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First one I've seen about settling an argument between Minecraft players. And hopefully the last.
> In the situation you described, it seems like there was a disagreement between you and CC regarding whether they were quoting someone or providing an example. It's natural to feel confused in such situations, as communication can sometimes be ambiguous or open to interpretation. To gain a better understanding, let's analyze the situation.

When CC said, "You're so stupid because you can't make friends," it appears that they were making a statement directed at another person. However, when you confronted CC about it, they claimed that it was an example. This led to an argument between the
Quoth Eliza.
ChatGPT, is that you?
01:14
@M.A.R. that's ironek
@MetaEd Yes?
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You kids and your posters.
It's what the kids call a /ˈmɛ.meɪ/
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Q: In 19th century, why was it grammatical to place "such" after its referent? But UNgrammatical in 2023, when "such" must antecede its referent?

user1187177Please analyze why these examples of "such as" were grammatical — using Syntactic Theory, but in layman's terms? But why are they UNgrammatical to the Anglophones I polled in 2023? I lighted upon these sentences here. Luria afterwards gave to the Sabbath a mystic beauty such as it had never befo...

This is a legitimate question, but the last line was, um, striking:
> I showed these examples to 3 Caucasian professors (of English descent), 4 White graduate students, and 19 undergraduates — all at a South African university's English department.
That's definitely a tabooboo.
I'm guessing it's because many non-White South Africans aren't native speakers, but it's...just an odd way of phrasing it.
02:40
I think you may be using "grammatical" when you should be using "stylistic." There is nothing ungrammatical with using "such as" in these contexts. But if your question really is why certain persons you polled say it is so, then this question may be inappropriate here. — Robusto 4 mins ago
02:54
Interesting. Indian South Africans are much more likely to be native English speakers than White South Africans
Makes sense. Most of the White people speak Afrikaans
03:40
@alphabet Your mention of the difference in the /k/ between keep and cool reminds me of the difference in the two /x/ phonemes in the Spanish city of Gijón, which is /xiˈxon/ phonemically but [xiˈχõ̞ɴ] ~ [xiˈχõ̞ŋ] phonetically. Notice how the /x/ changes depending on what follows it.
A monoglot English speaker might even think those start with /ki/. :)
Most people can manage a syllable-final /x/ in loch or Bach if they try a little, but the one at the start of syllable may be hard for folks who struggle with Van Gogh. :)
04:29
@tchrist Yeah, this came up in an earlier question about get and got; keep/cool was the example Prof Lawler used for palatalization.
After learning that, I tried pronouncing "get" and "got" with the "wrong" allophones. Sounded weird.
I traced the problem with that Wiki page down to one nonsensical edit
But I haven't had the time to formulate a complete answer to OP's question
Also the page confuses "aspiration" with the partial devoicing of /r/
Pronouncing "keep" with an actual velar /k/ is oddly difficult. My tongue doesn't like having to move that far.
 
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> Bengaluru-based startup Dukaan has laid off 90 per cent of its support team. The reason? It is now using an AI chatbot to deal with customer queries. Dukaan founder Suumit Shah talked about layoffs in his recent tweets, announcing that he has replaced almost the entire support team as the company's AI chatbot has not only helped in reducing the resolution time, but it has also reduced customer support costs by 85 per cent.
 
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11:18
Today the temp has hit +40°C in Yekaterinburg, for the first time in its whole 190-year history of temperature records. e1.ru/text/summer/2023/07/11/72485264
The previous all-time high was +39.1°С in 2020.
"It is certainly plausible that the past couple days and past week were the warmest days globally in 120,000 years," University of Pennsylvania climate scientist Michael Mann said. -- the last week was the warmest on Earth for at least 44 years (by satellite measurements) and putatively for the last 120 000 years (this though is an approximate assessment)
> Johan Rockstrom, director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany, called the 63-degree mark "an exceptional outlier" that is nearly 6 degrees warmer than the average of the last 12,000 years.
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@CowperKettle That's another big abrupt change in weather.
Surprisingly it hasn't reached 40 yet here. Maximum I noticed was 39. Although the heat was unbearable at that time.
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> CNM – cāonǐmā, fuck your mother. The most common way of cursing in China. Some phrase it "sao ni ma".
@Vikas I'm surprised not to find it in my English-to-Chinese travel book.
12:44
@alphabet Why is it striking?
@Vikas Arabic has نكوموك well known in France as nikoumouk or its French version nique ta mère.
Jul 15, 2014 at 9:37, by RegDwigнt
@Robusto you have to remember that British English comes from French. "The nick" is short for "nique ta mère".
 
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ok that's a bit of support for my new search approach.
@MetaEd I'll be impressed with your method when you consistently get it in 2 tries.
@Mitch I'll be impressed if my average goes below 4.
Create a new account.
It'll be worth it.
@Mitch wait, I need to think about the karma that creates
@MetaEd karma, or Karma?
15:46
@Mitch you mean like dharma or Dharma?
All your SE rep points are convertible into frequent flyer miles.
@Mitch oh shit, I'm buying a ticket
But wordle avg score...
That's probably good for a bonus when entering Heaven
I mean you'll have to get there by some other means but wordle avg score will get you glow-ups when you walk in the door.
That's how the RMG explained it to me.
(the Religion Marketing Group)
@Mitch if I create a second account, which part of my body goes to which place with which account
@MetaEd The inside? Most religions are not into appearances.
15:52
haha SMBC is weird
I was looking up the PTL Club (which -of course- is related to the 700 Club) and contrary to my vague memory, it really is an acronym for Praise the Lord. I had thought the letters hadd something to do with 'prosperity' or something like that.
@MetaEd I think the conversion rate is 1 SE rep point = 1/100 $
so
probably no Tahiti vacation out of that
16:14
@alphabet right, sorry, I've mentioned the Hijri Shamsi calendar here before so I assumed everyone knew what I meant
@Mitch it's a magical place
@Mitch Yay!! I'll visit Paris after I've cashed in my reputation points!
What did SMBC stand for again? Simple Mind-Blowing Comics?
@M.A.R. Some Mind Boggling Chemistry
@M.A.R. Sumitomo Morning Banking Cereal.
16:27
Banking cereal? What, it's made of calculator bits?
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@MetaEd I mean it's probably really nice but it ain't no Disney world
@jlliagre I'm sending that you live very near to Paris, possibly, for maximum effect, within Paris.
@M.A.R. it's a long transcript - I'm still working on Winter/Spring 2017-2018.
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@CowperKettle dude. I don't think Tabriz has hit that high in years
@CowperKettle hey how are you doing?
 
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@Mitch I live 20 miles from Paris.
Today's PR is for PRspiration.
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Daily Quordle 533
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@M.A.R. No, my fault for continually being confused
@Mitch Seems like an odd thing to mention, but makes sense when you consider that White South Africans are much more likely to be native speakers
@Mitch that'll get me to Michigan and back tho
Weather here is decent. Back to summer thunderstorms starting Friday, though.
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It's freezing here, 32° max today.
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#globle
Haha.
We are not amused ?
Hehe.
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#Worldle #536 1/6 (100%)
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> be yourself or at least equivalent to yourself up to weak equivalence if you really must
this^ only applies if you know thyself
@jlliagre It's easy to forget that is a country.
@Robusto Yes, it has shrunk a lot over the last few centuries, but for some reason it has managed to retain visibility. It's three times smaller than our start country, which is already tiny.
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4.6 times smaller, apparently.
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@alphabet I don't get what's strange about the quote. People who are white in SA are obviously colonists from NE or UK and very likely to be native (L1) speakers of Afrikaans or English, and those who are dark skinned very likely to have generations living there before 300 years ago and very likely to speak some Bantu variety (I'm still not sure I understand exactly what 'coloured' is, I had thought it was Indian but that doesn't seem right.)
Also I don't understand what you mean by "White South Africans are much more likely to be native speakers" ... -everybody- is a native speaker of their L1, right?
1) that's awful for the people who lost their jobs
2) Customer service is a loss for any company (it generates -no- money, they only do it because it feels like they should) so reducing head count there is a huge improvement for the company budget.
3) I hope they tested their chatbots a lot... I've never had a good experience with chat, always have to repeat the same info to a live person to get something done.
4) maybe all those employees who lost their job should move over to training chatbots
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@Mitch It's odd because the asker didn't say "I polled native L1 speakers"; they said "I polled White people." It makes more sense in SA than it does in the US, of course, but it is an odd thing to say.
Coloured = mixed-race.

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