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Robusto
Robusto
00:44
@Cerberus Works for me in Firefox, Brave, and even Edge.
@tchrist "Holistic" is a word that to me connotes shamanism of the health New Age. It can mean whatever the originator wants it to mean; or nothing, which is the usual case. In the case of bees, it would be merely a buzz word.
@alphabet Interesting that the verbed noun gift has its verb also moving in the other direction: "I felt a little give in the screw and gave it more torque."
The Give That Keeps On Gifting
Cerberus
Cerberus
01:00
@Robusto Hah.
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus Can you fix something for me, please? I left an "and" out of the sentence after "screw" and before "gave." Thanks in advance.
Cerberus
Cerberus
01:19
Voilà.
I really wish trusted users had a higher time limit.
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus Thanks. And I agree.
Cerberus
Cerberus
But SE is unlikely to care enough to make the effort.
And they have fired many people...
Robusto
Robusto
Yeah. I bet they are regretting their purchase.
Cerberus
Cerberus
01:49
I don't remember who bought it?
tchrist
tchrist
> In June 2021, Prosus, a Netherlands-based subsidiary of South African media company Naspers, announced a deal to acquire Stack Overflow for $1.8 billion.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Ah, right.
Not the Gupta Brothers?
No, not they.
Robusto
Robusto
02:07
> A study from the University of Maryland found that Android developers that used only Stack Overflow as their programming resource tended to write less secure code than those who used only the official Android developer documentation from Google, while developers using only the official Android documentation tended to write significantly less functional code than those who used only Stack Overflow.
I wonder what that portends.
Laurel
Laurel
Who uses only one of the other?
Robusto
Robusto
I guess those must exist.
tchrist
tchrist
Because they use procedural code instead of functional code.
Somebody should get themselves a copyeditor.
Laurel
Laurel
I don't do mobile development but I tend to use google to find the SO answer that helps me also find the relevant documentation
tchrist
tchrist
Who knows the domain.
Robusto
Robusto
02:09
The whole passage is riddled with ambiguity.
Laurel
Laurel
What does "functional code" even mean here?
Robusto
Robusto
I think what "less" modifies is the real question.
I expect it means "functional code" is code that works. But I could be wrong.
Probably it means that SO users play fast and loose, while Android documentation users play slow and poorly. Neither is ideal.
Laurel
Laurel
But there's something called the "functional programming paradigm" where I guess you write lots of functions or something. Not sure if people call that "functional code"
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
02:25
> In a paper published today in Nature, we introduce AlphaGeometry, an AI system that solves complex geometry problems at a level approaching a human Olympiad gold-medalist - a breakthrough in AI performance. deepmind.google/discover/blog/…
alphabet
alphabet
@Laurel From the original study, they're using "functional" to mean "functionally correct."
Robusto
Robusto
@Laurel That's what @tchrist was referring to.
alphabet
alphabet
Who "uses Stack Overflow" as a resource? You Google things and then click on Stack Overflow links when they happen to be relevant.
Robusto
Robusto
The problem with SO is that you already need to know a lot to determine whether a given answer is valuable. If you're a beginner, forget it.
Laurel
Laurel
Beginner to all coding or just one language?
The latter seems to be much much easier
I almost feel like I don't need to say this it's so obvious lol
Robusto
Robusto
02:34
@Laurel Either, but to differing extents. If you're a good coder in any or a variety of languages, you'll be able to evaluate better, naturally.
tchrist
tchrist
> Functional programming languages such as Haskell, Scheme, and ML evaluate expressions via function application. Unlike the related but more imperative paradigm of procedural programming, functional programming places little emphasis on explicit sequencing. Instead, computations are characterised by various kinds of recursive higher-order function application and composition, and as such can be regarded simply as a set of mappings between domains and codomains.
Dannyu NDos
Dannyu NDos
03:01
As someone whose major programming language is Haskell, I can confirm this language is witchcraft.
 
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
06:03
Snailboat also loves Haskell
Snailboat was a mod over on ELL SE
Sadly or happily, she switched to real life
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
06:49
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Xanne
Xanne
08:06
Wordle 943 2/6

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Another nice ‘n easy one.
 
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Vikas
Vikas
09:07
Wordle 943 5/6

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Too easy.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
09:31
Is Keundong a first name or a surname?
I wonder how it's pronounced.
I think it's pronounced Khyn Don
jlliagre
jlliagre
Wordle 943 4/6

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Dannyu NDos
Dannyu NDos
10:28
Is it true that Pocari Sweat sounds like actual sweat to English speakers?
 
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
12:51
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
13:13
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Word of the day: acrobus
Vikas
Vikas
@CowperKettle Nice
lyxal
lyxal
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probably not the acrobus you had in mind :p
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
13:29
@Vikas Yes, finally warm weather!
 
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
14:30
Reagan's administration was famous for defenestration and elastration
Vikas
Vikas
@CowperKettle Not even slightest warm from my standards.
It seems like my immune system is fighting hard to prevent cold viruses. I feel viruses are on border and ready to invade. I don't seem sick so far but I fear it can give up any day from now on.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
14:49
> So let us do real fighting, boring in and gouging, biting.
Let's take a chance now that we have the ball.
Let's forget those fine firm bases in the dreary shell raked spaces,
Let's shoot the works and win! Yes, win it all!
(A song from Pixar's Patton, a cartoon musical)
@Vikas I'm sorry to hear that! Wear warm clothes, bundle up against the cold!
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
15:03
I should buy some contraption to attach Mom's phone to a monitor and a keyboard and a mouse.
Once I have money.
There surely must be such things.
Robusto
Robusto
15:14
Wordle 943 3/6

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@CowperKettle You can get a bluetooth keyboard for a phone, but I'm not sure about a monitor. A keyboard is like $30-40.
A mouse is also available.
Vikas
Vikas
@CowperKettle Yeah that's what I'm doing.
@Robusto Very lucky.
Robusto
Robusto
@Vikas Coulda been luckier. Look at 2nd guess.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
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A quaint town in Russia
Vikas
Vikas
@Robusto I could also guess in three attempts but I thought it's least likely.
Laurel
Laurel
@CowperKettle There's [whatever phone port] to HDMI plugs out there that would probably work if you have the right type of monitor
Also, in the cases of TVs some of those support airplay or chromecast. Not sure all of what's out there for different types of phones
Robusto
Robusto
15:27
Daily Octordle #724
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Score: 63
@Vikas You don't know until you try.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
16:26
> A new study finds that the number of words in the US federal tax code has swollen by 70% since the 1990s, and is currently more than 4 million words; Americans now spend about 1.5 billion hours a year filing their tax returns.
Feature creep
Robusto
Robusto
16:45
@CowperKettle It's not a feature, it's a bug.
Vikas
Vikas
16:56
12th Fail
12th Fail is a 2023 Indian Hindi-language biographical drama film produced, written and directed by Vidhu Vinod Chopra. It is based on the 2019 eponymous non-fiction book by Anurag Pathak about the real-life story of Manoj Kumar Sharma, who overcame extreme poverty to become an Indian Police Service officer. The film stars Vikrant Massey in the title role, alongside Medha Shankar, Anant V Joshi, Anshumaan Pushkar, and Priyanshu Chatterjee. Released theatrically on 27 October 2023, 12th Fail received widespread critical acclaim and emerged as a sleeper hit, grossing over ₹66 crore (US$8.3 million...
This movie is trending in India. 9.2 Imdb ratings. Worth watching.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
Dacoity
Dacoity is a term used for "banditry" in the Indian subcontinent. The spelling is the anglicised version of the Hindi word डाकू (daaku); "dacoit" is a colloquial Indian English word with this meaning and it appears in the Glossary of Colloquial Anglo-Indian Words and Phrases (1903). Banditry is criminal activity involving robbery by groups of armed bandits. The East India Company established the Thuggee and Dacoity Department in 1830, and the Thuggee and Dacoity Suppression Acts, 1836–1848 were enacted in British India under East India Company rule. Areas with ravines or forests, such as Chambal...
> The East India Company established the Thuggee and Dacoity Department in 1830, and the Thuggee and Dacoity Suppression Acts, 1836–1848 were enacted in British India under East India Company rule.
MetaEd
MetaEd
17:23
@CowperKettle substitute a robot overlord for an angry mistress and I think we're just running a bit late
Vikas
Vikas
17:38
@CowperKettle Thuggee and Dacoity department lol
A thug is a rogue.
Lambie
Lambie
@CowperKettle [re the US tax code with 4 million words] This is an inverted cone with the rich at the top and the poor at the point. And one wonders, at what point does it become too complex for anyone to understand anyway? Jeepers creepers. Re the geometry, this reminds me of Dylan's Tombstone Blues:
The geometry of innocence flesh on the bone
Causes Galileo’s math book to get thrown
At Delilah who sits worthlessly alone
But the tears on her cheeks are from laughter//Ah Dylan, ain't no one better than you.
Mitch
Mitch
@MetaEd Saved by the history mistress
Lambie
Lambie
@Vikas It's on Hulu, which I have. Tip: If someone doesn't, get a friend to let you watch via theirs. You can sign up on their account.
Mitch
Mitch
Also, in this imagined Jetson's-like future, they accurately assess that "Shakespeare is unusually dull"
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
17:58
LOL. I think Shakespeare is great.
> 'Tis double death to drown in ken of shore;
He ten times pines that pines beholding food;
To see the salve doth make the wound ache more;
Great grief grieves most at that would do it good;
Deep woes roll forward like a gentle flood,
Who being stopp'd, the bounding banks o'erflows;
Grief dallied with nor law nor limit knows.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
18:17
graduate student is the same as postgraduate student
> While the term "graduate school" or "grad school" is typically used in North America (Canada and the United States), "postgraduate" (or 'post-graduate') is often used in regions such as Australia, Bangladesh, India, Ireland, much of Latin America, New Zealand, Pakistan, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Southeast Asia and the United Kingdom.
I'm a graduate student in an apocalyptic movie. I'm a postgraduate student in a postapocalyptic movie.
I'm a freshman in an underapocalyptic movie.
A lot of French words have crept into the English language. Hors d'oeuvres for starters
Robusto
Robusto
18:50
@Vikas And a dacoit is a bandit, right?
@Lambie If you have Hulu, this season of Fargo is the best yet.
It has just broadcast the final episode, so it's totally bingeable now.
thesmartwaterbear
thesmartwaterbear
19:05
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Uh-oh...
Lambie
Lambie
@Robusto Yes, that Dot character by Juno Lyon is simply fabulous. The way she outplays the bad guys while still maintaining that naive look is great. By the way, I already mentioned Hulu.
MetaEd
MetaEd
is this Fargo a sequel to the movie Fargo?
Lambie
Lambie
@MetaEd The TV series Fargo is on Hulu and has five seasons. Yes, it came after the movie.
Robusto
Robusto
@MetaEd It's a carry-on. Similarities exist, and in the latest season they are flaunted, but the stories are different, in the main.
MetaEd
MetaEd
Which characters are carried over from the movie? I hope the woodchipper. (It was only following orders.)
Robusto
Robusto
19:19
@Lambie I saw that you mentioned having Hulu, which is why I suggested what I did. And I just love Juno Lyon's character. She has such moxie. It's only later you realize that she's a cornered animal, hemmed in from all sides, but she has the courage and the invention to work through every problem.
I think we're getting close to spoilers here. Hmmm.
 
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Mitch
Mitch
21:40
@MetaEd No characters are the same. They're not sequels. Each season is just sort of another story in the same world but also location.
I think there's always a lead character who's a female police officer who's maybe the chief of police of a small village. The similarities between them all don't stop.
but nothing is a direct repeat like a character.
It's not the Avengers. Each season is stand alone.
I think if they repeated the woodchipper, that would be over the threshold for self plagiarism.
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch There are deceptive cadences in them, though. Like the fact that the kidnappers show up at the lead female character's house, her daughter is named Scotty, and so on. But those are just teases, little easter eggs for the cognoscenti.
Mitch
Mitch
oh I didn't catch those
the last season was before covid right?
I don't remember anything before a year ago
Robusto
Robusto
No. Check out the latest. I think it's the best yet.
Mitch
Mitch
when was the season 4 put out?
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch 2020. And it was the worst one, IMO.
Season 5 just finished. Catch it on Hulu.
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
22:44
> To ensure a double-blind study, neither the participants nor the researchers knew who received LSD or the placebo during each session. psypost.org/2024/01/…
alphabet
alphabet
23:13
@CowperKettle What this shows is that psychedelics have a stronger effect on depressed people. It very much wasn't blinded; people who took the LSD experienced psychedelic-like effects and thus probably knew they didn't get a placebo.
This is the problem with all studies of psychedelics; you really can't perform a blinded trial on doses high enough to have any obvious effect.
The author is also on the board of a company trying to develop new psychedelics (forms of MDMA) as medical treatments. Of course.
Laurel
Laurel
@alphabet The study was not double blinded from the watchful eye of capitalism
alphabet
alphabet
And a consultant to two other drug companies trying to make new psychedelics--which, as one of their websites states, have the benefit of being "patentable," unlike existing psychedelics.
> Awakn’s team has successfully conducted the world’s only clinical trials of ketamine and MDMA in a therapeutic setting as treatments for alcohol use disorder. We are now conducting trials for other addictions, including gambling, Binge Eating Disorder, Internet Gaming Disorder and Compulsive Sexual Bahavior and building a pipeline of patentable psychedelic therapeutics that will create even more effective medicines in future.
"We found out existing drugs work, but instead we're gonna invent new ones so we can profit." Ah, well, probably the only way to get enough money to perform this research.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Patents are a bad idea.
@alphabet Not the only way.
Different ways have been envisioned.

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