English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

jlliagre

00:13

Congratulations, you solved Redactle #100!
You solved it in 32 guesses
Your accuracy was 84.38%

Robusto

@jlliagre They still haven't fixed their certificate issue.

jlliagre

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Robusto

12 hours ago, by Robusto

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12 hours ago, by Robusto

@Cerberus I used your technique and burned one on guess five to incorporate all the first-letter possibilities I could think of.

@jlliagre You could have used that technique to help you.

jlliagre

That might have helped me, not sure...

Robusto

00:30

I'll look at that one tomorrow and see if I get into a one-letter multi-bind like you did.

If so, I'll try Cerb's technique again.

jlliagre

My four last guesses were words I never used or read. They just looked like English and I was surprised they were accepted. The last one was the most guessable but I didn't thought about it soon enough.

Robusto

@jlliagre You didn't think about it soon enough. When using do you use the present and rely on the do helper verb to handle tenses.

jlliagre

Right, it is a mistake I often make if I am not careful enough.

probably due to the French.

Robusto

Well, French doesn't have do support, does it?

jlliagre

[...] mais je n'y ai pas pensé suffisamment tôt

Robusto

00:43

ai is "have" there, correct, not "do" ... right?

jlliagre

We use the past participle where English uses the present. The grammar is obviously more different than just that.

Correct

Robusto

Yeah, which conforms with English use of have: "I haven't thought about it enough."

Only if we add soon, as your French version does, we would have to use do: "I didn't think about it soon enough."

To say "I haven't thought about it soon enough" in English is a bit strange. I'm trying to think of a good reason why. Maybe @tchrist can help.

We could say "I hadn't thought about it soon enough." That fixes the occurrence at a point in time. But to use the present perfect with soon ... my brain is short-circuiting.

jlliagre

Yes, no do in French. Well, we have faire but the meaning would be very different: Je n'y fis pas penser suffisamment tôt.

It's more "make" than "do".

Robusto

@jlliagre Is the past tense of faire then fait?

jlliagre

What person?

Robusto

00:56

Dunno.

I'm trying to get a sense of faire as related to English "fact."

jlliagre

fait is third person present or past participle.

It's also a noun: un fait = "a fact"

Robusto

Yeah, I knew the latter bit.

So faire means (or meant?) something like "become fact"?

jlliagre

Faire means to do (do your homework) or make (make noise). Do something as a fact maybe, like Italian fare, Spanish hacer.

Robusto

Which will bring us back to do! (That is, the do in do-re-mi.)

"Do-Re-Mi" - THE SOUND OF MUSIC (1965)

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jlliagre

That do was an ut then dominus, not facere...

Robusto

01:07

I guess this is proof that one can get drunk on comparative vocabulary.

jlliagre

Funny, there is a mistake in the video, she says ti (tea) instead of si, could have been sea.

Robusto

@jlliagre In American English the solfeggio uses ti as the seventh scale step. Maybe in British English too. I dunno.

jlliagre

I thought only letters were used in English C D E F...

Robusto

Solfège

In music, solfège (UK: , US: ; French: [sɔlfɛʒ]) or solfeggio (; Italian: [solˈfeddʒo]), also called sol-fa, solfa, solfeo, among many names, is a music education method used to teach aural skills, pitch and sight-reading of Western music. Solfège is a form of solmization, though the two terms are sometimes used interchangeably. Syllables are assigned to the notes of the scale and enable the musician to audiate, or mentally hear, the pitches of a piece of music being seen for the first time and then to sing them aloud. Through the Renaissance (and much later in some shapenote publications) various...

The system is used in vocal music, principally.

@jlliagre OK, so the si is the raised 7th scale step in a minor key.

Forget what I said about an English distinction. It's a major/minor thing. ^_^

jlliagre

Si is from Sancte Iohannes but Sarah Glover wanted each note to start with a different letter.

Robusto

01:18

Meh.

It is a system I never bothered with, though I knew a little about it. My training was instrumental.

CowperKettle

02:45

Solfège is a form of solmization - oh, that makes it clear.

@Robusto There's another Do Re Mi song:

Do Re Mi - Woody Guthrie

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CowperKettle

03:12

How did the expression I'm cool come to mean "I'm opting out of this"?

user4539917

"I'm cool, just the way I am now, so I'm opting out."

cool = satisfied

be cool with sth

Robusto

03:54

@CowperKettle Yep, Woody was a classic. Do you understand that the "do-re-mi" in that song refers to money? Do-re-mi > dough > money

user4539917

04:13

Indeed, the bread winner brings home the dough.

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Xanne

04:26

The San Jose, CA web page says that “Dead animals will be picked up in the order in which they are received.”

user4539917

First come, first serve 😳

CowperKettle

05:09

@Robusto Yes. I've read two biographies of Woody Guthrie ))

The "Bound for Glory" book, written by Woody Guthrie himself, and another biography written by a different person.

CowperKettle

05:52

> Military exercises in Belarus were extended at least until July 23. This will make the total extension last 12 weeks.

@Robusto Maybe religions help focus on some aspects (morality, good behavior) that the usual activities of life may help avoid. So, religion may distort one's view of life, but life as usual can also distort one's view of life.

They are just distorting it in different ways. You cannot go through life undistorted.

S.M.T

@CowperKettle True. People who wish to find god , fear of death etc will go to religion for comfort. What’s the biggest comfort they provide ? Reincarnation or staying in heaven. So , You’re not like gone.

CowperKettle

Solzhenitsyn wrote that in the GULAG, religious people behaved most admirably. They did not cooperate with the regime, did not become stool pigeons, and carried themselves with humanity. If I land in a GULAG, I think I will become religious on purpose. Not in order to reach heaven, but to try to behave as a human.

S.M.T

I wouldn’t say that maybe they are wrong. They can be true also. But if u look at past , There used to be more people who were enlightened , could do or show you miracles which was enough to accept but the same kind of people aren’t present now.

CowperKettle

If one is distorting his view of reality, but that makes him a better person, why not? Man has not been calibrated to reflect reality perfectly from the start.

When we feel that we have "Self" or "Will", we are distorting reality too.

When you read any list of cognitive distortions, for instance, on Wikipedia, you understand that humans are just not geared for reflecting reality perfectly.

CowperKettle

06:24

Xanne

07:46

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I almost missed this one.

Robusto

08:55

@CowperKettle You can try.

@CowperKettle Then that dovetails with your appreciation for Dylan. Cool.

CowperKettle

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Vikas

10:27

Is there any way I can see a graph of questions asked per day?

CowperKettle

10:52

Andrei Pivovarov was given a 4-year prison sentence yesterday for political activity. More specifically, for several dozen Facebook posts confirming that he had proceeded with political activity, despite being forbidden to.

CowperKettle

11:08

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle reading Slaughterhouse Five now.

But that one is a kick ass book too, as far as I've heard

CowperKettle

Yes, it's a nice book. I did not read it, I listened to the audiobook version

But I've read Slaughterhouse Five, and all other books by Vonnegut

M.A.R.

11:35

@CowperKettle seems miffed at worst

CowperKettle

12:14

> Putin’s youngest daughter Katerina Tikhonova has reportedly been appointed to oversee Russia’s struggling import substitution program at a leading business lobby group.

> When was blood pressure first directly measured? In 1733, in a horse.

twitter.com/KIReports/status/1547702091929423878

M.A.R.

13:06

A terrible tragedy has befallen me. I won't get an A in this exam.

Robusto

13:40

@CowperKettle @M.A.R. I think Vonnegut's best is Cat's Cradle. Very apt warning for our world today.

CowperKettle

> Repeat in your head:
- My actions and thoughts are fueled by love and kindness.
- I reject and let go of feelings of anger
- I choose not to react harshly and angrily.
- My mind is a calm space free of anger and toxicity.

Robusto

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CowperKettle

I'm being plagued with self-motivational feeds on Twitter. It says "based on your likes", although I've been only giving likes to medical and neuroscience feeds for months. I've decided to only give likes to some research / informational bits.

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle now this does make me want to reach out and punch you in the lid.

CowperKettle

Haha

Robusto

13:46

@M.A.R. What is "in the lid"?

CowperKettle

Kettles have lids

Robusto

Ah.

CowperKettle

M.A.R.

@Robusto Rosewater's resonated with me more, even if it's a bit too bitter at times. Though I'm liking Slaughterhouse too, it's definitely a tough choice

CowperKettle

> Work on yourself daily and watch your life change. (Adolf Hitler)

M.A.R.

13:48

@CowperKettle was Buddha a multimillionaire?

Robusto

@CowperKettle How'd that work out for ya, Adolf?

CowperKettle

@M.A.R. He was a millionaire at the start

> “A gem cannot be polished without friction, nor a man perfected without trials" (Donald Trump)

Robusto

People who follow Buddha's and Christ's exhortations to poverty seldom practice those tenets of their faith.

@CowperKettle Yeah, let's hope he gets a trial that will make him perfect.

CowperKettle

> Why do I need Twitter then there's no Rogozin in it

Robusto

Wow, the one guy who was keeping the ISS from crashing to earth (but only into the US or Europe). How will we manage?

CowperKettle

13:58

Recently a different spaceship was tried out to increase the height of the orbit of the ISS, and it worked.

So it can be now done without Russia.

The Cucumber Day is an annual summer festival in Suzdal, Russia.

It is having its 20th run.

Robusto

@CowperKettle You don't need the definite article there.

Vikas

@CowperKettle Why he refused to buy after making offer?

CowperKettle

@Vikas Oh, I don't know.

@Robusto Thanks!

Robusto

@Vikas Possibly he never intended to buy it in the first place.

Vikas

Maybe just to create buzz?

CowperKettle

14:08

> Grade 9 school pupil, a girl, noticed a 77 yo woman making an anti-Special Operation sign on a bus stop, and reported. She followed the criminal lady into the bus and covertly made pictures of her using her smartphone. The old woman was sentenced to a RUB 15 thousand fine.

> The 77 yo woman is Tatyana Savinkina, a citizen of Petrozavodsk. She worked for 30 years in the police.

Robusto

@Vikas I read an article in The Economist (I think) that said he could make $1 billion in stock valuation in some arcane way by not buying Twitter, and that the whole purchase was a way to activate his 23 million Tesla stock options, which are due to be acted upon soon. I didn't follow the financial math, but there's an answer in there somewhere.

CowperKettle

The portrait of the criminal.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer (87): Is “month year” or “month, year” the more common form of punctuation in print publishing?‭ by Mark_Adam‭ on english.SE

Robusto

I'm surprised they let her off so lightly for such a grievous threat to Russia.

CowperKettle

Yes, probably they were lenient in respect of her age, and her disability status. She is a Grade II disabled person

Robusto

14:13

That girl must feel very proud of herself.

CowperKettle

Yes. So young and yet so consciencious.

Robusto

1984 is alive and well.

Vikas

14:40

> A haunting, mile-long school bus convoy honoring gun violence victims pays Ted Cruz a visit in the latest campaign from @ChangeTheRef.

@Robusto Hmm.

CowperKettle

15:06

Fresh military graves in Sevastopol

CowperKettle

16:54

> In a new Science study, researchers introduce a new manufacturing process, focused rotary jet spinning, to create 3-dimensional human heart structures with prescribed microscale polymer fiber alignment

tchrist

> This question remains a vital consideration anent the debate over the possibility of limiting nuclear war to military objectives, rather than continuing a policy that has come to be known as the ''balance of terror,'' threatening not only military installations but vast civilian populations as well.

CowperKettle

Word of the day: anent (about, concerning)

This is the second time ever that I have come across anent

Robusto

@tchrist Sure. What a breakthrough, enabling nuclear conflagration with only a 50% chance of ending civilization. How intelligent human beings are!

@CowperKettle Stick around, you'll probably see it again.

tchrist

> The wings of the driver’s Marlenesque nose shone, having shed or burned up their ration of power, and she kept up an elegant monologue anent the local traffic, and smiled in profile, and pouted in profile, and beat her painted lashes in profile, while I prayed we would never get to that store, but we did.

> After discussion thereanent, it is resolved and decided hereby to request the Council of State to have a galley or two hired, to convey the said officers to Scotland: the expenses therefor to be paid from the army-subsidies.

> Answering thereto, he sat down on his knees, and with shedding
of tears abundantly purged himself thereanent, saying that it was
true that he wanted his money, which was stolen forth of his kist
(chest) by thieves — that he purged his wife, daughter, and
son-in-law thereanent, and besought God to strike him instantly
to death if ever he used any such indirect methods to get
knowledge of his money, but that he wants it as yet;
whereupon the (Kirk) Session, till farther trial anent
the premisses, remits him.

I blame the Scotch.

SmokeDetector

17:25

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating words in answer (175): difference between "will you be -ing?" and "are you -ing?"‭ by Sebastian XE Rypster‭ on english.SE

tchrist

> Well, give her this ring, and therewithal this letter.

> In this he succeeded, so that only two escaped, and therewithal wounded and without their beasts, wherefore were their tidings brought too late to the city.

Funny how some of these can trigger inversion.

> Wherefore said he, dissembling his evil mood, “Nay, Lady, be not angry, but come, delay whetteth my desire - what is it that thou hast for my ears, for they twitch already.”

user4539917

17:41

Sounds, poetic.

Faheem Mitha

17:54

@Robusto Only 50%?

@Robusto I thought it was a way to sell lots of Tesla shares without freaking the Tesla shareholders out.

Mitch

18:10

@tchrist I'd write like that too if I had enough alcohol in me.

Robusto

18:43

@FaheemMitha I was rounding down from 100%.

Faheem Mitha

@Robusto That's a pretty big round down.

Robusto

@FaheemMitha Just enough to qualify as hyperbole.

user4539917

One significant figure.

tchrist

19:16

Hyperbullying.

Robusto

20:34

@user4539917 Sigfigs don't count in chat.

Robusto

20:45

#Worldle #176 2/6 (100%)
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Interesting. In English it's heartburn, but in Spanish it's ardor de estómago. I think that's a more apt description,, yet there's something to be said for a term that takes two syllables rather than seven.

Cerberus

21:26

@Robusto People often self-diagnose heartburn as a heart issue, which is no doubt the origin of the name.

Robusto

21:36

@Cerberus Sometimes heart attacks are dismissed as heartburn, however.

Mitch

Sometimes a stroke shows as up all words time a mixing of sudden

And times just as usual other that's business

@Cerberus Have you seen the latest Star Trek series, Strange New Worlds? I think that is the only mass media entertainment that you might be OK with.

Cerberus

21:54

@Mitch Ah, nope, I didn't know it was out yet.

Do you like it?

Is it more similar to the Next Generation than Discovery is?

Much less hysterical and emotional than Discovery?

SmokeDetector

22:11

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating words in answer (175): Why is the sentence "Statistics 'is' often misleading" incorrect?‭ by Fish‭ on english.SE

jlliagre

23:19

Wordle (ES) #191 3/6

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jlliagre

23:30

Wordle 393 5/6

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Ah ha, similar pattern.

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