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Cerberus

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Q: Many more vs much more / many fewer vs much fewer

This year there were: many more people much more people Alternatively: many fewer people much fewer people Which is considered better English?

@Vikas Hmm that's troublesome.

Vikas

@Cerberus That is interesting. Never heard many fewer before.

It looks funny when Mitch's avatar goes down when he leaves 🤣

Cerberus

18:15

Vikas

The real size you mean?

Size might be realistic but I feel countries are stretched/skewed.

Cerberus

You'll understand if you read the annotations on oddly shaped countries/places.

Robusto supports Ukraine

@Cerberus Haha, that's about exactly where the Canadian population is located in their country, too. Further north is really cold.

Vikas

Such a mess

X claimed Y claimed Z claimed

Cerberus

Isn't it?

@RobustosupportsUkraine Indeed!

Vikas

18:24

> In 1975, the Prime Minister of Sikkim appealed to the Indian Parliament for Sikkim to become a state of India. In April of that year, the Indian Army took over the city of Gangtok and disarmed the Chogyal's palace guards. Thereafter, a referendum was held in which 97.5 per cent of voters supported abolishing the monarchy, effectively approving union with India. India is said to have stationed 20,000–40,000 troops in a country of only 200,000 during the referendum

I didn't know this.

"Illegal annexation by India"

At the same time it says 97% people supported approving union with India.

Scotland seeks independence?

California seek independence from whom? USA?

@CowperKettle Oh maybe.

Maybe they forced.

I read some quick Quora answers which says California people don't want independece.

Mitch

@Vikas It's a bull thing

someone should have a dove... that would look great flying in and out

Cerberus

@Vikas Referenda can be manipulated or completely fake, even.

Vikas

@Mitch Could you please click "leave" for a moment?

Cerberus

How rude.

Vikas

No I didn't mean that

I wanted to record it

Sorry if felt rude

Cerberus

18:36

Haha I know.

I was just teasing you.

Vikas

Please don't do it :( I have a history of suspension in chat rooms. I'm really trying to not repeat same mistakes.

I have improved a great deal but I make mistakes sometimes 🤣😣

Cerberus

You did not make a mistake, I just made a little joke. There is no problem.

Vikas

Okay.

@Mitch Batman would also look good

M.A.R.

@Cerberus I have three kidneys actually

Mitch

or a dragon

wait... you want to record?

do you want me to leave ... at a given time?

M.A.R.

18:43

@RobustosupportsUkraine how on Earth do they justify praising the commies?

Mitch

and then reappear?

M.A.R.

It's a prank huge noticeable wink

Mitch

I'm feeling like it

Vikas

@Mitch No. I've managed now.

Robusto supports Ukraine

@M.A.R. They are convinced by Faux News and other right-wing media that liberals are their greatest enemy.

Mitch

18:44

@Vikas I'm leaving in 3...

2...

Vikas

Wait then

Mitch

wait... what?

here I am all prepared to sacrifice and you've 'done it already'?

I'm leaving

M.A.R.

No do it

He did it!

Did you guys see that

Mitch

I'm back

did I miss anything?

M.A.R.

How was it

Mitch

18:45

kind of cleansing

Vikas

@Mitch No I recorded it. But I had created a manual animation meanwhile

Mitch

like a sauna but not hot

M.A.R.

Damp then

Mitch

@Vikas Yay! I've done something!

@M.A.R. not damp either

Vikas

Yeah something positive

Mitch

18:46

like a room temp, not humid sauna

basically like not a sauna

M.A.R.

@Mitch so, what, you got radiated?

Mitch

like everything about a sauna except for the sauna stuff

in the shade too

not the dark

not full sunlight

M.A.R.

Your metaphor is like a waffle in the sun

Mitch

@M.A.R. with syrup I'm there

maybe

M.A.R.

Without syrup. Horrifically dry.

Mitch

18:48

I like eating outside but not in direct sunlight

M.A.R.

Well you brought this on yourself

Mitch

I was feeling bad for myself but then I realized it's -you- who brought this on me.

"waffles in the sun"

crazy town

I'll be back in a second. I'm going to get a refund

Vikas

Moderator stopped Mitch XD

@Mitch this one is real when you left

See how MAR's Tom pushed you

Or was it my candle that made your Bull heated? And you jumped to save it?

My bank expects me to apply for a credit card just to eat.

Cerberus

19:59

@M.A.R. Three is a good number!

How did that happen?

I thought you got (a) new one(s)?

Faheem Mitha

20:31

Hi Folks. If I use the term "wired" as a reference to the Net, what kind of name would you give to that figure of speech? E.g. synecdoche.

Robusto supports Ukraine

@FaheemMitha Yup.

Faheem Mitha

@RobustosupportsUkraine Yup? You mean synecdoche is the right term? If so, are you sure?

Robusto supports Ukraine

@FaheemMitha It is a metaphor that references one thing by one of its physical components.

Faheem Mitha

@RobustosupportsUkraine Hmm. OK. Just to be clear, that's a yes on synecdoche?

Robusto supports Ukraine

E.g., "The rancher had 50 head of cattle."

@FaheemMitha It's more than a yes. It's a yup.

Faheem Mitha

20:39

@RobustosupportsUkraine I don't grasp the distinction.

Robusto supports Ukraine

> synecdoche: A figure of speech in which the name of a part is used to stand for the whole (as hand for sailor), the whole for a part (as the law for police officer), the specific for the general (as cutthroat for assassin), the general for the specific (as thief for pickpocket), or the material for the thing made from it (as steel for sword).

So saying wired to refer to accessing the Internet is an example of specific->general. Or the material for the thing made from it.

It's got synecdoche written all over it.

@FaheemMitha Yup is a more emphatic yes.

At least when I say it.

Faheem Mitha

@RobustosupportsUkraine Ah.

Cerberus

20:59

In what context would you use this "wired"?

Mitch

@Cerberus like when you have way too much coffee. "I'm totally wired man"

or when you're typing on your laptop, you're monitoring your phone for messages, watching youtube displayed on a big screen, and an iPod nano is blasting some rocking tunes

or when you're having surgery on your occipital cortex to implant a vision center there so that you can get a bionic eye

or when you're performing a magic act where you have many invisible cables connected to your suit so it looks like you're flying.

For all of these you can say "I'm totally wired man"

@Cerberus Also, he said: " If I use the term "wired" as a reference to the Net," where 'the Net' is made up of a bunch of electric wires.

Or maybe some other context

Robusto supports Ukraine

21:25

44 mins ago, by Robusto supports Ukraine

So saying wired to refer to accessing the Internet is an example of specific->general. Or the material for the thing made from it.

Cerberus

22:26

@Mitch Ah, that feeling.

I'm just wondering in what context he wants to use this.

I'm all wired up for I am connected to the Internet?

A wired fridge for a fridge connected to the Internet?

A wired shop for an online shop?

I'm not sure how well in works in those contexts.

Especially now that people are often connected wirelessly.

The wired world for the Internet?

M.A.R.

23:32

@Vikas AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Robusto supports Ukraine

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Geezis, @Cerb, where have you been for the last 30 years?

M.A.R.

@Cerberus They don't take out your kidneys. They only do that if they're very infected or have huge stones and stuff and will actively do harm to the body if they stay inside; it's a different procedure altogether. The transplanted kidney is added like this adjunct sorta besides your bladder. So my two very small kidneys are intact and a third one is doing god's work

Cerberus

@M.A.R. Ohh I never knew that!

Interesting.

Is it doing God's work well, thus far?

M.A.R.

I suppose so. Its function is calculated by creatinine clearance, which is estimated by serum creatinine. And mine is really jumpy. If your serum creatinine gets to three or four, you're having an acute transplant rejection and need to spend some miserable days at the transplant ward while they administer very strong immunosuppressive drugs so the immune system calms down.

That's the only worry until a decade or two later, when the kidney just gives up, presumably because of all the accumulated damage over time, which is referred to as chronic rejection. Then I'd need another one.

Cerberus

I see.

So yours has not jumped to three or four yet?

M.A.R.

23:41

Nope, but for normal people it's supposed to cap at 1.4. Mine is often 1.7, but does occasionally get to above 2.

Cerberus

I see.

M.A.R.

It's not very precise yet, for all our medical knowledge. There are rare cases where it just doesn't go down that much. There are cases where the kidney gives up after nine years, and cases where it works for thirty years non-stop.

Cerberus

Perhaps they will have better medicines/procedures to keep your kidney healthy, nine years from now.

And do the immunosuppressants bother you much?

M.A.R.

@Cerberus I'm sure I've forgotten how I would generally feel without the immunosuppressants, so I'd say tacrolimus and Cellcept are pretty okay. The ones they give you at the ward to ward off acute rejection are super strong infusions, meaning, you gotta quarantine yourself a bit after being cleared. It's like a week or two of your life gone. The rest of the worries are just mental. The anxiety of keeping track with taking the medications at the right time and not forgetting

Cerberus

Today's was supremely doable for me. semantle.novalis.org

M.A.R.

23:47

And the anxiety of knowing that a higher number of acute rejections are correlated with earlier chronic rejections.

Cerberus

@M.A.R. OK makes sense.

Are there things you cannot or will not do, in daily life, because of it?

M.A.R.

@Cerberus The "can't" is pretty limited. It's just a bunch of intense exercise forms that I'm not sure I can do, because when I do them the area around the new kidney hurts. The "won't" is that generally, a healthier living is more obligatory for me than other people. Decreasing salt intake, losing some weight, that sort of thing. Even then there's 'luck' involved. If the kidney gives in it gives in.

Cerberus

@M.A.R. Ah, OK.

Then your life sounds pretty good, aside from the fear?

I mean, and of course aside from the 1001 things that might trouble anyone.

M.A.R.

@Cerberus Oh yeah, and I can do the puppy eyes thing and get out of many many situations with the pity points I get

Cerberus

Useful.

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