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Robusto

02:19

@Mitch I don't get how that is out of bounds, although I do refer to my Jewish friends as Jewish, not Jews. Although I have heard a few of them describe certain situations as being "too Jewy" for them. Well ...

I think I had a comment deleted the other day. It was in a question about joining words like "at you" sounding like "achoo" and "would you" sounding like "woodjoo" ... and in passing I quoted Woody Allen's line in Annie Hall where his character says the following:

> Alvy Singer: Well, how am I a para-? I pick up on those kind of things. You know, I was having lunch with some guys from NBC, so I said, uh, "Did you eat yet or what?" and Tom Christie said, "No, didjew?" Not, "did you", "didjew eat?" Jew? No, not "did you eat", but "Jew eat"? Jew. You get it? Jew eat?

I can't find the question, so maybe the whole thing was deleted, though I find that hard to believe.

Still, if you can't quote Woody Allen saying the word "Jew" ... well, things have reached a level of wokeness I may never reach. And hopefully will not.

imdb.com/title/tt0075686/quotes/?ref_=tt_trv_qu

Cerberus

@Robusto It is miraculous how the very large majority are against this nonsense, and yet it is being enforced by certain people.

Robusto

Indeed.

tchrist

02:40

@Robusto Here.

I presume you see what transpired.

The poster deleted his question.

Nobody deleted your comment.

Robusto

@tchrist Ah, OK.

There should be a privilege for power users to search in deleted questions for crap like that.

I couldn't really remember the question title, and I wasn't about to search through every question.

tchrist

Only moderators have a "search comments" tool.

And yes, it's a pain in the butt.

Not having that.

Robusto

But one doesn't have to be a mod to be able to do a word search for words that are likely to appear in a question or answer.

tchrist

You know you can search in your own deleted posts, right?

Robusto

The thought never occurred to me.

tchrist

02:44

It's something like user:me deleted:1.

I usually use deleted:all, so yes or not either way.

Non-moderators have to have 10k and it can only be on their own, not others'.

Robusto

I didn't expect that post would be deleted by the person who posted it, though. Few are that tidy.

tchrist

The moderator tool for searching (etc) comments doesn't use the normal search function, so it isn't like you could just add comments:mine or something.

You have posted 7,486 comments, believe it or else.

Robusto

I am falling out of love with search tools that ignore my specific requirements. If I search for exact text, I don't want something like the text, yet that is what search tools, especially on commercial web sites (I'm looking at you, Amazon) fall all over themselves to supply. I am perfectly satisfied with 0 results returned.

@tchrist I believe it. Especially since I stopped answering questions some time ago.

tchrist

Before they created the cool moderator search-comments tool, I would have to use Google, which well wasn't very good.

Robusto

I'm falling out of love with Google as well.

And not just for their searching.

They used to be the "Don't Be Evil" company. Then they decided, well, you can sometimes be evil ...

tchrist

02:51

No kidding.

I, in contrast, have posted 23,637 comments.

Robusto

I think I haven't really even answered a lot of questions on EL&U.

tchrist

Our "naughty" rates though are almost the same.

Which suggests that either that's normal or else we're equally belligerent.

You have: english.stackexchange.com/…

2,082 answers.

Whether that's a lot only you can judge.

You should get the same figures if you hit that link as I did, since it's on yourself.

Other people won't, unless they're ELU mods.

I got the shingles vaccine yesterday. I couldn't work today except for a couple hours this morning.

Sad: Europe has lost a lot of its birds.

> “Common birds are becoming less and less common, largely because the spaces they depend on are being wiped out by humans. Nature has been eradicated from our farmland, sea and cities. Governments across all of Europe must establish legally binding targets for nature restoration. Otherwise the consequences will be severe, including for our own species.”

Same everywhere, really. Humans will consume everything else in their ever-expanding gluttony of destruction, then when all is gone, themselves.

Robusto

@tchrist It's a twofer. You need another one in a year.

tchrist

3 months.

Minimum.

Cerberus

@tchrist Does not Google index comments?

tchrist

03:03

My doctor only got his first and has been putting off his second for months now because the first put him out for two days.

Robusto

I got a double one a few years ago. Then they came out with a better one and I got that one, too. Or that two, too.

tchrist

@Cerberus They do. But not deleted ones.

Yeah.

Cerberus

@Robusto Amazon is horrible. It is a major reason why I seldom look at it. When I do, Googling is better.

@tchrist OK sure, but you can't even see your own deleted comments unless you moderate, can you?

tchrist

Right. Rob's comments weren't deleted per se, so he could still see them on the deleted post.

Robusto

Correct.

tchrist

03:04

And those Google will soon forget.

Cerberus

Ahh I see.

By the way, I didn't know you could get vaccinated against shingles!

Robusto

Oh yeah.

Cerberus

My mother had it a couple of years ago, said it was pretty painful.

tchrist

It hasn't been around forever. I know many people who have suffered mightily.

Cerberus

I have never heard of this vaccination.

tchrist

03:06

It's really a curious notion, if you think about it.

Robusto

Shingrix vaccine.

tchrist

Because of course, you always carry the virus with you.

Robusto

@tchrist My brother had it when he was 30 and it was horrible. He still has a defect in one eye from that.

Cerberus

Stupid viruses.

@Robusto Oh, no.

That's pretty terrible.

tchrist

@Robusto Larry Wall had to get a cornea transplant because of it.

Robusto

03:07

You really don't want to get that shit.

Cerberus

Why don't we all get vaccinated?

tchrist

Well, it's pretty rough on you.

They figure so long as you're under 50 or something, you'll fight it off just fine. This....is not so.

Cerberus

I'd be willing to feel sick for a few days if it could protect mine eyes.

tchrist

Yep.

Robusto

/nod

Cerberus

03:08

And if you're going to get vaccinated at a later age anyway...

@Robusto Is it also the cornea?

Robusto

@Cerberus I'm not sure. I just know he can't see well out of that eye.

Cerberus

OK.

tchrist

> Healthy adults 50 years and older should get two doses of Shingrix, separated by 2 to 6 months.

Robusto

@tchrist Walgreens told me one year. But maybe that was my insurance talking.

tchrist

Perhaps you have some malady that will let you sneak in earlier than that.

> There is no maximum age for getting Shingrix.

Cerberus

03:11

Ah, there is a new, better vaccine. The older one offered too little protection for approval.

tchrist

> Most people got a sore arm with mild or moderate pain after getting Shingrix, and some also had redness and swelling where they got the shot. Some people felt tired, had muscle pain, a headache, shivering, fever, stomach pain, or nausea. About 1 out of 6 people who got Shingrix experienced side effects that prevented them from doing regular activities. Symptoms went away on their own in about 2 to 3 days. Side effects were more common in younger people.

Cerberus

The new vaccine was approved last year here.

tchrist

So all day it's been fever, headache, and surprisingly for me, also nausea. I didn't expect that.

I could of course have waited a decade and perhaps had less annoying side-effects, but really didn't want to get shingles.

> Shingrix causes a strong response in your immune system, so it may produce short-term side effects more intense than you are used to from other vaccines. These side effects can be uncomfortable, but they are expected and usually go away on their own in 2 or 3 days.

Yeah, that.

Half my immediate dev team was out today recovering from yesterday's shots.

Cerberus

I saw nausea amongst the side-effects.

They all received their shots on the same day?

tchrist

Yes.

Cerberus

03:15

Here, you have to pay for the vaccine unless you're in a risk group.

tchrist

Covid though.

Cerberus

Ohh.

OK.

It's funny how I never noticed any effect at all from either Corona shot.

tchrist

I did not pay anything. But I've never paid anything for vaccinations under my health insurance plan.

@Cerberus Consider yourself lucky.

Cerberus

Maybe you wouldn't have to pay here if you had an expanded plan.

@tchrist I wonder why some suffer and others do not.

tchrist

Yes, I have a very expanded plan.

@Cerberus Nobody knows.

Some of my family in their 70s had trouble, others didn't feel a thing.

Cerberus

03:17

Here almost everything is in the basic plan, around 100/month, which is compulsory for everyone.

tchrist

But again, the reactions are often worse in younger people.

Cerberus

I'm quite a bit younger than my parents.

Oh, well.

It's just like the disease, highly unpredictable.

tchrist

The company plan I'm in is something approaching $900 a month, but they pay 80% of it and 90% of our deductible.

Cerberus

Wow.

tchrist

And we're covered at 100% after the deductible is met.

Yes, it's one of those good plans.

Cerberus

03:19

I never understand how those deductables work.

tchrist

You have to pay out of pocket until you've paid that much in a year.

Cerberus

But our system is not entirely easy to understand either.

tchrist

There are separate levels for you vs your whole family etc.

Cerberus

@tchrist OK we have that too, it's €380 for everyone.

But those percentages?

tchrist

And it doesn't include Rx pharmaceuticals, which are their whole different thing.

Cerberus

03:20

We don't have percentages.

Rx?

tchrist

Sorry, Latin. :)

Prescription.

Cerberus

Not quite a Latin word...

But what are those percentages about?

Robusto

@tchrist I never had anything but a sore arm from it.

tchrist

 ℞  211E        PRESCRIPTION TAKE
    = recipe
    = cross ratio

Cerberus

I remember English had some weird prescription abbreviations.

tchrist

03:22

Medical prescription

A prescription, often abbreviated ℞ or Rx, is a formal communication from a physician or other registered health-care professional to a pharmacist, authorizing them to dispense a specific prescription drug for a specific patient. Historically, it was a physician's instruction to an apothecary listing the materials to be compounded into a treatment—the symbol ℞ (a capital letter R, crossed to indicate abbreviation) comes from the first word of a medieval prescription, Latin: Recipere (Take thou), that gave the list of the materials to be compounded. == Format and definition == For a communication...

The percentages are just that the company chips in 80% of the monthly cost of the coverage. Which is pretty normal here.

But it's a very pricy plan, which is not so normal.

And then they also reimburse us for 90% of our out of pocket deductible, whatever that is. It may be $4000 per year or even $6000 year (per family maybe). I never remember those data.

Cerberus

Ahh OK.

So when I see a percentage related to a deductible, it is always about how much an employer might reimburse of something you would have to pay, not something that's actually in the contract itself of the insurance company?

tchrist

No, it's extremely uncommon for an employer to reimburse you for your deductible. The percentage you're using to seeing is something like 50%/50% or 70%/30% etc.

Once your deductible has been met, then an 80%/50% plan reimburses you 80% of your costs if your provider has a contract with your insurance company, and 50% otherwise.

My plan is 100%/80% after deductible.

And I've never had an out-of-network charge.

Cerberus

So complicated.

So your employer pays you 90% of your deductible anyway?

tchrist

It's coverage I could never afford if I were not working for an employer, and specifically this one. As a private citizen, you could not even purchase it.

@Cerberus Correct. It used to be 100% but then there was an issue with the feds slapping us with a penalty tax for that, so they dropped it.

Cerberus

How come employers can afford this but not private citizens? Is it because employers can deduct the cost from their taxes, whereas you could not?

tchrist

03:29

No.

You can deduct it as a private citizen.

It's because it's a group plan.

Cerberus

You get huge discounts on group plans?

tchrist

Kind of?

Group plans are able to safely cover more because those edge cases won't be needed by most people.

Cerberus

I wish we'd go back to no plans at all.

@tchrist I'm not sure I understand that. Why couldn't edge cases be paid for individuals?

tchrist

People pay thousands of dollars a month for their health insurance plans, and they still get less than this.

Cerberus

I think we could save a lot of money, as a society, by getting rid of insurance and plans altogether.

And you even more.

tchrist

03:32

One can purchase a platinum plan: healthmarkets.com/resources/health-insurance/platinum-plan But that's still only a 90% plan not a 100% plan.

@Cerberus Oh yes.

Cerberus

Our current system rides on the latter Neo-Liberal waves of the nineties.

Some wish to go back to the part of the old system where you have no plans nor insurance.

tchrist

> In 2021, the average premium for an ACA platinum plan is $709 per month for a 40-year-old person.

CowperKettle

Word of the morning: y-intercept (the point where the curve built using an equation intercepts the Y axis)

Cerberus

The only thing is that this system is used by the Ministry to squeeze the healthcare system, to prevent extreme cost increases.

tchrist

Mine costs more than that per month, because it's a 100% plan not a 90% plan.

Cerberus

03:34

So they don't want to return to managing a system themselves.

tchrist

@Cerberus The British NHS is huge, isn't it?

Cerberus

Hugely expensive?

No, but it has been squeezed and squeezed.

tchrist

They have to do everything, right?

Cerberus

Who?

I think have have somewhat long waiting-times and such.

I think we need to accept that we will spend more and more on healthcare as society ages.

tchrist

The government. They have to manage the whole system in a way that perhaps yours does not.

CowperKettle

03:35

In Russia, healthcare is free of charge, except for dentistry, which costs an arm and a leg, especially in cities where there seems to be a cartel agreement, at least that's the feeling I have. People travel from Yekaterinburg to small poor towns of the region to get their teeth cured.

Cerberus

And we need to get rid of patents, whose costs continue to rise much sharper than other healthcare costs.

@tchrist Yes, exactly.

tchrist

I first read that as needing to get rid of patients. :)

Cerberus

Our system is very heavily regulated, but the Ministry has a shield between itself and paying out doctors.

@tchrist That would help.

Have you ever played the computer game Theme Hospital?

tchrist

Imagine paying for good health insurance if you're a family of 5, with the parents over 40.

I have not.

Cerberus

@CowperKettle Oh, yes, we have poorly covered dentistry, too, which is craze. Dentistry is healthcare. It should be covered likewise.

tchrist

03:38

It's almost a crime. Our retired seniors are completely screwed.

Cerberus

@tchrist They would have an announcer shout messages at random moments during play, as one might hear through the intercom of an hospital.

tchrist

And many of the rest of us as well.

Cerberus

She would say things like, with a typical, overly friendly announcer's voice, "message to all patients: please try not to die in the corridors. Thank you!".

CowperKettle

Word of the minute: brow bone reduction

tchrist

@Robusto Well I also got the Fluzone quadrivalent vaccine yesterday, not just the Shingrix one.

@CowperKettle Eek make it go away!

CowperKettle

03:41

Interestingly, men pay to do the contrary thing: brow bone implants

To look more male.

tchrist

Can't they just stop wearing a bra to produce that effect?

Looks more Neanderthal.

CowperKettle

Women? I guess if a woman stops wearing a bra she feels uncomfortable when moving and running.

tchrist

No, the men. :)

CowperKettle

I wonder if there are specialized bra for people with polythelia

tchrist

I have seen a man with complex health issues who had to wear a bra.

CowperKettle

03:44

My friend in Moscow is a psychiatrist, he sees a lot of such men.

'Antipsychotics often make your breast grow.

tchrist

Gosh that's horrible.

CowperKettle

By suppressing dopamine they elevate prolactine.

Which also causes depression, an elevated prolactive in men.

tchrist

Step 1, stop being psycho. :(

Cerberus

Theme Hospital Announcer Voices

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CowperKettle

That's why there is constant search for new antipsychotics, less harsh on your dopamine.

tchrist

03:46

Even suicidal children involuntarily checked into a mental health hospital for their own protection by their parents are given antipsychotics.

And when they're boys, that effect can make everything worse for them.

How their dopamine gets that screwed up I have no idea. Fortunately, I am not a doctor or a patient in any of this, so don't really need to.

If I were their parent, I would feel compelled to try to understand it better.

But I've seen it happen, and more than once to unrelated families.

Cerberus

Weird.

tchrist

There has been quite a run on teenage suicides during lockdown in the less populated areas of Colorado.

Cerberus

Terrible.

CowperKettle

Word of the minute: bloom (the spongy mass of metal formed in a furnace by the smelting process)

tchrist

And this past year here in Boulder there have been like 20 accidental deaths of teenagers taking fake pills that were sold to them as something like oxycodone but actually contained lethal amounts of fentanyl. It's terrible.

CowperKettle

03:52

I'm sorry to hear that.

Maybe it's also the case in Russia.

tchrist

These are being made in Mexico, and they have the same color and imprint markings as legitimate pharmaceuticals. It's gotten so bad they've been giving out testing strips as a harm reduction measure.

CowperKettle

Did they buy them via the Internet?

tchrist

No.

From shady Mexican or Mexico-supplied street hustlers.

The public messaging has been to tell them never to take something they didn't themselves take home from the pharmacy.

This, apparently, is difficult. It's not something I ever encountered in my life, so it is hard to understand for me.

You hear about teenagers pilfering their grandparents' pill boxes for sedatives or opiate pain medicine, but to actually go out and buy illegal controlled substances in an alley somewhere or other, it's like a death wish. But they don't understand this.

And it has been killing them. Really badly.

CowperKettle

Word of the minute: small clothes (Knee-length breeches, worn especially in the 18th century) (Sorry for flooding; I'm reviewing my overdue Anki records)

tchrist

I always thought that small clothes meant your underwear.

I guess maybe this is that.

CowperKettle

03:57

I just did not know about this term until I heard that song written in 1802

I wish I could translate it to Russian in rhyme and style.

tchrist

It's an old term. Not a current one.

CowperKettle

The Unfortunate Miss Bailey

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tchrist

I have to go bed. Again. Need another 12 hours of sleep or something. And I got that last night plus a 2 hour nap.

Stupid shots.

Good night.

CowperKettle

Good night!

Cerberus

Sleep well.

CowperKettle

04:16

KannE

04:31

@Cerberus Haitians, if I remember correctly, don't queue up at the beach showers. But one guy realized and yelled "queue" several times (which confused some of the angry mob) and they all lined up like, 'Oh, why didn't you say so; no problem.' I think my husband may have told him; I can't remember now.

Xanne

Well, the Moderna lasts longer, partly because it was given in bigger doses. That’s what the most knowledgeable people here are saying. And mix’n’match is okay for the booster. So I mixed.

CowperKettle

> If death and time are stronger,
Pfizer may yet be strong;
The world will last for longer,
But this will last for long

A.E. Housman

> Oh, MoH may borrow
What pharma firms can lend;
And ’twill not end to-morrow,
Though sure enough ’twill end.

prosody-Gabe Vereable Context

@Robusto ℞ would be Presearch.com? Finally, open code standards, for a search engine, means Search Operator Standards? (Disclaimer: I am not an investor (I just got my jnj booster shot however))

Cerberus

04:47

@KannE I suppose there is an advantage to queues.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in title (99): situs judi online terbaik by domino99 on english.SE

CowperKettle

05:01

> - You're the man, you should pay for the meal.
- I self-identify as a hobo.

бомж (bomzh) - "без определённого места жительства" = "without a specific place of abode", a late Soviet officialeze for hobos, since officialy there were no hobos in the USSR. Hence the initialism B.O.M.Zh (Б.О.М.Ж.)

KannE

@Cerberus I think the videos showing the people crowd into the subway cars (or whatever) are terrifying, but they all look bored.

Cerberus

@CowperKettle We used to call those people 'travelling' in polite documents...

KannE

@CowperKettle LOL! And me. Guilty. I have no idea how to screenshot. It can't be that hard, but I don't. GN.

Cerberus

@KannE Which ones?

CowperKettle

05:19

Bob Dylan - Gotta Travel On (Official Audio)

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KannE

Well, I don't know how to say it, all PC like, now that I've started a race riot, with myself. Hmm, oh well, all those Asians just pressing into those subway cars (or Metro whatever). It's scary; surely some of them are dragged under the train every year, or month, IDK.

I see these things on FB. People share them; I don't know where they find them.

CowperKettle

06:00

> Former aide to the Russian Minister of Finance died in his motor garage after trying to dismantle a mortar round. He was using a hacksaw and the old WWII round exploded, fatally injuring him. tvrain.ru/news/…

Is there a safe technique for dismantling a live mortar round with a hacksaw?

I googed "how to dismantle a mortar round by sawing it apart" but only came across mentions of deaths and injuries. Hands, arms amputated, horrible outcomes.

Cerberus

@KannE Oh, the Tokyo metro, yes.

Xanne

07:06

peoacwa.army.mil/2021/04/12/…

@CowperKettle You want a robot for that kind of work.

CowperKettle

11:17

Minus 7°C

CowperKettle

11:57

Its My Life | Sri Lankan Version | Sandaru Sathsara

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I was jogging until a real blizzard started ))

But now the sky is clear

Kinda.

There are beautiful clowds but no blizzard.

CowperKettle

12:24

Буран в Екатеринбурге

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Blizzard today in Yekaterinburg. A couple of road accidents, car collisions

SmokeDetector

12:55

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at beginning of answer (34): Spot the error in the sentence by Keval Kapadia on english.SE

tchrist

13:22

@CowperKettle We just got our first dusting of snow. It's 10 degrees below freezing, so 22F.

Robusto

14:13

@CowperKettle If you have so many unexploded mortar rounds around you that you're sawing them in half to dispose of them, maybe moving to a different area would be a better solution?

@tchrist We're still well above freezing here. I'm still riding in shirtsleeves for now, as the temperature is pretty balmy. Will still be in the 60s tomorrow, I think.

Mitch

14:32

@Robusto I can sense some very slight disparagement in the word 'Jew' but it is hard to quantify and is much much less hurtful than other terms. It is slightly -more- disparaging to me than say Spaniard (which is not at all disparaging, just kinda old-fashioned). Like with the n-word argument, if you're Jewish, it's OK (under circumstances) to use 'jew', but to someone who is jewish maybe it sounds disparaging if others do.

@CowperKettle Huh 'буран' is blizzard... so the Soviet Space Shuttle was named 'blizzard'.

CowperKettle

15:03

Russian rural girls, 1916, by S.A. Lobovikov

Colorized, most surely.

@Mitch Yes ))

@Robusto No, I don't have any lying around. I just wondered about that old guy who died.

Maybe he had managed to take apart some rounds previously without incidents.

It would be crazy to just randomly saw them apart. One would usually google, find the scheme of the round. Investigate whether it's safe and how best to do it, and how to protect oneself.

A Duma deputy has just said that the time has come to ban YouTube in Russia.

Putin is gauging the public reaction through such random statements by third-tier politicians.

A former Russian colonel was given a 3-year suspended sentence for telling a joke about Putin's gendarmerie established several years ago to suppress discontent, the so-called Russian Guard (Rosgvardia)

The sentence was announced today.

He got off easily, could have gone to jail in the first post-Soviet case of a real jail term for a political joke.

So it has passed exactly 30 years since the fall of the USSR to the first court sentence for a joke.

> Today, Bellingcat & @the_ins_ru publish “Inside #Wagnergate” – a year-long investigation that establishes the circumstances around the Ukrainian operation to capture dozens of mercenaries who fought for Russia-supported military entities in Eastern Ukraine

bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2021/11/17/…

> I heard that (president) Zelensky is giving a thousand (hryvnia for vaccination).
I vaccinated my cat.

In Ukraine, president Zelensky announced that people will get 1000 hry for vaccination.

That's $37.

CowperKettle

16:59

> A Russian National Guardsman wakes up in the hospital. The surgeon at the bedside says:
- Well, we've removed your balls, you will soon be okay!
- But I went to this clinic to remove my appendix, not my balls!
- Well, when you arrested me in the street, I was telling you that I was walking home and not to a political rally!

This is the joke for which a former Russian colonel was given a suspended penal colony sentence of 3 years. If he commits any further "crime", he will be relocated from under police observation to the colony.

Hm. Maybe he called on to the public to act like the doctor in the joke?

I cannot believe that for just telling this joke, which has been told by countless people online over the last year, a person can be given a sentnce.

Robusto

@CowperKettle The turmoil they must have gone through in their lives.

@CowperKettle Yes, that is entirely fucked up.

CowperKettle

@Robusto Yes, their relatively calm life was about to end in one year after this photo.

KannE

22:07

Someone should terminate my commenting privileges. I tried to do it myself. It didn't work out; my bad.

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