English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

jlliagre

14:00

@tchrist Oui, mais j'avais demandé une chambre double can translate to Yes, but I had asked for a double room, can't it?

tchrist

@jlliagre Sure. These seem unremarkable to me, though.

So I don't know what he's driving at.

I never thought of this application as special to French and English, but now that I think of it I don't know that I'd use había there in Spanish, either. So maybe this is his point. I'm not sure.

I'm not positive he's Spanish. He's asked questions the Spanish language site.

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Q: I wouldn't know

Could somebody explain the sentence "I wouldn't know"? What would be a Spanish equivalent word/expression, especially in a context similar to this: 'Do you do this every year? I wouldn't know' - Leonardo DiCaprio pokes fun at Oscars drought as he has award engraved. Leonardo DiCaprio has proved ...

Robusto

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Whew.

tchrist

His "Still, Y yo que sé is quite rude in Spanish, so it doesn't fit the context of Dicaprio's situation. Is there any other alternative translation?" is likely the observation of a native speaker. I'm not 100% positive, though.

Robusto

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tchrist

I had an Argentine profesora once who used to use that expression a lot. Generally came off sounding a bit put out.

¡Zho qué sé? in her accent, so to speak.

jlliagre

14:10

Qu'est-ce que j'en sais, moi !

tchrist

But Spain-Spanish uses the affricated version from English Joe there. Hers was smooth as though it were French, like in measure.

CowperKettle

@M.A.R. BIOCAD, a company for which I worked as a translator

tchrist

@jlliagre That does sound put out.

CowperKettle

@jlliagre Merci!

jlliagre

@tchrist Yes, that depend on the context but it's usually rude. I like the way Argentines pronounce the Y and LL's.

CowperKettle

14:13

That's odd. There's no Wikipedia article for Robert W. S. Thomson, poet-translator.

He also wrote a poetic ode about Napoleon's invasion of Russia. Published 1814.

jlliagre

@CowperKettle There is an article on that one, who worked on La Fountain ;-)

Robert William Thomson

Robert William Thomson PRSSA FRSE (29 June 1822–8 March 1873), from Stonehaven, Scotland, was the inventor of the fountain pen and original inventor of the pneumatic tyre. == Life == He was born on 29 June 1822 in Stonehaven in the northeast of Scotland, He was baptised into the Church of Scotland on 26 July 1822. Robert was the eleventh of twelve children of a local woolen mill owner. His family wished him to study for the ministry, but Robert refused, one reason being his inability to master Latin. Robert left school at the age of 14 and went to live with an uncle in Charleston, United States...

CowperKettle

Robusto

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CowperKettle

@jlliagre No )) The one who translated the Fables published the translation in 1806 ))

books.googleusercontent.com/books/…

Vikas

@CowperKettle 😲😲😲

CowperKettle

14:18

A teacher of English who lived in Paris

jlliagre

@CowperKettle That was a joke about La Fontaine and Fountain

CowperKettle

A good ode.

It's a pity he is forgotten.

jlliagre

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CowperKettle

Ah

Robusto

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Crap again.

jlliagre

14:28

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CowperKettle

14:40

jlliagre

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CowperKettle

15:15

Super Mario Brothers, a movie shot in the 1970s style.

Cerberus

So weird.

jlliagre

Boring company...

CowperKettle

@Cerberus It was generated by a neural net

The most popular word in each US state.

Cerberus

@CowperKettle Ah, that explains it.

CowperKettle

Synchronized Neural Oscillations in the Right Brain Induce Empathic Behavior

> First, they showed that the reciprocal circuit between the ACC-BLA in the right hemisphere is essential for observational freezing behavior. When they optogenetically inhibited the ACC-BLA circuits only in the right brain, mice showed reduced observational freezing.

> As a result, they found that brain rhythms with the range of 5-7 Hz selectively increased in the ACC and BLA at the specific moment within the observer mice at the time they showed empathic freezing behavior.

> “Considering the universality of observational fear across mammals, it is reasonable to suppose a similar neural signature critical for affective empathy may be found in humans and could be used to identify empathy dysfunction in humans with psychiatric disorders involving severe social deficits.”

It would be interesting to analyze this synchronization in murderers.

user4539917

15:28

in Sports News, 3 hours ago, by user4539917

Forbes: Asian And African Teams Have Best Ever World Cup Group Stage

in Sports News, 3 hours ago, by user4539917

> for the first time ever, three sides from the Asian Football Confederation have reached the round of 16 at the World Cup.

CowperKettle

16:33

On Twitter, I added "football" and "soccer" to the list of banned words, and bliss descented on my newsfeed ))

Vikas

@CowperKettle LOL

@CowperKettle I like cricket but definitely not on social media. I tried hard to mute and this and that but still it keeps recommending me some posts from here and there.

Looks like it knows I love cricket.

CowperKettle

I also banned "Trump" and "Elon Musk" ))

Pi mnemonic

Vikas

I have only muted elon musk. Since Trump is not posting mute not needed. But I like his funny posts anyway.

CowperKettle

Liguus virgineus

Monthly use of swearwords in Russian social networks (Fat horizontal bars) and daily peaks (small bars)

On the first weekend after the Special Operation started, there was an absolute peak, 375 thousand swearwords per day.

It was surpassed on the day when the European Union announced a package of sanctions, 12 March.

Cerberus

@CowperKettle Pretty cool.

CowperKettle

16:48

@Cerberus Yes, amazing ))

Cerberus

CowperKettle

And a local peak, 250 thousand swearwords, on 21 Sept, the day when Mobilizaion was announced - and this despite the heavy censorship and penalties promised for any untowards statements. You can't compare 21 Sept with 27 February, when people still were not as afraid of being nabbed by the police. So this 250 thousand is very high in context.

Cerberus

@CowperKettle I read that Putin had a secret opinion poll held, and the large majority of Russians no longer support the war.

CowperKettle

@Cerberus Yes, I read about that, published by Meduza ))

Meduza consists of top-notch Russian journalists who worked at Lenta.Ru before it was overtaken by one of Putin's oligarchs.

They fled to the Baltic states.

Cerberus

Right, I've heard about Meduza.

user4539917

16:57

Have you heard about the situation in Tigray?

CowperKettle

Tigray Region

The Tigray Region ( or ; Tigrinya: ክልል ትግራይ; Amharic: ትግራይ ክልል, romanized: Tigrāy kilil), officially the Tigray National Regional State (Tigrinya: ብሔራዊ ክልላዊ መንግስቲ ትግራይ, romanized: Bəh̩erawi Kəllelawi Mängəśti Təgray), is the northernmost regional state in Ethiopia. The Tigray Region is the homeland of the Tigrayan people. Formerly known as Region 1, its capital and largest city is Mekelle. Tigray is the fifth-largest by area, the fifth-most populous, and the fifth-most densely populated of the 11 regional states. Tigray's official language is Tigrinya, similar to that spoken in Eritrea just to...

No

The northernmost region in Ethiopia. It's like Siberia, only in Ethiopia.

Cerberus

There is supposed to be a recent agreement between the Tigray rebels and the central government.

user4539917

In 2021, Ethiopia reported 5.1 million internally displaced people in twelve months, the most people internally displaced in any country in any single year. Millions more have fled to Sudan as northern Ethiopia, especially Tigray, remains cut off from food, water, and medical aid.

cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/conflict-ethiopia

CowperKettle

Tigray War

The Tigray War was an armed conflict that lasted from 3 November 2020 to 3 November 2022. The war was primarily fought in the Tigray Region of Ethiopia between the Ethiopian federal government and Eritrea on one side, and the Tigray People's Liberation Front (TPLF) on the other.After years of increased tensions and hostilities between the TPLF and the governments of Ethiopia and Eritrea, fighting began when Tigrayan security forces attacked the Northern Command headquarters of the Ethiopian National Defense Force (ENDF), alongside a number of other bases in Tigray. The ENDF counterattacked from...

A war that was over before I learned it was.

user4539917

It is not "over."

That is what the government wants the world to believe.

CowperKettle

17:05

mRNA is bigger than a protein it encodes

user4539917

That's like Putin saying the operation is no longer "special."

Recent Developments

Since 2021, the United States has characterized the conflict as ethnic cleansing against Tigrayans, and harrowing reports have documented the prevalence of mass atrocities.

CowperKettle

I was reading this Twitter account of a young Russian doctor. And this summer, she started feeling weird. And on MRI, they found a mass in her brainstem. Now she is having bouts of extremely low blood pressure. The last time she stopped to write, I was afraid she would no longer post anything twitter.com/triki_tiki

> My blood pressure is 60/30, heart rate 40, I don't recommend being in this condition, I would rate it 0/10

Cerberus

18:28

@CowperKettle Stopped to write, or stopped writing?

M.A.R.

19:42

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Q: Did a 1982 Zimbabwean law prohibit jokes about President Canaan Banana’s name?

It is widely reported that a 1982 Zimbabwean statute prohibited jokes about Canaan Banana’s name. I’m not sure that that’s true. Is it? The Economist: As head of state, Mr Banana never really commanded respect. His name did not help, and in 1982 a law was passed banning jokes about it. The Telegr...

law

Robusto

21:08

@CowperKettle That's wrong. The most popular word in Texas is "Huh?" Go there and prove me wrong.

@jlliagre Which one applies to the Michelin man?

Does the copyright for Superman® cover Hyperman too? Or can we resuscitate the Big Red Cheese? — John Lawler 3 hours ago

@JohnLawler: That's the rumor, but I think it's just a lot of hype. — Robusto 2 mins ago

Mitch

21:44

@CowperKettle haha same here

@Vikas if you mute the -key words- trump and Elon, you also won't see tweets or retweets or anything that mentions those words.

Improves the experience immensely

user4539917

sounds like an ostrich

Mitch

Ostrich?

user4539917

yup, with the GOP so close to getting a majority

jlliagre

22:02

@Robusto Neither of them but a fourth one straight from Latin: Nunc est bibendum (Now is the time for drinking.)

Robusto

22:36

@jlliagre He looks like he's already had enough. Take his car keys and let him call a taxi.

> Jonathan the tortoise, world’s oldest land animal, celebrates his 190th birthday

"Hey, get off my lawn!"

Cerberus

He's perfect.

jlliagre

23:11

@Robusto He drinks nails, horseshoes, and shards of bottle. I don't know if that affects his ability to drive.

Tortoises have plastrons but no bibs.

@Robusto 190 years! Once again: To run is nothing ; we must timely start.

tchrist

23:29

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Q: 'Would' to indicate that the information given is not absolutely certain

Page 60 of Learner English: A Teacher's Guide to Interference reads: In French conditionals are also used (for example, in newspaper articles or news broadcasts) to indicate that the information given is not absolutely certain: *The hijackers would be members of the extremist group. (instead of ...

conditionals french would

I'm not sure where this fellow is coming from, but I've tried to explain how both English and Romance can use future or conditional to express probability or likelihood in the speaker's eyes.

I wish he had given the French versions, though.

So Será José can just mean "that must be José".

Or that'll be Joe, same diff.

When the phone rings and we say That'll be Joe, we're doing the same thing.

It would also help if I had the book he's citing in hand, but I don't. I feel like there's more context here, and I'm guessing that the book isn't "wrong" but that I'm not seeing the pattern they're trying to identify.

CowperKettle

@Cerberus She posted, and then for several next days there were no posts. I wonder if really nothing can be done. These days, there is the gamma knife therapy. But I'm not an expert.

Cerberus

@CowperKettle OK then the continuous should be used.

Sorry to be talking about the grammar rather than the content...

Goku

I wanna learn Japanese

tchrist

@Goku You should probably learn English first.

Goku

23:46

@tchrist I already have. Well, I've learned enough English to the point I can read it, write it and comprehend it well

I don't need to achieve mastery

user4539917

with mastery come fluency

tchrist

Did you know that writing wanna is considered rude in written English?

And not ending sentence with periods is

Cerberus

Rude is a big word.

tchrist

Can be.

You will be excoriated for it if you turn it in for a written essay, or on a patent, or in a legal brief.

Goku

All of that may be true but, none of this really matters (to me) if I can get my point across and have day-to-day conversation just fine.

tchrist

23:48

You're a kid, arncha?

Maybe eurakid, I dunno.

It's quite qyoot to right this weigh.

Goku

No, just someone who values time more than unnecessary mastery of a language.

tchrist

But you won't be taken seriously.

You'll be turned out for things because you aren't using standard written English.

Is that your goal?

user4539917

linking and blending is important too

Goku

If anything, I'm having a hard time taking you seriously.

tchrist

@Goku Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.

You have confirmed you are just a kid who doesn't care about written English. That's ok. But I certainly shan't take you seriously.

Goku

23:52

I don't need you to.

tchrist

See, was that hard?

Goku

No, but calling me a kid when I am not one, is wrong.

user4539917

Relax, he's taking about written formal English; which is a skill.

tchrist

By their words shall ye know them.

If you write like kid, who am I to say you are not one?

user4539917

ok, stop teasing

Goku

23:54

If he flexes this "skill" by calling others kids for not caring about it (as much) then, I'm not sure who the actual kid here is.

Cerberus

Now, now.

Goku

He shouldn't have started this.

tchrist

You shouldna gonna wannaed.

I am perfectly capable of writing like a cute kiddy talks. But it seems out of place.

Goku

Who made this guy a mod?

user4539917

You can both stop now please.

Cerberus

23:57

I agree with User 453, this conversation probably does not benefit its participants.

tchrist

You're both right.

Goku

I am NOT the one consistently calling the other a "kid" despite being told to stop. Let's not act like I'm just as wrong here as him.

tchrist

I stand by my initial joke.

jlliagre

@tchrist Here is an example: Les pirates de l'air seraient des partisans de Mouammar Kadhafi qui réclament l'asile politique à Malte et veulent annoncer la création d'un parti pro-Kadhafi.

tchrist

Everything else is so much frog dissection.

Cerberus

23:59

@tchrist You may have been formally correct, and meant it in a jocular manner, but you can probably see why it was taken badly.

tchrist

@jlliagre And that just means they probably are such in this context?

Goku

You may keep your "jokes" to yourself. Calling others something they're not is wrong.

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