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@Robusto if say you rode on the back of someone else's bike does that count as negative?
@tchrist is that an actual thing?
@alphabet that's why alumnx is preferable
> Up, lad: thews that lie and cumber
Sunlit pallets never thrive;
Morns abed and daylight slumber
Were not meant for man alive.
Each time I see my cat in this position, I recall this stanza
@Mitch I believe the PC term is "people who benefit from unjust educational privilege."
00:23
@Mitch No, it's illegal. It's just a hieroglyphic.
@CowperKettle I feel like you want to admit that the cat is the author of all the poetry you post here
@tchrist Egyptians use hieroglyphics for thousands of years and weren't indicted in any court of law I've ever heard of.
@Mitch Jst chldsh stpdt.
@tchrist even the devil can quote scripture
yuck.
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00:30
Try again.
These things have rules. You can't just jam random stupid letters together and lie that these represent English words. They do not. They're garbage games for kids.
> [ts] is not a possible onset
@DannyuNDos Not in English, that is correct.
Yeah, but English borrowed tsunami?
It's our phonotactics that these lawbreakers would embarrass us with.
@DannyuNDos The T is silent.
It's just a sunami.
Oh, what about this?:
00:34
What, not ngonvintp yet?
Dude, we can't say those.
There is no P is psychic, either.
No English word can start with /ps/.
Any more than it can with /ts/.
@tchrist silen?
Creating more things whose cthpellings do not represent their pkrunicatioptns belongs in the problem set, not the solution set. Don't do that.
That's why Latinxs is insulting to every breathing human being, even those who can't figure out how to pronounce castellano.
00:52
@Laurel Hilarious!
@Mitch Hmm. I hadn't considered that, but it sounds about right.
01:16
That's math!
Word of the day: horndog - a specialty hotdog with very hot sauce
"Phone chargers in the Netherlands"
@CowperKettle What is that implying? I'm very slow tonight.
@tchrist People are using swings to charge their phones
There are electric generators in the swings
Oh thanks, I couldn't resolve that detail. I thought the two people were somewhere farther back behind it.
@Robusto Thanks, I'll check that out
I'm now looking for new Ukrainian songs to load into my player
I found this one to be good for jogging
Tricky question: What's wrong with that map?
ME: 42° 58′ N to 47° 28′ N
IL: 36° 58′ N to 42° 30′ N
MN: 43° 30′ N to 49° 23′ N
WA: 45° 33′ N to 49° N
Maine is far too far north. It should absolutely not be above Minnesota, and its bottom should start just past the top of Illinois.
Because straight east-west lines of latitude are not represented by straight lines in this projection.
@alphabet Interestingly, I Googled yesterday only to check where they are found. They are found mostly all of the world except a few locations like Madagascar, Antarctica, Australia. They were introduced to Australia by others.
That's a different kind of projection. It doesn't change what your mind thinks of how latitude works. But it will eventually distort farther out.
It allows you to truly see where Maine sits as far as its latitude compared with the other states.
02:00
Never knew there was a Korean knockoff of Energizer Ultimate Lithium.
@alphabet, Uhm my bad. It seems like I confused them with Indian palm squirrels. They are not chipmunks 🙁
> The Indian palm squirrel or three-striped palm squirrel (Funambulus palmarum) is a species of rodent in the family Sciuridae found naturally in India (south of the Vindhyas) and Sri Lanka. In the late 19th century, the palm squirrel was introduced to Madagascar, Réunion, Mayotte, Comoro Islands, Mauritius, and Seychelles.
I confused because I read it somewhere:
> Chipmunks are small mammals with distinct stripes, while the tree squirrel is larger and doesn't have stripes.
Seems like stripes are not enough to be a chipmunk.
02:41
@Vikas Yeah, sounds like that was the source of my confusion. They aren't technically chipmunks, so if you look up the range of chipmunks online, it won't include India.
03:10
Seriously? Who calls the animal police on a raccoon for...sleeping outside?
03:41
Did I mention I have a new favorite grocery store?
I need a cheddar bunker.
 
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Wordle 973 4/6

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10:32
As a kid, I would pronounce PURE as something like "poore" or "power". It was usually written on Ghee products, like PURE GHEE.

Similarly, my cousin would pronounce PAUSE (commonly used in games to pause the game) as something like "piyush" (which is also a Hindi male name).

I corrected myself and corrected him as well in following months :)
 
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12:53
:)
I also mangled pronunciation, especially in computer games
14:42
@CowperKettle hey if even native speakers do it, us secluded speakers don't stand a chance.
I was feeling good in the morning, but now I don't feel like I'm in reality again. Affect and poor thinking, and extreme vulnerability
@M.A.R. Yes, but once I started listening to BBC Radio, it got vastly better :)
Hyperbowl. Awwry.
@CowperKettle hey I'm sometimes like that and I don't have any concerns about depression or epilepsy
I wonder what exactly crashes my brain. I so much wish I would have a lot of sensors everywhere, and a log file to look into
@M.A.R. I'm calling this condition стеклоглаз (glass-eye), like with a person whose eyes have glazed over because he is in a state of affect (emotion) and confusion.
It's a mentally painful condition, and it has been especially strong when my cortisol spiked to 150% of the upper limit.
I'm thinking of taking some drug to lower cortisol levels; I've compiled a list.
@CowperKettle Funny that glaz (eye) in Russian and glass in English are so similar.
@CowperKettle I awoke to +9F/–13C this morning, with 4 inches of pristine fluffy new snow powder draping over the landscape atop what was already there. Now that the daystar has launched itself into immaculate cobalt skies everything is all sparkling and shimmering with glints blue and white catching the eye everywhere.
15:28
@alphabet Well, not necessarily. And I fail to see how one might make Latin nouns inclusive in the contemporary sense of the word...
15:41
@Mitch What would S. Thomas of Aquinas say? But if you want to twist Latin, it's got to be pronounceable: alumnix. ha ha
@Mitch I have to post a picture of my cat She only lies on her back, paws up, in the summer. So, Russian cats are different that way? :)
@Lambie I have heard some using the abbreviated form "alums," which has the advantage of lacking a gendered suffix despite being rather informal.
It certainly sounds better than the alternatives.
16:07
@Lambie The year is 2050, and inclusivity has been finally achieved: all words end with an "x." The racial wealth gap hasn't changed, since adding the "x"s was easier.
@Lambie Sir Thomas of English Muffins surmises that the complex consonant cluster causes consternation. So I will concede that 'alumsk' would be the usual pronunciation.
@Lambie I really shouldn't try to speak for all Russian cats, but as an old white male, I recognize that despite all the shilly-shallying about entitlement, everyone will grant me the privilege out of habit.
So I'll just speak for the one Russian cat I know personally (because of we're being realistic here, cats refuse to speak up for themselves, they will also lie on their backs with feet awkwardly pointed up in the air.
It's for the belly rubs.
I mean Russian cats don't just lie there all the time, they have stuff to do
Unlike American cats who smile idiotically and ask you your income.
German cats will judge you based on what kind of car you have.
They'll still shred the leather seats if you give them a chance.
I mean they're cats.
@alphabet For masc. and fem. nouns that are not people, that is no longer in the case.
To be honest, I'm pretty wary of giving any cat a belly rub. You're putting your hand in the middle of ... counts on fingers ... 20 razor sharp claws, plus ... just guessing now ... 20 razor sharp teeth.
Have you seen those videos of a cat and a snake and who has the faster reflexes?
Spoiler alert: it's the cat.
16:22
@alphabet Yes, one hears alums all over the place. But when I hear alum, it makes me think of pickling or the chemical component.
If you go in for the belly rub, you're not getting your hand back.
@Lambie It makes me think of the ultra-crunchy natural deodorant types: healthline.com/health/crystal-deodorant
@Mitch Mitchie, I protest that vehemently. My cat's claws are kept trimmed by her Mom. (Oh shit, I gave that away, didn't I?)
@Lambie omg 'Mom' must have the self control of steel something. Or you give the cat sedatives.
I'm pretty sure I have at least one literal scar from trying to take a cat on a walk with a leash.
But clipping cat nails? That sounds like...
16:29
...like sharpening 20 knives on a running chain saw
@Mitch Well, you're not a cat person, are you? One extreme example is that awful woman Wildenstein, the cat woman. "The judge stipulated that she could not use any alimony payments for further cosmetic surgery." I bet she doesn't trim her nails. Yep, I'm definitely othering her.
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17:21
@Lambie no I am not a cat person in the sense that I have not had extensive facial plastic surgery that some people think makes me look like a cat.
But to be honest I don't think I'd be comfortable trimming her nails either.
18:09
@MetaEd E jois m’es dols e plazers m’es dolors!
OK< how about this: Everyone. I went to google, I typed in Notre Dame de Paris+ Victor Hugo site:.fr The results on the first page were all in English on .fr sites and I had the damndest time getting good French hits. This has not happened to me before. Is this cultural imperialism OR google antics?
To get hits only in French, I added "texte" with an e, and voilà, I did get some. What a thing. Geesus.
> Atressi con l’orifanz,
Que quant chai no-s pot levar
Tro li autre, ab lor cridar,
De lor voz lo levon sus,
Et eu voill segre aquel us,
Que mos mesfaitz es tan greus e pesanz
Que si la cortz del Puoi e lo bobanz
E l’adreitz pretz dels lials amadors
No-m relevon, iamais non serai sors,
Que deingnesson per mi clamar merce
Lai on preiars ni merces no-m val re.

E s’ieu per los fis amanz
Non puosc en ioi retornar,
Per tostemps lais mon chantar,
Que de mi no-i a ren plus,
Anz viurai com lo reclus,
Sols, ses solatz, c’aitals es mos talans,
Written by Rigaut de Berbezilh.
The troubadour.
> Il romanzo tardo-medievale completa una catena testuale generata dalla canzone di Rigaut che tocca forse un episodio del Lancelot du Lac per concretarsi nella razo di P e nel racconto ʟxɪᴠ del Novellino.
From “Destini di un motivo gallo-romanzo: Atressi con l’orifanz tra Italia e Catalogna” by Cecilia Cantalupi.
I find little written about this in English, only in French or Catalan or Occitan or Italian.
> Destini di un motivo gallo-romanzo: Atressi con l'orifanz tra Italia e Catalogna, in «Francofonie medievali. Lingue e letterature gallo-romanze fuori di Francia (sec. XII-XV)», 2016, pp. 185-208
Rigaud de Berbezilh (fl. 1140-1163) èra un trobador occitan de la pichona noblessa de Sentonge. Mai o mens quinze de sos poèmas subrevivon, dont un planh e nòu o dètz cansos.Coma d'autres trobadors, Rigaud visitèt la cort d'Alienòr d'Aquitània a Peitieus.Existisson mantes variacions de son nom, inclusent: En occitan modèrne - Richaud, Richard, de Barbesieu En occitan ancian - Rigaut, Richaut, Richart, Berbesieu, Berbesseil, Berbezils, Barbesiu, Barbezilh, Berbezill En francés - Rigaud de Barbezieux En latin - Rigaudus de Berbezillo == Biografia == Las datas de sa vida son contestadas, per d'unes...
> Rigaut viene anche citato nel Roman de la Rose.
Le Roman de la Rose (The Romance of the Rose) is a medieval poem written in Old French and presented as an allegorical dream vision. As poetry, The Romance of the Rose is a notable instance of courtly literature, purporting to provide a "mirror of love" in which the whole art of romantic love is disclosed. Its two authors conceived it as a psychological allegory; throughout the Lover's quest, the word Rose is used both as the name of the titular lady and as an abstract symbol of female sexuality. The names of the other characters function both as personal names and as metonyms illustrating the...
Sep 17, 2012 at 12:07, by tchrist
Stat rosa pristina nomine; nomina nuda tenemus.
18:54
Yeah, the last line of The Name of the Rose, by the dearly departed Umberto Eco. (I know the topic is all very complicated and is laid out pretty well in Wikipedia). I just love: Penitenziagite from that poor Salvatore.
19:12
Blossom Puzzle, February 17
Letters: C E F D I N O
My score: 341 points
My longest word: 11 letters
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19:41
Word of the day: thrusted. The regular past-tense form "thrusted" appears to be gaining in popularity, according to Ngram; it's even shown up in the Times.
Daily Octordle #754
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Score: 58
Daily Sequence Octordle #754
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20:03
Blossom Puzzle, February 17
Letters: C E F D I N O
My score: 375 points
My longest word: 14 letters
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@M.A.R. Good job!
First shot out of the box and you're already a Blossom Boss!
Likewise heaved has overtaken hove.
They say generally fast learners have a good start @Robusto
@user85795 @M.A.R. is definitely that. And has an amazing ability in English for someone who grew up speaking not only a different language, but one that has few if any similarities. Like I said about Japanese when I began to learn it, compared to that, European languages might as well be English since they were so similar. Even English words once put through the sausage-grinder of Japanese can become unrecognizable.
20:21
I have to make a retraction... I used to claim all the time that the word 'infeed' was not a word used by any sane sober modern speaker of American English.
I retract that assertion. I'm hearing all the time now normal people in normal circumstances using it in normal sentences.
Example sentence(s) please.
Also I apologize for this.
For my mistake not for people using it.
I -and- sorry for them using it but that's a different issue.
@user85795 oh.
Uh
Dang
Well, if you're inbreeding you might as well be infeeding?
You want actual evidence?
Hm
That's work and shit that I don't have time for
I just heard it on an interview on the news
@user85795 haha that's funny even if I don't understand what that means
Just because the media uses the word doesn't make it acceptable, does it?
20:27
Feb 6 at 16:40, by Mitch
@M.A.R. What's black and white and red all over?
@Mitch How magnanimous of you to admit creatively uneducated preschoolers into the ranks of normal people.
Perhaps uneducated preschoolers are more street smart than the ivory tower denizens estimated.
Riotous creativity in language has always been the sole domain of the extremely young. It's part of the initial acquisition process.
@M.A.R. That's racist.
Just mixed blood
And may I add as maturation progresses creativity becomes how well one knows how to hide your sources.
20:36
@CowperKettle come on. I mean, come on
No, I'm talking about something different, something inventive and novel, never before seen in the world, not just the veiled plagiarism of ChatGPT. There are many manifestations of that fecund font of linguistic invention that very young children show. Here's just one small illustration of this among many:
Cryptophasia is the phenomenon of a language developed by twins (identical or fraternal) that only the two children can understand. The word has its roots from the Greek crypto-, meaning secret, and -phasia, meaning speech. Most linguists associate cryptophasia with idioglossia, which is any language used by only one, or very few, people. Cryptophasia differs from idioglossia on including mirrored actions like twin-walk and identical mannerisms. == Classification == It has been reported that up to 50% of young twins will have their own twin language which they use to communicate only with each...
> At birth, the infant brain can perceive the full set of 800 or so sounds, called phonemes, that can be strung together to form all the words in every language of the world. During the second half of the first year, our research shows, a mysterious door opens in the child's brain.
That's another. But these pathways are closed off with age. It's a necessary pruning.
icic
The old dogs and new tricks barrier.
20:52
Playfulness almost always increases as an animal becomes younger. Counterexamples exist, but they are the exception not the rule.
The gamification of learning feeds on that idea.
The so called chocolate covered broccoli approach.
What rhymes with /hʊvd/?
I give up, what?
The FOOT vowel is too uncommon to find easy rhymes in those of us with the FOOT–STRUT split, but roofed comes close. One could imagine a rooved with full voicing of the fricative that retains the FOOT vowel.
The OED says that rooved is a comparatively rare spelling. But that doesn't address its rhyme, or that of words spelled roofed.
Trying to find rhymes to footed is equally challenging.
And no, wooded doesn't quite count.
Close, though. But the voicing of the consonant ruins it.
I think sooted is all there is.
21:12
How did this curiosity arise?
Doggerel.
Sounds challenging.
21:29
@M.A.R. I dunno. English loanwords in Japanese?
@tchrist Hey, love me, love my doggerel.
@tchrist thank you for recognizing my superlatively
Except...
Dang
I'm really sorry
Really really sorry
I don't mean to say 'infeed'
I mean to say 'indeed'
'indeed' is the word that is actually a word and not not a word as I had previously claimed.
'infeed' is definitely -not- a word.
Not previously and still not now
Sorry for the confusion.
My mistake
Poor phone typing skills and poor proofreading.
@tchrist Very poetic! It was minus 26C here on yesterday's morning; my toes froze numb after I've run a total of 10 km :)
Re creatively uneducated preschoolers though, I mean it's right there in the word, preschoolers have not been educated yet.
Yesterday's sunrise at minus 26C
21:44
@tchrist Is that supposed to be an actual word? Does it mean having at least one /hʊf/?
@tchrist Cool!
> June and Jennifer Gibbons were twin sisters living in Wales whose language was an example of cryptophasia and was exemplified by the twins' simultaneous actions, which often mirrored each other.
When a chemist froze himself at -273.15°C people called him crazy, he replied I'm 0K.
21:56
in Ten fold, Feb 13 at 12:45, by Nick Cox
I have in this place mentioned the Fallacy of Internet Entitlement, which runs that I have a question on the internet, so it's someone's duty to answer it in the way I want. If people cavil at my question, they're clearly obnoxious and I can be as rude as I like in return. As someone with English as my first language, I bridle myself at "I require your assistance" as a way of saying "I would be grareful for your help">
@Mitch thnx
Which is as mainstream as I can think. My distaste for the word 'indeed' was, indeed, blinding me to it's prevalence.
@user85795 Bitte.
Also a job search app.
@Robusto Thank you! I'll read it later. At 2:57 am, my mind is out of gear
@user85795 Karibu.
@CowperKettle it's taking a thousand words to say it's cold
21:59
@Mitch Did you count them?
F***ing barbarian is what you are.
> The snow came down last night like moths
Burned on the moon; it fell till dawn,
Covered the town with simple cloths.

Absolute snow lies rumpled on
What shellbursts scattered and deranged,
Entangled railings, crevassed lawn.
@Robusto they will be elected into office soon, pal
Circle the wagons.
@user85795 Let's hope not.
Hope for the best.
Results from MIT:
Can you imagine being the 100th best Putnam participant in the entire country and yet having like 85 classmates at your school score better than you?
22:19
@user85795 It's easy to be a small-fry at some schools.
Electric capacity to be added in the US in 2024:
With 8 billion people in the world, there are probably thousands if not millions of people better than you are at anything you think you're good at.
And soon there will be AI entities, too
I won't hold my breath.
@Mitch Yes, yes of course.
22:21
"Перед смертью не надышишься"
"a deep breath won't postpone death"
A Russian saying.
@CowperKettle In English it would be: "Where there's life, there's hope."
More optimistic.
This Russian saying is used jocularly, for instance, when a student is trying to cram up all the material he failed to study upon, in the last day (night) before the exam
Yup, it sounds more desperate to me.
Been there, done that.
@CowperKettle I could never understand people who crammed for exams. And they could never understand me, going to bed early or at least on time. If you study all along then you don't need cramming, which is a poor substitute at best.
@Mitch Like how the well-hooved path leading into the well-wolved forest leads not out again from that dark demesne of the wicked witch.
For the gingerbread-rooved cottage is too attractive a lure.
22:29
And yet Sora was launched a couple days ago
> How terribly strange / To be seventy!
> Old friends
Old friends
Sat on their park bench
Like bookends
A newspaper blown through the grass
Falls on the round toes
On the high shoes
Of the old friends

Old friends
Winter companions
The old men
Lost in their overcoats
Waiting for the sunset
The sounds of the city
Sifting through trees
Settle like dust
On the shoulders
Of the old friends

Can you imagine us
Years from today
Sharing a park bench quietly?
How terribly strange
To be seventy

Old friends
Memory brushes the same years
Silently sharing the same fear
@tchrist Hahaha, "To be seventy" ... that's what I imagined it to be back when I was 17. I must say, even though I'm older now, I'm not old like that.
22:46
@Robusto Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.
23:24
Dec 7, 2023 at 3:12, by alphabet
And (ideally) someday I too will be old. I plan to become bitter and resentful.
Oct 15, 2023 at 0:07, by alphabet
I can't wait until I'm old enough to be considered "crotchety" instead of "obnoxious"
> "U.S. Fears Russia Might Put a Nuclear Weapon in Space" - NY Times
I think it's "Weapons of Mass Destruction" all other again. Like with Iraq
@CowperKettle Sounds like the sequel to Star Wars
@CowperKettle I would not be concerned that a similar error in intelligence, whether accidental or deliberate, would lead to an outcome similar to the one we saw in the infamous Iraqi misadventure of Bush Jr et al.
> DOJ to give Ukraine $500K worth of forfeited Russian funds
You know, that "K" figure there isn't going to do much. It needs at least an "M" if not a "B".
> Vladislav Inozemtsev is special adviser to the Middle East Media Research Institute’s (MEMRI) Russian Media Studies Project and is director of Moscow-based Center for Post-Industrial Studies.
Still.
23:54
Physalia physalis: order Siphonophora, phylum Cnidaria.
The Ancient Greeks clearly had different mouths than we have.
> Cnidarians were formerly grouped with ctenophores....
See ten-oh-four?
> cteno-: Combining form of Greek κτείς, κτενός a comb, used in the formation of the scientific words below, also of others of less importance, as ctenobranch noun a ctenobranchiate animal. ctenoˈbranchia noun (also cteno-branchiˈata) a family of Mollusca, also called Pectinibranchiata. ctenoˈbranchiate adjective having pectinate gills. ˈctenodont adjective having ctenoid teeth.

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