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Mitch

17:00

@tchrist jincks

Goku カカロット

@Robusto I don't think him stuttering is caused by age

Mitch

@Robusto He rides a bike better than I do.

Robusto

@Gokuカカロット Perhaps the stumbling is, though. Lotta laughs there, yeah?

Mitch

@Gokuカカロット He's had it since a kid and has learned to compensate for it mostly, but most of his language infelicities can be ascribed to it.

Goku カカロット

@Robusto i was rolling on the floor when he stumbled

@Mitch still funny though

tchrist

17:02

@Mitch Bailador, bailarín: don Antonio, ¿son tuyas esas banderas?

Mitch

For Obama, his language infelicities were all on the order of him trying to multiprocess access to his own internal law library and pick the one right word. For every single word.

Robusto

@Gokuカカロット Don't be a prick.

Goku カカロット

@Robusto I laugh at almost anything. This isn't exclusive to Biden

Robusto

@Mitch His language infelicities included being someone who naturally spoke like a college professor (a good one) trying to sound like a brother.

Mitch

@Robusto oh yeah I see that now.

I little bit 'What's up my fellow kids'

How Do You Do Fellow Kids? | 30 Rock

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Robusto

17:11

I don't fault him for it, since it helped him beat Romney in 2012, but I do find it a bit ... off.

Goku カカロット

I hate politicians

Mitch

Whoa dude this ain't 4chan!

If you really want to say something like that you have to:

1) Find a meme for it in Russian.

Goku カカロット

@Mitch isn't it? Is it not?

Mitch

2) Translate it to Greek.

3) make a multilingual pun out of 'poop' and 'wine-red sea' in Chinese and Galician

(the poop is for me)

tchrist

@Mitch Long and unbidden abode Mitch there anoven once I bad him bide no more aborning.

Mitch

17:17

4) Tell us what the whether is like where you're at currently

Robusto

@Mitch Tell me you have a bunch of PowerPoint slides that you call "the poop deck."

Mitch

5) then forget steps 1 through 3, and then after that forget this step.

tchrist

@Mitch Homer wept.

Robusto

@Mitch And weather that makes a difference.

tchrist

Your bel wether isn't even pretty.

Robusto

17:18

Um, actually it's the wine-dark sea, I believe.

Mitch

@Robusto whether that makes a difference, I do not know

tchrist

@Robusto Hence the lachrymose cadence.

Mitch

@Robusto I thought the importance of that phrasing was the the sea doesn't look red to you and me but blue.

Robusto

@tchrist Don't tear up on me now.

Mitch

@Robusto As a matter of fact... yes

Feb 12, 2013 at 19:34, by Mitch

I thought she was more December aft.

I'm pooped. I'm going to pop up to the poop deck to poop.

I thought it was more stern.

I'm pooped. I'm going to pop-up to the aft deck aft.

tchrist

17:20

Hobos and sterno. When will it ever end?

Robusto

Don't forget, sterno rhymes with inferno.

tchrist

> The co-leader of the failed plot by right-wing extremists to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) in 2020 was sentenced in federal court Tuesday to 16 years in prison, far below the life sentence sought by federal prosecutors but the longest sentence yet in what was the highest-profile domestic terrorism case in recent years.

Couldn't've happened to a nicer guy.

Mitch

@Robusto ¡Dante adelante!

Robusto

@Mitch Alighieri was ... merry? Scary? Chary?

tchrist

¿Te dan a/del ante? ¿Qué será un ante, tía?

Bring me my chariot of fire.

Robusto

17:33

ChatGPT-generated comic strip.

Mitch

@tchrist So are the French and Spanish meanings of equivoc- mostly the same?

Also Spanish probably borrowed it fairly recently from French, right? because it still has a 'q'?

tchrist

@Robusto Haselnüsse.

@Mitch ¿Huh? ¿¡How else could you spell it!?

Mitch

@Robusto That guy should shave. It's not very professional the way he presents.

@tchrist I dunna? In Spanish? Maybe 'ecuivocas'?

cripes

tchrist

@Mitch Don't be so jodido.

See L aequivŏcus.

Mitch

@tchrist I'm probably irredeemibly jodido. Without knowing what jodido means. I'm going to go look that up now.

tchrist

17:39

/ki/ and /kwi/ and /kuy/ sound nothing like each other.

Robusto

@Mitch Jodido is Spanish for "Hold the door!" when running for an elevator.

tchrist

quiquiriquí

Interjection: ¡quiquiriquí!

cock-a-doodle-doo!
Synonym: cocorocó

Noun: quiquiriquí m (plural quiquiriquís or quiquiriquíes)

cock-a-doodle-doo
Synonym: cacareo

Mitch

@tchrist Oh. Hm. I would have gone with 'pesado' or 'las tonterias

tchrist

The only way to spell /ki/ in Spanish words is qui.

Mitch

@Robusto I will now use this as much as possible.

@tchrist Oh.

Robusto

17:42

May 1, 2014 at 0:07, by Robusto

Depression Before Spring
by Wallace Stevens

The cock crows
But no queen rises.

The hair of my blonde
Is dazzling,
As the spittle of cows
Threading the wind.

Ho! Ho!

But ki-ki-ri-ki
Brings no rou-cou,
No rou-cou-cou.

But no queen comes
In slipper green.

tchrist

@Mitch You didn't really think those French versions somehow had a /w/ sound in them, did you?

Mitch

Esta peliroja needs to do a video on why 'cui' = /kwi/ but 'gui' = /gi/ but also there's 'gü-' which I think is /gw/

@tchrist no but...

Robusto

@Mitch As in guapo.

Mitch

wait

tchrist

Nor does Italian chicchirichì have a /w/ in it, either.

Robusto

17:45

@tchrist But chicchirichì brings no rou-cou.

Mitch

What about 'pingüino'?

I missed that day in Spanish class

(spoiler alert - I missed -all- the days in Spanish class)

tchrist

For lack of ‹k› outside the Kalends, given the palatalizations that happened to the /k/ sound when it is followed by a front vowel transitioning from Latin to Romance, these days you have to resort to custom hacks to the orthography when representing a real /ke/ or /ki/ in today's Romance.

@Mitch The dots make it a /gwi/. Otherwise it is /gi/. Don't use a u if you want /xi/.

Mitch

also 'cuius'. I've forgotten more about that than I ever knew. I'm pretty sure I've asking @Cerberus how that is pronounced, and also asked on Latin Language But I still can't remember it.

tchrist

Back to butt jokes?

Oh bad keming.

Mitch

@tchrist But what about 'guapo'? no diaeresis there.

tchrist

17:49

Gag.

Mitch

@tchrist no jokes about rings and aunts here.

tchrist

Do you not understand what happened to the velars?

> El español utiliza una variante extendida del alfabeto latino, el cual consta de 27 letrasa: a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, ñ, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y y z. Asimismo, se emplean también cinco dígrafos para representar otros tantos fonemas: ch, ll, rr, gu y qu; considerados estos dos últimos como variantes posicionales para la representación de los fonemas /g/ y /k/.

Mitch

No. That's why I am making an unheard appeal to the 'Lingurioso' person

Robusto

The Velars were 12th century Hungarian nobles who were wiped out in the 13th century by the Mongols.

Mitch

@Robusto That's the kind of information we want here.

Robusto

17:52

You're welcome.

Mitch

how else would you find out about these details of history.

Wikipedia doesn't have it.

Robusto

You can only get it here.

Mitch

Sad

Robusto

It is.

tchrist

> El grafema G comparte con C la dualidad de valores según el grafema siguiente sea A, O, U o bien E, I. El llamado "duro" es la consonante fricativa velar sorda, /x/, el mismo sonido de J; en los dialectos que suavizan esta última en una consonante fricativa glotal sorda, /h/, la G se suaviza también. Corresponde a su pronunciación frente a las vocales E e I.

El llamado "blando" es la consonante plosiva velar sonora, /g/; en posición media, en todos los dialectos del español experimenta lenición y se transforma en una consonante aproximante velar, [ɰ] (en la sección correspondiente a la B…

> Para representar las secuencias [ge], [gi], [ɰe] y [ɰi] se recurre a la inserción de una U muda entre la G y la vocal correspondiente. De ese modo, guerra corresponde a la pronunciación ['ge.ra], y seguido a [se.'ɰi.ð̞o].

It's the very same "hard" and "soft" "c" and "g" type rule as we have in English.

> El grafema Q aparece en español únicamente en la secuencia QU, con el valor de la consonante plosiva velar sorda, /k/, y sólo ante E e I. Se utiliza como sustituto de la C frente a estas letras, debido a la pronunciación variable de aquella.

Remember: you have no K.

But you need to spell the /ki/ or /ke/ sounds.

So you spell those que and qui. To make them "hard". Because ce and ci wouldn't work.

Ortografía del español

La ortografía del español es el conjunto de normas que regulan la escritura del idioma. La Asociación de Academias de la Lengua Española (ASALE), cuyo miembro más destacado es la Real Academia Española (RAE), son las instituciones encargadas de ello, ya que han descrito su misión como «impulsar la unidad, integridad y desarrollo del idioma». [1] El español utiliza una variante extendida del alfabeto latino, el cual consta de 27 letras[a]: a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, ñ, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y y z. Asimismo, se emplean también cinco dígrafos para representar otros tantos…

QU means /k/ when it has a front vowel following it just like how in Italian CH means /k/ with a front vowel following it.

ci vs che, and all that.

@Mitch Did you look to see whether she had one yet?

Estas letras NO estaban en el ALFABETO LATINO. ¿De dónde vienen?

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Buen provecho.

Robusto

18:07

@tchrist I love her. Thanks for bringing her to my attention.

tchrist

She's awesome.

English speakers learning Spanish who claim it's harder to understand Spanish(es) spoken in Spain than it is Spanish(es) spoken in America simply haven't listened to anything at all. She's super-clear.

Yes, she's paying special attention to her diction, almost constantly, but still.

This is the other one that's a delight to listen to.

Can you hear these words hidden in theme tunes?

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And not just because of the Batman! song. :)

Vikas

18:51

Has Republicans approved Trump as Presidency candidate? Or will it be decided later?

And if not him, who is other potential leader in the party?

Robusto

19:09

@Vikas Not until the primaries in 2024, if even then.

Like, if he's not in jail by then.

Vikas

19:24

@Robusto Isn't it the reason he wants to become President again?

Or at least the candidate.

Robusto

@Vikas I couldn't say, except that he is like an infestation of cockroaches: you can't really get rid of them.

M.A.R.

19:41

@Vik if your hands are really parallel to the table that's actually not good posture

@Vikas probably DeSantis or some other nutjob that's less prone to being a complete moron and is therefore more dangerous

Although I realize the standard for that is pretty low, I mean, Bush Jr. was less of an idiot than these Q-anoners

Robusto

19:55

@M.A.R. He was in the same ballpark, though.

M.A.R.

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Q: Did Greg Abbott send a busload of migrants to Kamala Harris' house as a political stunt on Christmas eve?

I can't square this one. Greg Abbott is a republican governor who espouses conservative Christian values, so when I read that he deliberately redirected a busload of migrant families to a political opponent's house, on Christmas eve of all days, it makes me wonder whether we're getting the whole ...

Cripes

jlliagre

20:33

Wordle 556 5/6

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🟩🟩🟨🟨🟨
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

Daily Quordle 337
5️⃣8️⃣
🟥9️⃣
quordle.com

Daily Octordle #337
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🟥5️⃣
9️⃣6️⃣
4️⃣🕚
Score: 76

La palabra del día #355 3/6

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https://lapalabradeldia.com/

Robusto

@jlliagre I didn't miss any and was only three points better than your score.

The scoring is heavily weighted toward early solves.

jlliagre

20:53

> The numeric score is designed intentionally and does not penalize missed words very much. Instead the numeric score is designed to show overall performance in the game. It rewards answering words earlier more than it penalizes missing words. Answering more words than somebody else is obviously better and deserving of bragging rights. The score offers a way to see who was more efficient with their guesses.
Many people have opinions and suggestions on these scores but they are unlikely to be changed at this time.

From octordle.com/tutorial

> Numeric Score - Lower is Better
A numeric score like "Score: 65" is shown at the end. This adds the number of guesses taken for each word. A score of 14 is used for any word not guessed.

Robusto

Yeah, so I surmised.

jlliagre

21:20

Le Mot (@WordleFR) #352 5/6

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🟩🟨⬛⬛🟩
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🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

https://wordle.louan.me

Robusto

21:32

@jlliagre They should flip that name around to MotLe to be in accord with other such games—Wordle, Worldle, Globle, etc.

jlliagre

@Robusto PalabraLe too?

Robusto

Sí.

jlliagre

They won't. They only have one player, and he doesn't complain ;-)

Robusto

Hahaha.

jlliagre

The French one was tricky today.

Robusto

21:36

You have all those marked vowels.

jlliagre

Meaning?

You mean French and Spanish vowels pronunciation affect these games?

Or is it about diacritics?

Both LeMot and LaPalabraDelDia ignore diacritics.

Robusto

@jlliagre Diacritics.

@jlliagre Oh, really?

jlliagre

Except ñ in Spanish.

Robusto

21:59

Correct.

Social Security denies disability benefits based on list with jobs from 1977

> He had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.
There was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nu…

Robusto

22:17

jlliagre

> There is more than meets the eye when it comes to being an egg processor. For example, did you know that they make an average of $34.82 an hour? That's $72,428 a year! Between 2018 and 2028, the career is expected to grow 5% and produce 72,100 job opportunities across the U.S.

> How To Become an Egg Processor
If you're interested in becoming an egg processor, one of the first things to consider is how much education you need. We've determined that 30.0% of egg processors have a bachelor's degree. In terms of higher education levels, we found that 0.0% of egg processors have master's degrees. Even though some egg processors have a college degree, it's possible to become one with only a high school degree or GED.

Robusto

My favorite is document preparer, microfilming. Like anybody uses microfilm anymore.

@jlliagre ChatGPT?

jlliagre

Not even. zippia.com/egg-processor-jobs

That's exactly what I thought when I was reading it. AI building phony pages.

Robusto

Haha, I wouldn't want to hang from a rope until someone found a $72 K job doing egg processing.

jlliagre

La poule au œufs d'or maybe :-)

Robusto

22:24

Sure. You find those all over.

jlliagre

Pâté de Foie Gras (short story)

Pâté de Foie Gras is a 1956 science fiction short story by American writer Isaac Asimov, originally published by Astounding Science Fiction. Like Asimov's "The Endochronic Properties of Resublimated Thiotimoline", "Pâté de Foie Gras" is a scientific spoof article, updating one of Aesop's Fables, The Goose that Laid the Golden Eggs. == Plot == A Department of Agriculture employee tells of the discovery on a farm in Texas of a goose that lays golden eggs, and how US government and academic researchers try to solve the mystery of the goose. While its eggs are valuable as pure gold, learning how the...

Robusto

Nice.

jlliagre

23:11

@Robusto ChatGPT is more "reasonable":

> Would you recommend egg processor as a career?

It is not possible for me to recommend a specific career or job to an individual as it depends on their personal interests, skills, and goals.

Egg processing involves a range of tasks related to the handling, sorting, grading, and packaging of eggs for distribution and sale. If you are interested in this type of work and have the necessary skills and qualifications, it could be a potential career option to consider.

However, it is important to carefully research and consider all aspects of the job before making a decision about pursuing it…

CowperKettle

23:21

> Several attempts to create a Heisenberg failure in the mid-1950s coincided with a series of hurricanes striking New England in such a manner as to suggest that nature would find a way to add water whatever man decided, if man were to be resolute in not adding water. Asimov speculated that Noah's flood might have been brought about by thiotimoline experiments among the ancient Sumerians.

CowperKettle

23:36

> In Slavic folklore, Koschei the Immortal was bony, thin and lean. Was his condition caused by severe calorie restriction (CR)? CR deactivates the target of rapamycin pathway and slows down aging. But the life-extending effect of severe CR is limited by starvation. What if Koschei's anti-aging formula included rapamycin? ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4649836

Koschei

Koschei (Russian: Коще́й, tr. Koshchey, IPA: [kɐˈɕːej]), often given the epithet "the Immortal", or "the Deathless" (Russian: Коще́й Бессме́ртный), is an archetypal male antagonist in Russian folklore. The most common feature of tales involving Koschei is a spell which prevents him from being killed. He hides his soul inside nested objects to protect it. For example, the soul (or in the tales, it is usually called "death") may be hidden in a needle that is hidden inside an egg, the egg is in a duck, the duck is in a hare, the hare is in a chest, the chest is buried or chained up on a far island...

I think his condition was caused by the prosaic age-related sarcopenia.

Cerberus

23:48

@Mitch Approximately /kuː.jus/.

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