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Word of the day: shives -- the wooden refuse removed during processing flax, hemp, or jute, as opposed to the fibres (tow). The words for "October" in Polish, Lithuanian and Belarussian are derived from shives, because decortication of plants was performed in October. Кастрычнік, październik, spalis.
 
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> So then I dropped it in the mailbox
And sent it special D
Bright and early next morning
It came right back to me
Oh, it's "special D". I never could decipher it back in the 1990s.
@CowperKettle "Special delivery"?
Yes
There were no lyrics available back then, I only could guess what he pronounced there.
 
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Word of the day: larping
 
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10:49
I wonder if there's a way to distinguish a male from a female squirrel from a distance.
11:35
Word of the eve: depauperate (Because of their isolation and subpolar location, the French Southern Lands are relatively depauperate of vegetation, with both Saint-Paul and Crozet having no native tree or shrub species.)
 
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@CowperKettle The poor have no bread? Soon we'll be a depauperate nation.
14:15
"Would you like a gummie?" "No, but I'd take a grouchie or a harpie." Cheekie remark, I know.
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15:08
I wonder if ChatGPT could compose fairy tales for a given number of the Aarne–Thompson–Uther Index
Like "I want a Gone with the Wind retold in the vein of ATU 1350"
@CowperKettle 'French Southern Lands' is a new term to me.
@CowperKettle Link please!
Also, I don't think you want that version of GWTW.
Here found it already
The Aarne–Thompson–Uther Index (ATU Index) is a catalogue of folktale types used in folklore studies. The ATU Index is the product of a series of revisions and expansions by an international group of scholars: originally composed in German by Finnish folklorist Antti Aarne (1910), the index was translated into English, revised, and expanded by American folklorist Stith Thompson (1928, 1961), and later further revised and expanded by German folklorist Hans-Jörg Uther (2004). The ATU Index, along with Thompson's Motif-Index of Folk-Literature (1932) – with which it is used in tandem, is an essential...
You've put me in the weird position of having to defend GWTW. It's not folklore at all.
It's not -great- literature at all. It's on the continuum of Jane Austen at the top and 50 Shades of Gray at the bottom, but it's not near the top.
...despite it being the favorite movie (did people bother to read even back then?) of all the women in my parent's generation.
Did you read the book?
Me?
I liked the book when I read it as a boy
No, it's a romance novel.
it's closer to pulp fiction /Harlequin romance than it is to belles lettres.
15:22
But there are such epic events. I did not know that much about the Civil War in the USA
@CowperKettle I was taken to see the movie as a child (10 yrs old). It's 4 hours long. Which is too long for the best birthday party ever.
And Uncle Tom's Cabin? Is it better? I don't recall how I liked it or not.
@CowperKettle A piece of literature about epic events is not necessarily an epic piece of literature.
For cultural and conversational relevance, I grew up in Virginia, a former confederate state, so I was aware the book and movie were very popular there.
I'm now curious whether it was even published in the Soviet years.
@CowperKettle I'm pretty sure that was a book we were supposed to have read during middle school, but I don't remember ever reading it. Either the teacher that year we were supposed to read it chose another book, or it was a summer reading choice and I chose some science fiction instead.
But we're skipping the important point about your idea
which is excellent
15:27
It was published in 1982. The first book was translated by one translator, the second by a different one.
most folktales, in -all- cultures, from Grimm's fairy tales to Navaho 'Tales of the Coyote' are analyzable in a 'Structural' framework.
That is, one can identify a small handful of templates with slots to fill in and get all the folktales (even though they all seem so different)
So, somebody should set up a ChatFOLKTALE engine to generate billions of tales.
The French Southern and Antarctic Lands (French: Terres australes et antarctiques françaises, TAAF) is an overseas Territory (French: Territoire d'outre-mer or TOM) of France. It consists of: Adélie Land (Terre Adélie), the French claim on the continent of Antarctica. Crozet Islands (Îles Crozet), a group in the southern Indian Ocean, south of Madagascar. Kerguelen Islands (Archipel des Kerguelen), a group of volcanic islands in the southern Indian Ocean, southeast of Africa. Saint Paul and Amsterdam Islands (Îles Saint Paul et Amsterdam), a group to the north of the Kerguelen Islands. The Scattered...
And though that framework was developed to understand indigenous folktales, it supposedly works well with more ... complicated literature.
For example, romances (like Harlequin Romances), westerns (cowboys and indians and sheriffs and shoot outs)
I've heard it applied to the James Bond series.
@jlliagre Area: 400 000 sq km -- compare with Ukraine: 600 000 sq km; and the population: 200 to 400 people.
Putin should have really captured them instead of Ukraine.
Less hassle. To protect the rights of Russian-speaking penguins and stuff.
15:34
@jlliagre I've heard of (some of) those islands separately, just never the English (or French) inclusive term.
'French Southern Lands' has an interesting feel to it to me.
I really thought 'what a strange way to refer to Provence'
@CowperKettle That only AIs will bother to read.
@Mitch I have heard Les terres australes but more often we refer to them as Les Kerguelen.
Also 'land' sort of implied to me 'broad expanse', and having never heard the term before I was wondering what broad southern land this must be referring to.
French Australia?
@jlliagre Kerguelen is kind of tiny isn't it?
They are all small islands, nothing like Australia, and cold.
Does 'terre' have, well, not exactly the connotation of broad and flat, but some sort of implication?
Terre is the antonym of mer.
Well, lakes apart.
15:39
@jlliagre What do you call, if I may be so bold as to ask, a meal that is comprised of a steak -and- a lobster?
It's not 'terre et mer' is it?
@Mitch Huh, a heresy?
@jlliagre snort
yes, it's an awful excess and totally pointless
Etymology of the hour: pool -- From French poule (“collective stakes in a game”). The French word "poule" in this context is an abbreviation of "poulain, pouliche" (foal, filly), and referred to races with female horses under 3 years old.
There's this thing, a meal, you can order at some American seafood restaurants called 'surf and turf', which is (intentionally) a seafood item and a meat item, I'm pretty sure usually a lobster and a steak though I suppose one could logically have trout and lamb but I don't know if that's ever done.
Because there's no such thing as 'courses' in American meals, you get the two on the same plate.
Have I ever gotten such a thing?
No.
I've also never been in a Turkish prison, why would I choose to do that?
@CowperKettle Most of this surface is from a slice of Antartica not formally part of France. It might be easier for Putin to plan a war on the Moon than there...
15:46
@CowperKettle But yes, I'm sure that is not too hard to set up.
@Mitch Why not though?
Nice to know about the ATE index though. That came out around the same time (says wiki) as the Russian formalist school which I think is a progenitor of the Structuralist movement in literary criticism.
@Cerberus Never been invited.
I didn't know you had to be invited.
I'm not fishing though!
@Cerberus I don't think you can just walk right in
When you're a vagabond and need lodgings?
15:50
Are they on AirBnB? I'll look up their rates.
I can't seem to find anything.
Ohhhh... I had the filters on with 'sea view'
You might also want to turn off the beauty filter.
oh.
OK.
They don't paint?
@Mitch It might be called that way in Québec. In Paris, restaurants call it Surf and Turf. I had never heard of it before.
All these early 19thc novels where people are traveling randomly all over Europe, without visas or worrying about currency exchange... they're always just a little but too far from the nearest inn so they just ... sleep outside. I find it very strange. LIke even under a tree it's going to be damp.
A beauty filter is a filter applied to still photographs, or to video in real time, to enhance the physical attractiveness of the subject. Typical effects of such filters include smoothing skin texture and modifying the proportions of facial features, for example enlarging the eyes or narrowing the nose. Filters may be included as a built-in feature of social media apps such as Instagram or Snapchat, or implemented through standalone applications such as Facetune. Critics have raised concerns that the widespread use of such filters on social media may lead to negative body image, particularly among...
15:55
@jlliagre Poutine is awesome. Not good for you, but still awesome.
But Surf and Turf is the rhyming name I remember (and it surely is still a thing) in the US.
I mean really though... you can't choose one or the other?
@Mitch I guess you're not talking of the guy.
@jlliagre Well, for different nuances of 'awesome' that could still work.
Time for a Surf and Turf only diet!
@CowperKettle RIP
@Mitch people in the 90s were just very content, y'know, because it was the 90s. Not like the bitter cynical Scrooges that we are. That thing with too many legs crawling up your pants? Who cares, look at the stars in the sky! Wow!
Look at the stars in the sky for a sense of perspective. Sure, you have that thing with too many legs crawling up your pants. But up there, billions of things with too many legs. It's all relative. This is what Einstein taught us. Too many legs.
16:08
Are you Chat GPT?
I should be.
I mean, who among us is not really ChatGPT.
Who, indeed?
Do you think it has indexed us, this very room?
I don't remember if the chat rooms discourage indexing.
So it doesn't answer the question.
16:17
@jlliagre way way way too much cholesterol. and fat. gout city.
Onto or on to?
@Cerberus I've noticed lately that when I'm taking a picture with my phone, if I stand back (or really put the phone a little forward) and I look at reality and the phone picture at the same time), the phone picture looks much better than reality.
It may be using a beauty filter automatically.
I mean the picture looks sharp and bright and colorful. But reality is somewhat more drab and lifeless.
You could look into the options of your camera application.
16:20
No filters, just all the photo enhancements part of basic camera software.
Look for beauty filter, portrait mode, HDR, etc.
It lies. It jacks the saturation and contrast unnaturally.
@tchrist Yeah I think that's it
-very- saturated-
La vie en rose.
like there's a party going on but I look around and I don't see it outside of the camera
no wonder kids these days are depressed
reality is boring
everything is zhuzhed up
All food has 'flavor-blasters'
16:22
Then you are living wrong.
All shoes have 'massage soles'
@Mitch The basic camera software has a beauty filter.
At least on my Google phone with Android 10, which is from 2020 or so.
@Cerberus But if I turn it off... what monstrosities will I see?
Lies, lies, and damned lies. Get a real camera.
I don't want people with their masks off! Keep them on! Your masks are so much better!
16:24
Why are you invading human faces?
Take pictures of things that matter instead.
@Mitch Yourself, Medusa.
@Cerberus You mean the lie has been going on for a few years?
For a long time, I gather.
I have such filters turned off on my phone.
Again, you aren't using a real camera. You're using a cutesiness insanity tool.
But the front camera always makes me look weird anyway, partly because of the close angle.
16:26
@tchrist Looking at my camera roll, it is mostly landscapes.
People want cartoons, not reality.
If I look like a cartoon in my front camera, it must be a cartoon of a balrog.
@Cerberus I'm sure I've never once taken a picture of myself. I don't send dick pix.
@Cerberus oh yeah the weird curved perspective making ones face bulge out in the middle
You need a 105mm lens for portraiture.
16:26
@tchrist Your body might have other parts.
@Cerberus Flamin' hot Cerb
I do not take naked pictures of myself btw.
@Cerberus As did Narcissus's.
@tchrist Kodachrome lied, but beautifully.
@Mitch Burnt and rotting!
16:27
You want a 105mm lens for portraiture because of its optical properties when used on the 35mm format.
You would not use a 15mm lens for portraiture, pace frogs.
It's all about perspective.
@tchrist Hey, you use millimeters here.
No customary units in photography?
@jlliagre Different things are measured differently.
You have to know which unit to use for which thing.
@tchrist It takes a rat-iinfested garbage strewn half flooded alley on a rainday and turns it into a Brazilian Carneval float with dancers and parrots and flowers. But with exactly the same people and layout.
I have no use for this world of yours.
Neil Postman was right.
Whatever world we're living in, 'Flamin Hot' Cheetos, while not exactly nutritious, are very tasty.
@Cerberus where are you asking that?
@Cerberus I have that same question all the time. Well, for into and in to but I think you get it.
16:36
@Mitch Bing's Chat GPT.
@Cerberus (the following is not necessarily for you, but you just triggered my 'that's not what LLMs do module)
There's no 'answering'. It doesn't have a database of facts with which to extract what we consider an answer. It's just following with the most likely sequence of tokens.
Actually that's not right. The Bing response is a canned response that was given once you went far enough in a certain direction. They -could- have put an answer in the canned response but that would have 1) been too much work 2) 'exposed' the magic
@Cerberus Oh. I tried to register and it never got through th process for me.
@M.A.R. It's not a big deal but I was talking about the -1790's- (or early 19thc) not the 1990's.
But you point still stands. People were much more tolerant of centipedes back then
@Mitch I know.
@CowperKettle You realize of course that you forced me to accept your challenge. I tried to do something like that. I wasn't successful.
@Mitch oh I thought you were talking about books in 1990 about 1790. Otherwise yeah in 1990 you only had a UFO or two in the sky depending on the marijuana dose
16:43
@M.A.R. A common confusion
@Mitch glad we have everything 100% clear-cut in this chat
Academically disciplined
@CowperKettle ChatGPT claimed no knowledge of the ATE index (even when spelled out). It did have good knowledge of Aesop's fables. So I tried to get it to do a mashup of the Boy who cried Wolf and Sour Grapes. (Plot and moral of BWCW and characters of Sour Grapes). That didn't work.
I'm sure if I tried more I could force it to do what I want.
Also, It's not clear what parts of the story are the template and what are the variables (I'm sure there is a lot of research already done).
HuggingChat
So it did train on things like this
Jan 13, 2012 at 22:35, by MetaEd
I, too, am indubitable.
Or Mitch's emphatically quoted "people are idiots"
I wonder if you can make it say that
Also you guys play a lot with chatGPT don't you?
16:59
Oh, it knows. It knows.
@jlliagre What is that?
@Cerberus ugh. The names these people come up with are ugly.
@M.A.R. Computer people...
@Cerberus I googled chatGPT alternatives: huggingface.co/chat
OK.
Does it use the Chat GPT API in the background?
You crashed it.
I asked five minutes ago.
17:18
If you do a search directly on here, there's quite a bit.
Should I apologize directly to ChatGPT or is just asking this enough when it includes this in its training data?
Notice that Bing is doing an explicit search of stackexchange
Yes.
@Mitch It is always smart to apologise to your future overlord.
I find that technically very impressive, that it was able to turn a (possibly ambiguous) natural language request into a very specific API call/formatted URL with all the right params.
-that- is super impressive and was not something that the system was specifically engineered to do.
@Cerberus Also I am kidding.
most of the time
except when I say good things about ChatGPT.
Very awesome
@Mitch I have no idea to what extent it was specifically engineered.
No doubt they have built a ton of modules and specific instructions into it.
Microsoft no doubt always had Bing in mind for Chat GPT.
ChatGPT vs HuggingFace:
HuggingFace: straight to the point!
17:33
@Cerberus I do
@Cerberus This is a great example of how shitty ChatGPT really is.
@Mitch what make of smartphone is this
@tchrist howdy.
Just the LLM of ChatGPT on its own has great language capabilities but the content of the responses can sometimes be ... unpleasant or undesirable or not really socially palatable. So there is a post processing stage called RLHF (reinforcement learning by human feedback) where a number of responses (for the same input) are looked at and sorted by a human. And then that ordering is used to train a last layer. So that the full ChatGPT is the LLM+the RLHF model.
At the RLHF stage is also where if there they can put canned responses like 'As a language model, I can't answer such...'
@MetaEd Which 'this'?
@MetaEd Thank you.
It is.
 
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19:01
@MetaEd It always feels like it's selling something to you and yelling at your back trying to get a few extra words in before you get out the door
19:21
@Mitch this one that makes impossibly good photos
@M.A.R. hahaha I get cold calls like that
19:40
@M.A.R. Whatever it -feels- like it is doing, rest assured, the engineers didn't expect that feeling at all from the choices that made that led to that.
For this particular feeling I can only guess that it is the length of ChatGPTs response that elicits your reaction (and length is the only parameter that the engineers chose). The Huggingface engineers chose a much shorter response length to avoid problems like you have, only after having the same qualms. The ChatGPT length is actually desirable if you want a wiki-page-like response (detailed).
@MetaEd Oh just a google pixel 6
Back to chatGPT... design-wise, consider UI buttons on windows interfaces since say 1985. There's been an evolution, with pressing and bevels and shadows etc etc etc. Now consider a chat interface and having to design -everything- new. buttons -in- language. but now the infinity of language is all the buttons you have to design for. Tone, formality, what the other person might know or not, familiarity, prior conversations, subject matter...
..., all of these just for determining how long the response should be. That's kind of a lot to expect of the engineers who actually can't do much about all those without a lot of planning because its an LLM, not a collection of those parameters to set.
Anyway, somebody will be annoyed at the terseness of Huggingface
"scrotal sac? WTH I can't pick up some random squirrel and check out its nethers!"
20:00
@Mitch not just length, it just feels like it's trying too hard to appease you even though it doesn't have something you want. "I do have a green Ford Focus that's only got 10K in"
@Mitch I get what you're saying. In pharmacy nanotech is often like that. You devise a method from scratch to make a certain type of micro- or nanoparticle, and everything needs to be optimized
The only explanation of something like that that -anyone- can give to that is that
1) they didn't design it to 'try too hard' or 'to appease' or to sell you anything.
2) whatever you feel...it's all you trying to ascribe intentions to something as thoughtful as a rock.
@M.A.R. But yeah all your feelings are legitimate and should be managed as bug reports by the engineers (but engineers aren't big on emotions so you might not get the bug fix you want). and even then, the levers and buttons they'd have to push to get what you want is not like 'Oh yeah I need to change this line of code from 'if (a < b)' to 'if (a >= b)' it's much more like... 'we could try tweaking these ten variables?'.
20:33
@Mitch That's exactly what I wondered. Google's camera strategy is slightly less expensive hardware and a whole lot of photoenhancing software. So I would expect photos to be "enhancy".
Not that there's anything wrong with it. I carry a Pixel generation 3.
@M.A.R. maybe it's because to a first approximation everyone in the world is also like that
@Mitch And not just any generation 3. I use a 3XL, because I want the VERY BEST in ancient, worn-out, unsupported hardware.
21:39
Of course the thing about these FOSS language models is that you could (hypothetically) run your own instance and generate all the racist garbage, smut, and/or bomb-manufacturing advice you want
@Mitch IIRC Samsung phones have a feature that detects when you're taking a photo of the moon and adds in a picture of the features on the moon's surface. Even with all settings turned off, phone cameras make extensive use of filtering (and often AI) to improve the apparent picture quality from their crappy lenses.
@alphabet People do that. At least with the art AIs. I don't know of any "free" LLMs tho for text — pretty sure most people use jailbreaks like DAN
I think I've said this before in this very chatroom lol
@Laurel There's Facebook's LLaMa, where the full parameter set was leaked onto BitTorrent.
Interesting. I wonder what people are doing with that
Now the incels can download a girlfriend
A guy did that with ChatGPT and two other AIs
21:52
Yuck
His irl girlfriend made him shut it down
Men are trash. And I say that as a man
I don't think it was lewd, but I definitely thought he was emotionally cheating with his AI
Ahh, I just assumed
Also, apparently you can't have a long term relationship with an AI lest it start degrading in its responses
21:57
@alphabet aaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Could also ask it to help you build a bomb or a bioweapon or what have you. Fun!
I mean, aren't there books for that? Or do people not read those anymore?
@Laurel But sometimes you need a chatbot to go through it step-by-step, troubleshoot issues, etc. This sort of thing is difficult, I'm told.
Also could use it to generate Nazi homeschooling material. Would be a big help to that couple in Ohio.
22:14
I think the TikTok guy was using some computer vision AI so his waifu could see what he was doing, which is what you need sometime when building a bomb :p
Many of the bomb forums downvote noob questions so they don't have many options :p
Did you know you can make a bomb with Drano?
Is that the newest TikTok trend?
23:15
@Laurel Yeah. It's a way of self-diagnosing ASPD
Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD or infrequently APD) is a personality disorder characterized by a limited capacity for empathy as well as a difficulty sustaining long-term relationships. A long-term pattern of disregard or violation of the rights of others and a contemptuous or vindictive attitude are often apparent, as well as a history of rule-breaking that can sometimes include law-breaking, manipulation, compulsive lying for amusement or personal gain, a tendency towards chronic boredom and substance abuse, and impulsive and aggressive behavior. Antisocial behaviors often have their onset...
My cat is back to his healthy self. He would have been dead if he lived back in the 1980s in our town in Siberia. There were no clinics with ultrasound diagnostics and catheterization of cats.
@CowperKettle Great!!! I was meaning to ask how he was
No wonder cat life expectancy has shot up.
Had I lived in 1880, I would have been blind, dead from diabetes, dead from hypothyroidism, unable to run due to hernia, and certainly dead from that tick bite I had. And maybe dead in preteen years when one of my birthmarks started acting strange and was removed with electricity. I'm not sure they removed birthmarks in 1880.
Ah, and my H.Pylori infection was stopped with antibiotics. Without them, probably dead from a hole in the stomach.
Joseph Stalin was preceded by two other kids, and both did not reach their first birthday.
Noun: gałąź f (diminutive gałązka)
  1. (botany) branch, limb
23:31
@CowperKettle I'm so glad to hear that. Did you find out what was wrong with him?
This word means "branch of a tree" in Polish, and "branch of industry, sphere of business etc." in Ukrainian.
@CowperKettle No cat lives to 40 years old :p
@tchrist Most likely the culprits are the grains of something discovered on his ultrasound
He was prescribed the "Struvite" brand of feed, in the hope of dissolving them.
And if his symptoms recur often, there would be the option of removing the penis and making the urine channel wider.
Like kidney stones?
@Laurel Yes! Maybe some tigers
@tchrist Yes, probably some stones in the urinary bladder
23:33
Tell him to drink more. :)
@CowperKettle Urine crystals? One of the cats I had in my childhood had those and he had to have distilled water I think
He was having episodes of bloody urine ever since 2019, when we found him in the street.
@Laurel Ah! Maybe there's something genetic to it, too. He is a Scots Fold. They have genetically poor health.
He is sometimes limping on his frontal paw.
The same gene that makes their ears fold, makes their cartilage elsewhere weak.
This breed should not be allowed to proceed.
@tchrist Ah!
I don't think he was any recognizable breed, just a shorthair with black marbled fur
23:37
Mixed breeds are best :)
@CowperKettle Humans live much longer in captivity than in the wild.
I wonder when we'll develop floppy ears.
Yes. I was amazed to learn that the Irish Travellers have a rate of suicides several times higher than that of settled men.
Irish Travellers (Irish: an lucht siúil, meaning "the walking people"), also known as Pavees or Mincéirs (Shelta: Rilantu Mincéirí), are a traditionally peripatetic indigenous ethno-cultural group originating in Ireland.They are predominantly English-speaking, though many also speak Shelta, a language of mixed English and Irish origin. The majority of Irish Travellers are Roman Catholic, the predominant religion in the Republic of Ireland. They are one of several groups identified as "Travellers", related groups being the Scottish Travellers and English Travellers.They are often incorrectly referred...
Stepan (Ukrainian: Степан) is a Ukrainian striped cat that gained worldwide popularity on social media for its calm nature and jaded posture, making it Ukraine's most popular cat. He has more than one and a half million followers on Twitter and Instagram. Since 2019, Stepan also has an account on the TikTok network.Stepan was born in 2008 in Kharkiv. Stepan's owner Anna found him when he was little. He has since lived with her in a high-rise apartment building in Saltivka, Kharkiv. In 2020, during the quarantine period, Anna recorded the first video with her cat and it received several million...
@CowperKettle Those are all grim data indeed.
Oh good, why do we have answers anyway?
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Q: Word meaning "of or relating to guns/firearms"

Adjectively23Is there a word meaning "of or relating to guns/firearms/shooting weapons"?

"the lack of guns in this TV show reflects the ballistcally challenged reality of that society." — Greybeard 47 mins ago
Ballistically works great, thanks! — Adjectively23 31 mins ago
Who the hell is going to bother answering now?
ChatGPT, that's who. Real people? Forget it.
@CowperKettle Don't believe everything you read.
23:54
@tchrist gun...
@Laurel Shoot them all; God will know his own.
So I've settled on the "modi-milk" diet where you only replace 1-2 meals per day. I've lost some weight & feel generally fantastic.
I like milk.
There's a hypothesis that milk may cause cross-reactivity to the FOLR1 in some people, nudging them towards the autistic spectrum.
@CowperKettle Eh, I'm already close as it stands.
23:58
> Because bovine milk contains a soluble form of the FRα protein with 91% homology with human FRα, we examined the binding properties of human FRα autoantibodies with different FRα antigens isolated from human placenta; human milk; and bovine, goat and camel milk. The highest cross-reactivity of the autoantibody was found for soluble FRα protein from bovine and camel milk mdpi.com/2075-4426/11/8/710
@alphabet It's only a hypothesis.
@alphabet Wait, the milk diet thing was for real?
If some other group of scientists replicates this, I'll consider it a strong hypothesis. Thus far, it seems to be all the same surnames.
Trick is to get enough salt; if you keep drinking water as usual together with your milk, you might get low on electrolytes.
@Laurel Yeah. I tried going all-milk for a few days.
Apparently this diet was big in the 1920s.
Fairly safe. Could get scurvy if you went all-in for too long.

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