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00:14
@JackBosma What exactly do you mean? To what end?
@CowperKettle Belarus has no feelings one way or the other?
@JackBosma You mean all of SE or an individual site?
If you like.
But you really ought to ask this question on Meta StackOverflow.
Nobody in here is a representative of the organization.
00:31
@Robusto oh, oh, how many guesses do I get
@M.A.R. I think you'll get it easily in one.
@Robusto but there are so many to choose from
Not in the US.
> Believe everything you hear about the world; nothing is too impossibly bad. —Honoré de Balzac
01:22
@JackBosma Literally everyone in the entire software industry knows about SE, as do many, many people outside of it. If your platform were popular enough that it could draw new users to SE, we would already know it existed. Please stop soliciting; this is spam.
01:44
@Robusto Florida banned girls' period talk in schools? What next, banning boys' comma talk?!
01:55
@CowperKettle Not a laughing matter.
@Robusto Commas look like sperm.
And I think the girls are only banned for the first few years after having their periods. The old ones are allowed to hear about it. Usually after a couple pregnancies.
Word of the day: shat. One of the only new irregular verb forms to enter English in recent history.
@alphabet Probably because it's close to sat.
@tchrist So do Commies. I sit/sat, I shit/shat.
One or another of dove or snuck does have an older antecedent, IIRC, but the other is strictly by analogy. Probably both are, and any old thing was forgotten long ago.
Dizzy Dean, after his playing career and when he was a radio announcer, once famously said of a baserunner that he "shoulda slud [sic] into third." There are all kinds of examples of people trying to create new irregular verb forms.
02:07
drug
Both dove and snuck are actually from the 1800s, but became popular recently
I meant the sit/sat comment for @alphabet.
@tchrist Yes.
shug
> Forms: α. Old English dúfan, Middle English duven; β. Old English dýfan, Middle English duve(n /y/, Middle English diven, Middle English–1500s (1800s dialect) deve, deeve (1500s deave), Middle English–1500s dy(e)ve, 1600s–1800s dieve, 1500s– dive. past tense Old English déaf, Middle English deæf, Middle English def, 1800s North American and English dialect dove; β. Old English dýfde, Middle English defde, 1600s– div'd, 1500s– dived.
> Etymology: Old English had two verbs: (1) the primary strong verb dúfan , past tense déaf , plural dufon , past participle dofen , intransitive to duck, dive, sink; (2) the derivative causal weak verb dýfan , dýfde , gedýfd to dip, submerge. Already in 12th cent. these had begun to be confounded, the primary dūven (past tense deæf , dêf , past participle doven ) being used also transitive, and the causative dȳven intransitive, so that the two became synonyms, and before 1300 the strong verb became obsolete, dȳven (south-western düven , south-eastern dēven , midland and north dīven ) remai
It's more complicated, or so to me it seems.
Snuck is the one that has no history.
> Forms: Also 1500s sneke, 1600s sneek, sneake. past tense and participle also (originally and chiefly U.S.) snuck.(Show Less)
Frequency (in current use): Show frequency band information
Origin: Of uncertain origin.
Etymology: Of doubtful origin: the form does not agree with that of early Middle English snīken , Old English snícan to creep, crawl (compare Old Norse sníkja , Norwegian snikja , Danish snige , in senses similar to ‘sneak’), and the historical gap is very great. The stem sneak- appears a little earlier in sneakish adj., sneakishly adv.(Show Less)
@tchrist It's really snucken its way into the language.
No, that's the 4th version, the adjectival one like drunken and sunken.
Store boughten.
> Forms: Also Middle English–1500s dragge.
Frequency (in current use): Show frequency band information
Origin: Of uncertain origin. Either (i) formed within English, by derivation. Or (ii) a borrowing from early Scandinavian, combined with an English element. Etymons: English dragan, Norse draga.
Etymology: Not known before 15th cent. A derivative of Old English dragan, or Old Norse draga (Swedish draga , Danish drage ) to draw v. Perhaps a special northern dialect-form in which the g has been preserved instead of forming a diphthong with the preceding a , as in English generally: compare
> drug also occurs as a past tense and past participle form of drag v. in nonstandard and regional use (especially U.S. regional (southern and Midland)); drugged is also sometimes found in U.S. use.
02:15
@tchrist IIRC "sunk" is another unusual case; it used to be sink/sunk/sunk, and the form sank is more recent.
@alphabet Yes.
And again, with a 4th form reserved for adjectival use, as in sunken treasure.
lend > lent, lean > lent :)
@alphabet when you've made the whole alphabet angry, you know you're in trouble
@tchrist Curiously, the new form tooken is a past participle, not an adjective.
Sounds like some hookah-user's toking.
"Fool of a Tekken"
I can imagine Pippin in a fighting game karate gi
02:24
Another hookah user.
You stay up long enough the brain peptides kick in so yes
I wonder what betook him.
Or betaught.
Another curious case is the past participle of "bit"; as I recall, both "bit" and "bitten" are valid, but BrE strongly prefers "bitten." (Kind of the opposite of the situation with got/gotten.)
I got bit.
There are several that are tolerated in the simple form.
What's the past tense of zinc?
Ngram says "bitten" is more popular even in AmE, which kind of surprises me; "bitten" sounds much worse to me and I would tend to avoid it.
02:28
Bitten sounds completely normal to me.
Smitten and bitten.
> 1890 Jrnl. Franklin Inst. Nov. 401 The conditions under which the zincked pipe is to be used.
1895 Morris in Mackail W.M. (1899) II. 319 The little barn finished with a zinked iron roof.
People don't know.
Should have been zonk.
Zonked out is a thing.
Shone and shorn.
Bitten by bitten this convoy makes less sense
Sown and sewn.
Molten.
> 1817 J. Keats Sleep & Poetry 143 Some with upholden hand and mouth severe.
1838 E. B. Browning Seraphim ii, in Wks. (1904) 87 The creature's and the upholden's sacrifice!
> 1927 Amer. Speech 2 357/2 He holpen me over the creek.
> 1881 ‘M. Twain’ Prince & Pauper xix. 221 Of a truth I was right—he hath holpen in a kitchen.
In Yekaterinburg, a 19-yo guy threw himself under the subway train after receiving a notice to arrive to the local army callup station for "data clarification purposes"
@CowperKettle He did not perish?
@tchrist He's at the hospital in a serious condition
02:41
It's all soul-crushingly tragic.
And needless, and evil. Vanity, vanity, all is vanity.
 
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04:10
The more I read about leaked US documents news the more I think they were intentionally leaked.
04:42
@Vikas so . . . Discarded? Flushed? Swept with the tides?
@CowperKettle oh damn
At times like this you really hope that an afterlife of justice exists
Even a version with reincarnation . . . So they'd be like "Putin's soul, you've become too corrupt and vile, and we will have to decommission you"
What does punishment look like if there are no pain receptors left? Do they give the soul anxiety or something?
Or like an itch, but there's no body to speak of that could be itched
05:47
@M.A.R. They don't seem do harm USA in any way. Looks like they just wanted to criticize someone but were afraid to criticize directly 🤣
06:19
Photograph Steve McCurry, Delhi, India, 1983.
How long before it will be totally impossible to detect fake photos? I think that this photo may have already been faked by an AI. But the account that posted it has a long history.
A large darknet drug-trading exchange was busted in 2022, and multiple cases of deaths have been happening in Russia since, because some newly-created darknet groups lack the experience, and sell methadone instead of mephedrone, and people use methadone in high dosages, and die. e1.ru/text/health/2023/04/13/72215378
Mephedrone, also known as 4-methylmethcathinone, 4-MMC, and 4-methylephedrone, is a synthetic stimulant drug of the amphetamine and cathinone classes. Slang names include drone, M-CAT, White Magic, meow meow and bubble. It is chemically similar to the cathinone compounds found in the khat plant of eastern Africa. It comes in the form of tablets or crystals, which users can swallow, snort or inject, producing effects similar to those of MDMA, amphetamines and cocaine. In addition to its stimulant effects, mephedrone produces side effects, of which bruxism is the most common. The metabolism o...
> Users have reported that mephedrone causes euphoria, stimulation, an enhanced appreciation for music, an elevated mood, decreased hostility, improved mental function and mild sexual stimulation
Guess the term: "A retail outlet specializing in sale of paraphernalia related to consumption of cannabis, other recreational drugs, and New Age herbs, as well as generally selling counterculture art, magazines, music, clothing, and home decor."
06:57
Millay of the day: Enormous moon
@CowperKettle A head shop, I think.
Discord is a VOIP app of some kind. The leaker is probably traceable. Or may already be traced.
@Xanne Yes!
I learned this phrase today.
07:35
bite is to bitten as fight is to
Chinese of the day: tang ping (lying flat)
@MattE.Эллен fought
@CowperKettle well that doesn't rhyme :(
07:51
Adjective: smitten (comparative more smitten, superlative most smitten)
  1. Affected by an act of smiting.
  2. Made irrationally enthusiastic.
  3. In love.
  4. 1912, Thomas Holmes, “Marriage in the Underworld”, in London's Underworld (The Making of the Modern Law), London: J. M. Dent & Sons; New York, N.Y.: E. P. Dutton, OCLC 60735063; republished as London; New York, N.Y.: Anthem Press, 2006, ISBN 978-1-84331-219-2, page 118:
  5. At the end of the long procession came a smitten woman. […] I think of the women who have fastened the tendrils of their heart's affection round unworthy men, and have married them, hoping, trusting and believing that their love and influence would be powerful enough to win the men to sobriety and virtue. Alas! how mistaken they have been!
Verb: smitten
  1. past participle of smite.
  2. ��3�...
Google Translate is perfect.
08:25
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Not too bad.
@CowperKettle perhaps the past tense of might is mitten!
09:06
@MattE.Эллен Might be so
Or mitten be so in the old days.
09:36
An elephant house in the village of Popovo msk1.ru/text/realty/2023/04/13/72215720
 
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11:01
I noticed that someone edited a page I started long ago in the Russian Wikipedia. Turns out it's a woman who's a programmer. Her "list of places where I've lived" is telling. She has moved to Istanbul, probably as part of this emigration wave.
> A Moscow court on Thursday fined the Wikimedia Foundation, owner of the online encyclopedia Wikipedia, 2 million roubles ($24,525) for failing to remove fake information about Russia's SMO in Ukraine, Interfax reported.
 
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12:15
"the P-element transposon invaded a Drosophila melanogaster genome in the mid-20th century, and, through interbreeding, within decades all wild fruit flies worldwide (though not the reproductively isolated lab strains) contained the same P-element"
What if something invaded ancient humans, and within 1000 years, they were +20 IQ points smarter?
The Smartsposon.
12:34
Donald Gray Triplett (born September 8, 1933) is an American man known for being the first person diagnosed with autism. He was first diagnosed by Leo Kanner, and was labeled as "Case 1". Triplett was noted for his savant abilities, particularly the ability to name musical notes played on a piano, and the ability to perform rapid mental multiplication. == Early life == Donald Triplett was born on September 8, 1933, to Beamon and Mary Triplett in Forest, Mississippi. Initially, Donald was a deeply introverted child who did not respond to his parents' gestures or voices. His language was unusual...
The first person diagnosed with autism, still alive.
13:13
@CowperKettle He certainly wasn't the first human being with perfect pitch.
I've known many people who could identify notes by ear.
New eggcorn found: Every time i remember [the comedian] Mike Wozniak used to be a doctor it flaws me.
13:38
@Robusto Nice. Both pathology and radiology are helped out a lot by vision algorithms.
@TRiG Wild... is that from a non-rhotic speaker?
@CowperKettle Surely there were lots of autistic people before then, just not labeled as such. Some extended family running around the Amazon, dodging jaguars, chewing tobacco, and there's that one uncle who doesn't talk to anybody, bangs his head on the ground, but remembers every tree they've ever walked by and if it is edible or not.
@Mitch Those were just labeled as "my weird uncle" or something along those lines.
14:09
> What is the difference between Americans and IT support?
Americans don't have troubleshooting.
14:20
@Mitch Well, the subject of discussion is a British TV show (Taskmaster), so maybe?
 
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20:32
@Robusto Can't most pianists tell you any note played alone that falls within an octave or two of middle C?
@Xanne Has been.
@tchrist I don't know the stats on that. But of all the people I've known with perfect pitch, they've all played the piano.
One of our new devs has perfect pitch.
He's a pianist. Who speaks Chinese because his parents do, although they most immediately came from Korea. But he has a 100% Los Angeles accent himself.
So also a tonal language. That probably helps.
I know because some ring-tone went off during a live meeting and I was trying to figure out the pitches, and he told me them. Correctly.
Smart kid and cheerful too.
I only have good relative pitch. But some people who have perfect pitch say it's more of a curse than a blessing.
He's got some musical side-gig of some sort.
A friend from back in my orchestra days had perfect pitch and he couldn't stand it if someone was playing or singing flat or sharp, even without accompaniment.
20:47
We always accused the basses of singing flag. We were right. They tried to accuse of a singing sharp. They were wrong.
21:02
Did you know that perfect pitch fades with age? The pitch sense apparently goes flat or sharp by a quarter tone to a half tone over the years.
Which is weird.
21:40
@Vikas Interesting video.
This shows and cold, cruel, and immoral animals are, and how humans are usually superior.
22:17
> Bi tha lat 15t yeirhunder tha sicht fowk haed o tha differs wi tha leid spaken faurder sooth cam til tha fore an Scots-spikkin Scots begoud tae crie thair leid "Scots". Scots haes lend-wirds fae tha fak thit tha Scots fowk haed contak wi Gaelic spikkers. Thair lend-wirds is fer ordinair anerlì fer geographical an cultural hings, sik as clan an loch. Lyk onì leivin leid, Scots haes chynged ae bittie ower tha yeirs, tho hit haes arguablì stey'd naurer til its Anglo-Saxon springheid nor Inglis.
Most of it is intelligible.
> The praisent tense o verbs ends en –s en aw persons n nummers cept whan a singil personal pronoun is nex til the verb, Thay say he's ower wee, Thaim that says he's ower wee, Thir lassies says he's ower wee etc. Thay'r cummin an aw bit Five o thaim's cummin, The lassies? Thay'v went bit Ma brakes haes went. Thaim that cums first is ser'd first. The trees growes green en the simmer.
Not sure what sicht, o mean.
"Scots haes chynged ae bittie ower tha yeirs" is pure poetry
23:01
If not pure, at least a bittie of it.
23:13
@Cerberus I thought it might be "tha sicht fowk" might be "that such folk" ...
Ahh.
I read fowk as folk too.
BTW, I recently read that Scotland was named for the Gaels that the Romans called Scoti, which came from the IE root skot (by way of Gr. *skotos, "dark, gloom."
23:40
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23:56
@Robusto Scoti are Irishmen, btw.
Yes, the Gaels ... from which we get Gaelic. The Gaels raided and settled Scotland early on.
Scoti or Scotti is a Latin name for the Gaels, first attested in the late 3rd century. At first it referred to all Gaels, whether in Ireland or Great Britain, but later it came to refer only to Gaels in northern Britain. The kingdom to which their culture spread became known as Scotia or Scotland, and eventually all its inhabitants came to be known as Scots. == History == An early use of the word can be found in the Nomina Provinciarum Omnium (Names of All the Provinces), which dates to about AD 312. This is a short list of the names and provinces of the Roman Empire. At the end of this list is...
Hmm looks like its meaning slowly changed from mainly Irish to Scottish.
Yes.

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