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Or: I am asking £100 a week for rent.
Yeah, so many options!
I'm not sure why the sentence doesn't make sense the way it is.
I would say rent requires a praeposition.
I would concur.
00:45
There's nothing wrong with the way you had it.
but, "requires" is a bit too strong
I am asking £100 a week rent is unremarkable and probably preferred in most casual uses.
Perhaps that is an American colloquialism, then?
It is certainly heard in America, but I have heard similar deletions in British English as well.
Or maybe it's just informal?
00:48
Yes. But most things are informal these days.
I mean, the context of an advertisement is where you would usually find this.
Where nobody cares about language, neither writers nor readers.
And it is short.
Yes.
So maybe I wouldn't notice.
It would seem a little odd, or even foreign, if the language were too stilted.
Yeah, prepositions make people think.
make force
*to
00:53
Haha.
01:14
@FaheemMitha it's true they've occasionally been scapegoats, I mean, despite the aphorisms one very evil man is much less scarier than several slightly bad men
BUT there's a reason they become scapegoats. They provide ample evidence of being a capable and talented one.
And that's my polite way of saying starts swearing in foreign language
The more guttural the better
@M.A.R. Hitler a scapegoat, really?
Si le Roi le savait?
@Cerberus occasionally. I mean, people don't even know about most of his generals here. How much would he have accomplished if there weren't any Himmlers and Goerings etc etc.?
You are saying Hitler is unjustly blame for something one of his generals did?
When people start wondering how on Earth he was capable of such evil, IMHO they're often misguided, because 1) he was a person with the same biology as the rest of us yadda yadda, and 2) what gave this evil a way to manifest in the world was a system of likeminded people, not one person
Sure.
But that doesn't mean he wasn't evil.
01:29
@Cerberus not at all, I'm saying there should be more emphasis on how much more evil several people are capable of than one person
Nor that he didn't spend enormous energy organising and effecting a horrific system.
@M.A.R. I am not opposed to that.
But I think calling Hitler a scapegoat is a bit odd.
It suggests he is less to blame, less guilty.
Yeah it's a bit contrarian I suppose
You could argue he wasn't as important a factors are others portray him.
But if it wasn't provocative, it wouldn't have gotten the conversation going
Though I'm not sure I agree with that, it is a valid position in an historical debate.
@M.A.R. Tsk!
01:32
There were plenty of evil people to go around in that time and that country, but Hitler was no naif who was led on by the corruption of evil men.
I think Trump is a much weaker person, stupid, disorganised.
He attracted them, promoted them, and directed them to perform the Nazi monstrosityh.
@Cerberus Yes. But evil nonetheless.
But I'm not sure whether I'd call him a scapegoat for someone else.
I certainly don't think of him as a scapegoat.
@Robusto In some ways, yes.
01:34
In the ways that count.
@Cerberus I'm saying this from thousands of kilometers away but he looks like the sort of person that wouldn't do anything drastic. He has no Kampf, it's only about what his followers are capable of.
Weak, crazy figures can still be quite dangerous.
He could order a nuclear strike on Iran.
Who knows?
That's thousands of miles for the imperials in the chat
He's too chaotic to predict.
And he will do things that harmful to his own position without understanding it.
Much more so than, e.g., Putin will.
Hitler was also chaotic and irrational.
@M.A.R. It's why I called him incompetent. But incompetence doesn't negate evil intent just because the agency is flawed.
The fact is, Trump would and did do something drastic. He tried to overthrow a legal, fair election so that he could remain in power.
It's the kind of thing your leaders would find routine, I suspect.
02:20
This is a brilliant, brilliant video. It really opened my eyes. And my heart.
> Musicians are very fortunate people. In order to interpret music properly, we have to know three major things. We have to know emotionally what the composer is trying to convey; we can't just play with our feelings, so we have to understand intellectually everything on the printed page; and then the third thing is: that's not sufficient. We have to make a *physical* connection to everything that we feel and think.
And what *that* means is that we're working on our *person*, not just our talent, and that's what you take away from your practice sessions, so that everything that you learn th
@tchrist: You should watch this ^
It just came up on my feed, too.
 
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03:52
@FaheemMitha No, about Hitler it's quite clear, he wrote it out in Mein Kampf, the whole plan.
Trump.. I'm not sure he'll be able to self-organize to the extent of coming up with some long-term plan, like Hitler. He is a Twitter man.
Russia is reportedly burning off natural gas worth $10 million every day to avoid sealing gas deposits; based on satellite data.
If you seal a deposit, it may be much more expensive to reopen it later, and could be impossible at all.
Word of the day: lapping
> Russian astronaut, turning a bolt outside the International Space Station: "If you ever meet the man who invented these bolts..."
Other astronaut: ".. Is he a good man or a bad man?..."
- "...Don't touch him. He's mine".
It's an actual recording from an extra-vehicular activity
04:35
@FaheemMitha I highly recommend this book: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_the_Third_Reich
You can easily find an audioversion
05:15
"[T]he course of German history ... made blind obedience to temporal rulers the highest virtue of Germanic man, and put a premium on servility."
"Disorders in Germany". A well-known internet meme.
05:34
Video of a brain subdural bleed being washed away during neurosurgery twitter.com/OGdukeneurosurg/status/1563268754372407296
 
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11:32
Rewrite HAHAHA
I'd rather they get a 50-year old IUPAC convention right instead.
 
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13:02
Hilarious.
@Cerberus would you happen to know what the formal grammatical name of these kinds of constructions are called? "represents" vs "represented by"; "denotes" vs "denoted by"; "assigns" vs "assigned by."
@user4539917 Hmm the former is a finite verb, the second is a past particle or simple past + preposition.
But I'm not sure what you're looking for.
You say "constructions": perhaps it would become clear if you gave me an example sentence?
A construction is normally something in context, or at least something consisting of several words.
13:17
@Cerberus A numerical expression represents a particular number. Vs. A particular number is represented by a numerical expression.
@user4539917 Ah, the former is active, the latter passive.
Active: the subject of the sentence is the entity that actually 'does' the main verb. The direct object is the thing to which it is being done.
Passive: the subject of the sentence is the thing to which the action is being done. The prepositional phrase "by X" is the entity that does the main verb.
@CowperKettle Hahaha.
You love puns, don't you?
iirc the "active" voice is preferred, correct?
@Cerberus When they show some art or erudition.
13:24
@user4539917 Well, the active voice is simpler, so it is easier to read. So you would only use the passive voice when you have a good reason to do so, in which case it is perfectly fine.
@Robusto Right, right.
Thanks for the clarification. @Cerberus
Good luck!
13:49
Why are hurricanes named after women? When they come, they're wet and wild, but when they leave they take your house and car.
@CowperKettle That joke was told in the film Traffic, c. 2000.
But hurricanes are not all named after women anymore. Now they alternate.
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14:12
@user4539917 depends. For example, in scientific articles there's a tendency towards using passive as a way to dissociate the researchers from their findings and to introduce an extra level of objectivity, while some guidelines recommend against that as it makes the text more ambiguous sometimes.
While such ambiguity may actually be preferred sometimes elsewhere in literature where concise wording is not a priority
And, of course, in everyday spoken English passive tends to gravitate towards more formal writing and using passive constructions may sound a bit pompous sometimes.
The passive voice is often used to distance the speaker/writer from ownership of problems. "Mistakes were made" is one way politicians and corporate spokespersons use to acknowledge error. Not "We made mistakes."
If legitimate and illegitimate are binary pairs, why shouldn't legitimize and illegitimize also be such?
14:34
They're not? I can't tell what's real anymore
Today's Spelling Bee puzzle (NYT) won't accept illegitimize, and neither does the spell checker in here.
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Tough time with this one today.
Without examples, you guys have completely lost me :(
1 hour ago, by Cerberus
You say "constructions": perhaps it would become clear if you gave me an example sentence?
We've lost him. Time of death: 19:37. Should have used some examples.
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It would have been so easy to save him, too. Alas!
14:38
Rest In Predicament?
Perplexity, actually
Perplexed in a complex plexiglass multiplexed universe?
Perhaps; but, I am perpetually perturbed...
That's not pertinent.
@user4539917 there you are
14:46
...without a concrete example that is pertinent I will pause.
I've also found that if one is confused about a response to a question, they can replace most of the confusing parts with "maybe"
Should I use passive? Research articles, maybe. Literary fiction, maybe. Spoken English, maybe. Politician, definitely.
or even "may be"?
It maybe may be "maybe"
to may be or not to maybe
that^ is the question we must actively answer passively
Now you're being passive-active
14:52
i apologize
39 mins ago, by Robusto
The passive voice is often used to distance the speaker/writer from ownership of problems. "Mistakes were made" is one way politicians and corporate spokespersons use to acknowledge error. Not "We made mistakes."
See? I gave examples.
would "A mistake was made." be passive?
turn that into active without adding more information
Is it "The making of a mistake"?
15:10
@user4539917 Yes.
Thanks.
@user4539917 that's a phrase, you need a verb to turn it into a sentence.
The beauty of "Mistakes were made." is you don't need to ask "by whom?"
The passive voice attributes a sort of agency to what is normally the direct object of an agent.
If you did know who they were that made the mistakes, you can convert the sentence to the active voice
@Robusto oh this. We were taught this during the Arabic course and it's kinda weird but also makes sense
@user4539917 "Mitch made mistakes." is what they tell learners is the active form of that.
I dunno if there's some linguistic objection to that
you're adding information
12 mins ago, by user4539917
turn that into active without adding more information
15:18
@M.A.R. And it's always @Mitch making the mistakes, isn't it?
@Robusto I'm fairly convinced he's a politician
the active voice seems to have more information bang to it
when spoken with the right intonation, of course
but, that's a whole separate issue
in a certain sense
16:05
> If you are not a slacker
Get a pack of good tobaccer
And send it to some Yankee soldier right away
Send on the old Bull Durham
And he will know you're for him
Because it is the makings of the U.S.A.
A hit from 1918
Bull Durham is a 1988 American romantic comedy sports film. It is partly based upon the minor-league baseball experiences of writer/director Ron Shelton and depicts the players and fans of the Durham Bulls, a minor-league baseball team in Durham, North Carolina. The film stars Kevin Costner as "Crash" Davis, a veteran catcher from the AAA Richmond Braves, brought in to teach rookie pitcher Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh (Tim Robbins) about the game in preparation for reaching the major leagues. Baseball groupie Annie Savoy (Susan Sarandon) romances Nuke but finds herself increasingly attracted to Crash...
I believe I've watched it way back
16:40
Pretty good film, for a sports film.
17:25
Or maybe it was this one which I watched:
Field of Dreams is a 1989 American sports fantasy drama film written and directed by Phil Alden Robinson, based on W. P. Kinsella's 1982 novel Shoeless Joe. The film stars Kevin Costner as a farmer who builds a baseball field in his cornfield that attracts the ghosts of baseball legends, including Shoeless Joe Jackson (Ray Liotta) and the Chicago Black Sox. Amy Madigan, James Earl Jones, and Burt Lancaster (in his final film role) also star. It was theatrically released on May 5, 1989. The film received generally positive reviews from critics, and was nominated for three Academy Awards: Best Picture...
A sports film? My Lord.
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I also watched this sports film
The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner is a 1962 British coming-of-age film. The screenplay was written by Alan Sillitoe from his 1959 short story of the same title. The film was directed by Tony Richardson, one of the new young directors emerging from the English Stage Company at the Royal Court. It tells the story of a rebellious youth (played by Tom Courtenay), sentenced to a borstal for burgling a bakery, who gains privileges in the institution through his prowess as a long-distance runner. During his solitary runs, reveries of important events before his incarceration lead him to re-evaluate...
I wonder if I watched any other
The car of Yevgeni Sekretariov, Deputy Head of the General Staff of the Russian Army
The woman who torched it has been arrested. She said she is against the Special Operation.
17:47
Sorry, I couldn't resist
/rimshot
@CowperKettle I know it's a bit maudlin and manipulative, but I couldn't help it: this movie always made me feel weepy at the end. The book it's based on was pretty good, too.
AI-driven drones collecting fruit.
@Robusto Yes, I remember it was a great movie
There is something very innocent about the idea, and the ideal, of baseball. That died long ago in the actual professional sport, or perhaps never really existed. But in the mind at least it exhibited the gentle innocence of Americana, like the works of Aaron Copland or the poems of Robert Frost.
@CowperKettle Read Fathers Playing Catch With Sons if you can find it.
That's not what Field of Dreams was based on. But it's an exploration into the ideas I'm talking about.
17:58
@Robusto If I ever have the time
Please ping me again. My pinger is acting up.
@Robusto
I just turned off sounds for StackExchange
@CowperKettle One more time, please. I think I fixed it now.
I accidentally turned off the sound for that tab in my browser.
And it didn't display the speaker icon after that, so no way to fix it.
Well, we'll see.
@Robusto
Yup, works now. Thanks!
18:09
That was easy
18:53
Apropos of nothing, there is something called a heated indoor clothes air, which judging from a search, appears to be an exclusively British thing. It's hot enough here that the heated part would probably be redundant.
Or perhaps the terminology is British, because I first found it mentioned on a British site.
19:43
Hello
When reading for pleasure, I often find myself parsing the text I am reading, trying to understand its syntax. This I do to understand the meaning of the text; indeed, parsing has helped me to better retain information. But it is not convenient whatsoever, and in all honesty it takes the pleasure out of reading.
In spite of that, I find it difficult to link what I am reading - the bare words and phrases - with any actual meaning if I do not parse the text.
Is this a problem any of you have faced - if not, are there any recorded cases of this problem? Are there people whose brains cann
20:03
> The Library of Alexandria: the first historic example of how crucial it is to back up all your data
20:39
You make one mistake one time and then everybody thinks you're that guy
Sure I've made another mistake, maybe even a third one but that last one was more of a misunderstanding
@Mitch They didn't have network admins in those days.
But there is a rumor going around that you are a politician. No greater mistake could be made than that.
@Robusto bad gateway (because of my VPN) What's the book about?
@M.A.R. It's about (mainly) how baseball features in the American psyche, and is one of the best parts of our collective memory.
Check it out on Amazon.
It's quite old, but then so is American innocence.
Baseball. Well, I gotta be in the right mindset for it
I can't stand stuff about sports I actually like
They're either boring or insincere.
20:55
This is beyond that. It would not touch an emotional chord in you the way it does with me, but it would explain a few things about this country.
Just in case you care about learning such things, which you are under no obligation to do.
I mean, if I wanna watch competitive people competing for stuff, I'd watch Predator or The Wolf of Wall Street or something
@Robusto hmm, as a general rule, I'm often either too lazy or too selfish to try to understand other people much, but I do make exceptions occasionally
@M.A.R. This isn't about that.
Okay, added it to my ever-expanding reading list
21:22
@CowperKettle Did you like the film?
21:46
Does anyone here using glass serving dishes? Just wondering.
@FaheemMitha Porcelain or bone china ftw.
@Robusto politician? How dare you!
@M.A.R. politician? How dare you!
@Everybody politician! How dare you?
Actually...
I take it as a compliment. You've finally recognized my ability to bend reality to the whims of my words. Watch me speak and see reality tremble before me. I smell your fear and mix my metaphors in a blender
I'm feeling a Vanilla Ice tune coming on. But I'll suppress that because primaries are coming up and I want every vote I've paid for to count
22:19
@FaheemMitha as opposed to plastic?
Depression glass is a collectible in the U.S. So are some of the early plastics.
22:36
@Xanne is 'Depression glass' something other than glass?
Depression glass is glassware made in the period 1929–1939, often clear or colored translucent machine-made glassware that was distributed free, or at low cost, in the United States and Canada around the time of the Great Depression. Depression glass is so called because collectors generally associate mass-produced glassware in pink, yellow, crystal, and green with the Great Depression in America. == History == The Quaker Oats Company, and other food manufacturers and distributors, put a piece of glassware in boxes of food, as an incentive to purchase. Some movie theaters and businesses handed...
It’s some of the glassware of a particular era.
23:19
@FaheemMitha It’s possible to buy glass dinnerware, quite elegant, at Crate and Barrel in the U.S.

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