English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

M.A.R.

00:00

> For example, if a friend asked her father to physically assault me and her father did it to the girl who asked her father to do that also be charged with assault

This is what we call a "run over with a steamroller" sentence

OK so what's up with all these seekrit groups that have Wikipedia pages and lists of well-known members and such

Kinda defeats the purpose of being secret

alphabet

@M.A.R. I think the second "to" is supposed to be a "would" preceded by a comma.

Michael Rybkin

00:53

Could you please tell me if this sounds fine to you? Maybe it's better to say "with this book" instead of "on this book"?

"Arithmetic" is a 1703 mathematics textbook by the Russian educator and mathematician Leonty Magnitsky. The book served as the standard Russian mathematics textbook until the mid-18th century. Mikhail Lomonosov was educated on this book, and referred to it as the "gates of my own erudition".

Xanne

01:04

“was educated on”: you need something other than “on”—maybe “using” or “through.” Ot, “This was the book from which Lomonosov learned mathematiics.”

Robusto

@MichaelRybkin It's fine. Using "on" is fine there too.

The preposition on can be used with verbs like train, educate, etc. "He was trained on that program," and so on.

alphabet

@Robusto I think the "on" is supposed to mean "using," not "about."

Robusto

@alphabet I dunno, it sounds OK to me.

It's similar to this meaning: on prep 10. by the agency or means of: drunk on wine; talking on the phone.

Though not exactly.

Robusto

02:32

Republicans are now saying we can fight climate change by planting a trillion trees. Did they even do the math on that? First, there about 150,000,000 km2 of land on the planet (including all mountains, deserts, cities, and frozen tundras). That would mean every square km of space on the planet would have to host 6666.67 trees. And then we would have to wait 20 to 30 years for them to grow and put out enough foliage.

Well, at least this is not a climate denial.

I guess that's progress?

But too little, too late.

Cerberus

03:04

Surprisingly few in Ukraine.

@alphabet Yeah, in this context, it suggests to me that he now knows a lot about the book.

Vikas

04:46

@Robusto The problem is, far more trees would be cut till then. Especially where population is increasing rapidly.

CowperKettle

05:39

Ticket printers on the bus. You place your bank card close to it, and it takes 33 rubles from it, and prints out a ticket.

@Cerberus Because a huge part of Ukraine is steppe.

Pontic–Caspian steppe

The Pontic–Caspian steppe, formed by the Caspian steppe and the Pontic steppe, is the steppeland stretching from the northern shores of the Black Sea (the Pontus Euxinus of antiquity) to the northern area around the Caspian Sea. It extends from Dobruja in the northeastern corner of Bulgaria and southeastern Romania, through Moldova and southern and eastern Ukraine, across the Russian Northern Caucasus, the Southern and lower Volga regions to western Kazakhstan, adjacent to the Kazakh steppe to the east, both forming part of the larger Eurasian Steppe. It forms a part of the Palearctic realm and...

Historically, Dike Polye - wild fields

Wild Fields

The Wild Fields (Ukrainian: Дике Поле, romanized: Dyke Pole, Russian: Дикое Поле, romanized: Dikoye Polye, Polish: Dzikie pola, Lithuanian: Dykra, Latin: Loca deserta or campi deserti inhabitati, also translated as "the wilderness") is a historical term used in the Polish–Lithuanian documents of the 16th to 18th centuries to refer to the Pontic steppe in the territory of present-day Eastern and Southern Ukraine and Western Russia, north of the Black Sea and Azov Sea. According to Ukrainian historian Vitaliy Shcherbak the term appeared sometime in the 15th century for territory between the Dniester...

> The Wild Fields were traversed by the Muravsky Trail and Izyumsky Trail, important warpaths used by the Crimean Tatars to invade and pillage the Grand Duchy of Moscow.

The Moscow Kingdom built huge "barrier lines"

Great Zasechnaya cherta

Zasechnaya cherta (Russian: Большая засечная черта, loosely translated as Great Abatis Line or Great Abatis Border) was a chain of fortification lines, created by Grand Duchy of Moscow and later the Tsardom of Russia to protect it from the Crimean-Nogai Raids that ravaged the southern provinces of the country via the Muravsky Trail during the Russo-Crimean Wars. It was south of the original line along the Oka River. It also served as a border between the Muscovite State and the steppe nomads. As a fortification line stretching for hundreds of kilometers, the Great Abatis Border is analogous to...

But Tatars managed to break through anyway.

Vikas

06:14

Jimmy Wales just mailed me to donate him some money for Wikipedia. I'm famous.

M.A.R.

06:27

@Robusto they preserve their mathematical faculties for the gerrymandering

CowperKettle

08:55

Linguistics of the day: univerbation - the diachronic process of combining a fixed expression of several words into a new single word. The univerbating process is epitomized in Talmy Givón's aphorism that "today's morphology is yesterday's syntax".

CowperKettle

09:15

For example, Ukrainian навiть is cognate with Polish nawet. Polish nawet arose through univerbation of na +‎ wet.[1][2] The shift from an adverb to a particle was influenced by German sogar.[3] First attested in 1575.[4]

nawet

== Kashubian == === Etymology === Borrowed from Polish nawet. === Pronunciation === IPA(key): /ˈnavʲɛt/ Syllabification: na‧wet === Particle === nawet even (in reality; implying an extreme example in the case mentioned, as compared to the implied reality) === Further reading === Stefan Ramułt (1893), “navet”, in Słownik języka pomorskiego czyli kaszubskiego, page 119 Eùgeniusz Gòłąbk (2011), “nawet”, in Słownik Polsko-Kaszubski / Słowôrz Pòlskò-Kaszëbsczi, page 89 “nawet”, in Internetowi Słowôrz Kaszëbsczégò Jãzëka [Internet Dictionary of the Kashubian Language], Fundacja Kaszuby,...

CowperKettle

11:53

Man gets 13 years of jail for "wanting to throw a Molotov cocktail at a military comissariat (conscription/recruitment building)". He allegedly stopped short of throwing the bottle and tried to go away upon seeing a guard. meduza.io/news/2023/07/25/…

Robusto

12:38

#Worldle #550 1/6 (100%)
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jlliagre

12:57

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Michael Rybkin

@Robusto Thank you very much.

jlliagre

🌎 Jul 25, 2023 🌍
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globle-game.com
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Robusto

13:18

@Vikas The problem is it's impossible. There'd never be enough space for them.

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CowperKettle

Maybe the construction of one-family houses should be forbidden, because it's eating up the precious territory. It's better to build a 30-floor tower and leave acres of parks and wood around than to kill Earth with urban sprawl.

The same with cemeteries, and parking lots.

Personal automobiles should be owned by those who can pay for an undergound storage space.

Prices on them should be artificially pressed higher, as prices on cigarettes.

Humanity should stop behaving like spoiled kids.

Vikas

@Robusto That is also true.

CowperKettle

I wonder if there is a list of strength training exercises that do not evoke the Valsalva maneuver. I've been reading up, and it seems that such exercises bring about eye pain and reddening in my case (transplanted corneas).

Strength training generally lowers intraocular pressure, but only after the exercise. Right during the exercise, there are periods of sharply increased eye pressure during these Valsalva maneuvers.

Or maybe there are techniques for avoiding the Valsalva while stressing the same muscles, as, say, during squats or chin-ups.

Mitch

13:35

@jlliagre Chatte, chienne, is a female cow a vachette? taurelle?

Laurel

Continuing the discussion of how closing works from a few days ago: I wish this wasn't possible (multiple reopen reviews, duplicate names):

I also wish there was some sort of filtering so I could take better screenshots :p

Mitch

@jlliagre There's a fancy bakery around here (overpriced French pastries, overpriced because they're French-like) called Lakon, which I always think should be 'Le Con' or 'La Conne'. I don't know what 'Lakon' should be. 'Laocoon'?

jlliagre

@Mitch A female cow is a vache, otherwise, that would be a taureau. Their kids are the veaux (both genders), sometimes vachettes (young females). A bœuf is a castrated male.

CowperKettle

Laconic.

There's a kind of Caucasus bread called lavash. I always associated it with French vache

Mitch

@CowperKettle Oh la vache!

@Laurel Looking at that question, it really is an ELU question, and poor for them. It does seem bad policy to allow the same person to reclose it multiple times though.

jlliagre

13:50

@Mitch Never heard of Lakon before. It's not a name originating from France, maybe Finnish.

Mitch

@jlliagre maybe it is some Bretagne thing?

I think they're bretagne (they make Kouign-amann)

jlliagre

@Mitch It doesn't sound like anything Breton. My guess is that it is a last name, not something edible.

jlliagre

14:08

@Mitch I see they sometimes use an accent on Làkon, not French. The name might originate from Thailand: bostonglobe.com/2023/04/18/lifestyle/…

Lampang

Lampang, also called Nakhon Lampang (Thai: นครลำปาง, pronounced [náʔkʰɔːn lampaːŋ]) to differentiate from Lampang province, is the third largest city in northern Thailand and capital of Lampang province and the Mueang Lampang district. Traditional names for Lampang include Wiang Lakon and Khelang Nakhon. The city is a trading and transportation center. Lampang lies 601 km (373 mi) north of Bangkok and 101 km (63 mi) southeast of Chiang Mai. == Geography == Lampang city is in the valley of the Wang River, bordered by the Khun Tan Range on the west and the Phi Pan Nam Range on the east. The river...

Traditional names for Lampang include Wiang Lakon and Khelang Nakhon.

Mitch

@jlliagre Yep, that's it. 'Lakon is the city's traditional name (for Lampang)'

I liked it better when I thought it was a rude swear.

Truth ruins all the fun.

jlliagre

Sorry, next time I will lie!

Mitch

More truth - that place should be shut down as a health hazard. People splayed on the ground outside the door in diabetic seizures, ketoacidosis run amok, sugar junkies stumbling from there to the dialysis clinic next door.

@jlliagre It's tough. Do you want your doctor to say exactly what will happen or do you want them to dissemble to your face and say 'No worries at all! The pain will go away soon!'

CowperKettle

14:30

Head of the Duma Defense Committee defends the new proposed package of amendments to military service legislation by saying that "the proposed law has been written for a big war, for general mobilization. And there are already signs that such a awar is approaching"

Other Duma members proposed to exempt some categories from mobilization (those with many kids, those with dependent/ill relatives)

"And you are trying to create loopholes for those potential shirkers!" he goes on.

jlliagre

15:27

Jun 27 at 13:45, by jlliagre

MetaEd

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CowperKettle

17:56

@Mitch Cudos for the use of the rare word dissemble

> While to his arms the blushing bride he took,
To seeming sadness she composed her look;
As if by force subjected to his will,
Though pleased, dissembling, and a woman still.

(Dryden)

Robusto

18:14

Daily Octordle #547
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Ouch.

@CowperKettle Kudos for thinking that's a rare word.

CowperKettle

Warning of a forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation

Atlantic meridional overturning circulation

The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) is part of a global thermohaline circulation in the oceans and is the zonally integrated component of surface and deep currents in the Atlantic Ocean. It is characterized by a northward flow of warm, salty water in the upper layers of the Atlantic, and a southward flow of colder, deep waters. These "limbs" are linked by regions of overturning in the Nordic and Labrador Seas and the Southern Ocean, although the extent of overturning in the Labrador Sea is disputed. The AMOC is an important component of the Earth's climate system, and is a result...

> Here we provide statistical significance and data-driven estimators for the time of tipping. We estimate a collapse of the AMOC to occur around mid-century under the current scenario of future emissions.

I'm against tipping.

Especially cow tipping.

> A 2005 study led by Margo Lillie, a zoologist at the University of British Columbia, and her student Tracy Boechler, concluded that tipping a cow would require a force of nearly 3,000 newtons (670 lbf)[5] and is therefore impossible to accomplish by a single person.

alphabet

18:37

Alphabet's Law: the number of upvotes you get for an answer is inversely proportional to the time you spent writing it.

Vikas

18:55

@alphabet I spent longest time in writing a question myself and then answering it. I got nothing lol. So I can agree.

MetaEd

@alphabet which of your answers got the most upvotes?

Robusto

@alphabet What's wrong with being succinct and economical?

Vikas

19:11

If two people are fighting and one says "nobody's coming (or going) to your funeral" in angry tone, what does it mean?

Robusto

@Vikas I would think it means: 1) I'm going to kill you, and 2) You will not be missed.

MetaEd

19:31

@CowperKettle I grew up in Iowa. Never saw anybody tip a cow. And now I live in Texas, and ditto.

Mitch

20:15

@CowperKettle It could easily have been a malapropism on my part, but on checking it fits the main (only) one just fine. Though not in the expected connotation.

alphabet

@MetaEd Most recently it was this one: ell.stackexchange.com/a/339247/167104

MetaEd

@alphabet I mean, what is your all time highest upvoted answer?

Robusto

21:16

@Mitch There's another possibility: tyop.

jlliagre

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Q: What does "tip a cow" mean?

I was watching "The Big Bang theory" S7 E9. And I couldn't understand the meaning of "tip a cow". Please also explain the remaining conversation too. I am an Asian and not good at English. Here is the full conversation: Leonard: The math is all there. It's not real. Penny: Yes, it is. Sheldon: Y...

MetaEd

21:47

@jlliagre Nebraska, huh. Well that explains some things.

On rare occasions we saw people move from Iowa to Nebraska. This would generally elevate the average IQ of both states.

jlliagre

@MetaEd mdr

Laurel

@alphabet This has been known for years, probably even predating my time. I think a lot of it comes down to writing HNQ bait

Here's mine:

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A: What is it called when experts think they only know a small part of a topic and amateurs think they know almost all of a topic?

Sounds like the Dunning–Kruger effect: The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger attributed this bias to a ...

I wonder when I'll get another answer that even comes close to this single sentence with a Wikipedia quote

alphabet

22:05

@Laurel what does HNQ mean??

Laurel

Hot Network Questions. Look in the sidebar next time (we won't be expecting you for the next thirty minutes after that :p)

The sidebar on the main site

alphabet

@Laurel Ahhh I just didn't know the acronym

I was hoping my answer on the "cash me outside" question would be popular but I ended up only half-answering it

Bhad Bhabie hurts my little raccoon brain

Laurel

You can check the revision history/timeline of the Q to see if it got to HNQ

At least for anything from 2017 and newer

Once you've been on SE long enough checking becomes unnecessary since you can figure it out just by looking at the views and votes

alphabet

I just want to be famous

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Enough to promote my milk diet agenda

Laurel

@alphabet •______________• I do not approve of your lifestyle choices

I'm glad that (according to what you said like last week) that you're not actually having milk for most of your meals

It seems really dangerous. Like an eating disorder

I too want to be famous so I can tell everyone to not try the milk diet :p

Mitch

22:27

Given that I know some doctors, I highly recommend the all milk diet, but only from birth to ~1 yr, slowly introducing solids towards the end of that year.

alphabet

@Laurel I think the science is there concerning the danger of NMFs (non-milk foods)

jlliagre

Lait, lait, du lait !

alphabet

I have entered lactosis

jlliagre

Bob Dylan - Lay, Lady, Lay (Official Audio)

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alphabet

@Laurel At most half my meals. It's...probably fine, I think, as long as I don't do it indefinitely and get enough vitamins and such.

It's not an eating disorder, just general mental problems, yk?

As a raccoon, of course, I'm also a "theftatarian"

Mitch

22:41

@alphabet Watch out for lactosintolerosis

jlliagre

22:57

Until 1956, French schoolchildren were allowed half a liter of wine, beer or cider for lunch. The government decided to prohibit this for under-14s and to promote a glass of milk a day instead.

Laurel

@Mitch That's never cow's milk tho

Mitch

@Laurel snort

or rather moo

jlliagre

Laurel

@alphabet I've been reading about atypical anorexia, which is basically anorexia found in overweight people. People with the condition feel like shit all the time from not eating enough and have dizzy spells and (for those thus afflicted) stop getting periods, which is all stuff found in the main type of anorexia too

MetaEd

23:13

@Laurel my top answer is for parsing a Trump speech. Yuck. My best parse answer didn't get anywhere near the attention. Because Trump, probably.

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A: Donald Trump's run-on sentences

It’s something else. I might not agree with Trump, but he is not incoherent or committing grammatical errors. When a person speaks extemporaneously or “off the cuff”, unless they are well trained in the art of public speaking, this example is a typical result. What you are seeing is mostly the th...

alphabet

@Laurel That's one of the of many diseases that can be cured by a high-milk diet /s

MetaEd

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A: Is this compound sentence grammatically correct?

Yes, the sentence is grammatically correct; here is a syntax diagram (parse tree) for the sentence:

Laurel

@MetaEd That's really high effort lol. I can't even really read it (well unless I zoom)

@alphabet Oh yeah???? Drink this:

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A: Is it technically correct to call an almond drink "milk" in English?

English speakers have been calling white liquids “milk” since Old English. But please don’t drink spurge milk (i.e. its white, latex-like sap), since it’s poisonous: Wið weartan genim þysse ylcan wyrte [sc. spurge's] meolc & clufþungan wos, do to þære weartan. Pseudo-Apuleius' Herbarium ...

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