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00:33
@Carlo_R. "in front of"
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@Carlo_R. "people are"
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@Carlo_R. "Italians were"
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@Carlo_R. "we were"
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@Carlo_R. "I bought my first"
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@Carlo_R. "ladies", "people were"
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00:36
@Carlo_R. "exchange", "every"
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@Carlo_R. "mathematician"
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There are more. I give up.
00:47
In this study, we consider the functions that formulae perform in two genres which
exist in written format as texts, but maintain close links to oral forms, namely Old
English (OE) verse, specifically the epic poem Beowulf, and weblogs, or “blogs”.
We identify five important functions of formulae found in common across OE verse
and blogs, classifying these functions as discourse-structuring functions, filler
functions, epithetic functions, gnomic functions, and tonic functions. In addition, a
sixth type of formulaic function necessarily tied to the written medium, the
From the paper “Hwæt! LOL! Common formulaic functions in Beowulf and blogs”
Hmm.
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Hey @spare!!!
@tchrist Looks a bit too much like attention seeking, but perhaps it is not so bad if you read it.
My reaction was, “Oh dear!”
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@tchrist I watched the movie Beowulf I think.
00:50
Paper from the Proceedings of the 45th Meeting of the Chicago Linguistic Society is here.
They’re making the point that one does things in an oral medium that are different from what one normally does in a written one, and that these were for oral media.
> As will be seen below, OE verse and blogs fall into neither of these prototypical categories, but instead represent genres transitional between oral and written. Extant OE verse survives only in written form, and thus was not actually composed in real time—but as discussed below, is composed as if in real time.
Somehow I don't feel that blogs and Beowulf are that closely related.
I don’t think of blogs as transitional between oral and written. Text messages, maybe.
hi @Jasper
I'll have to re
Ember not to bother signing in on
Ah, Academe!
> Foley (1991) analyzing epithets like πόδας ᾽ωκὺς ‘swift footed’, as characterizing Achilles in Iliad XXIV.559, argues that the use of this epithet (in this case, while Achilles is not in motion), is a traditionally established method of bringing the full image of Achilles to the minds of the audience (Foley 1991:142f.).
This is still from the Hwaet-LOL paper.
Y iPod again. It is too hard to see or reply
Pretend I'm not here. Urg.
01:05
One of the authors cites an upcoming paper of his: Slade, B. forthcoming. How (exactly) to slay a dragon in Indo-European? PIE *bheid- {h3égwhim,
kwŕ̥mi-}. Historische Sprachforschung.
I’m sure we’re all dying to learn.
Well, all us dragons, I mean.
01:27
@tchrist Neither do I.
@tchrist What about it?
I am amused by how they make it seem fancy.
What? Their paper?
Yes.
It just seems a silly paper dressed up in fancy terms.
01:44
Yeah, wouldn't be the first.
02:26
@Mahnax And Copyeditor makes three.
Nice.
I had thought Ed had gotten it long ago, but it seems that he hasn’t.
Archaeologist is rarer, hm.
Epic is even rarer.
Tenacious, Tumbleweed, and Unsung Hero have never been obtained on ELU.
03:14
Or Reversal. Probably never will.
Why does Fumble put a giant ! at the top of NS’s questions?
 
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06:17
That's muffle lay.
What does that mean?
06:33
@FrankScience I believe it doesn't mean anything. Refer english-test.net/forum/ftopic79999.html
@DavidWallace Therefore it's nonsense?
07:21
@FrankScience I don't believe that any native speaker of English would understand anything by this remark. Of course, there could always be a little pocket of people somewhere in the world who would use and understand such an expression, but it seems extremely unlikely to me.
 
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user19161
09:51
Happy October.
10:42
Hello.
11:42
Morning.
O la paloma blanca.
nods to Reg
What's happy about October? It's the beginning of the slide into winter, the sun's progress toward the southern hemisphere accelerates, and all the leaves come off the trees.
Sounds giddy.
Apples.
Pumpkinfest.
The New Year.
A holiday.
What's not fun about October?
11:49
1 min ago, by Robusto
What's happy about October? It's the beginning of the slide into winter, the sun's progress toward the southern hemisphere accelerates, and all the leaves come off the trees.
Want to dance? We can do circles all day.
I much prefer square dance.
No dancing in chat. Also, no circles.
Oh I see. It's going to be that kind of day.
That unkind of day, to be precise.
11:50
It's Monday. Duh.
Wait I thought it was October?
But...my boss is out of town.
October and Monday.
And coffee! And holes in my ceiling!
11:51
Hi.
Yeah the end of summer sucks.
Does the hole have a cat yet?
Who let the dogs in?
woof
Hey the remaining gang's all here.
@RegDwighт She's too lazy to jump that high.
Throw her.
11:51
giggles
I saw one crazy film yesterday.
Which?
It's... unusual.
And threelingual.
English, French, Spanish.
Well, I watched it with a Russian overdub, so make that four.
Oh, I know those three. It looks like a fun romp.
It's funny, too.
11:54
It's French, so it must not be.
The description sucks. Ignore the description.
OK, I will.
I've never seen anything quite like that before.
It's always hard to tell with French films. Sometimes they look funny, but it is just the chocolate coating on the grasshopper.
Other than being set in Paris and having Charlotte Gainsbourg in it, not much French about this one.
11:55
Oh! It's the Eternal Sunshine guy.
@KitFox it's not unsimilar to Eternal Sunshine, Being John Malkovich, and the like.
I like those movies.
Then check this one out.
OK.
Hey there was an animé flick you recommended once, I think. A kids' movie. I can't remember the title. Do you know which one I'm talking about?
Totoro.
11:58
That's it. Thanks.
I was going to add it to my list.
A must-see. At any age.
Lovely. I looked it up on Netflix, and the second movie listed is My Neighbor, My Killer
Looks like a million dollars well spent.
People who liked the only cartoon ever that works without having a villain also liked Freddie vs. Jason IV.
Oh, it's a documentary. Even better.
12:05
People are pretty tweaked.
Nah, I'm joking of course. This is plain-text search for a string contained in both titles, after all.
Oh yes. I see.
I was thinking more of "people who like horror movies also like the real thing."
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Well, I rather think there is something wrong with that.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, either.
12:12
Haha.
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Q: Does the washing up fairy exist outside of Australia?

Andrew GrimmJust to clarify, I'm not talking about the Lush product of the same name. In Australia, the washing up fairy is a mythical creature. People leave their dishes unwashed overnight, and lo and behold, the next morning the dishes are clean thanks to the washing up fairy. Sadly, she (I assume it's a...

This is what we've come to? This is an English question?
Martian.
Serves you right for using too much Unicode.
Oh Reg, that reminds me. I wanted to ask a question that is difficult to search for. Can you tell me if the difference between "not a [something]" and "no [something]" has been asked before?
> Generally speaking, if you can't see something, that means that you must have a bug installed in your PC. Simply remove it, and everything will work again. Hope that helps. — RegDwighт ♦ Apr 1 '11 at 14:00
12:20
isn’t PC.
Glad to see you've discovered the bug.
@KitFox so many times that I created a dedicated tag last week!
Ah, that's it. Thanks.
So I have another question about that construction.
If we combine these constructions with *ain't*, we get:
I ain't no fool.
I ain't a fool.
Now you can migrate it back to MSO.
12:26
@tchrist awesome.
Do these appear in different idiolects?
@tchrist You wanna edit here first, or there after the migration?
I’ll edit here first.
Because it seems to me that "I'm not no fool" is different than "I'm no fool" and since "I ain't no fool" is a contraction of the first...now I'm confused again.
12:29
Just admit that you are a fool and be done.
Gosh it is hard to edit when what you are seeing is in Martian.
He wants a copy of the HTTP traffic.
Really?
Yeah.
@Luke - fiddler, network tab in Chrome or Firefox, anything where we can see the actual HTTP going back and forth. Basically we need to see when and where (ie. what request to the server) that garbage is getting added. — Kevin Montrose Sep 27 at 21:12
Just invent something. ХИР ИЗ МАЙ ТРАФИК!
The garbage is not there when viewed from Opera.
So the request is fine.
12:32
Opera: on the cutting edge of recycling.
And somehow so is the response, but Safari is screwing it up.
Safari: on the cutting edge of screwing it up.
I don’t have a "network tab" that I know of to show anything with.
Morningen.
I can simulate the HTTP response/request cycle manually, but since Opera shows it correctly, I’m sure my handrolling would too.
12:34
Oh hello @kittyo.
"View Source" gives me a whited-out window. Weird.
Hello, sweetie.
His gut is wrong.
I am not using a proxy in Safari.
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Q: English SE vandalized by Martians

LukeHere is a screenshot of English SE newest questions tab. Look at the red gibberish (likely Martian handwriting). Here is the text: tdber 18 Tvrptvinp-oldpanigno"viTclzinsti tdber 18 Tvrptvinp- oldpanigno"viAddzinsti butt /bvalui Addzon-td I refreshed the page and the re...

@RegDwighт I’ve edited the question. I hope that is enough for migration.
I’ve saved a copy of the HTML. There is no garbage in the HTML.
13:00
Can’t get the upload widget to work from Safari anymore, and the shot above is blank viewed from there. Looks right in Opera.
The user drop-in code for chat is also display Martian usernames, but the pop-ups aren't.
Hello
I just wonder how Norty can get around the restrictions
He's got a lot of time to kill.
@KitFox Is he really learning?
Learning how to post questions even when we don’t want him to, yes.
13:16
@Kit: Are "issue date" and "billing date" the same thing?
@Gigili Not always.
What does "issue date" refer to in the context of cell phone bills?
"Issue date" is whenever it got sent out. "Billing date" can be the same, but might be different if the bill is paid in installments.
Oh. With cell phones, "issue date" might be the date you got your new phone.
It's hard to say for sure.
@KitFox Could it be the date "from blah to blah" the period of time that charges were calculated for? Or what you said, when it got sent out?
@Gigili Hmm. I think it could be either. Without looking at it, I would guess the latter.
"Billing period" is usually how I see the former.
13:28
@Cerberus
Women in pajamas in the bathroom mixing genders?
Saudi children don't have mothers. Mitosis, I guess.
@KitFox Thank you.
Oh, they do have mothers, but they are kept in seclusion.
@Gigili Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
Bathrooms are for clean people. Women are unclean. QED!
13:30
Meiosis.
I always mix them up.
But I thought meiosis is for sexual reproduction?
Neither is accurate, so it doesn't matter.
You are inaccurate.
phbblt
You are so inaccurate, you wouldn't even appear on an IKEA catalogue in Saudi Arabia.
13:32
awaits parthenogenetic enlightenment
@RegDwighт Well, that's true.
Meiosis () is a special type of cell division necessary for sexual reproduction in eukaryotes. The cells produced by meiosis are gametes or spores. In many organisms, including all animals and land plants (but not some other groups such as fungi), gametes are called sperm and egg cells. Whilst the process of meiosis bears a number of similarities with the 'life-cycle' cell division process of mitosis, it differs in two important respects: * the chromosomes in meiosis undergo a recombination which shuffles the genes producing a different genetic combination in each gamete, compared w...
See, that's for gametes.
Duh.
Mitosis is simple cell division.
So both of you are wrong.
@KitFox you be quiet. We've had that fruitless discussion already. Now let tchrist have his.
Oh fine.
13:33
Suddenly I can see your picture.
huffs
Not the previous one.
Mar 3 at 16:39, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
user image
Mar 3 at 16:39, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
Now tell me with a straight face that that doesn't beat litotes.
That one is blank.
And that one has Martian.
Then my job here is done.
13:34
That isn't less cool than litotes.
It's fewer cool.
Is that your straight face?
It's my o-face.
O I see. But I wanted to see straight.
I don't think I have a straight face.
Bummer.
13:35
I could hammer this one out maybe...
Star hugger.
gets hammer, beats out kinks
If I had a bummer, I'd hummer in the morning, I'd hugger in the evening, all over this land.
deftly avoids the wh- word
Whiplash?
13:36
Meiosis is not less cooler than litotes.
Rhotic whole.
That's my straight face.
That's like saying that Wachowski Starship is not less cooler than Snoop Lion.
Still looks like a tortuous visage.
Castle Greyskull.
So there.
13:37
Grayskull. You're in America.
Ick.
Oh ffs.
Whenever I skip rope with you, I end up flat on my face.
You don't have to skip rope for that, honey.
Greyhawk, also known as the World of Greyhawk, is a fictional world designed as a campaign setting for the Dungeons & Dragons fantasy roleplaying game. Although not the first campaign world developed for Dungeons & Dragons—Dave Arneson's Blackmoor campaign predates it by a few months—the world of Greyhawk was the setting most closely identified with the development of the game from 1972 until 2008. The world itself started as a simple dungeon under a castle designed by Gary Gygax for the amusement of his children and friends, but it rapidly expanded to include not only a complex multi-l...
@RegDwighт You could be a little nicer to me. I would give you apple pie.
13:39
@KitFox I'm still waiting for the previous occurrence of said pie.
I told you, you had to wait until harvest season.
And now it's harvest season.
My wife meanwhile made me apple pie just yesterday.
We've a crappy crop this year though.
Didn’t know you had an American wife.
@tchrist Continue to not know it, for knowing it would be knowing wrong.
13:40
How would I ship it to you? Bake it, then freeze it, you suppose?
And if all goes according to plan, this will be our last apple harvest for several years.
@KitFox we've been there. This is like vu again all over deja.
Then you haven’t had real apple pie.
Which is unfortunate that it is crappy.
The kind with hot dogs in it.
@tchrist Whatever floats your boat.
13:41
@RegDwighт Yeah, I know. But I like talking about it.
@KitFox you were helpful enough already.
American Pie
That becomes tiring after the fifth.
One of the hot dog carts on the Pearl Street Mall has veggie dogs. I always get two.
Pearl Street. Right.
13:43
Ugh, who invited this guy to chat.
Aye, ’tis a pretty place.
Can't say that about the Java Plaza.
But he offers jalapeños with it, not Chicago-style “sport peppers”.
The Pearl Street Mall (also referred to as Pearl Street, Downtown Boulder or just simply Downtown) is a four block pedestrian mall in Boulder, Colorado. The pedestrian area stretches from the 1100 to the 1400 blocks of Pearl Street (inclusive) and is home to a number of locally-owned and operated businesses and restaurants as well as the Boulder County Courthouse. About The Pearl Street Mall is a popular destination for tourists visiting Boulder and for students attending the nearby University of Colorado at Boulder. The mall hosts a blend of locally-owned businesses and national chain ...
It doesn’t have snow on it right now.
It is quite pretty all decked out with late summer and early fall colors.
There are hot-dog carts.
The weird thing is that they don’t ditch the sidewalk-cafe seating during the winter.
People still sit outside to dine.
Some places have those heated umbrellas, though.
Do you have heated umbrellas for winter?
13:47
Maybe I will have a hot dog for lunch. Or two.
The washing fairy question continues to garner more upvotes than closevotes. And “answers”.
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A: Is there a term for the period between midnight and sunrise?

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That's a very elaborate term for the period between midnight and sunrise.
Interesting.
Vice City? pfft
So much for that idea. Safari cored. I was trying to keep the Martian version up and running for any debugging they might want.
Oh bloody hell, the washing fairy is at the top of the supercollider.
It is topped by an XKCD question over at Maths.
Always Friday in MultiCollider.
14:09
How has the washing up fairy question attracted no closevotes? The washing up fairy is a cultural icon that has nothing to do with the language used to talk about it. Or do we suppose the Australians only know about the washing up fairy when they are speaking English?
Huh, no closevotes?
Never mind; I need to swill my eyes out.
People have been complaining about it the whole morning.
Hello
Hello, @Meysam.
14:20
Is this about knocking up brownies?
Recycled paperboard with real girl scout? Yummy.
Wednesday was here.
14:35
Grindleflack was the name of a balrog, ain't it?
@MετάEd You have to open the other end if you want the Girl Scout. Can't you read?
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A: What is the origin of "shh"?

FabianIt's been a while since I read the book, but Fredrik Lindström's "Jordens smartaste ord" (ISBN: 9789100580360) discusses the word "shh" in depth and posits it's the only word common to all human languages. It's even present in languages that don't use the sound. Since it's been so long since I r...

This is a great late answer.
@Robusto I always open the other end.
14:56
Would it be rude if I went and got lunch now and then met my friend for lunch in an hour?
I'm really hungry and I don't think I can wait that long.
If you still meet them...
15:13
Sharing a meal is good for friendship --- best not to fill up now but certainly nobody would fault you for having a snack!
Nosh on a crumpet or something.
Or nibble at a wafer.
To fix your blood sugar. Then have the real meal with your friend.
So Steward badges actually encourage people to have a filthy site, because on a clean site there is nothing to review.
That is the metric you use? Silly Europeans, using such a metric system for reviews.
You can't apply the metric system to everything. But that doesn't mean you won't try.
Yes, I will use any metric. No, I won't use any imperialic.
You are a glorified meter reader.
15:24
Speaking of filthy, where is @jsbձոգչ anyway? Haven't seen him in a while.
I see Waldo in that picture, but no JSB.
> As to fairies in the U.S, I am personally a firm devotee of the Parking Fairy, and, influenced by Fairiology as presented in Pratchett's Hogfather, I have recently come to discern the importance of the Traffic Fairy in our lives; many U.S. children believe in the Tooth Fairy; and Jim McCawley used to say, of some people, that "the Mind Fairy must have come and left a quarter under their pillow".
Fair enough.
Mmm, pulled pork.
Poor piggies.
15:39
@tchrist Some piggies enjoy that sort of thing.
I don't get youse all's obsession with furries.
Hi
15:59
Bye
@KitFox If you like to pull pork, you can pretty much always find work.
@RegDwighт You don't see Johann Sebastian bձոգչ, you only hear him.
16:12
@RegDwighт Wow, is that real?
Incredible.
Ikea just Photoshops out women from the same advert.
16:30
It interesting how Norty’s accept rate goes up when we delete his questions.
17:14
@RegDwighт Check this out, will ya:
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A: Add non-Latin character set support for tags

Marc GravellOur original implementation of tags was written with stackoverflow (and similar sites) in mind, and due to technical reasons would not support much by way of non-latin characters. This has seen a lot of work lately, in particular changing the implementation so that it theoretically supports a wid...

He says it is now working in Russian.SE.
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@tchrist And his rep goes up too, so we are all working for him in a way. See how evil that is?
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@Robusto Those who use meter usually use metre.
@JasperLoy Inviso-rep, you mean.
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@tchrist Maybe he got this all figured out when he attacked us.
user19161
To fight the terrorists, you must think like a terrorist.
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17:24
So we must think, what would Nortonn do?
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Perhaps we should just ignore his questions to deal with him. Pretend they are not there at all.
@JasperLoy That will never happen, because people always end up answering him before he is identified. So he gets what he came for, with no penalty.
@JasperLoy thank you for your proofreading. You have posted this night.
I'm not good with English, but my phone worst the things.
I'm always happy to hear from you. Thank you again.
17:46
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Q: What is a communication breakdown caused by two cultures/societies trying to adapt one another's mores called?

phoenixheart6For example, in Japan I often encounter this paradox when it comes to addressing friends. In Japan, it's generally rude to call someone by their first name unless you're really close friends. You'd generally refer to them by their last name followed by -san. Most of the young people that I meet i...

I don't know of other cultures besides Japanese where this "paradox" obtains.
In fact, I've experienced the opposite in France.
@Robusto What do you mean?
I’m afraid I’ve gone and bowdlerized the ass-popping question’s title.
@tchrist: I saw that just now.
I don’t think that is a good title for us.
If fuck and jerk off etc. are acceptable, why is this not? Besides, why do we give a fuck about search engines now working properly?
They aren’t.
17:55
They are in other questions.
Especially fuck. We don’t use fuck in titles.
No, they are not.
Besides, are there any guidelines for this?
They can be in question, but not the title.
Yes, there are.
I recommend attempting a search.
I recommend paying attention.
17:56
I saw at least one.
@tchrist I mean that people would refuse to speak to me in English, especially in Paris, and yet they rewarded my pathetic attempts at French with continued conversation in that language.
Shrug. Rolling back.
@Robusto Oh, that. That’s France, tu sais. Very different in language matters.
@coleopterist Lock and take it to meta.
You can do that if you like.
Besides, there is not a single term in the sentence which is profane in itself as "ass" is mostly acceptable everywhere. The phrase itself is not profane either.
@Robusto ! It is the opposite for me. They reward my pathetic attempts at French with English.
17:59
@Cerberus Only because they know Dutch to be a made-up language.
@coleopterist Pay attention:
@tchrist the policy on this site is that potentially offensive words shall be censored in the titles, but can be explicit in the bodies and comments. If you find this policy unacceptable, please refrain from participating on this website. Thanks! — Jeff Atwood Jan 11 at 1:05
In BrE parlance, Dutch would be called a bespoke language.
@coleopterist I agree that such words should be allowed; but some compromise was reached between us and Jef a year or so ago.
Jinx.
@tchrist So, what is a potentially offensive word here?

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