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@Robusto That's fucking amazing!
> 1941 French Cartoon on the Fall on France and homosexuality
I never knew Proust was homosexual
> Daudet was far from faithful, and was one of a generation of French literary syphilitics.[4] Having lost his virginity at the age of twelve, he then slept with his friends' mistresses throughout his marriage. Daudet would undergo several painful treatments and operations for his subsequently paralyzing disease. His journal entries relating to the pain he experienced from tabes dorsalis are collected in the volume In the Land of Pain, translated by Julian Barnes.
French Literary Syphilitics
A rock group name
In the Land of Pain is a collection of notes by Alphonse Daudet chronicling the pain and suffering he experienced from tabes dorsalis, its effects on his relationships with friends, family, and other people, and the various drugs he took and physical treatments he underwent in his fight against the disease. Daudet originally began making these notes for a projected book, but none of the material was published in his lifetime. He planned to use the title La Doulou, a Provençal word for pain. The collection was published in French in 1930 in a volume titled La Doulou (La Douleur): 1887–1895 et Le...
> Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, author of the Sherlock Holmes stories, completed his doctorate on tabes dorsalis in 1885.
Oil and chemical industry of the day: bunding (Bunding, also called a bund wall, is a constructed retaining wall around storage "where potentially polluting substances are handled, processed or stored, for the purposes of containing any unintended escape of material from that area until such time as a remedial action can be taken.")
> From Hindustani بند‎ / बंद (band), from Classical Persian بند‎ (band).
Lizards of the day: skinks (characterized by their smaller legs in comparison to typical lizards)
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@MetaEd Welcome to the club.
@tchrist Yes, it really is. And so is the guy who composed/played it. /nod
@Laurel Now, don't try to pidginhole me!
@CowperKettle Well, duh.
I entered the term mode (music) into my Anki dictionary, but even under torture I won't be able to explain what it really means
@CowperKettle Modes are like scales, only different. Except the same. Sort of. Modes are like scales except without the same sense of tonality.
> In societies that regard some races or ethnic groups of people as dominant or superior and others as subordinate or inferior, *********** refers to the automatic assignment of children of a mixed union to the subordinate group.
I've answered this question elsewhere. Hold on ...
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A: What is the difference between a mode and a scale?

RobustoSorry, but I have to chime in after all this time. The answers given here, while accurate, convey none of the most critical distinctions, nor of how modes sound to the ear in a way different from scales. And how things sound is what music is all about. Otherwise you may as well describe the diffe...

@Robusto Thanks!
Greek of the day: ἁμαρτία (hamartia) = error. Hence hamartoma, a mostly benign malformation of cells that resembles a neoplasm
The term hamartia derives from the Greek ἁμαρτία, from ἁμαρτάνειν hamartánein, which means "to miss the mark" or "to err". It is most often associated with Greek tragedy, although it is also used in Christian theology. The term is often said to depict the flaws or defects of a character and portraying these as the reason of a potential downfall. However, other critics point to the term's derivation and say that it refers only to a tragic but random accident or mistake, with devastating consequences but with no judgment implied as to the character. == Definition == Hamartia as it pertains...
> Hamartia as it pertains to dramatic literature was first used by Aristotle in his Poetics. In tragedy, hamartia is commonly understood to refer to the protagonist's error that leads to a chain of actions which culminate in a reversal of events from felicity to disaster.
Medical scientists in the 19th century were admirably well-read
> Hamartiology, a branch of Christian theology which is the study of sin,[3] describes sin as an act of offence against God by despising his persons and Christian biblical law, and by injuring others.[4]
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@CowperKettle À l’ombre des jeunes filles en fleurs
 
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@tchrist @Robusto seconded @tchrist. Really fun way to understand a fugue (with those annotations). Pumped me up to continue music theory study into contrapuntal writing!
@tchrist Yes, the sostenuto pedal is very useful for the pedal point in the Prelude. Thanks for the DMA dissertation on it. I might try to play this on the piano too. It's Bach's ingenuity for a piece to transcend the instrument it was originally written. When practicing Bach's Partita or his French Suite, I regularly switch between harpsichord and piano to be more sensitive to his musical intent.
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@Robusto I studied organ in college (along with computer science). My organ professor once challenged me to play a Bach's piece (Trio Sonata No. 1) "blind", after I mastered and memorized the piece. It's not that hard. About the stop changes, for Bach's piece it was not that complex, and practically all organs are now fitted with buttons under the manuals (and above the pedals) for quick change of registration.
@GratefulDisciple When I feel I'm being too free with an interpretation of Bach, I go back and see if it works on the harpsichord. If it does, no problem. But sometimes I can't decide whether I like a piece on one or the other.
@Robusto Why not both (or with organ, why not all three)? I would think all 3 instruments are complementary. Of course one piece may ultimately be more suitable for a particular keyboard instrument.
@GratefulDisciple Yes, I'm sure. But if you're blind, I guess it's harder to memorize a piece.
@tchrist Usually a traveling concert pianist would definitely try out the "room" during his/her rehearsal, and modify the performance accordingly. Similar for the organ, although with more challenge getting to know the specific registration as well as the toughness of the keys and the layout of the pedal (if it's not AGO standard).
@GratefulDisciple Well, yes. But generally I like the one I'm playing it on. I'm not an organist, so my choices are two, not three.
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@Robusto Of course. I didn't know that Helmut Walcha is blind. It IS a great challenge to learn Bach's piece without reading. Maybe three is a Braille version?
@Robusto With VST there is a lot more flexibility using a good digital piano connected with a laptop. But yes, I prefer piano than harpsichord for most Bach's pieces written for the clavichord.
@GratefulDisciple He didn't go blind until he was 19 or 20. So he knew how to read music at that time, but I doubt if he had the entire BWV catalog memorized by that point.
I have yet to see an electronic keyboard that can emulate a clavichord. No Bebung! :) [=vibrato, kinda]
@Robusto Yeah... quite an amazing feat. Maybe a biography could clear something up.
@tchrist Found this video on the "Bebung". Didn't know that feature exists! This is actually perfect for a keyboard fitted with MIDI aftertouch controller in the keys. Just need to hook it up to a VST that support it. I'm sure that before long such a VST will appear (if not already).
Here's someone who was blind from birth:
@GratefulDisciple Yeah, I really like Wim Winters.
There are also complexities involved in whether it's a fretted or unfretted keyboard.
If it's fretted, then strings are shared. If not, they are not.
Unfretted needs more space, but gives different kinds of freedom.
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@tchrist Wow, there's much for me to discover about clavichord. So far, I think VST for piano has reached a saturation point. Hopefully they will follow suit for clavichord & harpsichord.
@tchrist This clavichord VST has "bebung" !
Have you heard about this new "harmonic pedal" that some manufacturers are offering?
Feurich is one, but there are others.
@tchrist That VST is fretted, I wonder whether there are historic clavichord that has a switch to make it fretted or not. In a Harpsichord isn't one of the manuals pluck 2 strings an octave apart? So in theory maybe the technology available in clavichord to choose between 1 or 2 strings?
Paul Barton has Youtube videos about it.
@GratefulDisciple Yes, harpsichords do work that way.
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@tchrist You're talking about this video let me watch this.
Clavichords always sound to me a lot like a hammer dulcimer.
@tchrist No, never heard of it. But I've heard a related principle of sympathetic resonance by using the sustain pedal strategically, and some piano VST features this.
@GratefulDisciple I've played around with that. I feel like I remember playing something from Bartok in college that did that deliberately.
@tchrist I see. It seems modern impressionistic piano music makes better use of this. I wonder whether composers like Debussy prescribe resonance in the score explicitly for certain passages.
@tchrist That's a good video to illustrate the sensitivity of clavichord action; didn't realize how it is more versatile than harpsichord ! I hope there will be VSTs with more physical modeling features mimicking the full range of a clavichord sound.
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Think about Beethoven's marking on the Moonlight's first movement. He wrote that because of how the fortepiano he wrote it for works.
Thanks for that video! So fretted Clavichord VST "cheated" to allow sounds that are not possible in a physical fretted Clavichord (as demonstrated in that video around 1:50-2:20).
Interesting.
I feel like the frets get in the way, but they also allow for a different sound.
@tchrist Yes, I suppose if we want to be faithful to Beethoven's intention, we need to first hear how playing his Moonlight on his fortepiano (maybe using a VST) would have sound first, before improving it with the modern Steinway. I heard a similar demonstration of one of Mozart's piano sonata (I think it's the 2nd movement of K330) on Mozart's piano.
Yes, the things you can do with a modern grand are remarkable.
But I came across a different video explaining the features of Mozart's fortepiano that is missing in modern grand. If I can find it, I'll share it here.
04:25
Here's the Moonlight on a fortepiano without the dampers at this time point. You can learn more about the whole issue listening to his explanation of it earlier in the video.
@tchrist Yeah... overall the technology makes more colors possible, no going back. Oh... I remember something about the reason Bösendorfer piano having more lower notes is for better sympathetic resonance. They should add a harmonic pedal!
"The fortepiano is pedalled with the knee"!!!
@GratefulDisciple Me, I'd take the Steinway any day. And I think Beethoven would, too. For that matter, Bach would have had a field day with one.
Yes. All that.
@tchrist Thanks! I'll keep a reference to this video.
04:28
The guy makes enjoyable videos.
@Robusto Yes, me too. VST of historical instruments is good to have just like we have ZX Spectrum / Commodore 64 / Atari emulators to run those ancient games.
@Robusto I just wonder what compositions Bach would have written for a Steinway! As you well know, he is known to push the limit of what's available for him and try out prototype instruments by keyboard builders like Silbermann.
@tchrist So much good videos out there.... not enough time. BTW, I gotta go. Thanks for the chat. TTYL.
seeya
laterz
04:44
Could you guys please tell me if this sentence sounds natural to you?

It is more sad and painful than being killed at war.
05:09
@MichaelRybkin I see nothing wrong with it.
@alphabet One thing I still don't understand. In this sentence, is "since" modifying the noun "summer"?
05:48
@Vikas Yes.
@Robusto Thank you very much.
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@tchrist Maybe they were too frigid, so the French had to make do with what they could
 
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@alphabet 👍🏽
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Les amitiés particulières (English: Special Friendships) is a 1964 film adaptation of the Roger Peyrefitte novel of the same name, directed by Jean Delannoy. It was released in 1967 with English subtitles as This Special Friendship. It stars Francis Lacombrade and Didier Haudepin as boys at an upper-class Catholic boarding school, whose chaste but intimate friendship is discouraged as sinful by the priests (played by Louis Seigner, Michel Bouquet, and Lucien Nat). == Plot == The movie is mostly true to the novel, changing only relatively minor plot points such as Alexandre's suicide from poisoning...
> During filming, Peyrefitte, who was 57 years old at the time, met 12-year-old aristocrat Alain-Philippe Malagnac d'Argens de Villèle, who had been cast in a minor role as a choir boy. The two developed a personal and professional relationship which continued for years afterward.
> At the age of 16, Malagnac became Peyrefitte's personal secretary, and as a young man was adopted by Peyrefitte.[2]
> As an adult, Malagnac's career (often financed by Peyrefitte) included proprietorship of Le Bronx, one of the first openly gay nightclubs in Paris..
Can you imagine this happening these days? A 57 yo author of a novel about gay relationships in a school develops friendship with a 12 yo, and then adopts him, and he becomes owner of a gay club
 
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> Albeit nurtured in democracy,
And liking best that state republican
Where every man is Kinglike and no man
Is crowned above his fellows, yet I see,
Spite of this modern fret for Liberty,
Better the rule of One, whom all obey,
Than to let clamorous demagogues betray
Our freedom with the kiss of anarchy.
Wherefore I love them not whose hands profane
Plant the red flag upon the piled-up street
For no right cause, beneath whose ignorant reign
Arts, Culture, Reverence, Honour, all things fade,
Save Treason and the dagger of her trade,
Wilde of the day
Korean idiom of the day: Fixing the cowshed after losing the cow — meaning that it's too late.
Just like how my USB stick was wrongly formatted today.
Russian idiom: once burned by milk, you blow on water (in Turkey, .. on yogurt)
== French == === Etymology === Literally, “a scalded cat fears cold water”, i.e. it becomes overly cautious. === Pronunciation === IPA(key): /ʃa e.ʃo.de kʁɛ̃ l‿o fʁwad/ === Proverb === chat échaudé craint l’eau froide once bitten, twice shy
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In English folklore, groaning food was food, which was occasionally kept uneaten for superstitious reasons, customarily made and served after childbirth.The word groaning referred to the noises made during childbirth by the woman. The groaning food was served on a groaning board, with the various foods served prefaced by the term 'groaning'. A groaning cheese is a large cheese traditionally divided among the members of a household when a childbirth took place. It was cut from the middle so that the baby, when born, could be passed through it. == See also == Postpartum confinement, a period of rest...
 
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@CowperKettle We also have it in Hindi.
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But instead of of yogurt or water, we use the word "chhach" (which is similar to lassi which is made with yogurt)
 
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@Vikas Nice!
Chaas (gu:છાશ chhash, hi:छाछ chhachh) is a curd-based drink popular across the Indian subcontinent. In Magahi (Magahi Language) it is called Mattha. In Rajasthani it is called ghol, in Odia it is called Ghol/Chaash, moru in Tamil and Malayalam, taak in Marathi, majjiga in Telugu, majjige in Kannada, ale (pronounced a-lay) in Tulu and ghol in Bengali. In Indian English, it is often referred to as buttermilk. == Etymology == The name Chaas or Chaach is derived from Sanskrit word Chacchika (छच्छिका), meaning churned yogurt from which butter has been removed. == Preparation and variations == Chaas...
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Curd-based. But the word "curd" leads to the article Dahi.
It's like something from another planet. Totally unknown cuisine.
> You are only absurd when you get in the curd, but you’re rude when you get in the whey. (Carryl)
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Soviet cartoon based on a sci-fi story by Robert Silverberg
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If you're a guerilla fighter and hide in nature, will you have superior executive attention?
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French idiom of the chat: Il n'y a pas de quoi fouetter un chat meaning: There is nothing to worry. Literally: "It's not worth whipping a cat about it".
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and a common derivative: J'ai d'autres chats à fouetter: I have something else to bother, "I have other cats to whip".
Disclaimer: No animals were harmed by these idioms.
15:54
I recalled a movie named after a French idiom. 400 blows.
> The English title is a literal translation of the French that fails to capture its meaning, as the French title refers to the idiom "faire les quatre cents coups", meaning "to raise hell".
Verb: faire les quatre cents coups
  1. to do one crazy thing after the other, to engage in all excesses imaginable, to live a wild life, to be wild, to be a party animal; to paint the town red, to go out on the town
The movie is nice.
> À la fin des années 1950, Antoine Doinel, 12 ans, vit à Paris entre une mère peu aimante et un beau-père futile.
Beau-perre is stepfather. "Good dad".
Nov 20, 2022 at 14:09, by jlliagre
It's an idiom. Here is a suggested etymology from Wikipedia:
Nov 20, 2022 at 14:09, by jlliagre
> "In 1621, Louis XIII, besieging the city of Montauban, called the Carmelite (Bishop?) and asked him for advice on how to take the city:
- Have 400 cannon shots fired, replied Dominic, and the intimidated inhabitants will certainly surrender.
The king fired the 400 shots, but the enemies did not surrender; however, it remained a popular saying and in Paris, whoever made a lot of noise and fuss was said to do the four hundred shots."
@CowperKettle Beau is closer to handsome (beautiful) than good (bon).
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@DannyuNDos The English one is given here:
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A: English proverb for when a solution comes too late

coleopteristThe standard idiom has to do with horses rather than cows: closing/shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted trying to stop something bad happening when it has already happened and the situation cannot be changed: Improving security after a major theft would seem to be a bit like ...

Word of the eve: commonsensicality
> Finally, we find that collective common sense is rare: At most, a small fraction p of people agree on more than a small fraction q of claims. pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2309535121
@jlliagre Very interesting!
@CowperKettle but probably popular etymology. Nevermind, il n'y a pas de quoi fouetter un chat.
16:37
I feel so much emotion reading a letter that it's a big stress on me. An email. I get overwhelmed. I feel like my brain should produce some reaction, to think it over, but the brain does not.
I tried explaining to a psychiatrist that somewhy it became very hard to concentrate on communicating with people, but he just said "oh, I wish I communicated less via personal messaging and emails, haha"
I had a talk via a video link today with the psychiatrist.
@CowperKettle It's yogurt.
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@jlliagre What's ironic is what they put as ammunition in the cannons. It was cats.
Il n'y a pas de quoi tirer quatre cents coups de chat.
@Mitch Hence the expression: It's raining cats and cats.
That's awful
cats and dogs I could handle
dogs and dogs would be like babies' playtime.
Why all this cat negativity?
Fighting like two Kilkenny cats
More than one way to skin a cat.
@Mitch Je donne ma langue au chat.
@jlliagre There's no need for self-mutiliation.
Now the cat's got your tongue.
No tongues were harmed by this idiom.
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hm... I wonder if those two are somehow related.
@CowperKettle Aw, every time I hear about this I want to give some unsolicited advice to try to help you :(
@Laurel A cat would help.
I mean he already has a cat.
Another cat would help.
@Mitch Maybe I could give the cat unsolicited advice? I guess that's really the only type of advice a cat can be given as they tend to be loners who don't ask questions
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@Mitch what the human has said is unimportant and we do not hear his words
@MetaEd .
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@Mitch is that a very small b
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Word of the day: confirmed bachelor. Defined by Cambridge as: "a man who has never married and is thought unlikely ever to marry; sometimes used in the past to suggest that a man was gay."
@alphabet famous line from My Fair Lady. (I don't remember if the line is taken from Pygmalion)
@alphabet I thought for a second there that it was a euphemism for "incel"
Incels are the male version of Karens.
Not quite, because then what would femcels be?
They complain because they are unappealing to women, and they think that complaining will rectify the situation. But it only makes them even less appealing.
@Laurel Is there such a thing?
21:30
Uh, I think so? It's not like I made up the word
Anyway, my point is that women who want to be with men go to a great deal of trouble to try to be appealing to them. The least the incels could do would be to mirror that behavior.
Some would argue that "Karen" is gender neutral when used to describe someone who's trying to find the manager. Other times "Kevin" or some other name might be used, but that doesn't really carry the same connotation
Whiny little bitches, all of them.
@Robusto I have no idea what femcels are doing wrong, or why they wouldn't just settle for an incel
@Laurel OK, I really didn't mean to get into a semantic argument. Let me rephrase: incels are whiny little bitches who think they are entitled to sex ...
21:34
Oh I thought you meant Karen with that lol
Guys who feel entitled to women are scary, at least if you're a woman
@Laurel Well, yeah. I mean, they should at least meet women halfway, right. And if that doesn't work, maybe they should blame their own strategies and efforts.
You can't force someone to be attracted to you.
To bring this back on topic, confirmed bachelors are matriculating into the church and have passed confirmation.
@Mitch Those are unconfirmed reports.
@Robusto Yeah well some people don't know how to "meet women halfway". Most of those are called white knights, they do something unasked for and expect something in return
@Robusto It's in the Bible.
21:39
@Laurel There's nothing wrong with wanting what you want. But there is if you think you're entitled to it, and that it's someone else's fault if you're not getting it.
@Mitch In the Catholic Church one passes Confirmation at about the age of 13 :0
@Mitch That's just hearsay.
@Robusto I think there are some exceptions to that
@Robusto I heard that God said it.
@Laurel And by law those boys are bachelors. QED
@Laurel I was in 5th grade when I was confirmed. About age 10.
@Robusto Precocious
21:42
@Robusto You know what, I think I was 11 (6th) but it's been so long since I've thought about it lol
Literally
@Laurel I might have been in 6th, I don't really recall. But I think it was 5th. In any case, pre-puberty.
@Mitch Exceptions that test the rule.
I am neither dunked nor sprinkled
They did you early hoping it would stave off apostasy
Didn't work.
21:44
@MetaEd TMI
@Robusto You're their last hope
@Robusto Why do you think they did it a year or two earlier than usual? Did you study up? Pass all the qualifying exams?
@Mitch They finished it just in time for me to get gotten by that James Cameron movie
@Laurel Avatar?
Everyone thinks that but it's the one right before that lol
About Moses et al
Terminator?
No, when did Moses appear in that???
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@Laurel Did you say the magic word?
@Mitch No, I'm rude af
@Laurel He appears in the second episode, when they go to break out his mom from the mental institution, and they make Robert Patrick drink the golden calf.
That's what was special about the special effects in that one.
By the way, that whole musical is awesome.
For example:
Moses was the big baptizer
I mean he's kind of a goofball but like at the end he's totally faking how tired he is.
That's -acting-
@MetaEd I think you mean big bastard. He was found in the bulrushes, devoid of apparent parents, apparently.
21:56
Reminds me of Jackie Chan.
The acting, not the bulrushes
The bull rushes, not the bulrushes.
I just had a weird dream in which a dog memorized how to swear in Russian in the hope that I would adopt it. And I went out of an event, to go home, and the dog run up to me, swearing in Russian barkingly. And some other stray dogs tried to repeat
But I'm not a dog person
Don't believe those other dogs. They're strays.
Also, to bring things back on topic, don't do the breakdance move known as a head spin. To be sure you don't spin our head, you spin your body.
22:03
And in that dream, the US declared that it would strike Russia with ballistic missiles starting February 28. But for some reason I did not care much, and other people cared even less
Any self-respecting dog would swear in English, not Russian.
WHil your head is the only thing touching the ground.
I mean lots of people do it, but it is a good (or is it bad?) way to get a serious neck injury.
@CowperKettle We're courteous like that.
@Robusto Iowa nice
Nicer than that.
Iowans aren't nice. They just act like that for the cameras.
22:09
The dissident Vladimir Kara-Murza has been sentenced for solitary punitive confimened until May 26, because he failed to stand up in the morning when the order to stand up was sounded across the prison. He says that it did not sound in his particular cell. meduza.io/news/2024/01/30/…
If I had to have someone tell me that they're gonna nuclear bomb me in a dream, I think I'd prefer an Iowan
Punitive solitary confimenent is the worst kind of penalty inside a prison
A New Jerseyite would just scowl until the detonation flash
New Jerwegian? New Jerconian?
In April 2023, he was sentenced for 25 years of jail for "spreaking fakes about the Russian Army". He is a dissident politician whom Putin previously tried to poison.
@CowperKettle And that's saying a lot.
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@CowperKettle I'm not saying it's all great, but at least you don't have anyone using up all your toothpaste.
@Mitch If you ever nuclear bomb me in a dream, you'd better wake up and apologize.
@Robusto 👀
@Robusto no, no, not big bastard. You're thinking of that Buckaroo Banzai character
Isn't that ... Buckaroo Banzai?
22:15
In other news, the state brought back the Soviet regulations for psychiatric clinics, under which patients' right to have a phone, to have food brought over by relatives, to have visits etc. could be curtailed at will by chief psychiatrist.
Seems like they're preparing psychiatric clinics for dissidents
@CowperKettle There's a comic strip for you: Life in Hell. (The original title for The Simpsons)
@Mitch pretty sure you're right ...
But they backtracked three days ago and ruled that the curtailment should last no longer than 15 days, and be registered in the patient's medical records fontanka.ru/2024/01/26/73162628
@MetaEd no no no not Scooby Doo Bonsai. You're thinking of Yogi Bear's little friend.
It's Booboo.
Easy to mix up
But to bring things back on topic, in the title scene of Singin in the Rain, where Gene Kelley is dancing in all this water, he does this one move that is very understated but amazing, again just like Jackie Chan.
He steps up onto the stand of a light pole.
That's the understated part.
What's amazing is that the stand (the part that he comes to stand on) is about as high as he is tall.
@Mitch actually I was fishing for John Bigbooté
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And he looks like he just steps up when a normal person would have to take a running high jump leap.
It's very underrated.
I wake up in the morning thinking about it.
@MetaEd You just made up that name.
To be honest, I remember there was a time in my life when I hadn't seen that movie and people were always saying "Hey, have you seen this movie?" and I'd have to say no. And then there was a time in my life where I had seen the movie and I ask everyone "Hey have you seen this movie?" and no one had. But for the life of me, I don't have any memories at all of seeing the movie.
@MetaEd Wait, is that a John the Baptist reference?
ContraPoints has a lot of interesting takes on the incel phenomenon.
A lot of it seems to have to do with body dysmorphia and the nature of modern dating. She (being a trans woman) actually says that she'd rather be on Tinder as a woman than as a man, since she'd rather be harassed than ignored.
@Mitch Is that a Platters reference?
Of course, it then gets channeled into a virulent anger against women, which (a) does not help them get women and (b) makes them violently misogynistic.
Maybe in the US men find it hard to find women?
@MetaEd Maybe? I wouldn't know.
22:39
Oh. I thought it was a funny song, and it's a 35 minutes video.
I thought it was a novelty song akin to "I want a hippopotamus for Christmas"
yeah I ain't watching that unless there're people falling down like on tiktok
And just so you know I'm not a total hypocrite, the Donald O'Connor video above was him never not falling down.
I want a hippopo-incel for Christmas
I don't think Santa Claus will mind, do you?
(I haven't composed the rest yet)
@CowperKettle If you can pronounce the plural of that, then I think you're golden.
@Mitch pretty sure that will be Santa Claux
@CowperKettle It's certainly harder, on popular dating apps, to find women as a man than to find men as a woman. This creates a certain kind of toxic envy and resentment in men who aren't particularly attractive (if only because of their personalities).
22:44
> I think it’s unreasonable that people expect me to solve my problems using the same brain that makes me touch a cactus every time I see a cactus.
@alphabet And it is also much harder to get sex if you are a straight man. For that group, it is the hardest of all.
@Cerberus Why can't they just be gay like the rest of us?
@alphabet They may resort to that when desperate.
It's so easy.
@Cerberus Indeed. Hence resentment toward the women who reject them, and envy towards the more attractive men who are more successful.
Yes.
If only women were less uptight...
22:52
They genetically cannot be less uptight. They would need to invest effort in kids. They should choose a good source of genes, or a good sourse of wealth for that. Genetically they are picky. Men can produce kids right and left, and then run away.
And if only there were less slut-shaming of women, so they would feel freer to be less uptight...
@CowperKettle I think they could be to some extent.
@Cerberus I heard a standup bit--which I think may well be accurate--that it can be easier for a gay guy to get a straight guy than for a straight guy to get a girl.
Hah.
I think that is a bit of an exaggeration...
Word of the night: motherwort (in Russian: pustyrnik, from pustynia, desert, barren place)
@Cerberus Women have the right to be very selective, if they please.
22:55
It's used in Russia to produce mild anti-anxiety herb tea brews
@alphabet What do you mean by this?
@alphabet This was too long for me to even get through most of the transcript :l
Who is talking about rights?
We can talk about freedoms next.
@CowperKettle XD
22:57
@Cerberus I just mean: I don't think men should be encouraging women to be less uptight, any more than they should slut-shame women who aren't.
@Cerberus Read all about it in my forthcoming book: "How to turn gay: a guide for incels."
@alphabet I'm pretty sure I've seen this happen but I don't think I want to talk about it :p
@Laurel Her videos are amazing and worth the watch. Lots of interesting cultural hot takes.
@Laurel Was he successful?
@alphabet Why not men, specifically? What does it matter who gives the advice, instead of the actual advice itself?
And why should women not be advised to shed the shackles of Christianity?
@Cerberus Straight men have something of a conflict of interest in the matter. But women shouldn't give that advice either.
@alphabet To be honest, I cut him out of my life because I was I was terrified he would react really, really poorly otherwise
@Cerberus Women are, regardless of religion, on average much more selective than men in who they sleep with. If they're content being so, why should anyone else judge them for it?
Yes, it must be genetics, not religion.
What a discussion
I have nothing to contribute, really.
Everyone seems so firm on their opinion though
I'm suddenly realizing that I have a lot more offline "enemies" than I do online, despite the fact that I can only vote to close and delete your question in one of those locations
@alphabet I think everyone should give the advice, and thereby normalise natural inclinations more, remove some shame.
@alphabet They are not content!
They feel compelled to be scared of the shame of being seen to desire more sex.
23:12
@Cerberus Eh, the inclination to not want to sleep around is perfectly natural also. It's not always the product of religious beliefs or internalized shame.
There are, of course, guys who feel the same way.
Even if that were so, what about it?
This is about reducing the shame for the many women who would like to do more but feel afraid.
I mean that, if you say women should be less uptight, I'd assume you're telling many of them to ignore what they really want, not to follow it.
But I dunno. I'm not--and this may shock all of you--a woman.
Why would you assume that?
I was told that men like the chase, they don't like to be chased
That, too, sounds like part of Christian shame culture.
23:19
I mean, I don't have data on this. It just seems most reasonable to assume that people want what they say they want for the reasons they say they want it, unless you have fairly strong evidence to the contrary.
(Not exclusively Christian by any means, though.)
@Laurel I've never understood these mind games.
@alphabet Random example: among young Dutchmen, the proportion who feels sex without love is fine used to be far higher than among Dutchwomen. However, recently, the female proportion has increased a lot, now being fairly close to the male.
It's all culture.
Holding people back.
Causing shame.
And problems.
Suicide, even.
Philosophical scenario: if we didn't wear clothes inside, no teenage girls would commit suicide over leaked naked pictures.
@Cerberus And yet I'm guessing that, even though woman and men now equally find sex without love unobjectionable, the women are still much more selective about who they have sex with than the men.
What I am saying is that it is to a large part cultural.
23:24
Probably, as is pretty much everything about sexual desire. But I don't think it's entirely a "shackle" from which women must be "liberated."
Why not?
Not "entirely", no.
Nobody said that.
@Cerberus maybe religion would provide a structure for people to know how to act.
What?
Without religion people would be running amok in the streets with machetes, killing and pillaging and raping.
I should say: among women who aren't in some sort of strict religious community, or facing some sort of direct pressure from religious people, I think that the ways in which women are more selective than men are not at all things from which they need to be liberated.
23:28
Now that I got everybody's attention, I'd like to tell people about an opportunity that could lead to generational wealth.
Maybe I'm overstating it.
There are no atheists in foxholes
But in general I don't think women tell themselves "I would swipe right on ten times more Tinder profiles, but my inner burning sense of shame prevents me."
@Mitch *With
To put it less strongly: obviously slut shaming affects women of all stripes, but I don't think it's responsible for even the majority of the gap between men and women in this regard.
23:32
@alphabet Why not? The norms of our societies have been heavily shaped by their (religious) pasts.
@Cerberus to be honest, with or without people are jerks either way
@alphabet It is not about swiping, it is about sex.
@Mitch Religion makes it worse, though...
@Cerberus Almost everything we want sexually is shaped by culture and history; it's all equally (un)natural.
@Cerberus I don't know
@alphabet Not really?
Sex is a primal urge.
It is very much determined by our biology.
@Mitch Agnost.
23:35
@Cerberus or rather list wars, how many religious?
In the broadest sense, yes, but who we feel attracted to--including how selective that attractiveness is--is heavily shaped by cultural forces, regardless of one's gender.
Why aren't people talking about the latest sign of the apocalypse?
As I've said before: if we lived in ancient Athens, most of us men would be into 13 year olds, likely of either gender.
The Nicki-Megan foofaraw has hit the NYT -front- effing page.
Women would have more sex without the socio-cultural shame, which is to a large degree caused by religion and other traditional norms.
23:38
@alphabet also be married
But also have slaves
So
@Cerberus I agree with that. But there isn't some fixed "normal" amount of sexual partners women (or men) would want in the absence of cultural forces.
At least not that anyone can determine.
It would be a lot higher for women than what they get now.
Probably? It's hard to say by how much, though. Forecasting the effects of widespread cultural change is not an easy task.
I don't think it's as simple as saying that women would become exactly like men in that regard.
Straw man.
I didn't mean to attribute that viewpoint to you, but your view is clearly closer to that than mine is.
23:51
Strike it hard!
@Laurel they're not telling it to your face but they're internalizing every close vote
If ever you find a mob of angry ESL outside your doorstep
@Mitch where were you when I had a theology exam?
@Mitch you're joking but I've always felt this is more true than the opposite

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