English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Robusto

00:02

> I solved Redactle Unlimited in 38 guesses with an accuracy of 81.58% and a time of 00:22:21. Play at redactle-unlimited.com

That was tantalizing. I kept getting correct guesses, but nothing that put it together until I got the three-letter word in the title.

I'm amazed I didn't think of that word 30 guesses earlier.

CowperKettle

01:29

> Commenting on the difficult situation, two days after news hit Paris of Emperor Napoleon's III capture, his wife said "why didn’t he kill himself?"

> Eugénie resisted his advances prior to marriage. She was coached by her mother and her friend, Prosper Mérimée. "What is the road to your heart?" Napoleon demanded to know. "Through the chapel, Sire," she answered. Yet, after marriage, it took not long for him to stray as Eugénie found sex with him "disgusting".

Cerberus

How great was the difference in age?

forest

@Cerberus 27 when they married.

Cerberus

And how old was she then?

forest

She was born in 1826 and married in 1853.

No I mean she was 27 years old.

Cerberus

OK.

forest

01:41

Oh, age difference.

He was born 1808, so 18 year difference.

Cerberus

Could have been worse, then.

27 and 45 is not so bad.

forest

For the time, it was actually pretty good.

Cerberus

Could have been 17 and 65.

Although I suspect that would have been frowned upon by the middle of the 19th century.

forest

Well, being empress must've been pretty good. Not so much after the fall of the empire, though...

Cerberus

I praesume she also had a pretty good life before that time.

She was probably the daughter of a monarch.

Or perhaps not.

But probably.

CowperKettle

01:45

There was no viagra, and the Emperor overindulged on food and cigarettes, and underindulged on sports.

I mean sildenafil.

In Russia, Viagra is astronomically expensive, while generic sildenafil is cheap.

Once is a pharmacy queue there was a fat big man with his girlfiend/wife, and they were bying Viagra. Behind them, three girls, and they giggled. I was too shy to tell him to buy generic sildenafil instead, so the poor guy spent a fortune.

Cerberus

Hmm won't doctors tell them this?

> The marriage had come after considerable activity concerning who would make a suitable match, often toward titled royals and with an eye to foreign policy. The final choice was opposed in many quarters. Eugénie was considered of too little social standing by some.[23][24] In the United Kingdom, The Times made light of the latter concern, emphasizing that the parvenu Bonapartes were marrying into Grandees and one of the most important established houses in the peerage of Spain...

Yeah, so it was expected by some that Napoleon should marry a royal princess.

While they only married once he had become emperor, he met her while still only a president.

Mitch

@Robusto 🎉

Cerberus

And he chose her himself, because he liked her, not for dynastic profit.

Mitch

So romantic

Cerberus

I don't know why he liked her...

Perhaps he liked her bosom.

CowperKettle

01:57

The wife of Nicholas II once wrote to him "I have trousers on me, unseen", meaning that she can handle the situation in St. Petersburg with an iron hand while he is at the front.

But the February revolution followed.

Mitch

🎉

CowperKettle

Alexandra Feodorovna (Alix of Hesse)

Alexandra Feodorovna (6 June [O.S. 25 May] 1872 – 17 July 1918), Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine at birth, was the Empress of Russia as the consort of Emperor Nicholas II from their marriage on 26 November [O.S. 14 November] 1894 until his forced abdication on 15 March [O.S. 2 March] 1917. She was the last empress consort of Russia. A favourite granddaughter of Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom, she was, like her grandmother, one of the most famous royal carriers of haemophilia and bore a haemophiliac heir, Alexei Nikolaevich, Tsarevich of Russia. Her reputation for encouraging her husband...

Mitch

> Died 17 July 1918 (aged 46) Ipatiev House, Yekaterinburg

Is that a well known historical spot in town?

CowperKettle

Yes. Due to the heavy fog, I cannot see the spot now.

Mitch

oh

summer is over

CowperKettle

02:01

There's a big cathedral visible from my window

Cerberus

Why did she die there?

Mitch

I don't think it was her choice

CowperKettle

She was shot, along with the whole family and servants.

Cerberus

Why were they shot so far from the capital?

Mitch

Oh that's awful... the servants don't deserve that!

Cerberus

02:02

And why didn't the gold sown into their clothes protect them from the bullets?

CowperKettle

Lenin and Sverdlov ordered them to be "dispatched"

Mitch

Not that anybody does

@Cerberus I'm pretty sure there's some physical explanatoin

Cerberus

@Mitch Yeah, it's terrible, imagine leaving the inner city.

@Mitch Legend has it that this gold did protect them for a moment.

Mitch

@Cerberus Exactly. I mean the pay was probably better than what they could get before, but still

CowperKettle

They were initially brought closer to Moscow, from Tobolsk to Yekaterinburg. But in Yekaterinburg, the population and the local Bolshevik authorities were much more aggressive.

Cerberus

02:03

So they had to be shot up close in the head or something.

Mitch

@Cerberus That moment could be measured in nanoseconds?

CowperKettle

The UK at first extended an invitation to the family in the spring of 1917, but then mysteriously withdrew the invitation, sealing their fate.

I mean the British royal family.

Cerberus

@Mitch The legend says they survived the first salvo.

Would the Soviets have let them to to Britain?

CowperKettle

No, but up to October 1917, there was still time.

Mitch

@Cerberus Magic for the win!

CowperKettle

02:05

Had not the UK withdrew the invitation, the royal family would have been saved.

Cerberus

@CowperKettle Oh, between abdication and full control by the Soviets?

Mitch

so are you saying it would have worked for one shot?

CowperKettle

@Cerberus Yes

Cerberus

I have forgotten how the revolution happened exactly.

CowperKettle

Between February and October 1917

Cerberus

02:06

But it would make sense for there to be such a period.

CowperKettle

The Provisional Government ruled the whole summer

Mitch

who was that interim guy, Kamenev?

Kamen... something?

Cerberus

@Mitch I imagine it is theoretically possible for a kind of golden chainmail to protect vital organs from a couple of bullets at range.

Mitch

Kamensky?

Cerberus

Especially if many soldiers misfired deliberately.

@Mitch Rings a vague bell.

A tiny one, perhaps handled by an elf.

Mitch

02:07

Gold would not be my first choice, if in fact I were in the choosing position.

Cerberus

And I don't mean a Tolkienesque elf, but a traditional, tiny one.

@Mitch Perhaps gold with lots of gems.

Just as much jewellery and could be sown into their huge dresses.

Mitch

Oh yeah, Tolkien ruined the whole concept of elves.

Cerberus

He did.

Mitch

They're like faeries

Cerberus

Well, ruined.

Changed.

Mitch

02:08

not some blond haired Vikings

Cerberus

Yeah, they were like fairies before Tolkien.

Perhaps Tolkien had watched one too many episode of Allo, Allo.

CowperKettle

@Mitch Kamenev was a famous communist leader, yes. Murdered in 1937

Mitch

He mad Vikings into Elves, Brits into Men, Shropshire lads into Hobbits and Saxons into Orcs

Tom Bombadil was a Druid?

and the Arabs were the Southern Tribes?

Cerberus

Helga.

CowperKettle

Stalin, Rykov, Kamenev, Zinoviev in 1925.

In 1938, there was only Stalin. He shot the rest.

Cerberus

02:12

Naturally.

Mitch

Not himself

he had someone else do it

CowperKettle

haha

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Mitch

Kerensky. The February to October Prime Minister

CowperKettle

Yes, we were taught that he wore a woman's dress to run away. When I grew up, I learned it was bullshit, and he was brave and was, surprise, a social-revolutionary

Mitch

The one who was into liberalization and freedom of speech and not really into shooting his friends.

CowperKettle

02:17

Millions of Russians go along with all kinds of twisted stuff in their minds about their history.

My relative told me several times that "But the Revolution led to some advances, like pensions and housing. The West followed the USSR", and each time I reminded him that pensions and workers' housing were invented in 1850 to 1880 in Germany and the UK.

Cerberus

@Mitch I'm sure you know a revolution eats her own children.

@CowperKettle Yeah, followed is a bit much.

Though perhaps there were some things that the West took from the Soviet Union?

@CowperKettle Did you know Allo, Allo?

CowperKettle

@Cerberus No, I just used Google Lens on the photo of the scantily clad swastika-speckled lady

Cerberus

Ah, OK.

CowperKettle

Looks like a good TV series

Cerberus

It is fun.

Helga could serve as an example to Tolkien's elves.

Mitch

02:24

@Cerberus 'their' own? The revolutionists may go overboard in removing their nearby competitors but I wouldn't call then their own.

Cerberus

I'm not sure what you mean.

Mitch

Stalin wan't the revolution, he was just one very particularly paranoia'd guy.

Cerberus

Revolution is feminine singular.

CowperKettle

I took my last tablet of milnacipran yesterday, and my first of escitalopram today. Each time I'm afriad I would have serotonin syndrome from switching too quickly, but I think one must really gorge on SSRIs and SNRIs to get serotonin syndrome.

Cerberus

You could use its if you clang to English mundanity.

Mitch

02:26

If anybody here clangs like that it's me

Cerberus

> He believed the French had given into the force of things, but in doing so had debased the culture of the whole of Europe. It is in this widely circulated essay that he coined the adage "like Saturn, the Revolution devours its children,"[4] which originally appeared as "A l'exemple de Saturne, la révolution dévore ses enfants".[5][6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Mallet_du_Pan

I'm sure you've heard this.

Mitch

I'm going through a list in my head of all the revolutions (the ones I can think of) and I can't match any of them with 'eating their own' except maybe the French revolution?

and Robespierre? were there others along with Robespierre that 'went too far'?

@Cerberus Oh. That must have been what I was vaguely badly remembering.

Cerberus

What it means is that a revolution is organised by people who want to get rid of the old régime and reform the government into something enlightened.

But what happens next is always that, soon after the revolution, radicals take over and destroy the ideals behind the revolution.

France, Russia, Iran.

Mitch

OK

I was thinking the metaphor was more that within the group of first radicals, some of them turn and remove those radicals that are not radical enough.

Cerberus

Well, sort of, but the first revolutionaries are not radicals.

They are moderates.

Mitch

02:32

which doesn't apply to Russia or Iran. For those two there were multiple separate groups, and eventually one won out.

@Cerberus oh

wait

In Russia and Iran?

Cerberus

Kamenev?

Mitch

oh

ok

Cerberus

The more radical Soviets took control after the Emperor had been dethroned, not before, didn't they?

Mitch

and Iran it was Shapur Bakhtiar, the more moderate PM

Cerberus

I don't remember, but you're no doubt right.

Mitch

02:34

and then the mullahs came in and ruined everything.

Cerberus

Yeah.

Mitch

Almost as badly as Tolien ruined elves for little kids everywhere

Cerberus

Most of the people who took part in the Iranian revolution probably didn't want the radical régime that took control some time later.

Almost.

Mitch

@Cerberus I vaguely remember that

Cerberus

More than I.

Mitch

02:36

I think the Americans and British were behind the scenes maneuvering forr Khomeini, because the other group were communists. (is that right @M.A.R.?)

I don't think there was internal eating going on with the Americans in the 1770's

Cerberus

@Mitch Hmm that would be extra interesting.

@Mitch Well, that wasn't a revolution so much as a revolt.

Mitch

@Cerberus I'm not sure what that means

Cerberus

A regional movement for independence, as opposed to a movement to topple the central government.

Those usually have different dynamics.

The mothers are eaten by revolutionaries, not rebels.

Mitch

@Cerberus OK

so a revolt is just a regional conflict?

Ipatiev House

Ipatiev House (Russian: Дом Ипатьева) was a merchant's house in Yekaterinburg (later renamed Sverdlovsk in 1924, renamed back to Yekaterinburg in 1991) where the former Emperor Nicholas II of Russia (1868–1918, reigned 1894–1917), his family, and members of his household were murdered in July 1918 following the Bolshevik Revolution. Its name is identical to that of the Ipatiev Monastery in Kostroma, from where the Romanovs came to the throne. As an act for the 60th anniversary of the Russian Revolutions, it was demolished in 1977 by orders of the Politburo of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union...

Cerberus

@Mitch Uhmm perhaps that word was ambiguous.

Mitch

02:47

@CowperKettle so the cathedral was built on the spot where the Ipatiev house used to be?

Cerberus

But what happened in America wasn't a revolution, was it?

Mitch

or a revolution is a successful coup?

Cerberus

In the modern sense.

It was a regional movement for independence, as opposed to a movement to topple the central government.

Mitch

@Cerberus I'm just gong by the word they use, not an analysis of definitions and taxonomy

@Cerberus so mexican and south american independences were revolts not revolutions?

CowperKettle

@Mitch YEs

Cerberus

02:50

@Mitch What I'm trying to say is that the dynamics of a true revolution do not apply to the American situation, because it wasn't a broad movement to topple the central government.

Mitch

And France and China and Russia -are- revolutions

Cerberus

@Mitch Yes, probably.

@Mitch Yes.

Mitch

@Cerberus got it. It holds water, but I've never heard that before.

Cerberus

I think the Glorious Revolution wasn't really a revolution either.

Mitch

revolution has a better ring to it though

sounds fancier

Cerberus

02:51

Nor is the revolution of heavenly bodies.

Mitch

@Cerberus same government different leaders?

Cerberus

The meaning of the word has probably become more specific since then.

@Mitch Yeah, kind of?

Or perhaps it was a very, very limited, very mild revolution.

Mitch

bloodless even?

Cerberus

I think mostly?

Mitch

haha that's the other label for it

in English

Cerberus

02:53

Recently in Ukraine, Egypt, etc.: those were revolutions.

In Ukraine and Georgia, it went surprisingly well.

Mitch

Egypt recently?

Cerberus

In the Islamic countries, though, I think there was much eatery of mothers.

Mitch

I thought that was back in the 30's against the Ottomans?

Cerberus

Well, 2010, or when was it?

The revolutions of the Arab Spring.

Mitch

Morsi to Sisi? I can't remember what happened

Cerberus

02:54

Mubarak was dethroned in the revolution.

Mitch

oh. Mubarak to Morsi

Cerberus

Morsi came to power via elections, but he was a kind of radical.

Then the army took back power and restored things to Mubarak's time.

Mitch

A failed revolution

Cerberus

Yeah.

Mitch

or a thermidorean reaction?

CowperKettle

02:56

Mohamed Morsi

Mohamed Mohamed Morsi Eissa al-Ayyat (; Arabic: محمد محمد مرسي عيسى العياط IPA: [mæˈħæmmæd ˈmoɾsi ˈʕiːsæ (ʔe)l.ʕɑjˈjɑːtˤ]; 8 August 1951 – 17 June 2019) was an Egyptian politician and engineer who served as the fifth president of Egypt, from 30 June 2012 to 3 July 2013, when General Abdel Fattah el-Sisi removed him from office in a coup d'état after protests in June. An Islamist affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood organisation, Morsi led the Freedom and Justice Party from 2011 to 2012. Morsi was born in El Adwah, Sharqia Governorate before studying metallurgical engineering at Cairo University...

Mitch

Thermidorean always sound like a coffee machine to me.

Cerberus

They usually fail one way or the other: either radicals come to power and hold it, or the old guard regains it.

Mitch

@Cerberus Like in Russia

they've been sort of leapfrogging each other

Cerberus

Mmm I would say that is different.

Radicals gained power and held it for a long time.

And Putin has not restored the Empire and all its stuff.

Mitch

so far

Cerberus

02:58

I would say he is a new phase, not a return to 1916.

Mitch

return to 1989

Cerberus

When the old guard regains power, it should happen within a couple of years, or they will be too late and things have changed too much.

@Mitch Oh, I wouldn't say that either?

He is not reintroducing communism.

Mitch

that seems to be the superficial feeling that Putin wants things back in the USSR

Cerberus

Some people from the KGB are in power.

@Mitch Only some things.

Mitch

the good things

Cerberus

03:00

If you say so.

At least Napoleon reinstituted the Monarchy.

The Restoration in France was closer to how things had been than what Putin is doing.

Mitch

they want to keep the jeans and cars and McD's but bring back the sense of pride

gotta go, I feel like I have sand in my eyes.

wait

Cerberus

Bourbon Restoration in France

The Bourbon Restoration was the period of French history during which the House of Bourbon returned to power after the first fall of Napoleon on 3 May 1814. Briefly interrupted by the Hundred Days War in 1815, the Restoration lasted until the July Revolution of 26 July 1830. Louis XVIII and Charles X, brothers of the executed king Louis XVI, successively mounted the throne and instituted a conservative government intended to restore the proprieties, if not all the institutions, of the Ancien Régime. Exiled supporters of the monarchy returned to France but were unable to reverse most of the changes...

Mitch

is that where that saying comes from?

Cerberus

I hope you don't, it's terrible for your cornea.

Although dried-up bits of tear fluid can be hard, they will be nowhere near as hard as sand.

Mitch

wait...when was Nap III? and all the revolutions of 1848?

yes yes I know it was in 1848

but

anyway I already have enough wiki tabs open that I need to read.

later dude

CowperKettle

03:04

@Mitch Famous last words. Farewell

Cerberus

@Mitch Sleep.

CowperKettle

03:24

Word of the day: prolate (elongated at the poles)

> A cigar is a prolate spheroid.

Prolatarians of the world, unite!

CowperKettle

05:03

> The heights by great men reached and kept
Were not attained by sudden flight,
But they, while their companions slept,
Were toiling upward in the night.
(Longfellow)

CowperKettle

06:09

Xanne

07:36

Wordle 440 4/6

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CowperKettle

Word of the hour: goldcrest

jlliagre

08:49

Wordle 440 4/6

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Robusto

11:46

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Robusto

12:04

Why the Soviet Computer Failed

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jlliagre

12:49

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Robusto

13:12

Terry Pratchett called it an anthropomorphic personification, referring to Death, not Science, but it works for any Big Abstraction. — John Lawler Aug 2 at 21:39

I guess Lawler gets a pass for answering in a comment?

CowperKettle

@Robusto Yes, quite interesting

What do you call the outline maps given to school kids during geography lessons for painting over (to indicate ore deposits, population densities, climate, political regimes etc)?

Robusto

We called them "product maps" when I was in primary school, but I'm not sure if that is universal.

CowperKettle

They are blank, and you need to paint them over, and then give to the teacher to be graded

Robusto

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CowperKettle

They are sold in sets, like Contour Maps, 6th Grade (above)

Robusto

13:24

> The first religion was founded when the first scoundrel met the first fool.

COLOUR WORDS: The astounding origins of "blue", "black", "orange", "red" & other colors

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CowperKettle

Haha, it's not the real Pravda

It's Pionerskaya Pravda, the newspaper for school-aged children.

I received one.

But overall, a good video.

Robusto

13:45

At ~11:24 in the "Word Origins" video he mispronounces an Old English word. Surprising, since he has done so many others just fine.

M.A.R.

@Cerberus at least twice in the past 200 years actually in Iran

Cerberus

@M.A.R. Right, though wasn't the one that ended Mossadegh more like a coup d'état than a revolution?

M.A.R.

@Cerberus not Mosaddegh, Mashroote

Cerberus

Hmm that name I do not remember.

M.A.R.

Erm, the one where we initially started government reform, at the end of Qajar dynasty

Wikipedia calls it the Persian Constitutional Revolution

It started when Mohammad Ali Shah shelled the Majles (i.e. the senate) building

Then people rioted, cities were besieged, and eventually he was forced to accept a constitutional reform that greatly limited a king's power

Mitch

13:56

@Robusto that's all he does

Cerberus

Are you saying it, too, resulted in radicals seizing power?

Mitch

@M.A.R. when was that? That wasn't the 30's was it?

M.A.R.

@Mitch around 1290 H.S., which would be around 1910, I think

@Mitch well, it's kinda complicated. It was a pretty chaotic time, so "power" was handed down several times, and this chaos led to Reza Khan's eventual victory

The original rebels that defeated the monarchy were tracked down by state troops and gunned down, because they refused to be disarmed

I'm not sure though that they were demanding reform or a theocracy

Atabak Park Incident

The Atabak Park Incident (Persian:واقعه باغ اتابک) was a conflict that led to the death of 300 rebels. It took place on July 20, 1910. Rebels descended upon Atabak Garden in Tehran to bid farewell to Sattar Khan and Baqir Khan who were planning to return to Tabriz. The government's goal was to control Azerbaijan and disarm the Mujahideen in Tabriz under the pretext of celebrating Sattar Khan and Baqir Khan. Atabak Garden (which became the Russian Embassy) was allocated to Sattar Khan and his companions and Eshrat Abad to Baqir Khan and his companions. After a few days, they settled in the designated...

CowperKettle

14:30

1908 bombardment of the Majlis

The 1908 bombardment of the Majlis of Iran took place on 23 June 1908 in Tehran, during the Iranian Constitutional Revolution, when the Persian Cossack forces, commanded by Vladimir Liakhov and the other Russian officers, bombarded and by that suppressed the Iranian parliament, the Majlis. == History == Mohammad Ali Shah Qajar, the Shah of Persia, who ascended the throne in January 1907 was against the constitution of 1906 ratified during regime of his father Mozzafar-al-Din Shah. After his ascension, in August 1907 an Anglo-Russian agreement divided Iran into a Russian zone in the North, a British...

> Colonel Liakhov and his forces served the Shah until July 1909, when the Shah abdicated and fled to Russia

Haha, just like Ukraine's corrupt Russian-controlled president fled to Russia in 2014

He fled and settled in the city of Rostov in the south of Russia

After that, Ukrainians in their internal political wrangles started saying that this or that politician should go to Rostov.

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They even made a song in which Zelensky buys a ticket to Rostov.

That was just after he became President.

The rock group removed the video from their official channel after 24 Feb.

A nice Ukrainian rock group, by the way, headed by a Ukrainian poet Sergey Zhadan

I loved to run listening to their Troeshina song, named after a city district in Kiev.

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CowperKettle

15:17

> Nelly Pitteloud

Do they pronounce the final D in French in this name?

According to Forvo, yes: howtopronounce.com/french/pitteloud

According to a Wikipedia page on French to Russian transcription, no.

CowperKettle

15:32

Alexey Navalny's latest photo in jail.

He's been through punitive confinement for petty "violations" of local instructions.

ШИЗО (SHIZO), or punitive confinement, is a jail inside a jail. A single cell with strict conditions.

Cerberus

He does not look good.

Is he really allowed to communicate with the outside world?

I see reports about 'his' messages on Twitter on a regular basis?

SmokeDetector

16:03

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body, potentially bad ns for domain in body, potentially bad keyword in body (97): Difficulty of homework‭ by Maks Romanov‭ on english.SE

CowperKettle

16:32

@Cerberus Probably there is some way

A therapy found to improve cognitive function in patients with Down syndrome

Cerberus

@CowperKettle I'm surprised they allow that.

CowperKettle

I remember first seeing a Down syndrome patient in my childhood. He used to walk down the Prospect Mira street and smile.

I was afraid.

I first saw him somewhere over here google.com/maps/@63.2023993,75.4387957,3a,75y,349.55h,90.06t/…

It's great that they have come up with some experimental treatment

Someone is keeping a tiny garden near my former porch.

Cute.

Mitch

18:57

@CowperKettle I would not expect to pronounce a word final 'd' in French. But that link sounds authentic.

jlliagre

21:02

@CowerKettle Surnames pronunciations are freer than regular nouns but pronouncing the D in Pitteloud is not realistic. I pronounce it /pitəlu/ or /pitlu/ (the latter is what I can hear here @ 6'25"). An ending D is always "mute" in French first and last names and with most words. Only foreign ones might have it pronounced like bled, caïd, djhad, fast-food, fjord, lord, raid, tweed, weekend. The only exception I can think of is sud.

Gérald too.

jlliagre

21:28

Alfred, Archibald, Donald, Fred, Harald, Mohammed, Rachid, Ronald, Romuald...

jlliagre

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The oldest known spelling of that Valaisan surname is Peytellus in 1329.

Ce patronyme a pris différentes formes au fil du temps: "Peyttelus", "Pittelo", "Pittelod", "Pittolod", "Pitteloz", "Pitteloup". Cette famille de Vex et des Agettes, connue depuis 1329 avec "Peytellus", métral de Tourbillon, a donné bon nombre de magistrats et d'ecclésiastiques. Plusieurs d'entre eux ont détenu la métralie épiscopale des Agettes entre 1557 et environ 1790. Elle a essaimé à Nendaz, Sierre, Lens et dans le canton de Vaud. nendaz.org/commune/familles-bourgeoises.html

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