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A sheer hatred of the regime sounds familiar.

> Those words were clearly meant as a warning. But by tying the regime’s survival to its ability to police women’s bodies, the old ayatollah also handed his enemies a weapon. That is why Mahsa Amini has become such a powerful martyr for the younger generation. Just by tearing a thin piece of fabric from their heads, they can challenge a regime they have come to loathe for all kinds of reasons.

12:32 AM

Also, paramilitary thugs sounds like the proud boys.

I think one of their leaders died recently.

Yeah. They're what the PBs aspire to be: hateful and in power.

So a power struggle is due...

proud power boys

storm world cup in qatar

Repeat of 1989 Tiananmen Square

1:05 AM

A Desert storm is brewing... but Qatar determined to host a spectacular 2022 World Cup

All that slave labor gone to waste.

@Robusto first we had the rumble in the jungle, and now the tremble in the desert

as bodies brush against each other in a bus

1:25 AM

Yup.

Xanne

“Bodies in a Bus: How Iran Became a Secular Democracy”

lol, good one

Rumble in the Jungle Rematch – Muhammad Ali immersive theatre experience announced

> Although no specific venue has been revealed, the production is expected to launch in early 2023.

2:09 AM

@FaheemMitha The list I'm using was compiled by a group of Russian psychiatrists who adhere to the principles of Evidence-based medicine (EBM). So it's generally good. And I'm visiting a local psychiatrist who is on the list.

It's still hard to read after my vision got blurry.

2:24 AM

Word of the day: sacral agenesis

Kenny Easterday

Kenneth Easterday (December 7, 1973 – February 12, 2016) was an American man born with the rare disability, sacral agenesis. To improve his mobility, his legs were amputated at the hip when he was six months old. == Life and career == He was born in Aliquippa, Pennsylvania. The amputations took place in two stages. The first amputation surgery took Easterday's shin bones, which were used to replace his missing spinal column. At the time of Easterday's first amputation surgery he was only expected to live six months to one year. At six months of age, Easterday underwent a second and final amputation...

The Man with Half a Body - Paternity Test

2:40 AM

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> Two types of Russians in 2022.
- Attack!
- Panic attack!

:D

We never retreat

3:23 AM

4:13 AM

Winter snow by Polish surrealist Jacek Yerka

4:42 AM

@CowperKettle That's a very helpful thing for the Russian psychiatrists to do. :-)

5:11 AM

@FaheemMitha Yes, I'm grateful for it

> This is Vladimir Karamurza, a currently imprisoned Russian politician. He returned to Russia to oppose the Special Operation, even after two assassination attempts by the FSB.

Ever since the assassination attempts he has been looking unhealthy.

He was poisoned.

5:26 AM

This is from yesterday's state-organised rally in Red Square. Remember, nothing gets said at these without approval from the top

5:53 AM

Russians waiting to cross into Estonia.

Xanne

7:20 AM

Wordle 470 3/6

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Get iodine tablets before there’s a run on them.

jlliagre

9:15 AM

#Worldle #254 2/6 (100%)
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#globle

9:33 AM

@Xanne I have them plenty

The Urals is such a militarized region, that in case of a nuclear war I'm afraid that I'll be dead anyway

There are military plants all around.

10:48 AM

Iran: Fifa called on to ban country from World Cup over women's rights

11:24 AM

Putten raid

The Putten raid (Dutch: Razzia van Putten) was a civilian raid conducted by Nazi Germany in occupied Netherlands during the Second World War. On 1 October 1944, a total of 602 men – almost the entire male population of the village – were taken from Putten, in the central Netherlands, and deported to various concentration camps inside Germany. Only 48 returned at the end of the war. The raid was carried out as a reprisal for a Dutch resistance attack on a vehicle carrying personnel from the Wehrmacht. == Background == On the night of 30 September-1 October 1944, a car carrying two officers and two...

12:06 PM

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#globle

Wordle 470 5/6

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> Lying on the couch of the barracks of the Preobrazhensky Regiment near the Tauride Palace reading a book by Haldane, he was alerted to the events going on outside when a stray bullet shot through the window.

I wonder who was that Haldane, in 1917.

Fedor Linde

Fedor Fedorovich Linde (Russian: Фёдор Линде; German: Friedrich Linde; 9 February 1881 – 21 August 1917) was a Russian revolutionary and political commissar. He played an "unsung but crucial role" in turning the tide of the February Revolution, in the words of historian Orlando Figes.He was a sergeant in the Finland Regiment. For his role in leading a demonstration against Pavel Milyukov, he was sent as a commissar to the Russian Army on the front by the Soviet. Here he became well known for convincing revolutionary units to continue fighting. Linde was killed trying to convince a group of soldiers...

J. B. S. Haldane was too young then

12:29 PM

@CowperKettle I wonder why they always transliterate Фёдор as Fedor, not Fyodor.

@Robusto For simplicity's sake

So it's simpler to get it wrong?

Yes

Like Moscow instead of Moskva

And Cheops instead of Khufu

Yeah, I have a problem with those, too. ^_^

The Egyptian ones are probably due to the Greek influence, though.

Pyramid is a Greek word, as is obelisk.

I suppose "influence" is a mild word for what effect the Ptolemies had on Egypt.

1:12 PM

@si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck I'm so glad they're as diligent as ever when it comes to punishing Iranians to feel morally superior

Воплі Відоплясова - Галю, приходь! (наживо зі Франції)

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(I personally couldn't care less about football BTW)

AC/DC "Highway to Hell", but in Ukrainian. They actually sing Galuy, prihod' (come to me, Galya /a female name/)

@Robusto that protesters think their hatred of the regime is enough reason to protest is worrying once one of the later protests has a chance of achieving change. Most people don't fight for freedom, they fight for themselves, like back in 1979. Nonetheless, the protests are too early and disorganized to be usefully distinguished from one another.

There is always a chance that brave people will lead people, teach people what to be on the lookout for and what to demand and how.

@M.A.R. I wouldn't want to hang from a rope until that happens.

1:26 PM

Maybe it's more accurate and less judgmental to say the protests have a strong aura of desperation about them. People aren't fighting back because they feel strong, or to get stronger. They're fighting back because they feel weak.

Many young people assume there's no future for them unless they manage to emigrate

And I'm not sure an Ir*nian immigrant in Turk*y or Cypr*s has earned their ticket to paradise (the asterisks are so this damn thing gets posted)

@M.A.R. Yeah, that's pretty sad, and understandably fosters desperation.

1:52 PM

@M.A.R. Er, it didn't get posted without the asterisks?

@FaheemMitha There's some kind of censoring filter.

@Robusto That's pretty weird. Why place names?

They don't want people talking about certain topics, I guess.

3:02 PM

Word of the day: to unass

unass

Verb: unass (third-person singular simple present unasses, present participle unassing, simple past and past participle unassed)

(US military slang, transitive) To get out of (a vehicle or building).
2005, Herman Flora, Miz Suzie's Boy (page 248)
We “unassed” the barracks and slept outside on the lawn the remainder of the night.

3:30 PM

> Novi hominem tanquam te: his humour is lofty, his
discourse peremptory, his tongue filed, his eye
ambitious, his gait majestical, and his general
behavior vain, ridiculous, and thrasonical. He is
too picked, too spruce, too affected, too odd, as it
were, too peregrinate, as I may call it.

I find Shakespeare's spruce to mean spry a curious thing.

> 2013 Guardian (Nexis) 30 Apr. 34 George Benjamin's conducting is much like the music he composes: spruce, fastidious, bristling with compact energy and clean gestures.

Or here, in Couper:

> His mither grain’t—the auld black cat
Litter’t a tappit hen,
Wi’ yellow spurs lang on her heels,
And spruce she stappit ben:

That's the fourth stanza from his Macguldrochiana, Canto I.

Which begins:

> Macguldroch was his parent’s son,
His parent’s son was he;
He cam na to the warld unsought,
As Elsbet whisper’t she.

Three tomonths dark in durance close,
He kicked and he flang;
Whare ware ye, mighty Science, then,
Your son enthrall’t sae lang?

Strange signs and wonders mark’d his birth,
About the forty five,
Whan heads o’ lords and gentlemen,
Best on a spike could thrive.

A tomonth is a twelvemonth, a year.

His in durance close reminds me of being held in durance vile.

It should have been called the Ballad of the Bonny Ham.

> Now ellritch din, and screamin’ yells,
Through a’ the castle rang;
And hungry wames in Rino’s lugs
Their left han’t blissin’s sang.

We ruefu’ face, and hirplin trott,
Gash Mistress Jelly cam
Fast through the passage, chirmin’ sair,
Alas! my bacon ham.

My bacon ham, my table’s pride
Th’unseely tyke has ta’en;
O Maister Guldroch! speed thy fit,
Or a’ our dinner’s gane.

Och! Och! my ham, by bonny ham,
Lang beam’t thou in my ee;
Wha was’t that cur’d thy bonny hip,
Ah, wha was it but me!

I'm thinking that the Gash Mistress Jelly cam is some goth porn site. :)

If one were sprucely dressed, they would be "smartly" dressed.

> Of a person, or his or her clothing or appearance: smart, neat, dapper, attractive.

Oh that's the one that Shakespeare meant. Not the spry one, the smart=dapper one.

You can read the whole thing here. It's Couper's Poetry, chiefly in the Scottish language from 1804. In includes his Macguldrochiana in Two Cantos, which I've been citing.

You'll likely need a Scots dictionary like this one to help you read it, though.

Where dsl = Dictionary of the Scots Language.

Or: Dictionars o the Scots Leid.

4:25 PM

@FaheemMitha yeah sometimes it does that. I dunno which of the three country names caused it, I changed them all.

Evidently a stupid filter, if you can circumvent it this easily

4:40 PM

@M.A.R. I've never come across this kind of thing, so I was surprised.

6:56 PM

I recently subscribed to the OED for a month. If that's not the oldest bunch of irrelevant crap I've ever seen. I actually thought I must've clicked an archaic tab or something. I still think I must've subscribed to the wrong thing.

@HippoSawrUs Your what hurts?

@tchrist sawr-saw-Urban Dictionary. My references are hurting, but mostly the OED.

I see you don't know that idiom.

@HippoSawrUs urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=your%20what%20hurts%3F

@tchrist Yeah, I just made up something, like I always do, then cite WordHippo and Thesaurus.com.

You have a popular username.

7:14 PM

@tchrist I tried to be a WordPanther but moved and lost my log-in info, so I'm a hippo now. By the way, the OED says that shut up means to close a wardrobe in Naria. Probably.

I haven't been to Narnia lately.

Yes, Narnia, not *Naria

I think I sold that book and literature guide. I'm not sure.

Do you run a large shop?

We generally sell them used for more than we pay for them new b/c many don't have a teacher/homeschool store in their area.

@tchrist No, we just bought a lot of workbooks and guides, way too many, but my son was only interested in Harry Potter, Lemony Snicket, and Calvin & Hobbes. That's about it.

paid, not *pay, I guess, or it doesn't matter

7:32 PM

I'm glad he likes to read.

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7:56 PM

Iran

Turkey

Cyprus

Iranian?

@Robusto where's the censorship?

I think China has something similar.

Censorship wise, I mean.

برای این همه شعارهای توخالی

I don't think that SE has a geopolitical censor. It might have a profanity or toxicity -monitor- that then alerts some mod or Smokefilter or something like that.

I think the concern is not getting messages through (stopping communication) but searching and finding stuff.

Mar 22, 2013 at 1:54, by Mitch

I've said too much already.

Discord has a lot less censorship rules.

Are there rules here?

well

there's automated things, and then there's people/mods choosing to have a rule and enforcing it, and then there's just things that people say we should do and then no one listens.

Like putting profanity in titles is a behavior that mods will know to change, and putting profanity in quotes in the body of a question or answer is totally allowed. That's not automated but it is enforced.

8:12 PM

Profanity is rampant on Discord.

@si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck probably depends on the channel

Yup.

@si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck any good channels to follow?

Nah, I only go there for the Raiders fan trash talk.

@si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck well, there are really only two emotions in sports talk, profanity

and

um

There is only one emotion in sports talk and that is profanity

8:15 PM

The homotopy theory chatroom moved there.

Homotopy Theory

A room for anyone interested in homotopy theory, or any nearby...

@M.A.R. a better line is برای غیرتکراری

@si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck !) Did that just happen? 2) did you hang out there (or on the discord channel)

It happened just around the beginning of the pandemic.

The pandemic shifted the politics of MO.

8:30 PM

@Mitch Outgoing, I think.

@si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck weird

@Robusto But why didn't it stop mine then?

You don't live in Iran.

Are ou saying blanket internet message text from Iran mentioning Iran?

I don't get it.

That would prevent, say, newscasts from Iran to outside Iran, right?

@si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck DO you know the link?

@Mitch Link to what?

@si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck To what you mentioned, the SO Homotopy theory chat on discord.

8:38 PM

The algebraic topology channel.

Yes

the link

to that

@Robusto 4 letter word, starts with 'PE' and...

cripes, once you figure it out it seems so stupid.

Your intuition doesn't provide it, and so you systematically go through legal English combinations (with trying some not exactly legal ones because you know how words are).

It's like...

It's like the analysis of...

bear with me...

It's like the analysis of Charles Windsor's accent... saying exactly why phonologically it sounds RP, looking at exactly those vowels and the mergers and splits and mono- or di- phthongizations and saying 'This collection of features = RP (of a certain kind)'...

but comparing that with jut listening to him say a paragraph and you're like 'Oh that's RP' abd not knowing why.

So what I'm saying is

@Mitch here

What I'm saying is that Spelling Bee is just like figuring out what accent Charles has.

@si-LV-er_and_b-LA-ck Nice. Thanks. That looks like a good place for meaningful discussion. I've always wondered if there's a similar place for linguistics. How did you find it? Was there a discussion in that MO chat and a link and then everybody escaped?

9:06 PM

> Petreaus said that he had not spoken to national security adviser Jake Sullivan on the likely US response to nuclear escalation from Russia, which administration officials have said has been repeatedly communicated to Moscow.

He told ABC News: “Just to give you a hypothetical, we would respond by leading a Nato – a collective – effort that would take out every Russian conventional force that we can see and identify on the battlefield in Ukraine and also in Crimea and every ship in the Black sea.”

Sigh. I wish people would not talk like that.

9:43 PM

The world would be a better place if people would treat it as a learning experience instead of as an invitation for peeving every time their predictive parsers break just because somebody chooses some word other to what they'd predicted would be chosen next.

I guess it's because they find it too hard to admit to having bugs in their own programming.