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@Robusto sniggers
@tchrist Uh-oh, you used the S-word.
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> "Just 100 calories of processed foods can affect your physical health. So, that's two cookies." medicalxpress.com/news/…
My browser's physical health must be poor then.
@CowperKettle I commonly eat cookies (fig bars) on my rides, and they help keep my blood sugar up.
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@tchrist oh haha p- and -c-word... no I still don't get those
02:01
@CowperKettle Bleh, another one of that kind of study.
> Frozen meals are also at the forefront of processed foods.
Like frozen pease and spinach.
> The findings found that participants who were getting 20% or more of their daily calories from ultra-processed foods saw a far faster decline in cognitive performance over the span of six to 10 years versus people with diets containing few processed foods.
This appears to be all the research is.
Meanwhile, all sorts of things are insinuated about carbohydrates and stuff.
Looks good.
@Mitch "Political" andor "correct". I did not deliberately allude to any p- andor c-words related to male andor female pudenda.
02:36
The fig roll or fig bar is a cookie or biscuit consisting of a rolled cake or pastry filled with fig paste. == By country == === United Kingdom and Ireland === In the UK and Ireland the biscuit is mass-produced by McVitie's, Jacob's, and Boland's Bakery. During the mid 1990s Jacob's produced a limited edition of a chocolate version of the biscuit. === United States: Fig Newtons === In 1892 James Henry Mitchell, a Florida engineer and inventor, received a patent for a machine that could produce a hollow tube of cookie dough and simultaneously fill it with jam. At the same time, Phil...
@Robusto It just goes to figure that we'll have to ban headmasters but don't care about headmistresses. There will also be a lot of shipmasters out of a job. And don't forget Magister Ludi.
We're still allowed to talk about servants, aren't we? And servers?
It reminds me of something that reminds me of something unpleasant. Best not.
I wonder what programs can be used as a birthday reminder in Windows 10. I'm constantly forgetting people's birthdays.
Sorry, I wouldn't know. I've only ever been a Unix sort.
my_servent = getservbyname("garçon");
See? :)
@tchrist You are using Unix (Linux?)?
@CowperKettle Yes.
02:50
I tried using Ubuntu in 2008
It was too clumsy.
Although I was impressed that it managed to set up all drivers.
@tchrist I hesitate to mention to you and @Robusto the latest situation about 'chief'.
@Mitch This is about those garçons again isn't it? They want to be chef!
I was left with the impression that programmers made all the interesting work on Linux, and then decided not to do the boring, tedious work -- like making it all seamless and comfortable for the user.
Something about a Native American not caring for the title 'Chief Executive Officer' because 'chief' was (I am guessing) associated with the anglo word for a native american leader.
@Mitch That's Chief Petty Officer, sir.
02:53
Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief
@tchrist It sounds ridiculous to me because I just don't connect the two, but then I'm not a native american.
@CowperKettle Well, where else would you have it trend? The Bahamas?
@Mitch Yourow American?
Uri American?
Ur American?
Urmerican?
But the master/slave ting doesn't sound ridiculous to me, but I'm sure 30 years ago it would have sounded weird because usually 'master' things (like master branch) weren't paired with 'slave'
but
02:57
AMERICANN gives out murky names.
@Mitch We'll have to rename the Slavs, right?
'master's degree' doesn't sound weird to me at all because it isn't associate with 'slave'. So that's my introspective answer.
@tchrist Maybe.
Oh but it reminds you of the good masters!
In English it's cognate, right?
The Slavic ethnonym (and autonym), Slavs, is reconstructed in Proto-Slavic as *Slověninъ, plural Slověně. The earliest written references to the Slav ethnonym are in other languages. == Early mentions == Possibly the oldest mention of Slavs in almost historical form *Slověne is attested in Ptolemy's Geography (2nd century) as Σταυανοί (Stavanoi) and Σουοβηνοί (Souobenoi/Sovobenoi, Suobeni, Suoweni), both listed as Scythian tribes living near Alanians north of Scythia (first roughly between Volga and Ural Mountains, second between the Baltic Sea and Black Sea). Zbigniew Gołąb accepted Pavel Jozef...
And the slavs will have to rename their terms for the Germans, because it sounds like a slur.
02:59
Nemtsy
Which means "unable to speak"
Right
literally 'dumb'
uncool man. uncool
No, the root is nemoi, unable to speak properly
or rather Unkühl mann. Unkühl.
Young children who were unable to speak yet were called nemchik
@CowperKettle Either way, unable to speak or unable to speak properly.
03:00
Doesn't matter. People who are constantly thinking about the slavemaster's whip are bent on banishing the word just because it makes them think of things they MUST NOT THINK about! People get fired for sniggering now, or even for being niggardly in their altruism.
@Mitch Why do you always drag sex into everything? This isn't one of those fancy races you know!
@CowperKettle Barbarbarians!
@tchrist Also ridiculous about the firing of the teacher of Chinese using 'nei ge' (which sounds a bit like the n-word) which just means 'that' in Mandarin.
All in the name of purity of thought.
I don't think it's like that.
it is a bit superficial though
IF you fail the loyalty oath, you'll be subjected to public immolation.
making words that sound like taboo words also taboo
03:04
Well, on the left. On the right they'll just primary you. But on the left, you'll lose your livelihood and any chance at making a living.
@tchrist there is a bit of Stalinism in the worrying about what word to use because people will jump down your throat about it. And usually it is words and phrases that are common that suddenly become proscribed so it catches people unaware.
@Mitch Yes, that's the plan. This way they give themselves away with their sibboletz.
like the poor announcer who got fired for stumbling over 'people of color' (a relatively new phrase) and saying colored people (an antediluvian phrase).
Was he a person of pallor himself?
There are colored people in South Africa. Trevor Noah is one. He's not black.
Because there the term has a special meaning.
Same as Obama. Not good enough to be black, only colored. In South Africa.
@tchrist Well that's the difficulty. Those (the one's who are on the right), -are- awful people for wanting to use slurs (and wanting to use slurs is just the thin veneer over outright racism they know they shouldn't show). But on the left, accidentally saying something sounding like a slur is as you say severely punishable (and enforced by 'well-meaning whites).
You palid people need to watch your unsunscreened butts, that's all I'm saying.
But of those two sides, which is worse? Murderers or not stopping murderers enough?
@CowperKettle Those are like Puritans, right? Or was that Jacobites? I can never keep track of all the heresies of history. And I'm sorry I dragged sex back into it. Twice.
@tchrist No. Nice white lady.
@tchrist That has a different meaning is South Africa. Not the same as in North America.
@Mitch Guinevere!
@Mitch Sure it is. We have a National Association for them!
All the way down to figaroons, they'll letcha in.
03:14
@tchrist The NAACP refers only to African-Americans (decsendants of former slaves).
Oh colored people are only exslaves?
Hereditarily?
IN SA, colored means not native Zulu.Xhosa.etc and not Anglo/Duth, but imports from India.
I guess then that Obama isn't colored after all. His dad never slaved.
In SA, Trevor Noah wasn't colored, he was just plain not allowed/illegal.
Indians are colored people?
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@tchrist It didn't refer to Hispanics when 'colored' was used in the South US before 1960's. IT only referred to descendants of African slaves.
That was in the Missouri Compromise, right? I'm sorry, I can't remember how that worked but I thought it had something about red knickers.
@tchrist Well, the way people take it he is 'black' nowadays, and would have been called 'colored' before the 60's. But that's the US.
Okemosabe.
@tchrist Asian Indians yes. They are included in BIPoC.
MORE SEX!
So is Kamela Harris a colored person in South Africa then?
And has anybody told her?
@Mitch Oh we had colored people in the sixties here, I promise. I remember. I was there.
03:22
@tchrist I think so. Maybe tings have changed there? But most likely yes before 1989 she probably would have the legal classification of colored.
@tchrist I'm sure she's well aware of all the race issues having grown up with all that.
@tchrist maybe the sixties is when the term moved from 'colored' to 'black'?
Canada has a law that classifies people as Indians, or not.
The Indian Act (Loi sur les Indiens, long name An Act to amend and consolidate the laws respecting Indians) is a Canadian act of Parliament that concerns registered Indians, their bands, and the system of Indian reserves. First passed in 1876 and still in force with amendments, it is the primary document that defines how the Government of Canada interacts with the 614 First Nation bands in Canada and their members. Throughout its long history, the act has been a subject of controversy and has been interpreted in different ways by both Indigenous Canadians and non-Indigenous Canadians. The legislation...
In 2019, I recorded a video in which a passing motorist turns on a Soviet partiotic song, for all the street to hear. I uploaded it on YouTube and over 4 years it gathered several hundred views. Then in April 2022 I discovered that it had 100 000 views, and hundreds of raving patriotic comments. Bots. It was infested with paid bots. I took the video down.
France has laws that say you can't classify people according to race. Which was probably a good idea after WWII, but is causing difficulties with immigrants from former colonies nowadays.
@CowperKettle Spam expands to fill all empty spaces, and then some.
It was the Kremlin-paid army of bots.
03:27
@CowperKettle So... did you make any money off that?
They spare no expense.
@Mitch No
I know that one can earn money on YouTube, but I never read up on it.
@CowperKettle Bots cost less than precision guided missiles.
@CowperKettle I hope you realize that that was dark humor.
And I heard somewhere that after 24 Feb 22, YouTube disabled monetization for Russians.
Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.
But I suppose that doesn't rule out being patriotic for good reasons?
03:29
Yes, it's complicated.
Well, if they're good reasons, then you're not patriotic, only matriotic, which is ok.
@Mitch That never made any sense to me as a child. It does now.
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Q: "X is the last refuge of Y" - who first?

MitchWhat is the source of the snowclone: X is the last refuge of Y Here are the following examples I could find: Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. - Samuel Johnson Audacity is the last refuge of guilt. - Samuel Johnson Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative. - Oscar W...

@tchrist same here. because patriotism appeals to children. Like... how could anything be bad about patriotism? The other guy is a bad guy, so patriotism is good. I mean look at them, they're obviously evil.
@Mitch "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." —Salvor Hardin
@tchrist I'll add that to the list
@Mitch Chesterton regarding children on justice vs mercy.
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oh haha actually Asimov
"Collecting famous quotations is the last refuge of the uncertain"
"For children are innocent and love justice, while most of us are wicked and naturally prefer mercy." —G.K. Chesterton
@CowperKettle "A trite saying is worth a pound of wisdom."
That's vile.
As an acrostic.
"4. Ecrostics"
"5. Arbitrarily filling out lists"
goddamit
I ruined it by adding the last one
Also for PP on the TP.
Why is it "em aye double-ess aye double-ess eye peepee eye"? Shouldn't it have a double-pee not a peepee?
You know, the mnemonic little kids get taught.
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> n 2019, Google announced that they had achieved quantum supremacy with a calculation that no ordinary computer could match. Now, researchers in China showed that an ordinary computer can do it within hours science.org/content/article/…
haha
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Word of the day: faceplant (initially from computer games)
> The skater slipped off his board and did a painful faceplant.
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CopperKettle A little road not made of man, Enabled of the eye, Accessible to thill of bee, Or cart of butterfly. If town it have, beyond itself, 'T is that I cannot say; I only sigh, — no vehicle Bears me along that way. What is the meaning of "enabled of the eye"? Just an observation, made as a comment, t...

 
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Irina Gen, a teacher of English from Penza, has received a suspended sentence of 5 years for speaking out against the Special Operation in classroom to her pupils.
 
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I don't think we need to interpret McTier as saying that "enabled" refers to the poet, but rather that the road is enabled to be seen by the eye of the poet. ("Of" means "by" in line 2; cf. the OED "of prep. 14. Introducing the agent after a passive verb.The usual word for this is now by".) — Gareth Rees 2 hours ago
 
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I wonder if @jlliagre will get this one.
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Congratulations! You took 3 hours to solve Redactle Unlimited in 92 guesses with 52.17% accuracy!
#119

Hopefully, I did other things in these 3 hours.
@jlliagre You got lucky on the Worldle puzzle. ;-)
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@Robusto I can't deny it.
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Jun 7, 2014 at 17:26, by Robusto
What is the difference between a courthouse and a whorehouse? If you want justice, go to a whorehouse; if you want to get fucked, go to court.
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Them's getting tricksy these days, Precious.
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> "The young people had fewer panic attacks and could do things which they were previously unable to do like leave the house, go to school, participate in social situations, eat at restaurants, take public transport or attend appointments by themselves" medicalxpress.com/news/…
What is the meaning of "attend appointments"? Does it mean any appointments or visits to a doctor only?
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@CowperKettle Mostly. There could be other appointments, say with a lawyer or therapist.
Any meeting that is scheduled, especially with someone you don't know, is an appointment.
Thank you!
> We show that even when simply listening to a story, the brain spontaneously predicts upcoming language at multiple levels of abstraction pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.2201968119
 
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Wow
That also makes us think how big is universe.
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This is why finding aliens is so hard. Even if we could travel with speed of light, we won't be able to discover enough universe to find an alien.
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@Robusto Is that a quote from somewhere?
I was creating new account and then I found this new puzzle system.
16:03
I would pick the dino: Greater Of All Time ;-)
@Vikas The reason that aliens have never visited us is because our solar system has received terrible reviews. We only have one star.
@CowperKettle Good one!
I'll copy it.
Yes, I just came across it on Twitter ))
Word of the day: Functional ultrasound microscopy
It's amazing that they are using ultrasound to achieve this.
@CowperKettle Drugs are a lousy way of treating these kinds of conditions. Perhaps justifiable as a last resort. But increasingly they are a first resort.
(Excuse random interjection.)
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@jlliagre Nice.
Took me some time to process.
> EXCLUSIVE: China could invade Taiwan within the next 18 months, current and former officials familiar with U.S. and allied intelligence told Fox News, suggesting a particularly "dangerous" window between the meeting of the National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party this November and the next U.S. presidential election in 2024.
@FaheemMitha Why? Antidepressants work.
@CowperKettle Sometimes they don't. And have plenty of side-effects. And if there are underlying causes, they do nothing about them.
Mostly what those drugs do is act as a sort of blanket. Just suppress whatever is going on. Sure, if you have an actual medical condition, maybe it's justified, but not everything is that simple.
Decades will pass until underlying causes have been investigated.
(I have people in my family with mental health issues. I've suffered from them myself, as I imagine many people have. I've never thought that drugs were an answer. Personally I have a strong antipathy towards them.)
I took escitalopram, and I'm now taking milnacipran.
16:28
@CowperKettle The question is whether any effort is ever made. Because it's much easier to tell people to swallow chemicals.
@CowperKettle OK.
A lot of effort is being made.
@CowperKettle I'm not saying it's always an unjustifiable thing to do. But it's definitely not a blanket solution.
@CowperKettle Where?
@FaheemMitha Neuroscience research of depression
@CowperKettle Oh. Academic research. Actually, I meant mental illness generally, but OK.
Academic research into brain biology enabled this 19 yo man to stay alive and avoid suicide pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22691588
It would not have been possible without meticulous research into brain biochemistry over decades.
16:31
@CowperKettle Sure, like I said, if there is an actual medical condition. Sometimes people are just miserable. Or bored in school, so they get prescribed ritalin, or whatever.
Yes, and the problem is, there is no way to tell. There are no valid tests.
I was incredibly depressed when I was in school. Because it was a horrible place. Once I left, I got better. Though I did go through a period of bewilderment, which I imagine was similar to people released from prison. Though I won't presume to compare my situation to people in prison.
Well, school plus a really dysfunctional family.
Yes, school was horrible.
@CowperKettle Actually, you can tell quite a lot if you actually talk to people. Though I suppose changing a person's circumstances is much harder than feeding them chemicals.
@CowperKettle Yours too?
@FaheemMitha Yes, the last two years were dismal
The first 8 years were good.
16:36
@CowperKettle Ah. In my case, around the last 4 or so, I think.
Give or take. I don't remember properly because I've supressed those memories. It probably wasn't as bad as I thought at the time, but of course children have no perspective, which makes them more vulnerable than an adult would be.
@FaheemMitha That 19 yo man did a lot of psychotherapy, and was considered a case of "personality disorder" because he did not get better. Thus I'm highly suspicious that one can diagnose anything by talking.
Also, I was probably an overly sensitive child.
Yes, children think that it's all there is.
@CowperKettle Certainly you can. You can figure out what's actually bothering them. If there is no good reason, then sure, maybe it's a mental illness.
And there are some things that are clearly mental illnesses, of course.
But anxiety and depression are very much grey areas.
I also discovered a mention of a 50 yo man who spent 25 years in depression, doing cognitive psychotherapy exercises the day through. Until it was discovered that he had low BH4 in CSF, and voila, he got better in a month.
16:39
@CowperKettle Right. Like I said, medical condition. Those are the lucky ones.
@FaheemMitha How can you check all "good reasons"? The majority of them haven't yet been discovered, there are no tests for them.
Schizophrenia is an example of something that is clearly a mental illness, though I don't know how well understood it is.
I once had a housemate who had it. He said he could hear voices talking about him. And the thing was, he could hear everything they said.
Some, say, auxiliary protein 12B to transport protein 15C can be wrecked, and you would not be able to tell that. No matter how much you talked with the patient.
@CowperKettle Personal circumstances is a good start. Talking about their lives and what it's like. Lots of people have horrible lives.
@CowperKettle Agreed. As I already said, if it's a medical condition then it should be treated. Assuming you can discover what it is.
I think that in the near future, it will be customary to do a full DNA sequencing of patients.
I've read the genetic report on Temple Grandin, the famous autistic woman.
She was feeling hot in her body for some reason. And voila! Turns out she has a mutation in a gene that causes a rare disorder in which people do feel hot in their body. But not a full-blown mutation that would cause all the symptoms.
Without a genetic test, one could say she was imagining it, or write it down as a symptom of anxiety. There is no way to tell by just talking.
Mary Temple Grandin (born August 29, 1947) is an American scientist, academic and animal behaviorist. She is a prominent proponent for the humane treatment of livestock for slaughter and the author of more than 60 scientific papers on animal behavior. Grandin is a consultant to the livestock industry, where she offers advice on animal behavior, and is also an autism spokesperson. Grandin is one of the first autistic people to document the insights she gained from her personal experience of autism. She is currently a faculty member with Animal Sciences in the College of Agricultural Sciences at...
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@CowperKettle That's interesting. But I think there's a long way to go before there is any real understanding of mental illness.
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Russians love science so much?
Heyy everyone
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@CowperKettle They're probably just less concerned about doing something illegal. As you can see, India also ranks quite high up.
Oh, it's a logarithmic scale. Never mind.
I think people in general are just desperate to get hold of scientific material, because so much of it is behind paywalls these days.
And of course few can afford to pay the ridiculous prices that are demanded.
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I solved Redactle Unlimited in 3 guesses and 2 minutes with an accuracy of 100%. Play at redactle-unlimited.com
@FaheemMitha From a movie or something. I don't remember where I heard it.
How is there justice in a whorehouse
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I was also wondering same.
If you can't figure that one out, I'm a little taken aback.
You pay a price and get what you want. That's justice.
Also, the line I now remember is from this film:
Primal Fear is a 1996 American legal thriller film directed by Gregory Hoblit, and written by Steve Shagan and Ann Biderman, based on William Diehl's 1993 novel of the same name. The film stars Richard Gere, Laura Linney, John Mahoney, Alfre Woodard, Frances McDormand and Edward Norton in his film debut. It revolves around a Chicago defense attorney who believes that his altar boy client is not guilty of murdering an influential Catholic archbishop. The film was a box office success and received positive reviews, with Norton's breakthrough performance earning critical praise. Norton was nominated...
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You pay a price and get what you want; is called "satisfaction."
> Martin Vail: On my first day of law school, my professor says two things. First was: from this day forward, when your mother tells you she loves you, get a second opinion.

Jack Connerman: [chuckles] And?

Martin Vail: If you want justice, go to a whorehouse. If you wanna get fucked, go to court.
@user4539917 Obviously your definition is a little narrower than jokes will allow.
@Robusto OK. I guess legal systems are dysfunctional everywhere. At least, that is the impression one gets. Anecdotal, of course.
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@Robusto I would describe that as commerce. Or maybe shopping.
Look, no witticism is accurate to six decimal places. Get a life, you guys.
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@Robusto Too late.
Jul 15 at 13:56, by Robusto
@Mitch How does one avoid nitpicking in EL&U chat? I ask you, how?
one could talk about a fair price for trafficking sex, etc
Don't make me quote the nitpicking line again.
The term justice is normally used in a legal sense, I think. Though other senses of the word are possible, I suppose.
..........
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As in "Justice League". Which mostly seems to amount to beating up the "bad guys".
Who are easily identifiable because they are cackling manically and firing exotic energy weapons. Which would certainly be useful identifiers in real life.
It's really a shame that the real world bad guys can't be persuaded to behave thus.
@Robusto Makes sense now.
Someone should really tell Manchin that his voters would like him better if he put on a suit and a mask, and rode a giant robot into DC.
@user4539917 Example: I was really satisfied after paying my Internet bills 😂
Yup, and he's calling that social justice.
@Vikas You were? Why?
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@FaheemMitha I paid for something I wanted.
> The Indian and US troops will conduct a two-week-long military exercise in the high-altitude areas near the Line of Actual Control (LAC), starting October 14.
What's going on in the world?
I'd personally be really satisfied with free internet.
Justice comes in many forms: poetic, social, sexual,...
@Vikas Lots of Bad Things? Do you really need to ask?
No. I am just (over?)reacting to it.
Surely each year after 2019 is going bad.
Every year new surprises!
> I solved Redactle Unlimited in 4 guesses and 12 minutes with an accuracy of 100%. Play at redactle-unlimited.com
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See ya
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected (78): What is the origin of "oh noodles!"‭ by upekha‭ on english.SE
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@Xanne I bow my head... I solved Redactle Unlimited in 74 guesses and 22 minutes with an accuracy of 81.08%. Play at redactle-unlimited.com
@Robusto Ditto.
@jlliagre I coulda done better but I got lazy.
Plus I took a lot of breaks to chide people in chat for their literal-mindedness.
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@Robusto I think you lost that battle. 'Justice' and 'prostitution' is just not a pair that makes much sense together, unless you go through a tortured explanation.
You of all people.
@Robusto Perhaps you should consider a different hobby.
This is like getting nibbled to death by ducks.
You could try flying drone aircraft. Maybe buy a hot air balloon.
I hear you can get drones with cameras now.
It's impressive that what took the Wright brothers so much time and effort is now basically a children's toy.
BTW, this is off-topic, of course. But thoughts about gas vs electric ovens?
Here's a joke:

Three men are on a boat. They have four cigarettes, but nothing to light them with.

So they throw a cigarette overboard and the whole boat becomes a cigarette lighter.
@FaheemMitha I liked the drone subject. Can we go back to that?
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@Mitch Sure. But the oven question was a serious one.
@Mitch Do you have a drone?
I get confused about drones because some of them are the helicopter style, with relevant expectations, and some of them are the mini-airplane kind.
@FaheemMitha If I were a kid I'd love to have one. But also I'd probably break it quickly or break something with it.
at the moment I just don't have the energy to bother with it.
@Mitch I was thinking more of the multi-rotor type. They seem quite common.
@FaheemMitha Well, one you have to have a hookup to a gas source which just may not be available. Usually everyone has some sort of electricity connection.
@Mitch They're probably quite breakable, yes. Or a dog could run off with it.
@FaheemMitha oh so kinda helicopterish
21:20
@Mitch Well, we have gas cylinders here. I was just thinking pros vs cons in terms of usage.
eats easier to light a match with the gas one?
electric seems safer? But maybe not?
Our current cooking range is dying, more or less. I've actually already ordered a gas cooking range, but am having a mild case of buyer doubts.
is your current one electric or gas?
Not that I actually want an electric oven. I have no experience with it. And more relevantly, my cook doesn't either.
@Mitch Current one is all gas. Hobs and oven. It's kind of crappy quality. It's mostly rusted.
there might be global warming considerations but I can't remember or figure out all the competing issues
21:22
@Mitch That wasn't uppermost in my mind. Just usability concerns.
I don't think cooking generates so much carbon (in comparison to other things), that it's such a big concern.
21:45
2 days ago, by Robusto
Electric ovens are supposed to have more even heating. Our oven is electric, while our range top is gas.
22:10
@FaheemMitha Electric ovens only create carbon emissions by whatever method the power plant (or solar array) produces them. I think natural gas is the 'clean' alternative to coal or wood burning, but don't know how it compares to coal power plants (when you multiply the math out per person). @M.A.R. would know? What -is- natural gas made of? I could look it up but that would be too easy.
@FaheemMitha when you turn on gas it is heating hot immediately. with electric it takes some time to warm up. But the electric coils are usually engineered to give a more uniform heat surface, while with gas it's only hot where the shape of the flame is (as @Robusto said).
With gas, if you have to go pick up the canisters of propane or whatever all the time, that could be a hassle.
22:29
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23:20
@FaheemMitha well, that's our approach for diabetes, hypertension, dementia, even obesity if you stretch the definition
It's too early to expect miracles from medicine. Maybe in a hundred years, yes.
@Mitch IIRC small hydrocarbons. Methane, ethane, ethene, propane, and butane. Though it's processed quite a bit before reaching the pipes at home. I think it's often butane or methane with that smelly mercapto compound but I forgot. Now you can Google.
There is this famous schematic drawing of a crude oil distillation column in every gen chem textbook; basically you evaporate it all, and gather them based on their boiling points. Since they're hydrocarbons and rarely have oxygen atoms or sulfur, their BP is largely determined by their size, and thus how many carbons they have.
The gas you can't liquefy (because of very very low BP) exits the column and is processed a bit because alkenes and alkynes are much more valuable, and then it's pumped to houses I suppose.
@M.A.R. Methane is what America calls "natural gas" (the kind that is piped into our homes).
Propane is the kind you pick up in canisters or have delivered to tanks at your (usually rural) location.
Carbon footprint calculations always made my head spin, but I think there are much more significant sources that should be prioritized
@Mitch electric rules. Nothing beats uniformity, especially for a guy like me who can forget about the food until I can smell ash

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