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alphabet

00:01

@Robusto Having any knowledge of soccer is overrated

Robusto

@alphabet Overrated by whom? If it's beneath your notice, why even comment?

alphabet

@Robusto I wouldn't say "duh" to people who don't know the terminology.

Robusto

No. You find other words and ways to be rude. I suppose those are acceptable in your mind.

alphabet

@Robusto I'm only rude to people who deserve it, I promise

Robusto

@alphabet Like Tom?

In any case, Cowp and I go back a ways, and I respect him enough, which I'm pretty sure he knows, to be able to take a bit of ribbing.

alphabet

00:07

@Robusto Ah, sorry if I misread that comment

I can't wait until I'm old enough to be considered "crotchety" instead of "obnoxious"

Robusto

@alphabet You are deft at insulting people, though. Console yourself with that.

alphabet

@Robusto I plan on spending time complaining about "the youths" and yelling at local teenagers, due to a barely-repressed envy of their carefree ways.

It will be fun.

user 726941

Now, now people let's play nice :P

Robusto

@CowperKettle That's funny, I thought for the first part of the video that we were looking at a woman flamenco dancer. Then the reveal comes, and she's about the same age as that Anastasia balalaika player.

@alphabet Yes, because that's how all old people behave. Score another deftness, and make another notch on your bedpost.

alphabet

@Robusto I wasn't insulting you, just planning my future.

user 726941

00:17

Are you planning to watch France vs South Africa tomorrow

They say the winner will take the cup

> The Springboks have the upper hand in 110 years of rugby history between the two nations. They have won 27 of the 45 matches played, including seven of the last eight, while France have claimed 12 wins, with six draws down the years.

Robusto

@CowperKettle There's this comment below:

> No pondría en duda que esta es Pepa Flores, se nota en su estatura, y ya estaba con cuerpo de preadolescente, su timbre de voz está más grave. Las películas fueron editadas en algunas partes , tuvo la culpa Pepa a los 12 años, estando prácticamente secuestrada, sin su desarrollo Psico emocional completo, siendo instrumentalizada por el régimen franquista, al igual que la otra niña?
Acá los únicos responsables fueron los adultos que manejaron a esas niñas a su antojo, viéndolas como mercancía, y generando un trauma para toda la vida, pocos volverían a querer a acercarse al mundo artístic…

So it looks like that girl got the Judy Garland treatment by the Franco regime?

user 726941

@Robusto what was said

~~said~~ typed

we need to remember nothing is actually "said"

user 726941

00:46

in Rugby World Cup 2019: Tokyo, Japan, Jun 1, 2019 at 9:21, by skullpatrol

The Greatest Try of All Time, 1973 All Blacks vs. Barbarians

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Wow! so many high tackles, they really wanted to take off each other's skull back then :P

CowperKettle

01:12

Dr Livesey's First Entrance - Treasure Island 1988 (HD)

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user 726941

Yup, that looks like a skull in his hand

Xanne

@CowperKettle Have you heard the surname Hayutin, and if so how is it pronoinced?

Pronounced, that is. I think it’s Russian or Byelorussian.

CowperKettle

01:32

@Xanne Хаютин?

Probably pronounced as written "Hi you tin"

With the stress on "you"

Хаютина, Евгения Соломоновна

Евге́ния Соломо́новна Хаю́тина (урождённая Фейгенберг 1904, Гомель — 21 ноября 1938, Москва) — советский издательский работник. В 1930-е годы — официально — заместитель главного редактора, а де-факто — главный редактор журнала «СССР на стройке» (официальными главными редакторами в эти годы были Георгий Пятаков, Валерий Межлаук, Александр Косарев). Хозяйка литературного салона, который посещали известные писатели, а также видные сценические и кинематографические деятели: Исаак Бабель, Михаил Шолохов, Михаил Кольцов, Сергей Эйзенштейн, Леонид Утёсов и другие. Частыми гостями на этих вечерах были...

The wife of Yezhov, who managed the repressions just when they reached the top tier of the apparatus and the army.

Her surname was Khayutina

She killed herself just before her husband's arrest.

Xanne

01:52

@CowperKettle Thank you!

CowperKettle

02:24

take me to snurch (snail church)

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@Xanne You're welcome!

CowperKettle

02:36

Could a new law of physics support the idea we're living in a computer simulation? - Phys.Org

Was the Loch-Ness monster the real Jack the Ripper? We may never learn the answer.

CowperKettle

05:16

Mussolini of the day: "I hope for only one thing - that in this war in the East the Germans lose a lot of feathers" (speaking to Ciano after being woken up at 03:00 am on 22 June 1941 with the news that Germany was to invade the USSR in the next half-hour).

alphabet

They only told him a half-hour in advance?

That's like learning your friend is getting married the day before the ceremony

That's cold. Those Germans seem very disrespectful.

Wikipedia provides some context:

> The commitment to actively take part in the German offensive was decided by Benito Mussolini a few months before the beginning of the operation, when he became aware of Adolf Hitler's intention to invade, but it was confirmed only in the morning of 22 June 1941, as soon as the Italian dictator was informed that same day the German armies had invaded the Soviet Union.

CowperKettle

@alphabet Yes. Mussolini did the same trick when he invaded Greece suddenly for Hitler. Hitler had been asking him not to invade Greece just yet, but upon their meeting he just said "Hello! This morning, Italy's glorious soldiers have marched into Greece!"

And Greek's unglorious soldiers gave them such a bloody nose that Hitler had to bail him out.

Otherwise, it would have been Greece invading Italy back

Italy's industry was not powerful enough, it seems.

alphabet

From the /r/relationship_advice post: "My friend (52m) decided to start an invasion without me (57m). Should I send him some troops to repair our relationship?"

CowperKettle

LOL

Cerberus

05:33

@alphabet It does mean you wouldn't have to attend.

Sounds like a win.

alphabet

@Cerberus Does anyone actually enjoy attending weddings?

CowperKettle

alphabet

why hello this is the person i sleep with, you seem vaguely related to us, please take time off work to wear uncomfortable clothing and stand around impatiently

you will be served food that can be readily prepared and distributed in bulk

you will have many opportunities to exchange awkward pleasantries with people you do not know or want to know

enjoy trying to figure out how much you can fidget without people noticing

Cerberus

05:59

@alphabet I think some people do.

Some are partly nice, but I never really want to go.

alphabet

@Cerberus the bees in my head do not

Cerberus

@alphabet You will be served half a tiny snack if you're lucky enough to be in the right corner of the establishment when the waiters come through. Then the great fasting begins, until dinner hours later, if you're lucky enough to be in the inner circle.

You will be extremely hot (inside) or cold (outside).

You will be bored to death.

You will spend money on travel and a present.

You will be asked to contribute to some 'creative' effort.

alphabet

@Cerberus To consume said snack, you will have to hold a tiny plate in your hands at all times for the remainder of the event

user 726941

The fun starts when FREE alcohol is available

alphabet

@Cerberus No, it could be outside in the summer or in a building where the AC is permanently set at 67.

there should be a rule that, if the couple gets divorced, you get your gift back. or the fair market value thereof.

(wait I misread that thing about temperatures. i should go to sleep someday.)

@user726941 I don't drink, usually. Is that the reason other people find these tolerable?

Cerberus

06:10

@alphabet In one hand, you will hold the plate. In another, your glass. In another, your fork.

And don't forget the paper with the song you will have to sing along with on it.

user 726941

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Cerberus

@alphabet I don't know how warm 67 is.

But air conditioning? Wedding locations never seem to have that.

But, yeah, it can be very hot outside.

I was sweating at my last wedding, outside.

alphabet

apparently that is 19.4 C, in those strange non-American units

user 726941

Some people only go for the free booze

Cerberus

@alphabet That's an OK temperature?

And you will be wearing a jacket and all.

user 726941

06:15

Get drunk and tell off your relatives

alphabet

@Cerberus ahh right, the uncomfortable clothing makes up it

i hate whoever invented formal menswear

Cerberus

It's actually all right if it fits well.

alphabet

no, no it is not

Cerberus

And if its cool where you are.

alphabet

there is no good reason to tie a strap of cloth tightly around your neck, unless you're trying autoerotic asphyxiation

is that why they invented neckties?

user 726941

06:18

@alphabet some do, yes

Cerberus

@alphabet It shouldn't be too tight!

alphabet

@Cerberus there is no acceptable level of tightness. our necks are meant to be free.

Cerberus

Interesting religion.

CowperKettle

French borrowing of the day: doyen -- Borrowed from French doyen, from Late Latin decānus, from Latin decem. Compare the doublet dean.

alphabet

there is no reason, ever, to purchase or wear an article of clothing that costs more than $100.

much less one that requires ironing.

Cerberus

06:29

Hmm the last wedding I went to, I didn't wear such an article.

Nor did I iron anything.

You don't need to spend money to look good, what with second-hand clothes and shoes.

alphabet

The point is not to look good. The point is to demonstrate adherence to a set of inscrutable rules about what counts as "formal."

Granted, I'm not really sure what the point of fashion in general is.

All I know is that, by not caring about it, I can feel like I'm superior to other people.

Cerberus

06:44

@alphabet The goal is both.

@alphabet Quite!

CowperKettle

06:59

Steamed Hams but it's in Nazi Germany

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LOOOOOOOL

Xanne

07:40

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Vikas

For two consecutive days, I had very bad dreams about exams. It was because of pillow. It would slip up and when I would wake up, I would find that my neck and pillow has gone into uncomfortable position, leading to those dreams. LOL. Now I make sure pillow doesn't slip up. One may wonder what's the link between exam and pillow but I'm pretty sure it was the culprit.

Dannyu NDos

Related: There is a separate Korean word for "lay one's head on (a pillow)".

Michael Rybkin

07:58

Please tell me if this sounds fine to you?

Sure, I can do that too, but I just don't really feel like it.

user 726941

Sounds fine to me

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Michael Rybkin

Where are you from?

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Which sounds best to a native English speaker?

They date the paintings to around the 1400s.
They date the paintings to around 1400s.

CowperKettle

08:18

M.A.R.

@DannyuNDos that sounds pretty useful TBH

@CowperKettle too much physics, not enough fresh air

@CowperKettle that face is nightmare material

CowperKettle

08:42

@alphabet Probably brides do.

M.A.R.

09:22

@Vikas you're still studying?

@alphabet excess money is a perfectly valid reason

Vikas

10:07

@M.A.R. LOL no. But looks like I'm cursed for life with exam dreams.

The older I get the more I realize exams did affect my mental health. Or I couldn't handle the exam pressure. I would get too nervous. Fear of failure was too much for me.

Most of my exam dreams share similar pattern. It's related to less time to prepare (or me preparing in the last moment) and me reaching examination hall too late.

CowperKettle

10:22

user 726941

@Vikas have you thought of going to a therapist

Vikas

10:45

@user726941 Nope. It doesn't bother my sleep too often. I sleep peacefully. I consider those dreams thrilling XD

@user726941 Also I have noticed the bad dreams to me happen mostly when I'm in uncomfortable position. And the most common dreams this position would trigger is the exam dreams.

CowperKettle

Guess the language: its average user's vocabulary is 30% Arabic, 50% Italian, 20% English. It has 500 to 600 thousand native speakers.

Vikas

The other type of dream I would often get was getting shot in a fight or sometimes war. But that was because I used to play shooting games more often. Every time I would get shot, I would never die. Why? Because it would make me wake up.

I've seen some fantastic scenes in those dreams. Something I would like to incorporate into art. But I'm too lazy.

Dannyu NDos

As for my dreams, I once was in the backrooms. I managed to get out tho.

Vikas

> a room in which work or other activities are done out of public view or secretly:

This?

Dannyu NDos

No, but the urban lore.

Maybe it should be titlecased.

Vikas

10:54

The Backrooms

The Backrooms are an online fiction originating from a creepypasta posted on a 2019 4chan thread. One of the best-known examples of the Internet aesthetic of liminal spaces, which depicts usually busy locations as unnaturally empty, the Backrooms was first described as a maze of empty office rooms that can only be entered by "noclipping out of reality". As its popularity grew, internet users expanded upon the original concept by creating different levels and entities which inhabit the Backrooms. Fan-made video games, collaborative fiction wikis and YouTube videos have also been created: a series...

Dannyu NDos

Yeah, that

Vikas

github.com/TheRealJoelmatic/RemoveAdblockThing

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@Mitch 👆🏽

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle weird. Gotta be somewhere in the middle. Maltese?

@Vikas that could come in handy. Thanks

CowperKettle

@M.A.R. Yes

M.A.R.

@Vikas well now I feel like a slacker, because I've only ever had a handful of exam dreams my whole life

@CowperKettle bam

CowperKettle

11:05

Baikal–Amur Mainline

The Baikal–Amur Mainline (Russian: Байкало-Амурская магистраль, БАМ, Baikalo-Amurskaya magistral', BAM) is a 1,520 mm (4 ft 11+27⁄32 in) broad-gauge railway line in Russia. Traversing Eastern Siberia and the Russian Far East, the 4,324 km (2,687 mi)-long BAM runs about 610 to 770 km (380 to 480 miles) north of and parallel to the Trans-Siberian Railway. The Soviet Union built the BAM as a strategic alternative route to the Trans–Siberian Railway, seen as vulnerable especially along the sections close to the border with China. The BAM's costs were estimated at $14 billion, and it was built with...

M.A.R.

Yes I like the Baikal-Amur Mainline

I have referred to it throughout this transcript

Vikas

@M.A.R. Good for you. Maybe you have the right perspective about exams.

M.A.R.

I wish

I mean, my nerd genes help. But I almost always underperform. I hope it won't hurt my CV later on.

@CowperKettle what happened to Canada? Justin Trudeau?

Or maybe 2021 was still in the middle of the pandemic and that affected GDP somehow? I have no idea about Canada's guanosine diphosphate

Vikas

@M.A.R. Haha. I posted it because someone has already done what I was wishing for the other day:

yesterday, by Vikas

@Mitch I'm looking for a YouTube "Checking for ad blockers blocker" extension.

M.A.R.

Nothing in history has united people as much as hating YouTube ads.

Vikas

11:15

I think we can simply type some JavaScript code in temperamonkey extension to remove popup. I'll try it.

But alas! I'm lazy.

:D

What a weird coincidence. Laziness == Aalas in Hindi

Robusto

13:19

@Vikas I used to have dreams like that when I played in the orchestra. Like finding only blank pages on the music stand while everyone else had the actual music.

CowperKettle

@M.A.R. I don't know. I should ask ChatGPT

Robusto

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@M.A.R. Inflation.

Vikas

14:42

@Robusto Yeah something like that.

@M.A.R. If you're interested in the issue related to India, it will cool down with time.

CowperKettle

Why do pirates struggle to learn the alphabet?
Because they spend years at C

M.A.R.

15:03

@CowperKettle the puns about C are seasless

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Q: Does islam allow killing or enslaving civilians in war?

Lets say there are villages in settlements outside of dar al islam. Are muslim armies allowed to kill and enslave them by surprise if they are in dar al harb? Is asking them to convert or pay jizya a pre-requisite before attacking them? Are civilians of a settlement, tribe or village killed if th...

What a question. It's like asking "I've never met any Christians. Do Christians like to eat Jesus?"

@Robusto every patriotic Canadian had an inflatable Justin Teudeau in front of their shop.

And a sign that said 'sorry'

Vikas

15:21

@CowperKettle Good one. Keep them coming!

Mitch

16:11

@Vikas Nice

alphabet

@M.A.R. On the one hand, I feel like I should flag that answer for openly advocating killing civilians; presumably that breaks some sort of rule against advocating violence. On the other hand, I'm rather impressed that the answerer was honest about it.

Mitch

@M.A.R. I know all sorts of Christians... well maybe not all of them. But it's not an unreasonable question.

"Do Christians believe their magic Sun god will grant them wishes?"

alphabet

Someone should ask a follow-up question: "Is it halal to have sex with a woman you abducted? If the woman is Jewish, does that change things?"

Mitch

"Of course not, that's ridiculous. 1) He's not a genie out of a bottle, there's no guarantee that your prayers will come true. 2) where does this sun god come from? God is just God. 3) It's not belief, it's -faith-."

OK I'm convinced. Wash me in the blood of the lamb Lord, Jesus take the wheel!

@alphabet haha follow-up

alphabet

16:28

It's a confusing time to be a Jewish leftist raccoon.

alphabet

16:40

DALL-E seems to have trouble generating images of raccoons embodying the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Mitch

16:50

@alphabet What good is AI for then?

Lambie

@alphabet Some things are best left alone. I don't think that is at all amusing. You are just adding to the confusion.

Cerberus

@Lambie What do you mean? It seemed funny to me.

M.A.R.

17:08

@Mitch it's unreasonable because everyone knows there is a contradiction that can't be explained and everything else is governed by common sense, not scripture.

@alphabet that's one thing that's kinda bugging me about AI

alphabet

get chatgpt to write a peace treaty

M.A.R.

A blanket censorship on sensitive subjects to prevent legal trouble, while the capability to produce horrible content is still there

It's kinda foreboding.

@alphabet it's already publishing articles, why not

alphabet

I asked ChatGPT to do this. The resulting treaty said:

> The borders between the State of Israel and the State of Palestine shall be based on the pre-1967 lines, with mutually agreed-upon land swaps that reflect the demographic and security realities of both parties.

M.A.R.

stifles yawn

6 hours ago, by M.A.R.

Nothing in history has united people as much as hating YouTube ads.

Maybe Israelis and Palestinians should start talking about their common hatred for YouTube ads

@Vikas isn't India's GDP on the rise?

Vikas

@M.A.R. Yeah compared to all countries except the top two.

alphabet

17:21

@M.A.R. Ah, that's why they shut down the power plant.

M.A.R.

I don't think you need to be gloomy about it. Rather, if such economic growth doesn't seem to translate to welfare for the common people, we should be more cautious in interpreting it

alphabet

No electricity = no YouTube = No YouTube ads

M.A.R.

Genius!

TBH I'm not following the news. I've got enough on my plate now. And I should lose some weight

The more recent, less international news seems to be that some guy and his wife were beheaded

And it seems to be somehow related to the anti-immigrant sentiment that seems to be on the rise because seemingly millions of Afghans have entered our borders seemingly illegally

I can't seem to care, just

I totally get the futurology nerds. I want to be surrounded by BS news of some super-efficient battery or flying cars or something

Vikas

@M.A.R. That's why I'm not much excited about we becoming number 3rd in GDP.

M.A.R.

I've become like Cowp. rubs temple

Vikas

17:28

@M.A.R. I am interested in flying cars but not the ones who look like airplanes. I would prefer the car like the one in Harry Potter.

I know it doesn't follow physics but it would be awesome if someone could make one.

M.A.R.

Isn't a chopper a flying car?

Cerberus

@M.A.R. DO you see Youtube ads?

I see them maybe once a year when I'm really behind with the updates for my ad blocker.

M.A.R.

We just want them to magically float without pesky physics

@Cerberus when I'm watching something, which is like once every two months or so

Vikas

This scientist actually made the car I am refering to. But there's a problem. It's a movie.

Flying Car

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M.A.R.

It's just annoying because the ads are in Dutch because of my VPN

Cerberus

17:31

@M.A.R. Why not block them?

@M.A.R. Poor you!

Dutch ads must be horrific.

Lambie

@Cerberus I don't think that making jokes about raccoons and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict\ is such a good idea at present.

Cerberus

Why not?

Humour is humour.

M.A.R.

Even humor

Can we not go there please. The last thing I need is this argument

Cerberus

Yeah I don't need it either.

I've stated my disagreement, and there is probably not much more to be said about it.

M.A.R.

@Cerberus well it's more like a peek at candyland. I can't buy your powder detergents no matter how appealing they make it seem

Cerberus

17:33

Oh, yeah, those are the best.

Every time I use a different powder, my laundry comes out completely different.

M.A.R.

Don't blame the tools, blame the carpenter

Cerberus

But, seriously, just use an ad blocker?

M.A.R.

No good ad blockers for Android. I mean, I haven't checked. Adguard et al. are probably unavailable in my country

Cerberus

Sure there are.

I have been using Adaway for ten years or so.

Blocks ads throughout the operating system.

If you don't have full access to your phone, you can use a VPN adblocker like Blokada.

If you need to use your VPN for something else, you can use a DNS ad blocker.

Are you saying those don't work in your country?

Mitch

@M.A.R. I'm with you with everything after 'everyone knows'.

Cerberus

17:38

And in your browser you can just use Ublock Origin.

Mitch

Everyone does, in fact, not know.

Cerberus

And you can watch Youtube in your browser or in Newpipe.

Mitch

Mostly foreigners.

M.A.R.

Meh, Play Store is blocked again. I'll have to tie a knot to add a reminder to check my calendar to find one later

Vikas

You guys seem to hate ads too much LOL

Cerberus

17:39

You can also use Sponsorblock, so that you won't see any advertisements that are part of the actual video.

Mitch

Frankly, name any belief and even the nearest outsiders 'don't know'.

M.A.R.

@Cerberus those I know don't work because their VPN doesn't. Very few VPNs work anymore.

Cerberus

f-droid.org/packages/org.adaway

You can get Adaway on F-Droid.

@M.A.R. No, Blokada is a local VPN.

It doesn't go over the Internet, nothing can block it.

M.A.R.

Okay, I'll check it out

Cerberus

But you can't use it as the same time as another VPN.

Mitch

17:41

Even kids in the culture are like 'That's kinda weird, eating people. BUt everyone else seems OK with it'

Cerberus

I think maybe you need root access for Adaway.

Roor access is always a good idea.

M.A.R.

@Cerberus then YouTube is out of the question. But yeah, I rarely watch anything. And something worthwhile even less so

@Cerberus I'm kinda scared of rooting my tablet. Too indispensable. And my main activity with it is using Xodo to read pirated textbooks anyway.

@Mitch everyone is an outsider to something. Assuming those other insiders have totally abandoned common sense is a bit inconsiderate

Cerberus

@M.A.R. Then root your phone; and/or watch Youtube in a browser with Ublock Origin (like Kiwi Browser, which can use any Chrome extension) or Firefox; and/or install Newpipe and use it as your default Youtube app.

M.A.R.

People are being killed in Israel and Gaza because "it's a war". Only the really crazy or dishonest ones justify it with Torah or Quran.

Vikas

Isn't Rooting considered unsafe?

Cerberus

17:46

It is in fact safer, because it allows you to block malicious stuff.

M.A.R.

@Vikas just because big brother can't vouch for it doesn't mean it's unsafe

Cerberus

Adaway also uses an extremely long list of malware things to block, for example.

M.A.R.

But I might mess something up so I don't go there

Cerberus

Xprivacy, which requires root access, allows you to block applications from accessing much of your system, like files/contacts/location/anything.

Camera.

Vikas

@Cerberus LOL

Cerberus

17:47

You have root access on your computer. Does that make it unsafe?

M.A.R.

Shame. Those NSA dudes would really love spying on my friend's elbow during class

Cerberus

When you have root access, you use a root-access manager. It means any application is blocked from having root access, unless you specifically allow it.

Vikas

I've heard during my college days that you have trouble using bank apps when you root your phone.

Cerberus

I've heard some foreign bank apps try to detect root access, and then stop working.

M.A.R.

@Vikas that's the person rooting it that has misconfigured something

Cerberus

17:48

But root managers use root hide, so no applications can see this.

M.A.R.

Though in my case it's certainly possible

Vikas

types a message and then deletes it

M.A.R.

See if you had root access you would have typed it all the way through

Cerberus

If you're typing on your computer, you have root access.

M.A.R.

Many roots have medicinal properties in traditional medicine

Mitch

17:53

@M.A.R. But outsiders can't tell who is crazy or dishonest by what they say, they have no history of the locals (meaning no context for what is metaphor and what is literal) "Of course it's not the actual body and blood of Christ, that's insane! (but don't tell anybody else I said that)". BUt the outsider doesn't know because some people are saying it is the literal blood and body of Christ, and not a metaphor.

Vikas

That's what I was actually typing about. Actually I won't touch any such settings. I am afraid it would mess up things. I don't even update my Samsung phone nowadays. Last time I updated it refused to start. It worked only after couple of hours. I am afraid if I update it again it will break again.

Mitch

Of course this is just a metaphor for the Israeli-Palestinian problems.

Cerberus

@Mitch Well, Calvinism decided that it must be the real blood.

You can't argue with that.

And Lutherans decided it's both wine and blood at the same time, I believe.

Mitch

@M.A.R. What does your friend's elbow know, and when did it know it?

M.A.R.

@Mitch again, why is there an assumption that people are totally normal until they read a thousand-yo text and then grab a gun and chant ominous fighting words?

Cerberus

17:55

@Vikas I don't update either.

I root my phone when I buy it, install all the stuff I need, then don't touch it any more once I'm done experimenting.

Mitch

@Cerberus Well, you -can- argue with that. I'm not sure if it'll be convincing either way. Or if any body is convincable.

Lambie

@Mitch What is a metaphor for Israeli-Palestine problems? Racoons?

Vikas

If I have to root I will do it just when I am about to throw it away lol

Cerberus

@Mitch Not if you're a Calvinist!

M.A.R.

It's sorta implicitly like "if they speak another language or look different, they live in a totally different world, and concepts like compassion don't mean anything"

Cerberus

17:57

@Vikas Root your phone when you buy it!

If you don't like it, you can just factory reset.

Vikas

@Cerberus I have also heard that once you root it you can't go back?

Mitch

@Lambie Have you met a racoon? They will stare you down like you're the intruder, then if you get to close they calmly whisper 'rabies' into you go away.

Cerberus

@Vikas Sure you can unroot.

Vikas

Oh. I didn't know that.

Cerberus

In order to root, you first need to ublock the bootloader, which automatically does a factory reset. After that, you can root.

If you want, you can unroot.

And you can relock the bootloader.

M.A.R.

17:59

@Vikas I realize you're having a crisis of faith but you should probably google and read up on it a bit

Vikas

@M.A.R. Well it seems too technical and I might not be able to handle it.

M.A.R.

It's like you're talking about vampires. Woooooo~ root this, root that

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