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> Curtailment, or deliberately reducing output, rises as solar generation exceeds available transmission capacity.
> In 2022, the California Independent System Operator (CAISO) curtailed 2.4 million MWh of solar and wind generation. Solar accounts for 95% of that total.
More batteries needed.
 
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@CowperKettle Gravity batteries needed.
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Pumpkin pie on sale soon
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Answering machine message at a maths department : "The number you have dialed is imaginary, please rotate the keypad 90 degrees and try again."
 
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07:47
Day of the day: Day of the Dead
The Day of the Dead (Spanish: el Día de Muertos or el Día de los Muertos) is a holiday traditionally celebrated on November 1 and 2, though other days, such as October 31 or November 6, may be included depending on the locality. It is widely observed in Mexico, where it largely developed, and is also observed in other places, especially by people of Mexican heritage. Although related to the simultaneous Christian remembrances for Hallowtide, it has a much less solemn tone and is portrayed as a holiday of joyful celebration rather than mourning. Some argue that there are Indigenous Mexican or ancient...
and it took a pandemic for the fourth ape to now dominate
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The epitome of social distancing.
 
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I'm about to post a question on CS SE, and I think "indistinguishability" is the longest word I'd ever write.
09:36
@DannyuNDos That's a good word
It gets the meaning across. Maybe there's a shorter one, but I can't recall one right now.
@CowperKettle Save one letter with 'indifferentiability' :-)
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There were two squirrels in the street, so I fed three walnuts to them.
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Word of the eve: nanowire neural network O_o
> “Our novel approach allows the nanowire neural network to learn and remember ‘on the fly’, sample by sample, extracting data online, thus avoiding heavy memory and energy usage,” said supervising researcher Professor Zdenka Kuncic. technologynetworks.com/tn/news/…
I wish Isaak Asimov were alive now.
 
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So now I wonder if Spanish hoy and German heute are somehow related.
Funny how things like that just pop into your head.
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#Worldle #649 1/6 (100%)
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They're cognate.
hoy (SP) < hodie = hoc die (LA) = this day (EN)
heute (DE) < hiute = hiu tagu (AHD) = this day (EN)
die (LA) and tag (GE) are cognate for day
hoc (LA) and hie (GE)... it's not clear to me where 'hie' in Germanic comes from.
> heute · heutig
heute Adv. ‘an diesem (angebrochenen) Tage, zu dieser Zeit, gegenwärtig’, ahd. hiutu (8. Jh.), mhd. hiute, asächs. hiudu, hūdigu, hōdigo, mnd. hǖde, hǖden(e), aengl. hēodæg sind (ähnlich wie heuer, s. d.) kontrahierte Instrumentalformen aus einem zum Pronominalstamm germ. *hi- gehörigen Demonstrativum und dem unter Tag (s. d.) behandelten Substantiv (ahd. *hiu tagu); vgl. got. himma daga ‘an diesem Tag, heute’ und hina dag ‘bis zu diesem Tag’, wo das entsprechende Demonstrativum noch als selbständige Form erhalten ist. – heutig Adj. ‘das Heute, das Gegenwärtige betreffend,
'similar to heuer' - 'in the current year'... they keep saying that 'heu-' is some kind of demonstrative pronoun, but I can't figure ut if it is cognate to others like in Old English 'hie'
so you're not wrong.. but I don't think we could say (without further evidence) that Spanish got 'hoy' from hearing Visigoths saying something like 'heute', it probably goes back further than that.
It's understandable that you didn't have the same thoughts about Spanish 'hoy' and French 'aujourd'hui'
The cognate of 'dies' appears -at least- twice in the French word.
Qu'est-ce que c'est? What is it that it is?
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@Mitch Del castellano antiguo oy ("hoy"), y este del latín hōdĭē ("hoy"), de la forma en ablativo hōc dĭē, 'en este día'. Compárese el judeoespañol oy. Wiktionary
 
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C'est tout pour aujourd'hui.
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Where's the link? Isn't that proprietary?
@Lambie This picture? It was generated by an AI
Word of the eve: tarsorrhaphy (a surgical procedure in which the eyelids are partially sewn together to narrow the eyelid opening)
The tarsi (SG: tarsus) or tarsal plates are two comparatively thick, elongated plates of dense connective tissue, about 10 mm (0.39 in) in length for the upper eyelid and 5 mm for the lower eyelid; one is found in each eyelid, and contributes to its form and support. They are located directly above the lid margins. The tarsus has a lower and upper part making up the palpebrae. == Superior == The superior tarsus (tarsus superior; superior tarsal plate), the larger, is of a semilunar form, about 10 mm (0.4 in) in breadth at the center, and gradually narrowing toward its extremities. It is adjoined...
> from Ancient Greek τᾰρσός (tarsós, “the flat of the foot; the edge of the eyelid and its lashes”)
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Was it generated by you using AI?
17:22
Would you guys say that this sentence sounds grammatically fine (it was taken from a dictionary)?

A fiscal cliff is a situation in which a particular set of financial factors cause or threaten sudden and severe economic decline.
How was Rome split in two?
By a pair of Caesars
@Lambie Oh, no, I was just mindlessly browsing Reddit
There's a lot of weird stuff on Reddit
Like this
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@Mitch Yes, even thrice in the common au jour d'aujourd'hui :-)
@MichaelRybkin Why don't you just state your objection? What are the chances that it isn't if taken from a reliable dictionary?
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@Lambie Maybe it should be "threaten A sudden and severe economic decline"?
Who actually first uttered the words "fiscal cliff" is not clear. Some believe that it was first used by Goldman Sachs economist, Alec Phillips. Others credit Federal Reserve Chair Ben Bernanke for taking the phrase mainstream in his remarks in front of Congress.
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taking the phrase mainstream - is that correct English?
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@MichaelRybkin in his remarks to Congress. You should hire me as an editor. Can you pay?? :)
taking the phrase mainstream - is that correct English?
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@MichaelRybkin Yes, it's the same template as used for a sentence like "You should thank your mother for taking you home".
@MetaEd Thank you.
@MichaelRybkin It's funny, because the template there is "taking + object + modifier" whereas in the similar sentence "You should thank your mother for taking you lunch" the template is "taking + modifier + object". Nevertheless you would never say "taking home you" or "taking lunch you".
I imagine there's a Q&A about this but I don't have a link.
Thank you a lot. Would you say that in the sentence below there should be an "a" between "threaten" and "sudden"?:

A fiscal cliff is a situation in which a particular set of financial factors cause or threaten sudden and severe economic decline.
@MichaelRybkin There can be one there. But it's fine without too.
@MichaelRybkin Both with and without 'a' are fine
JINX!
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JANX!
@Mitch Ha, thanks. Thought so!
Hey man let's rumble!
@MetaEd Thank you.
@Mitch Thank you.
@Robusto but 'hoc' (LA) and 'hie' (AHD) I'm unsure of the relation.
@Mitch Sufficient for me.
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@Robusto You mean that's all it takes?
Sure, I'm not gonna go all Sven Yargs about it.
@Robusto To be honest, I just read the first couple of lines of his answers, scroll down... keep scrolling... keep scrolling... is it over yet... keep scrolling... uh oh went too far... back up a page, oh it;s Sven Yargs, Awesome, where's the TLDR? and scroll back up a half mile and upvote.
without actually reading it all.
I have an ocean to move with a dropper, I don't have time for all that reading.
I'm sure it's great.
Jul 19, 2011 at 18:52, by Robusto
People don't value brevity here.
@Robusto Excess concision obfuscates.
Hm... that may actually be clear.
@Mitch Nope.
Prattling on forever obfuscates.
18:54
@Robusto Can you elaborate?
No of course you can't.
That would be contrary to the spirit.
Counterproductive.
Gilding the lily.
Yep.
Adding a period. Full stop.
You're dieseling now.
Whatever you cannot talk about, you must be silent.
@Robusto Running on exhaust.
It's exhausting.
18:57
Which, to be scientific, is not likely to work.
All of Tractatus is one big tautology @alphabet. It should be called 'Tractatus Logico-Tautologus'
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That's what I came here to say.
Also I came here to wonder if the nerd-comedic effect is stronger with Tautologus or Tautologus.
These are things I think about a lot.
@Robusto Concision eschews nuance.
Look man I'm workshopping it here.
@Mitch I think concision brings nuance to the fore.
See, if you try real hard to narrow down your words into the fewest possible that explain everything, that everything needs to be expanded explicitly by the reader. If you instead spell it out piece by piece, you've made it easier for the reader to understand all the nuances that have been squeezed into those tiny words. Or rather those few but extremely long latinate words.
It's not 'insulting the reader'. If it turns out the reader is insulted, then maybe the reader should be reading something fancier, like Cat Fancy magazine. I mean , it's right there in the name.
19:39
@Mitch This is just where you and I differ.
If the nuance is dependent on the subtlety of semantics of the rarefied words...
I've made the truth plain; it remains for you to acknowledge it.
...by rarefied, I could mean both rare (infrequent), and highly specific...
@Robusto Brevity may be plain, but it does not imply clarity.
@Robusto I've made the fruit fly; it remains for you to dip the banana in chocolate fondue.
I blame you for leading me off-piste.
Where was I?
If the nuance is dependent on the subtlety of semantics of the rarefied words, you've just made a puzzle (maybe a fun one) of obscurity. You've made a work of art that is art because it is inscrutable, not because it explains things well.
You guessed it...who I'm subtweeting is Nietzsche. Nice short books. Nice short sentences. None of this Kant logorrhea of not saying things for thousands of pages of dense as fruitcake word vomit (I count at least three mostly distinct metaphors there). But Nietzsche really needs to explain himself. Do you -really- mean that? No one knows. He uses one word where a thousand would not be sufficient.
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@Mitch I'm not advocating cryptic concision. Just use write (or say) only enough words to illuminate, not more.
BTW, "use write* should simply be "write" ...
@Robusto No, I'm holding you to it.
I mean we're not arguing, we both think you should use the -right- words.
And blathering fecundity of composition is using more wrong words rather than fewer.
Dictionaries, to take one example
Their definitions are tightly honed craftwork of concision, saying the right thing with the absolute fewest words. But sometimes you know a couple extra words would be nice. Make it easy on a fella. Don't make me flip extra pages, pull out another volume. pull out another volume to explain what's in the second volume, all in the end to discover, yes, that is correct.
Also, a picture every so often would be nice.
Maybe a flower in the corner.
I mean don't go overboard. You don't want it in the way.
Have you heard of the ChatGPT contest... what was it... to write a book based on a six word prompt?
And of course the six word prompt was... 'for sale: baby shoes never used'
Once you see youtube video of the puzzle box being opened, it's just another trite zoomer listicle 'the 7th will surprise you' disappointment.
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@Mitch A better way to say it is "Use only enough words as are necessary, not more."
@Robusto "Give the smallest non-trivial example, but no smaller"
To be honest, I looked at -all- the items of the listicle and the 7th was in fact surprising.
20:41
@CowperKettle "Maybe try not spilling it. Or let it cool down first."
Oh dear lord, I just checked r/AskDocs and found this gem:
> Yes I have already been told to use proper sexual toys etc this is just what I had in hand and now I am deeply regretting it.
In case you're wondering: it's a CFL lightbulb that got stuck. I want to believe that this is fake, and that nobody could possibly be this dumb, but I'm sure there's someone.
@alphabet Just when you think you've reached the bottom of the barrel for stupidity, you lift up that barrel and ... it's idiots all the way down.
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I just...what is the train of thoughts that leads someone to think this is a good idea. I hear it's a surprisingly common cause of ER visits. Is this why insurance premiums are so high?
One reason.
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@alphabet Quite deeply indeed.
At least it didn't break...
ugh
22:22
Who else does prefer learnt over learned, and dreamt over dreamed?
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@DannyuNDos poets
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@MetaEd snort
The sound of a poet taking snuff
Is it a British English thing?
@DannyuNDos Brits. (Learned is more common than learnt in the UK, but both are very much around)
Like 'whilst'
And 'amongst'
Probably influenced by the fact that, for many AmE speakers, learnt it and learn it would be homophones
I keep reading that most of the world studies British English as a foreign language, but what I hear is very American sounding...rhotic and no bath-trap split
@alphabet we (AmE) say slept and burnt (as in toast)
And some others but definitely not learnt and dreamt
That would sound like Oliver Twist
I think that AmE is spreading due to the influence of American pop culture. But it probably depends on where you hear it from; non-natives in the US will speak something closer to AmE
23:04
Eh guvna?
@alphabet well yeah...I don't live on Coronation Street
Where is that anyway? Manchester?
I usually say burned, unless it's being used as an adjective (burnt toast)
23:18
Crept, wept.
Anyone ever made a sheet-pan dinner?
I went in and out of Logan Airport this week (to go to a conference at Mt. Washington). Truly terrible at the airport and on the highways. Much worse than SFO, Reagan National, LAX.
Logan is Boston’s airport, as two of you know.
23:34
@Xanne Is it different from any oven dish?
Worst movie ever made? Probably not, but definitely in the running.
23:55
@Cerberus I don’t think so, except the shhet pan is flat, so what works differs from what would work in a casserole dish.
@Mitch Of course we say dreamt.

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