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> The authors suggest that the increasing levels of fraud may come from "the incentive system of science, which is based on a winner-takes-all economics that confers disproportionate rewards to winners in the form of grants, jobs, and prizes at a time of research funding scarcity." That could certainly explain its prevalence in the US, where competition for grant money has become increasingly fierce in a way that roughly parallels the rising rates of fraud.
> Acadamia is incredibly focused on publishing as the stardard for one's professional worth. The pressure to publish something, anything, is so immense that it's gone from being a product of research, to being a significant reason to do research in the first place.
True that.
All that matters is getting published, and then, maybe, getting cited.
01:00
Yeah.
Bad.
@Cerberus Acadamia? They’re all nuts there.
That was from a comment.
People don't pay a huge deal of attention to fixing typos in comments.
But I do like nuts, yes.
About the highest kcal/g ratio you can get.
Yum.
Hello, removed.
01:45
Hi, not removed.
How's things?
Good. Are you looking for new job yet?
Not quite yet.
Oh, I might apply at Starbucks online.
Hmm that sounds better than a snackbar.
Is it near by?
01:54
Erm, sort of.
Around 20 minutes to walk there.
Oh, that's fine.
Yeah.
Not too bad.
Then again, if you don't need the money...
I would like to have the money.
I have a decent amount saved up now, but some of that will go to gas/insurance.
Oh, you are buying a car after all?
01:57
No. Eh… My parents are making me pay the extra cost of insurance.
Since I'm a new driver, the insurance rates go up.
So I have to pay the difference between the new rates and the old ones on two vehicles.
Oh, when you're using their car(s)?
I see.
Yeah. I'm applying online as we speak.
Woohoo.
Oh, wait. I can't apply yet.
I'm not 16.
Blergh.
Soon.
I was trying to do Physics earlier, but since it's not due tomorrow, my motivation withered.
Oh, that sucks.
When will you be 16?
02:05
The 23rd.
Oh!
Soon indeed.
Yep. Just three weeks.
02:18
Great.
@tchrist There is also I must to bed to consider.
Which is extremely common in Dutch.
I suspect that all these are simply elliptical.
Hi @Cerberus and @Mahnax
Hi!
How are you both?
The thing is, I really must to bed.
It's 4:21 am, and I'm trying to go to bed early.
02:23
@Cameron I'm well. Just had a cup of tea, in fact. You?
So...I must bid you farewell.
8. Elliptical uses. a. With ellipsis of a verb of motion. Now arch.
1731 Swift To Gay, ― His work is done, the minister must out.
1884 Tennyson Becket iii. ii, ― Seeing he must to Westminster and crown Young Henry there to-morrow.
1889 Macm. Mag May 77 ― This shamefacedness will be thought mere folly of course in these days when everything must to the papers.
Like those?
Yes.
I only ever hear "I must away", and that only from those with a certain um flair for language.
It is archaic-ironic in modern usage.
02:24
Right.
As you well know.
@Cerberus That's quite the sleep schedule you've got
@Cameron Thanks!!
Yours is nice too.
We must away ere break of day / To seek our pale enchanted gold.
@Mahnax I'm also doing well, thanks. Just got over a cold, it feels so good to breath again
02:25
@Cameron Good to hear!
@Cerberus and here I thought you hadn't noticed
In Dutch, we also normally say I want to home / to inside / to the museum etc.
@Cameron No, no, it was quite prominent.
Ellipting the motion.
Now I must away.
1611 Shaks. Cymb. iii. v. 2 ― My Emperor hath wrote, I must from hence.
02:26
Hi to you too, @tchrist
Get thee hence.
@Cerberus good night
And I want x for I want to have x is also very common both in Dutch and in English.
"I want x" is normal anywhere.
But it is normally impossible in Latin, for example.
@Cameron You too!
@tchrist In formal language, you will find that it is generally less common.
02:28
I want a new car.
I want a new wife.
I want a new song.
I want a new dream.
You are exhausting your energy.
I want a new lullaby.
Now I away.
Those are all fine in Spanish, too, or French.
Hie thee to thy rest.
@tchrist And?
02:30
I don’t find them elliptical.
You don't need to tell me stuff I already know.
You need your beauty sleep.
It can be hard to determine elliptical status.
Not really.
It’s just a conic section.
And I didn't say it was originally elliptical in all IE languages.
@tchrist There could be a tiny bulge.
02:31
@tchrist That's just hyperbolic
@Cerberus Speak for yourself.
Do you know the Parabola of the Fox and the Grapes?
I wasn't pointing at your conic section, so no need to get defensive.
Bai!
Coneheads.
 
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09:35
@Cerberus here's another one for you.
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Q: Can I use a verb at the beginning of a sentence?

JonathanFor example: Design a well-known architecture in a decade. or Implement a legal policy for helping the elderly. Would you please help to clarify whether it is proper grammar to begin a sentence with a verb in this manner?

Can I use a verb at the beginning of a sentence...
09:54
You ... human paraquat.
You lost me at para, but then you gained me at quat.
Maybe you should work on your para skills. You could try out for the para-Olympics.
You mean por-Olympics. Work your Spanish.
Por favor, s'il vous plait.
But it ne me plait.
09:58
You must be a very bitte man.
Dritte Titte?
Der dritte-Titte-Mann?
Der dritte-Tinte.
Rot, weiß, und blau.
Interesting that America, France and now Russia all plumped for red, white and blue.
Mahlzeit.
Cuba, too.
And Netherlands and Luxembourg even opted for the same flag.
Have a cigar, you're gonna go far.
Go stuff your face already.
Ima have spaghetti.
With garlic.
Fun times for everyone in the office.
 
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11:19
@RegDwighт Haha!
 
2 hours later…
13:03
Yesterday I drove to work. Road construction. Took me an hour and 45 minutes. Today I took the train, which promptly broke down halfway. Hour and 40 minutes. Time saved: 5 minutes. It's 2012, people! Where are the flying cars?
They broke before leaving the factory.
Stupid factories.
Factories should be forbidden. Outlawed. Illegalled.
The MBTA gave Korea $3 billion for new commuter-rail cars, too. Three years ago. How many have been delivered so far? Zip. Nada. Zilch.
Ill águila.
13:05
Shoulda kept that money in the U.S. of A.
Tomorrow we were told not to come to work.
The Interstate will be closed off part of the day due to the presidential debates.
@Robusto the only difference being, then the money would have been flushed down an American toilet. Are you that patriotic? I'm impressed.
I feel like Obama was in town just a few weeks ago now, and that was his second visit in a month.
@tchrist the presidential debates will take place on an Interstate? Can you spell "Terrorist Attack"?
@RegDwighт At least we would know where to find the bastards.
@tchrist Which interstate?
13:08
I-25.
I don't know that one.
Through Denver. But I don’t usually go that way myself.
It's right between I-24 and I-26.
I-25 connects El Pasa to Cheyenne, and then some.
Oh. Yeah, I do know that one.
13:09
No, Reg, it doesn't work that way.
Evens and odds run perpendicularly.
That's the Mexican cartel's drug corridor, IIRC.
Or I-19 through Tucson.
@tchrist don't make me pull out a map.
The odds are north-south. The evens are east-west.
So I-10 is at the south end of the country by Mexico and I-90 at the north end of the country by Canada.
The odds are like stripes, so I-5 is the Pacific coast and I-95 the Atlantic one.
I-10 is pretty parallel to I-75.
13:12
Sometimes they overlap for local routes, usually around impassables. It is very strange to see something like I-43 and I-94 running atop each other.
@RegDwighт Don't get confused by cardinal map points. The fact is, in Boston you can be driving north on I-93 and south on I-95 at the same time.
@tchrist Ridiculous!
This bugs me out in California, too.
@Robusto but them's not interstates, them's cowpaths.
When the Queen visits Amsterdam, power is suspended.
13:13
@RegDwighт We don't call them cowpaths anymore. We call them inter-steaks.
@Cerberus You mean you hoist her up with a crane?
@Robusto Hehe. Yeah.
Seriously, I once bumped into her in a museum, incognita.
Lekker Middageten?
There may be a few low fences and policemen when she arrives at the palace, but that's all.
@RegDwighт Yes, heerlijk middachcheten.
Nice capital M.
@RegDwighт I don’t think so, Reg. I-10 is Jacksonville FL west to Houston TX, and out to nearly El Pasa. I-75 is St Petersburg FL north to Atlanta GA and on up to Detroit MI. They intersect perpendicularly in north Florida somewhere.
I had to look it up. I only know my locals.
@Cerberus she has to climb fences and knock out police to get into her palace? Now that's what I call a fit queen.
13:16
You have a St Petersburg down there in the tropics??
Neo.
Quasi neo-tropics.
@RegDwighт She used to play Thief: The Dark Project a little too much.
The Netherlands isn't big enough to have a real queen. She should be a duchess or something.
An orange princess.
Pah. We have several duchies. Except that she is the duchess of all of them.
13:17
I think St Petersburg has an orange queen.
The Dukes of Burgundy inherited/bought/conquered all the upper-tier titles, including all duchies and counties.
Here's your orange queen.
Oh God.
Don't tell me you find that an attractive advertisement.
@Cerberus Yes, of course I find it attractive. That's why I used it to outrage your sensibilities.
13:20
outraged
He doesn’t like the bikini colors.
That is not perpendicular.
@tchrist I am fine with those, just not with the creature wearing them.
I told you not to make me pull out a map.
That is awfully localized.
13:21
Did you have to pull it out so hard that most of it fell off?
@Cerberus They didn't have any male creatures. Sorry.
@tchrist nope. The instances where they are exactly perpendicular are.
@Robusto Bleh. I prefer it female.
Localized? Those are hundreds of miles!
That isn't so much.
13:21
@RegDwighт You want all the rivers to be straight lines as well, I suppose.
@tchrist You are not so much.
@Robusto non sequitur.
If you had a map with only I-10 and I-75 on it, and the whole map, they would look to be perpendicular to a first approximation.
Pretty sure that Russia also has thousands of miles.
Of road? No.
Moscow has some road. The rest not really.
Sure it does.
I would walk 500 miles
13:23
On the ice.
@MattЭллен You forgot to remove the other zeros and add a dot.
If you don’t have roads, how will the farmers get their mule-wagons to market?
@Cerberus har har. Clearly you don't know the Scottish classics
Nope.
@tchrist that doesn't work like that. People have to feed themselves first.
oh. well then the joke is wasted
13:25
@MattЭллен What, in circles?
Aww.
A river runs through it.
Imagine if that were a fault-line.
13:28
maybe after global warming floods the British isles and then the water recedes
It still amazes me how many people live in such tiny countries.
OVER 9000!
What is this line?
Not a linguistic divide?
It separates the chaff from the wheat.
Matt, tell ’em.
13:29
a route from lands end to john o'groats
For certain values of "line".
I probably has a name, but I don't know it
Neither do I.
By the way, why can't we have a bridge across the Channel?
That would be convenient.
13:30
too much wind? ships need to get through? The French?
The English, more likely...
I just want to take a normal, cheap train to London.
It needs to be fast.
maybe the British government thought it would be to difficult to police
Just like the train to Paris.
@Cerberus how expensive is the chunnel?
A bridge is going to be harder to maintain in the long run.
13:31
@MattЭллен I think very expensive: flying is always much cheaper.
Like € 200 or so.
You have to worry about weather.
Let me look it up.
Hello!
13:31
hello @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇
Welcome back!
I am back at home now
Wait, that didn't sound right.
I mean, ahoy, you're back at where you were!
Also wie war's, die Trip?
Did you bring back a koala?
@tchrist didn't you see the pic I posted here for you?
13:33
Hast du die Kaiserkrone gesehen, im Hofburg?
Oh right, you went to the oyster kingdom.
@Cerberus the trip was very nice. I really liked Vienna.
Did you bring back pearls?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Great!
I liked it too.
@Cerberus No, we didn't go into Hofburg. We did visit Schonbrunn though.
13:34
!?
Why not?
just to annoy you
I mean, Schönbrunn is nice, but...
The HB has such a nice collection.
Well, we were told that visiting both palaces was redundant. And my wife didn't want to go into the jewellery museum where the crowns were.
Aww.
I mean, yes, they are both palaces, but Schönbrunn doesn't have a collection, that I remember?
Just furniture, like Versailles?
Oh, well.
You can look at pictures of the crown.
@Cerberus "Just" furniture? That's like saying a Fabergé egg is just something a chicken lays.
13:37
Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown.
@cerb I found a car for you
@Robusto Well, 17th-century furniture is nice, but...come on, a 10th-century crown!
What’s a sea-boy?
@Robusto if a chicken were to lay that...
13:40
poor chicken
Canst thou, O partial sleep, give thy repose
To the wet sea-boy in an hour so rude,
And in the calmest and most stillest night,
With all appliances and means to boot,
Deny it to a king? Then happy low, lie down!
Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown.
@cerb it's hard to make out but you should look at the license plate
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yay! I should like to be transported in that car everywhere. Provided that it be laden with Sachertorten always.
What’s a wet sea-boy?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Haha, hilarious.
@tchrist Probably just a sailor?
13:41
Maybe, yes.
Sailors can sleep on a boat, while kings cannot.
Seaman => seaboy.
@Cerberus It's just a suggested bike path. From the end to end website.
o. In designations of persons, as living or exercising their functions at sea, as sea-boy, -carpenter, -commander, -fellow, -friend, -robber, etc.; †also occas. quasi-adj., that is a sailor, nautical, as sea-lover, -philosopher, -reader.

1597 Shaks. 2 Hen. IV, iii. i. 27 ― Canst thou (O partiall Sleepe) giue thy Repose To the wet *Sea-Boy, in an houre so rude.
1860 Gen. P. Thompson Audi Alt. cxii. III. 38 ― A Hull sea-boy went to see his master when his time was out.
Helllo
So yes, apparently.
13:43
@Mitch Oh. As long as we may stray from the path, it's OK.
@tchrist Yeah, like this.
I see sea-boy and think sea-buoy.
You English people should have kept seaman.
We have them.
Hello, seaman!
kept them where?
13:44
Able-bodied and otherwise.
But sailor seems to have become the "standard" word, right?
Seamen are what built English power.
Without seamen, they would be as naught.
In Dutch, matroos is the normal word; zeeman is a bit...romantic.
@Cerberus Unless you would be giggled at.
Yeah.
13:46
I guess sea-boys grow into seamen.
seaman is a rank in the Navy
Yes. Or leave the navy/VOC.
so some sailors are seamen but not all
1. a. gen. One whose occupation or business is on the sea; a sailor as opposed to a landsman. Now only poet. or rhetorical. Also, with qualifying word: One skilled in navigation. b. spec. A sailor below the rank of officer. leading, able, ordinary seaman, the three grades (beginning with the highest) of seamen in the Royal Navy. merchant seaman, a seaman in the merchant service.
Right.
13:47
1854 Act. 17 & 18 Vict. c. 104 §2 [Merchant Shipping Act.] ― ‘Seaman’ shall include every Person (except Masters, Pilots, and Apprentices··) employed or engaged in any Capacity on board any Ship.
1867 Smyth Sailor’s Word-bk. s.v., ― The able seaman is the seafaring man who knows all the duties of common seamanship··. His rating is A.B··. The ordinary seaman is less qualified.
1884 Encycl. Brit. XVII. 291 ― The personnel of the British navy is composed of two different bodies of men, the seamen and the marines, each of which has its appropriate officers.
@Cerberus I thought it was a fault line or a rhotic/non-rhotic border or pepsi vs coke line.
@Mitch Haha, yes.
Those lines could be at the same place.

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