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Modern dance in an old setting.
 
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The moustache cup (or mustache cup) is a drinking cup with a semicircular ledge inside. The ledge has a half moon-shaped opening to allow the passage of liquids and serves as a guard to keep moustaches dry. It is generally acknowledged to have been invented in the 1860s by British potter Harvey Adams (born 1835). == Historic context == Moustaches flourished throughout the Victorian era. In fact, from 1860 to 1916, the British military actually required all of its soldiers to sport a moustache for the authority it imparted to the moustachioed man. Often, moustache wax was applied to the moustache...
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Fall of Kabul, 15 August 2021
Fall of Saigon, 30 April 1975
Helicopters have really made a big progress in the last 50 years. You can lift a lot more per one ride.
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@CowperKettle Presumably also kill people more efficiently with them.
Tsenacommacah (pronounced in English; "densely inhabited land"; also written Tscenocomoco, Tsenacomoco, Tenakomakah, Attanoughkomouck, and Attan-Akamik) is the name given by the Powhatan people to their native homeland, the area encompassing all of Tidewater Virginia and parts of the Eastern Shore. More precisely, its boundaries spanned 100 miles (160 km) by 100 miles (160 km) from near the south side of the mouth of the James River all the way north to the south end of the Potomac River and from the Eastern Shore west to about the Fall Line of the rivers.The term Tsenacommacah comes from the...
Turns out the British established their first colony in an area called "densely inhabited land" in the early 1600s. Tsenacommacah.
Jamestown was the least beneficial location. All the other spots were occupied, and there were numerous farms and fields tended by Indians.
The Indians regularly cut and burned trees, and so there were fields everywhere.
After European diseases killed off the Indian population, the English settlers complained about thick woods that sprung up all around.
> As such, these two tribes still make their yearly tribute payments, of fish and game, as stipulated by the 1646 and 1677 treaties. As far as anyone knows, the tribes have not missed a "payment" in 331 years. Every year, on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, they go to the Virginia Governor's house in Richmond to make their yearly payment. A ceremony is held in which a deer, turkey, or fish and some pottery are presented to the governor.
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@CowperKettle That's very strange. But people are strange.
 
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> According to the US Department of Defense, the total military expenditure in Afghanistan (from October 2001 until September 2019) had reached $778bn.
778 billion dollars - that was enough to link all cities of Afghanistan by railroads. They should have just invested in infrastructure under the Taliban, and that might have propelled the country towards a more developed society.
But I could be worng
@CowperKettle they don't seem to mind it.
@CowperKettle Where you're wrong is your optimism that it wasn't a conscious choice for that money to be military expenditure
They keep saying America is a lot different from forty years ago. Seems pretty similar to me.
 
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@M.A.R. With respect to what, the Shah's fallen regime?
@CowperKettle It's a veritable money pit, throwing good money after bad in perpetuity. — Some famous general.
@tchrist There must be some way to boostrap it to a self-running condition.
I would make a lot of railways, maybe that would bring profits, because there are different countries wishing to move their goods to each other.
Along a railway one could string a power line. That would help Tajikistan sell its excess power to Pakistan, for instance.
There must be something to do.
Bailing out was wrong.
A mere 10 000 troops were able to maintain the non-radical regime over 80% of the country.
The U.N. should have set up some multinational force of 10 000 troops to ward off the Taliban.
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@CowperKettle How would that be more likely to succeed than a NATO force?
 
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@tchrist It would have allowed for the status quo to remain, with the Taliban not in complete command.
I suspect that somebody's feeding the Taliban. Maybe Pakistan. Thus no complete success would have been expected.
I recall that Pakistan's paranoid leaders hive the idea of using Afghanistan as their strategic ground in case of a war with India. Maybe they've been feeding the Taliban.
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Strategic depth is a term in military literature that broadly refers to the distances between the front lines or battle sectors and the combatants' industrial core areas, capital cities, heartlands, and other key centers of population or military production. == Concept == The key precepts any military commander must consider when dealing with strategic depth are how vulnerable these assets are to a quick, preemptive attack or to a methodical offensive and whether a country can withdraw into its own territory, absorb an initial thrust, and allow the subsequent offensive to culminate short of its...
> Since then, the Pakistan military establishment has been repeatedly accused of forming a policy that seeks to control Afghanistan, a policy often referred to by the media as "strategic depth", which is used as the reason for Pakistan's support of certain factions of the Taliban in Afghanistan.[2]
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@CowperKettle Does red mean Bielorussian, or Russian is #1 in those areas? Or maybe it was Yiddish?
@tchrist Eh, all things considered, we've had it better than many countries. I dunno why you would assume I'm referring to my own country. America has always been waging and fueling wars, and once there's nothing more to destroy or when it's just not profitable enough, or rarely when people are angry enough they let it go, make a huge power vacuum, get dictators in power, bash them in the name of American morality, rinse and repeat.
I guess what I'm saying is, among educated Americans that aren't so easily swayed by the right-wingers, there seems to be this hidden consensus that the US is repenting for its sins and trying not to boss over the world anymore.
My admittedly shallow outlook is what's happening to Afghanistan has happened like a dozen times before in the past half century
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@M.A.R. Consensus that one should or that one is?
The left would like to. I don't know that that is happening.
This from 1958 was quite literally required reading when I was in high school:
The Ugly American is a 1958 political novel by Eugene Burdick and William Lederer that depicts the failures of the U.S. diplomatic corps in Southeast Asia. The book caused a sensation in diplomatic circles and had major political implications. The Peace Corps was established during the Kennedy administration partly as a result of the book. The bestseller has remained continuously in print and is one of the most influential American political novels. It has been called an "iconic Cold War text." == Background == === Authors === William Lederer was an American author and captain in the U....
> Realpolitik is distinct from ideological politics in that it is not dictated by a fixed set of rules but instead tends to be goal-oriented, limited only by practical exigencies. Since Realpolitik is ordered toward the most practical means of securing national interests, it can often entail compromising on ideological principles.
> For example, during the Cold War, the United States often supported authoritarian regimes that were human rights violators to secure theoretically the greater national interest of regional stability. After the end of the Cold War, this practice continued.
Yeah, that.
With how interconnected and mutually dependent the world is today, "national interests" seem to be construable to occur anywhere on Earth.
Jan 12 '13 at 5:38, by tchrist
> Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till.
> And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
The Buddhas of Bamiyan were two 6th-century monumental statues of Gautama Buddha carved into the side of a cliff in the Bamyan valley of central Afghanistan, 130 kilometres (81 mi) northwest of Kabul at an elevation of 2,500 metres (8,200 ft). Carbon dating of the structural components of the Buddhas has determined that the smaller 38 m (125 ft) "Eastern Buddha" was built around 570 AD, and the larger 55 m (180 ft) "Western Buddha" was built around 618 AD.The statues represented a later evolution of the classic blended style of Gandhara art. The statues consisted of the male Salsal ("light shines...
I can see no future that does not see Afghanistan return to a "self-determined" brutal pseudo-theocratic authoritarian regime that commits unspeakable atrocities upon its own people and its own cultural heritage. What part they play on the larger stage, I daren't even ponder.
But I doubt it shall be a stabilizing role.
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@tchrist Well, as usual, you put into words my thoughts way better than I could ever have hoped to
Meanwhile, the Winter Olympics is just a few months away. I suspect Shinjang will be poorly represented there.
Word on the street is that it will return to what the West calls "medieval" practices. I don't think by "medieval" they're talking about life under the Umayyad Caliphate of Córdoba from the turn of the millennium, either.
@M.A.R. Have you and yours been vaccinated yet?
Your country's vaccination rate is low, but still it sits at double the double of Afghanistan's.
@tchrist Yep, except little brother. But apparently transplant patients don't make enough antibodies and I will need a third dose in the future.
@M.A.R. Yes.
You must be aware that this is completely normal in immunology.
Parents got the vaccine because they're medical personnel
And you because you're vulnerable?
Is your younger brother too young or merely not eligible yet there?
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@tchrist Of course, it's straightforward. But I will only brag about being a immunologist-ling when I'm done with the course, which will be in six months
@tchrist Yep, top priority
@tchrist IIRC it said at the vaccination centers that no one under the age of 18 will be vaccinated for now.
Presumably that might even mean immunocompromised juniors.
@M.A.R. Lots of countries are that way still.
The pediatric studies are taking so painfully long. We probably won't see approval anywhere until early next year.
@tchrist I'm actually surprised at how well Iran has managed the vaccination program, even though they've managed it horribly.
I believe they would like four months' of data.
Even dim lights shine in an absolutely dark room.
@M.A.R. My friend's mother is a Persian physician, and emigrée decades ago. She was good enough there to get quickly licensed here.
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@tchrist honestly it might be the pandemic depression speaking, but in the past two years, my perspective has shifted considerably from "Maybe I'll even be irrationally patriotic" to "I'm probably getting out of this shithole the first chance I get"
All of this might seem like navel-gazing to you.
Complications resulting in long-term health issues from vaccinations always show up quickly, a matter of weeks at most. There's no record of problems not becoming apparent until a year or five down the road. Four months is probably twice what they need.
@M.A.R. No.
@tchrist well, I'm no stranger to long-term complications, and made my peace with it :)
That's what you get for eating random mushrooms.
I just wish my creatinine levels weren't high right now, which seem to cause some worry for dad. It's probably an uncommon side effect of Sputnik V.
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@tchrist no random mushrooms in Tabriz
I'm way too sanitized and pampered for mushrooms
I don't know how the vaccine would have impacted kidney function, but know nothing about any of this.
Medicine is so weird. We spend all this time theorizing and speculating and coming up with theories for the smallest things, but almost every other side effect for everything has to be idiosyncratic
@tchrist suspects. Half-convinced they're politicizing it, TBH.
To be sure, Russia has also reportedly sent out its armies of trolls to convince Facebook moms that Moderna and Pfizer are dangerous.
They have.
Been thus reported. I little doubt this. It helps weaken the West.
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How I wish the villains of this world were like arrogant showy fantasy mages.
@M.A.R. There's a lot of weasel words there.
Failing that, I wish I could live in one of Le Guin's worlds.
The Word for the World is Forest
Actually haven't read that one yet.
Now reading The Dispossessed
Good.
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Okay, I should sleep now. Long day ahead. G'night @Tch
 
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A: What does "voice" mean in the context of written language?

John Lawler Why is the grammatical category of "voice" so named? Good question. I wondered about that, too, and figured it was Latin -- vox, vocis, after all -- so I checked Donatus. But he doesn't use the term at all, and doesn't even group active and passive in a separate category; they're called 'types ...


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