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A grammar school is one of several different types of school in the history of education in the United Kingdom and some other English-speaking countries, originally a school teaching classical languages but more recently an academically-oriented secondary school. The original purpose of mediaeval grammar schools was the teaching of Latin. Over time the curriculum was broadened, first to include Ancient Greek, and later English and other European languages, natural sciences, mathematics, history, geography, and other subjects. In the late Victorian era grammar schools were reorganised to p...
We have at least ten moods and 50 tenses
Women have more than ten moods and that makes men tense.
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Beautiful Rob
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They teach grammar in grammar schools.
@Carlo_R. He doesn’t consider the tenses that take more than one word to be legitimate tenses.
20:02
@Carlo_R. I think what people are talking about is that there are at least three tenses expressible in English (past present future), but only past and present in English have their own inflections (or sound changes/ablaut) (future is done with 'will' or 'going to'. And 'have been' is strictly not a tense but an aspect marker (the action is completed. So Barrie is being a little strict in his use of terminology without being open about how he expectes it to be used.
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@tchrist they don't have 50 tenses anyhow.
@RegDwighт I know that. They have 16, or some such, or half that if you don’t count compound tenses.
@RegDwighт I'm sure they have a boatload of verb conjugations.
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@Mitch That’s something else.
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@Carlo_R. Rob is not beautiful.
@JasperLoy How do you know?
@Jasper haha
@JasperLoy I've seen Rob and he is, in point of fact, very beautiful. To me. Can't you see?
@simchona seen into his soul?
20:04
+1 Mitch
@tchrist are you cavilling me? ;)
Seem like more than 2 English tenses here.
whatever it is all those pages of endings are called.
That reminds me of a browser game I wanted to try out.
20:06
@tchrist I call those conjugations.
Thank you, beautiful Rob, for reminding me of a browser game I wanted to try out.
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Thank you, beautiful Reg, for changing your R back.
Heres the Fully Monty for Spanish, or for French. Notice how they call the passé composé a tense in French. Even though it has a present-tense verb. The French would tell Barrie he is off his rocker to deny its existence.
And it is a past tense.
@Mitch Conjugating a verb for each of the six persons is not the same as counting its tenses.
so you call all those on that page 'tenses'?
20:09
Not each word.
Each set.
each set of six?
OK
Yes, each set of six.
and a conjugation is what on that page (if anything)?
Each of the six.
I am, I was is not conjugating. I am, thou art, he is — that is conjugating.
each set of six is a conjugation? or a tense? or both (with different meanings of course)
20:11
A tense is a set of six.
Damn it.
Carlo accidentally said tense when he just multiplied things times six.
Carlo will always take strange numbers and multiply them by stranger numbers still.
I confirm what tchrist said "a tense is a set".
I think he even counted the genders wrong once.
Actually, a conjugation is something else. For example, -ar verbs are 1st conjugation, -er 2nd, -ir are 3rd. Etc.
It varies with the language.
@Reg What memory! You are an hard disk.
20:14
@tchrist Conjugation is both the act of conjugating and the categories.
Odd, but true.
@tchrist Yay, future subjunctive!
@tchrist Words are allowed to have multiple meanings.
Por dónde fueres, haz lo que vieres.
It's meanings that are not allowed to have multiple words.
20:15
So tense is meaning.
@RegDwighт So that's it for synonyms, then. tells synonyms to go home
Since it cannot have multiple words, per Barrie.
Thank God Aristotle isn’t around to cuff me.
@Robusto exactly. Aren't you tired of people asking if something is a "perfect synonym"?
You yourself told those jokers off so many times.
@tchrist The police can take care of that job for him.
Synonyms only exist in context.
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He doesn’t believe in periphrastic tenses then, only inflexional ones. But that is not what the OED defines tense as.
> Gram. Any one of the different forms or modifications (or word-groups) in the conjugation of a verb which indicate the different times (past, present, or future) at which the action or state denoted by it is viewed as happening or existing, and also (by extension) the different nature of such action or state, as continuing (imperfect) or completed (perfect); also abstr. that quality of a verb which depends on the expression of such differences.
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@RegDwighт As do antonyms. "Opposite" can mean 9000 things.
See the word-group part there?
Word groups can be a part of a tense.
I shall repeat it again if need be.
No need to. OED defines words following usage.
If people use "tense" to mean "cat", then that's what the OED definition will say.
Well, we hope so.
@tchrist There are 2 definitions: a "semantic" tense defining a point in time, which may be periphrastic or be identical to a different inflection (e.g. English imperatives and present subjunctive are identical to the infinitive); and an "inflectional" tense that specifically has its own series of inflections.
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@RegDwighт Then why has OED not included my definition of QED?
I dare you to find me a Frenchmen who denies that je suis allé is a past-tense form.
@JasperLoy it has. Look up under "nonsense".
@tchrist challenge accepted. Most Frenchmen round these parts can't tell passe compose from a croissant in the ground.
Do you want me to ship them overnight?
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@RegDwighт You can send them to him via dreams.
Regular people say that "I set it down yesterday" is in the past and "I’ll set it down tomorrow" is in the future.
So they say those are tenses.
@RegDwighт You grow croissants round you?
I want some!
Regular people say many dumb things.
Many regular people say nothing but dumb things.
20:27
I should go out and pick mine before they go bad.
Thanks for reminding me.
Happy picking.
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A: Usage of "been to" in perfect tenses and in other tenses

Daniel HarbourThe observation behind this question is very nice. Use of this locution in indeed limited, to perfect tenses: Present perfect: I have been to London to visit the Queen Past perfect (pluperfect): I had never been to London before you took me Future perfect: I will have been to London by the tim...

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Oh noes!
All those fictive tenses!
I don't want to hear about your tense croissant.
20:30
I have ground cherries to pick, and tomatoes, and raspberries.
The Close-Vote queue on SO is never going away.
Ground cherries aren’t cherries; they’re physalis.
59.3k this morning, now 59.5k again.
Is that just questions with one or more closevotes pending on them?
Anything between one and four.
20:31
What gets stuff onto that queue?
Actually, anything between zero and four.
They throw in a couple guesses for good measure.
But I thought these things evaporated.
Slowly.
If you mean vote aging, that only starts happening once you get 100 views. Most questions take years to get there.
Anyway, I've been maxing out on my 50 votes per day every day for a full month. I'm not making a difference.
If they want to give it the slightest chance, they should drastically increase the threshold. Make it 500 close votes a day. Really.
For some reason I am more apt to max out my 50 on SO. I don’t get whined at for it there.
20:39
StoneyB on August 20, 2012

“There’s glory for you!”

H. Dumpty, founder of linguistic pragmatics

If you’re looking for a balanced discussion of the  That vs Who/whom/whose/which controversy, go here. I’m not interested.

A hundred years ago the Fowlers put forward a modest proposal. Linguistic bureaucrats elevated this proposal to a Rule, linguistic libertarians resisted; and today the Fowlers’ proposal is an Issue hotly contested by Conservative and Liberal ideologues.

I have no taste for political disputation. While my sympathies lie with the Liberals (who in the Fowlers’ day would have been the Reac …

TL;DR
too short; don't understand
ST;FU
Swindon Town; Football Club?
@Reg do you know who will be the moderators for ELL. I hope you stay here, not there.
Here you have done a great work. It is absolutely need that you stay here.
Indeed, I cannot immagine how you will migrate the question to yourself from ELU to ELL and vice versa.
Reg ...
20:55
@MattЭллен They have a lazy "C" in their name? One that fell over and now looks like a "U"?
@Robusto I thought perhaps you'd forgotten how to spell
I wont ferget taht.
@Matt hello Matt; may I ask you if there is a software to produce your avatar?
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A: Is there a word to describe female between 'girl' and 'woman'?

Kristina LopezThere's "ingenue" which has the connotation of innocence. If you want to go less formal, there's "chick" or the latin-flavored "chica". Finally, as a female, I can attest that it is always a badge of honor to be called a woman. :-)

Who uses ingenue? Also, I know a lot of chicks who are older than that.
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In my long life I known girls that was women and vice versa
It's the vice-versa that runs you afoul of the statutory-rape laws.
@Carlo_R. I drew it using a wacom bamboo and GIMP
Thx Matt
no probs :)
@Robusto I use the word, but not for that purpose.
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What for then? The train operator?
@Robusto You really need to learn to leave the statuary alone, Rob.
@MattЭллен Very cool.
@Mitch Engine operator, maybe.
@tchrist But those alabaster limbs.
This is why there are always parts broken off.
The bronzes hold up much better.
For certain values of holed.
Is David Wallace a Torah devotee living by the letter of the law, or is he just a nut?
@tchrist The OP did not specify "be to do something" or "be to place/event". You are imagining words in the question that are not there. Barrie's example fits the question perfectly, as it currently stands. You and Robusto are NOT right about this. — David Wallace 2 mins ago
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Oh. Drama.
But I'm only here because I said BBL.
You'll sort it out.
Gutnächtle.
I’m doing other things.
Doesn’t matter.
Found a nice NLP question.
And one with all three of , , .
Hello again.
Surely we can find better/more tags for this one:
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Q: Is “the many” grammatical?

TassThe homework is as following As it stands, our rule allows just one determiner in an NP. NP → (D) (AdjP+) N (PP+) (CP) (PP+) How can we revise this rule to account for the following data: ... b. the many faces ... Now people in #english on freenode argued that the many is rather fo...

Hello Cerbic.
That is just one of the many grammaticals.
That, too.
I don’t much care for the tag, especially all lonesome like that.
I know I should be working on tag wikis. So many empty ones.
21:36
Off to face the commute. CU
Fixed the tags, kinda.
Hey @Reg, it looks like there is one question with the tag and 40 with the tag. Am I misreading that, and the first is really an alias? Doesn’t look like it.
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A-.
Good day.
Hullo.
Oh, today we received some sad news.
My Dutch great-grandmother passed away this morning.
22:11
Oh, no!
I am so sorry to hear that.
Was it unexpected?
Not really.
She was recovering from pneumonia, which is often fatal in the elderly.
Yes.
Still sucks.
I guess it was sort of unexpected, because she was doing quite well and all, but still.
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Yeah, that happens.
How are her children dealing with it?
Personally, I'm not too affected, because I never really bonded with her or anything, but my mom is having a bit of a hard time.
Yeah of course.
I'm not sure how my grandfather is dealing with it.
I think he is not well.
We should just all be immortal.
22:13
I would imagine that her other kids are having a very difficult time with it—one of them just lost her fiancé, too.
Recently?
Yes, just two weeks ago.
Oh, "just".
Yeah, that sucks.
Lost her fiance. In what sense?
He died.
22:15
Sorry!
nods
However, this is the life.
Enough about that though. How are you all doing?
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A: When a sentence starts with e.g., should the e be capitalized?

Lie RyanStarting a sentence with e.g. is always wrong, so the question is moot. E.g. should be preceded by a description of the thing you're giving an example of, therefore e.g. should always be preceded by a comma, e.g. this sentence.

Well this is just hilarious.
"Starting a sentence with e.g. is always wrong", said he and started the very next sentence with "e.g.". — RegDwighт 9 secs ago
Haha, that is pretty hilarious.
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I'm outta here. No, really.
Bai!
I think you outta Reg.
@David Why you are not in chat tonight?
@Mahnax Oh, I'm sorry. I've lost several close relatives; it can be quite a shock.
@Mahnax Tonight, life is good.
@MετάEd Glad to hear it.
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22:49
What was the last flagged message about? I missed it.
@JasperLoy Was there one?
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@MετάEd In the math room.
@JasperLoy Math makes lots of people grouchy. I can imagine a few flags get thrown in there.
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@MετάEd Yeah, there are many flaggers there. Once someone got suspended because he used an avatar that showed cleavage. I thought that was totally not necessary.
@JasperLoy I imagine that was on "offensive" grounds.
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22:57
@MετάEd I think TPTB could just have told him to change it instead of suspending him. It's not even showing the nipples.
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They might as well suspend me for using Justin Bieber avatars too. I am sure Justin Bieber is more attractive than cleavage.
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I suppose suspension has the advantage that it saves time.
@JasperLoy Yeah, well, that's a naked bird in my avatar.
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@Carlo_R. There are no fixed patterns. People come and go as they please!
Best show no Justin Bieber cleavage, though.
Not very real questionish:
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Q: Already vs. before in the present perfect

Rain LoverWhat's the difference? Example: I've already seen Terminator. vs. I've seen Terminator before.

Oh be still my beating heart: a regex question on ELU.

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