English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Cerberus

00:00

@alphabet This last suggestion would solve the problem entirely.

Laurel

00:15

@alphabet With the exception of moderators (who can do whatever they damn please), each user is limited to one close vote and one reopen vote per question, which I guess only serves as a reminder that it could be worse!

Fun fact, I had an additional tab with this very chat open on my computer, with this:

lol

CowperKettle

00:57

> Cerebras and G42 Unveil Condor Galaxy 1, a 4 exaFLOPS AI Supercomputer for Generative AI

Run for the hills.

> Amongst field troops in Vietnam it became common knowledge that ingestion of a small amount of C-4 would produce a ‘high’ similar to that of ethanol, and it is possible that this was the reason for this episode. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1279680

Eating plastic explosives to get high.

CowperKettle

01:17

Antipsychotic drugs work differently than scientists believed

MetaEd

02:10

@Araucaria-Nothereanymore. nice.

alphabet

04:47

So I learned that I'm not the only one who sometimes uses personal pronouns to fill gaps in relative clauses. These are resumptive pronouns. It's not bad grammar if there's a fancy term for it.

E.g.:

> This is the girl that I don't know what she said.

That one's related to island constraints (you can't remove the "she"), but there are more ordinary examples in everyday speech:

> That's the guy who I just met him yesterday.

I think these are more common in everyday speech than one would expect.

Cerberus

05:11

@alphabet In speech, one may forget one was inside a relative clause.

So it happens.

Especially in longer sentences.

Or with those less interested in grammar.

But I would consider it an anacoluthon at best.

CowperKettle

Attack on Orleans

The attack on Orleans was a naval and air action during World War I on 21 July 1918 when a German submarine fired on a small convoy of barges led by a tugboat off Orleans, Massachusetts, on the eastern coast of the Cape Cod peninsula. Several shells fired during the engagement likely missed their intended maritime or aircraft targets and fell to earth in the area around Orleans, giving the impression of a deliberate attack on the town. == Action == On the morning of 21 July 1918, German submarine U-156, commanded by Kapitänleutnant Richard Feldt, was possibly attempting to cut the trans-Atlantic...

Germany attacked US territory in 1918.

Vikas

06:51

And then World War I ended :)

Xanne

07:08

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M.A.R.

07:20

@CowperKettle um, this is blatatly false. That is, it's not at all new information, or I wouldn't have encountered it in my undergrad (!) textbooks. The study itself does seem novel, I dunno enough to know whether it's groundbreaking

CowperKettle

07:32

@M.A.R. The modern textbooks also mention the moducation of D1-positive neurons in the striatum by antipsychotics?

Yes, sometimes news are overhyped. I also wanted to glance at the full text, but it's not on the Sci-Hub yet. sci-hub.ru

@Vikas Never mess with New Orleans :)

Vikas

07:48

Feels like 51 C. I guess it's because of more humidity?

CowperKettle

Oh.. My condolences!

+21 C here.

Vikas

But it might not be fully accurate.

How's wind speed there?

Slow wind also makes it bad.

CowperKettle

Here, the wind speed is 5 m/s

Vikas

6 km/h seems less.

@CowperKettle Let me calculate.

@CowperKettle meters per second?

CowperKettle

Yes

Vikas

07:52

Oh. Mine shows 1.6 m/s. Obviously too slow.

CowperKettle

Ventusky says it's about 18 km/h here in Yekaterinburg ventusky.com/?p=56.87;59.17;6&l=wind-10m

Vikas

I'm comparing with your link.

CowperKettle

The temperature map there looks nice.

Vikas

@CowperKettle Yeah. I had to change units. Although temperature shows 34 C (a little less).

It's interesting website. Many features.

Perceived temperature: 44 C.

There's dramatic difference in these two pics. North-West India seems hotter.

jlliagre

08:12

@CowperKettle Orleans ≠ New Orleans

CowperKettle

@jlliagre Oops!

M.A.R.

08:28

@CowperKettle yeah. In Parkinson's as well.

CowperKettle

South Park episode generated by AI: fablestudio.github.io/showrunner-agents

@M.A.R. But the new paper seems to insist that the main antipsychotic action depends on D1 receptors, while the D2 has been in the focus for the last 60 years

I've been injecting this Russian-made insulin, and it feels like it's not working on me. I don't get blood sugar "trending towards hypo" two hours after a meal, even with 3 units injected.

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle we know that D1-type receptors play a role in all these diseases, but they're not useful clinical targets yet. For example, off the top of my head, some D1-selective anti-Parkinson drugs were developed (e.g. dihydrexidine) but they caused such strong hypotension that they were essentially useless

(Parkinson's dopaminergic pathways differ from those implicated in psychosis but the general idea is the same)

CowperKettle

09:47

@M.A.R. Oh, cool!

I recently read a cool news about a subtype of Parkinson's -- it was discovered that in all people, lysosomes connect to mitochondria to supply some material, while in those with the mutation, the bridge tended to break easily, leaving mitochondria in the lurch. I'm amazed at the sheer tiny scale of their investigation. To look into molecular-sized connections inside a live cell, a neuron to boot.

> In a prior study, published in Nature, Dimitri Krainc and his group discovered that lysosomes and mitochondria form contacts with each other. After the initial discovery, Northwestern scientists tried to understand the function of these contacts in Parkinson’s disease. genengnews.com/topics/translational-medicine/…

Michael Rybkin

10:24

Could you please tell me if this sentence sounds fine to you guys?

Macron - a leader every country is longing to have.

Vikas

10:42

> Fans book hospital beds ahead of India-Pakistan ODI World Cup match in Ahmedabad

LOL

Jugaad.

M.A.R.

11:49

@MichaelRybkin no because Macron is a horrible person. Anyway the grammar sounds fine

@Vikas what's ODI, some sort of infection?

M.A.R.

12:02

I was quite the janitor back in the day, I'll have you know

@alphabet from experience, a higher close vote threshold would translate to far fewer questions being reopened than closed. An SE site with a habit of closing questions would find three, five, as many people as you want to close questions, but the reopen queue would become totally pointless.

alphabet

NYT:

> Russian investigators have detained Igor Girkin, a former Russian intelligence officer who is a popular nationalist blogger, his wife, Miroslava, said. A sharp critic of Russia’s conduct of the war in Ukraine, Mr. Girkin was accused of extremism, she said.

M.A.R.

Sorry for the double ping, my internet is being a banshee today

alphabet

@M.A.R. Yep, agreed.

M.A.R.

@alphabet I have no idea what to say. "What took them so long?" "Whose tail did he step on?" "What changed?"

Michael Rybkin

12:20

@M.A.R. Thank you.

jlliagre

@MichaelRybkin Elections used to be about "voting for who you like best", but today it's more often about "voting for who you reject least".

Robusto

@MichaelRybkin That's not a sentence.

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Michael Rybkin

12:57

@Robusto Good point. Thank you.

@jlliagre Oh, that is sadly so, my dear friend.

CowperKettle

@alphabet Yes, it was expected, but it's still a shock.

From the first second of Prigozhin's mutiny, Girkin called on to defend Vladimir Putin and to crush the mutiny. Yet Prigozhin was allowed to get his billions and his thugs, and move to Belarus, and Girkin may end up behind bars.

Robusto

Goalkeeper Donnarumma and partner attacked and robbed in Paris

When did Paris become Mexico?

Vikas

@M.A.R. One Day Infection ;)

CowperKettle

Cricket.

Vikas

Yes.

CowperKettle

13:09

Today I saw a black guy riding a bicycle past me, near my house. The first time in my life.

Previously they were just walking, and sometimes jogging. Now the first one on a bicycle.

I never saw a black man riding a bicycle in real life before.

However, with African population showing the highest rates of growth, maybe half of Yekaterinburg will be black by 2050.

They will migrate everywhere.

And in the endocrinology wing of the hospital where I was staying, one of the trainee nurses wore a full-length dress (down to her ankles, and all hands covered), and all of hear head was always covered with a Muslim scarf. Also the first time in my life.

Central Asian people are getting more populous here.

The Azerbaijani man, my ward neighbor, asked me to find some phone app so that he could pray facing the Kaaba

I found a couple of apps, and showed him the direction to the Kaaba.

The next day, he asked the scarfed Muslim nurse to check, and she said, yes, 210 degrees, that's it.

But I don't think it would be a great sin to pray not facing the Kaaba exactly. There were no phone apps in the previous years.

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle if you don't know where it is it's not a sin to pray in some random direction. There are ways of finding SW that don't involve phones though

alphabet

13:30

@CowperKettle This is one of those moments where I remember that America's racial diversity is actually unusual.

@M.A.R. As I recall, some imams have debated the question of how and when to pray in outer space.

jlliagre

13:43

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jlliagre

13:57

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CowperKettle

helaas pindakaas

Interjection: helaas pindakaas

(humorous, idiomatic) too bad, oh well

CowperKettle

14:17

@alphabet We have diversity, but it's not as evident, because Tatars, Koreans, Poles, Jews, Germans Ukrainians, Bulgarians, Uralic peoples, etc living in Russia have white skin.

user4539917

No Indians?

CowperKettle

@user4539917 I haven't seen Indians here..

user4539917

Don't you have native Indians?

CowperKettle

In Siberia, in my apartment block there were Jews, Azerbaijanis (one of them was a local policeman). In my class in Siberia there were Armenians. My school friend for a couple of years in school was Anatoly (Tolya) Mickiewicz, with red hair. He used to joke that one of his ancestors was the famous Polish poet Adam Mickiewicz.

@user4539917 No

Adam Mickiewicz

Adam Bernard Mickiewicz (Polish pronunciation: [ˈadam mit͡sˈkʲɛvit͡ʂ] (listen); 24 December 1798 – 26 November 1855) was a Polish poet, dramatist, essayist, publicist, translator and political activist. He is regarded as national poet in Poland, Lithuania and Belarus. A principal figure in Polish Romanticism, he is one of Poland's "Three Bards" (Polish: Trzej Wieszcze) and is widely regarded as Poland's greatest poet. He is also considered one of the greatest Slavic and European poets and has been dubbed a "Slavic bard". A leading Romantic dramatist, he has been compared in Poland and Europe to...

jlliagre

15:32

@CowperKettle "Alas, peanut cheese" :-)

MetaEd

16:25

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Robusto

@MetaEd Dude.

@jlliagre Hey, we have peanut butter, why not peanut cheese?

MetaEd

@Robusto yeah, I wondered if that one would get me.

Robusto

@MetaEd I was tempted to scold you for bringing that score into this ~~sanctuary~~ temple of Wordle.

But then I remembered I've done worse. ^_^

MetaEd

16:41

@Robusto Scolding is so internet chatroom. Wait, where are we

Robusto

17:04

R.I.P. Tony Bennett

Where others were crass, this man was pure class.

MetaEd

18:39

@Robusto I can never keep track of the celebrities I should respect and the ones I should condemn. It seems to change from year to year.

Cerberus

19:12

Why know any celebrities?

A waste of time and a corruption of the soul.

M.A.R.

I am not a celebrity so I approve of that sentiment

Robusto

@MetaEd A celebrity is someone who is famous for being well known. Tony Bennett was known for being a singer.

MetaEd

@Robusto What's the word for someone who is infamous for being unknown? A: Banksy.

Robusto

If anything, he was modest and retiring. But loved to sing. And did it well.

@MetaEd I haven't the slightest idea.

MetaEd

I'd retire if I could, but I'll probably work until I'm dead.

Robusto

19:24

I retired before work could kill me.

Mitch

20:24

@CowperKettle Kazakhs? Don't they look east Asian?

CowperKettle

21:09

Well, yes, a bit

Tony Bennett

Anthony Dominick Benedetto (August 3, 1926 – July 21, 2023), known professionally as Tony Bennett, was an American singer. Bennett amassed many accolades throughout his career, including 20 Grammy Awards, a Lifetime Achievement Award, and two Primetime Emmy Awards. He was named an NEA Jazz Master and a Kennedy Center Honoree, and was the founder of the Frank Sinatra School of the Arts in Astoria, Queens, New York. Bennett sold more than 50 million records worldwide. Bennett began singing at an early age. He fought in the final stages of World War II as a U.S. Army infantryman in the European Theater...

Almost a hundred years.

Our review suggests that a strong scientific foundation is lacking for some of the most commonly recommended happiness strategies

> And Happiness? A bubble on the stream,
That in the act of seizing shrinks to nought.
(John Clare)

MetaEd

@CowperKettle Let's practice gratitude for this article. :D

Mitch

@MetaEd I'm thankful for the ability to be grateful

That's it. That's all I got

MetaEd

@Mitch I'm glad for that.

Mitch

@MetaEd being happy? That's a whole nother thing entirely

And integrity? Pfft

What is this, some boy scout meeting?

Thrifty?

What's the churchy one?

Not respect but that should be on the list

Re- something

Reverent?

Re verent?

I think that's weird but it's probably one of them

MetaEd

22:50

@Mitch no, no, you're thinking of an animated corpse. which is weird, yes, and churchy

jlliagre

23:18

@Robusto Sure, you can do all of these things with peanut milk.

Mitch

23:35

@MetaEd a pope?

If I were anti-catholic, that would be hilarious.

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