiosity, I watched a few attempts by YouTubers to explain how /t/ and /d/ are pronounced in American English. They manage to all find different ways of being wrong, many of them incredibly stupid.

alphabet

04:30

The most irksome mistake is claiming that the /t/ in words like metal "becomes a /d/ sound." No. Nobody pronounces the /t/ in data like the /d/ at the start of that word.

jlliagre

05:47

@CowperKettle Let's vamoose, literally "Let's let's go" :-)

Xanne

07:17

I recall hearing “vamoose” in Westerns, e.g. radio broadcasts of the Lone Ranger. Tanto uses vamoose.

Netflix’s 3 Body Problem is quite good, if you like sci-fi.

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CowperKettle

08:04

Word of the day: jugaad, Borrowed from Hindi जुगाड़ (jugāṛ)

SmokeDetector

10:01

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CowperKettle

10:35

Wow, I've logged in on my phone during work

I can see no option for uploading photos, though

I entered this last message by talking, first speech recognition. Тру спич recognition. Through speech recognition

I found it hard to pronounce the word through the right way

Where is almost no snow around. And some birds are actually chirping. I think alpedal to the senturnal кома Привет I think I'll pedal to the center now.

LOL

Mitch

13:52

@CowperKettle Sure, but what does it mean?

Robusto

@Mitch "Jury-rigged"? "Jerry-rigged"?

Mitch

@Robusto Yes, very near to that, or even subsumes that:

> Jugaad is a Hindi word that means frugal innovation, or a "hack". It can also refer to a simple work-around, a solution that goes against the rules, or a resource that can be used in such a way. For example, you might describe carpooling as "jugaad", if your partner gives you a "missed call" in the morning to indicate they've left and are on their way to pick you up.

Robusto

Sounds like a Red Green innovation: "If it's stuck and it ain't s'posed to be, use WD40. If it ain't stuck and it oughta be, use duct tape."

Conrado

14:08

@Mitch I was going to ask the same thing; I don't know how to use G-Translate for Hindi--it just gave the same thing in the "English" box.

But the picture of the bicycle mud-flap says to me: "Engineer"

And "if it isn't broken, we'd better add some more features"

Conrado

14:21

"Through" is a hard word to say, I think.

Like "Rueda" in Spanish

Xander Henderson

14:40

#WhenTaken #42 (09.04.2024)

I scored 870/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 4 km - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 198 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 9 km - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 197 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 169 km - 🗓️ 9 yrs - ⚡ 180 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 19 km - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 196 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 15222 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 99 / 200

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ARG! I WAS DOING SO WELL!

Stupid last photo! Darn you! Darn you to heck!

alphabet

15:06

@Robusto The handyman's secret weapon! (Growing up, my dad and I spent a lot of time watching old episodes of that show on DVD.)

I'm a raccoon, but I can change, if I have to, I guess.

Robusto

#WhenTaken #42 (09.04.2024)

I scored 891/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 2 km - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 197 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 953 km - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 168 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 163 km - 🗓️ 17 yrs - ⚡ 157 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 4 km - 🗓️ 12 yrs - ⚡ 179 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 57 km - 🗓️ 6 yrs - ⚡ 190 / 200

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@alphabet The reruns were on some PBS station in Boston, but the schedule was not altogether reliable. I enjoyed them very much.

"If the ladies don't find you handsome, at least they should find you handy."

alphabet

15:27

@Robusto It was how I learned to be a man. Incidentally, there are like five things in my apartment broken due to failed or incomplete attempts to DIY things.

CowperKettle

15:49

I wonder what's written there.

I snapped this photo today

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Mitch

16:15

@CowperKettle I OCR'd and got the korean: "아시아 스트리트 칠한"

I google translated and got "asian street painted"

The print above it says in English "ASIA ST x", and the x looks like an asian character but not recognizably Chinese, Japanese or Korean to me so I can't tell what it is, but it is not the same character as the Korean just below.

It looks like the name of a company but I am unsure.

Xander Henderson

Are you sure it doesn't say ASIA ST71?

Mitch

@DannyuNDos Can you tell what the back of the woman's coat means?

Xander Henderson

Asia St 71 seems to be a Russian clothing brand.

Mitch

@XanderHenderson I'm not sure of anything. Yes, it could definitely be 71 and the lock of hair is making me think it is an Asian character.

@XanderHenderson That makes sense.

I was going to ask @CowperKettle if the woman had an East Asian looking face (and had presumably dyed her hair).

Conrado

Perhaps it says "ASIA ST/1", and the vertically oriented wrinkle in the cloth immediately to the left of the "1" upsets the kerning.

Mitch

16:25

@Conrado If "Asia St 71" is a clothing brand in Russia, it seems plausible that the jacket is from there, rather than my misreading the number (or misusing google translate/OCR)

This whole fun detective work that would be child's play if I only knew something leads me to believe...

That there is a lot of appeal for foreign things in Russia just like in other European places.

Xander Henderson

Pretty sure that @CowperKettle is in Russia.

The sign on the building in the background is certainly Russian.

Robusto

Metaphor or simile? You be the judge: "The bay crawled with whitecaps like maggots seething in a bright wound … " (From The Shipping News by Annie Proulx)

@XanderHenderson I think Rabota is work.

Some form of it, anyway.

Not to be confused with Robusto, either in spelling or demeanor.

Xander Henderson

@Robusto Yes, that is correct.

CowperKettle

According to the USSR census of 1970, Germans comprised 6.5% of population of Kazakhstan, and Ukrainians, 7.2%.

Russians comprised over 42%, and Kazakhs, 32%

Robusto

16:46

@CowperKettle Yay! Correct use of comprise. Kudos!

CowperKettle

The phone holder works quite well

Because this navigation app constantly makes mistakes in its voice prompting

So it's better to always have the screen available

CowperKettle

17:13

Six Days On The Road

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Conrado

17:26

@jlliagre Those folks in the comic are Inca, I take from the earflaps and the mountainous land forms. I've always wondered how Incan comics might have stereotyped Caucasian astronomy.

I mean, in the stories they always chose the eclipse days for their human sacrifice, and then we are supposed to believe that somehow it was pure chance--they didn't have any idea that this was going to happen and so on, and our hero, having fortuitously memorized the almanac, could do the trigonometry in his head.

It seemed much more likely that the Incas had consulted their own almanac previously, and, having ascertained that a total eclipse was due, scheduled the sacrifice at the proper time and were all waiting expectantly for the proper occultation in order to perform the ceremony correctly.

Mitch

@Conrado and be lucky enough that the timing was right when they were about to be executed.

@Conrado Oh.

So -everyone- in the picture knew what was going to happen.

Except for blistering barnacles Cap'n Haddock.

Robusto

And the Incas were wailing and fleeing because they were right about the eclipse?

Mitch

So everyone was running around wild because OMG what a total idiot they've put into the boiling pot. It's only halal to cook a person if they are smart enough.

Conrado

Yes, most unfortunate blighter: bein' ignorant of sin cos and tan, he couldn't figure the location where there would be a total eclipse, and the proper time. Perhaps he had also neglected to read the almanac.

Dannyu NDos

@Mitch Yeah, that's a failed attempt to translate "Asia St 71".

Mitch

17:33

@Robusto You only cook someone who can appreciate what's happening to them.

Dannyu NDos

Should be "아시아 71번가".

Mitch

Nice. Thanks.

Conrado

@Robusto That was the part where we were meant to believe that the Incas knew nothing of the stars and so were easily duped. As though our own (speaking as a Brit) Analytical Engines and (speaking now as a Pennsylvanian--I am that, too!) ENIACs somehow by dint of good fortune (from the gods of hard work and merciless experimentation) had gotten at the kernel of reality, while they, poor fellows, were bound in the darkness of spirituality, and therefore could not really know a thing as it is.

Stereotyping and handwavium together. Rather disagreeable, now that I think of 'em that way.

Robusto

@Mitch So ... turkeys are sentient when they go into the oven?

Mitch

@Robusto In Incan ethics. Not ours.

Robusto

17:42

@Conrado Yes, I understand that. I was responding to Mitch's assertion that "everyone in the picture knew what was going to happen."

Mitch

@Conrado It was a different era?

Robusto

Once again, Mitch takes the conversation off the rails. We should charge him for that.

Mitch

@Robusto I'm putting the conversation on the -right- rails.

You should all pay me.

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please please please let the gaslighting work

Conrado

Yes about the different era, but maybe not different enough: I'm not sure we're that much further ahead with our QC and AI and stuff...

Robusto

@Mitch fishes in pockets Sorry, no change.

Mitch

17:45

dammit

Conrado

Er--about the pay: Espera sentado, porque parado te vas a cansar.

Sit down to wait, because you'll get tired standing, as Sancho Panza may have said.

Mitch

I don't think you want to hear me sing.

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Robusto

@Conrado Si estás esperando un centavo, espera sentado.

Mitch

Sic semper tyrannis

Robusto

Sick.

Conrado

17:47

@Robusto Yes, yes, that is the one! I never heard it that way.

Xander Henderson

If John Wilkes Booth Ran for President

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Mitch

Speaking of which, that don't tread on me guy on the flag is a snake.

Xander Henderson

@Mitch A venomous rattlesnake, even.

Mitch

All creatures are wonderful and all that shit, but snakes man... why does it have to be snakes?

Xander Henderson

Snakes are great.

Robusto

17:49

@Conrado Yeah, I just made that up (because of the rhyme).

Mitch

So everyone is projecting themselves as the snake, and the worst they can imagine is being stepped on?

I think that's an imbalanced trade.

Xander Henderson

@Mitch No. It is about the fact that rattlesnakes are venomous, and if you step on one, it will f*ck you up.

"Don't step on me, because I will f*ck*ng end you!"

Robusto

@XanderHenderson You can say fuck in this chat. Read the subhead on the top right.

Mitch

@XanderHenderson Sure, but the patriotic metaphor is that you, loyal follower of New Hampshire sovreinty and rights, should identify with snakes and all the evil backhanded belly-sliding metaphors?

Robusto

What I'm really saying is, if you're going to say fuck at least spell it right.

Mitch

17:51

@Robusto eff that ess

Xander Henderson

@Robusto I may, but I choose not to.

Robusto

I don't think you can.

Mitch

Is that a dare?

Robusto

Make of it what you will.

Xander Henderson

@Robusto You might be right. You have to remember that I teach at a community college in a state that is hostile to higher ed, and that a large number of my students are super conservative LDS-types.

Mitch

17:53

I'm maneuvering towards that.

Xander Henderson

I try to be careful with my language.

Robusto

@XanderHenderson We are not LDS types.

Mitch

@Robusto Easy for you to say. I've been hallucinating since I showed up here.

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Xander Henderson

@Robusto Yes, but I prefer to maintain the habits which are also useful in my day-to-day.

Mitch

In fact I have no idea what youre saying, I'm jus responding how I've projected the conversation from weeks ago.

@XanderHenderson Same.

Robusto

17:54

But please accept my condolences. I would hate to be around so many conservative religious weirdos.

Mitch

@Robusto No, you're the weirdo.

Xander Henderson

@Robusto Yeah, but I get to live in one of the most beautiful landscapes in the world, so there are upsides. :D

Robusto

@Mitch We put Kool-aid in the acid here.

Mitch

@Mitch No, -you're- the weirdo.

@Robusto Do you have sugar-free?

Robusto

@XanderHenderson Well ... I live in a gorgeous landscape and I manage to avoid the religiosity just fine.

Mitch

17:56

I'd like mine sugar-free.

Conrado

@Robusto On the internet, no one knows you're a ___

Robusto

@Mitch Damn. We're fresh out.

@Conrado ... dog.

@Conrado To show you how old I am, I read that cartoon when it came out.

Conrado

or LDS

Mitch

@Robusto Just as well. I don't like sugar-free.

Robusto

@Mitch is dyslexic. Or tripping. Or both.

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Mitch

17:59

@Robusto I'm so old, I remember thinking that wouldn't it by mildly witty if the New Yorker had a cartoon about this new fancy 'Internet superhighway' thing that I could paste to my cubicle message board.

And then years later, well after having forgotten this, someone showed me the cartoon.

What I'm saying is, I'm old enough to deliriously invent this entire exchange.

Robusto

I'm so old that I was geeky before it was cool.

Mitch

@Robusto Despite what the movies tell you, it's still not cool.

Robusto

@XanderHenderson I'm saying you did say fuck, you just spelled it wrong.

Mitch

Wait... the movies tell you straight to your face that it's never been cool.

Conrado

OK, ok, you may be old folks, but you're still good kids. Right? ... Right?

Robusto

18:02

@Mitch Then welcome to the club. You'll find friends here.

Well, maybe not friends. Kindred spirits.

Unpopular geeks?

Yes, all of that.

Mitch

You have to poison yourself with gamma rays or secret government lab chemicals or sell arms to third world countries to become cool.

Robusto

Well, two out of three ain't bad.

Mitch

The question as always is which one didn't make the cut.

Robusto

I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

Mitch

checks arms dealer box

Robusto

18:04

Damn.

Mitch

Wait... this is a club? I thought we were more of an asynchronous association with informal guidelines only softly coordinating verbal behavior.

And no actual treehouse

Robusto

The no treehouse part is correct.

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18:45

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jlliagre

21:24

@MetaEd Stylish.

user 85795

as usual

user 85795

21:50

@Mitch me too

Dannyu NDos

They say a heavily armored knight is indistinguishable from a robot.

user 85795

who are "they"

Dannyu NDos

Some random people, possibly nonexistent.

alphabet

22:20

@Mitch I thought we were a cult. Did I spend all that money on a branding iron for nothing?

user 85795

we are the "they"

we traded in the branding irons for tattoos

due to scar tissue build-up complaints

Mitch

22:48

@alphabet You probably did pay too much for the iron.

But your face 'art', somehow you really pull that off.

But a bunch of people blowing air into the void? If we cared enough, we could aspire to culthood.

But...

You know...

Looking into the abyss?

user 85795

it stares back

Mitch

The abyss... It has better things to do than look back at one sullen dude.

It's not staring. It's near-sighted and is trying to make out features

user 85795

does it have time to chat

Mitch

@user85795 oh sure. A little human interaction does a body good

A black immaterial body too

Abysses are people too.

user 85795

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Some random people, possibly nonexistent.

are they^ people too

Mitch

23:23

Depends on how random

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user 85795

or how nonexistent

Robusto

23:47

Fake etymology of the day: lessee The person who, when a landlord tells them there is a property to rent says: "Yeah? Lessee it."

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