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2:44 AM

Cross procession to commemorate the murder of Tsar Nikolai II and his family.

This year, they wanted to cancel it, but then the Church leaders said they will do it anyway.

> A 10-week trial found fermented food diet improved microbiome diversity and reduced inflammatory biomarkers while a high-fiber diet had little effect

@CowperKettle The clergy are still monarchists? Who would have imagined? :)

3:03 AM

@tchrist The authorities and the Church initially said they would cancel the procession due to covid.

Then for some reason Church leaders started saying they would go anyway.

They are not exactly monarchists ))

They just bow down to any supreme authorities.

3:28 AM

Zhuge Liang

Zhuge Liang (pronunciation in PRC Standard Mandarin: [ʈʂú.kɤ̀ ljâŋ] (listen); 181–234), courtesy name Kongming, was a Chinese statesman and military strategist. He was chancellor and later regent of the state of Shu Han during the Three Kingdoms period. He is recognised as the most accomplished strategist of his era, and has been compared to Sun Tzu, the author of The Art of War. His reputation as an intelligent and learned scholar grew even while he was living in relative seclusion, earning him the nickname "Wolong" or "Fulong", meaning "Crouching Dragon" or "Sleeping Dragon". Zhuge Liang is...

I found it hard to find his name.

I'm listening to a history of China, and his name sounded to me like Ju Golean

4:08 AM

> Atmospheric measurements show that deforestation and rapid local warming have reduced or eliminated the capacity of the eastern Amazonian forest to absorb carbon dioxide — with worrying implications for future global warming.

> But he better keep movin' and don't stand still,
If the 'skeeters don't get then the 'gaters will.

I came across a sentence at The Hindu, the local newspaper:

> He helped us with money for food and other essentials,” she said, adding that her 100-year-old mother-in-law fell while walking and broke a bone and was had to be hospitalised.

I searched and found very little occurrence of this construction. Now wondering if this is at all correct.

Or is it just a mistake?

4:32 AM

@Man_From_India I think that was should be omitted

Probably a typo

Word of the day: charm needle, or susuk

Susuk

Susuk or charm needles, are needles made of gold or other precious metals, which are inserted into the soft tissues of the body to act as talismans. Susuk has various supposed purposes, ranging from the purely aesthetic to the treatment of joint pains and other minor ailments. This practice is also used as protection against injuries and accidents. Because the Susuk practice pre-dates the Islamicization of the region, it is prohibited (forbidden) by modern Islamic scholars (haraam). With the advent age of modern medical technology i.e. radiography, the presence of susuk must be highlighted, as...

Thanks Kettle. I also thought so. But there are some very rare occurrence like that that I could find.

> There was had to be a discreet lost ....

> Taylor was had to be hospitalized ....

Like this

5:15 AM

@Man_From_India All of those are mistakes.

The author first wrote was, then wanted to change that into had to be, but forgot to delete was in the process.

It is best to search Google Books in case you want to check whether a phrase is correct/possible.

Although even books contain typos/errors.

5:30 AM

Yes I did. I made a quick search on corpus. And all these are from spoken English. I also thought it so. But I was confused when I saw it on a popular well maintained English daily here in India. So I decided to ask it here and make a corpus search in a better way when I am back home at my desktop.

@Man_From_India Ok well done.

Thank you 😊

But it's still a mistake!

Yes got it.

Cool.

6:00 AM

> Mr. Nasir was shot on February 24 when he and his family were on the way from a hospital after his sister’s operation and had reached home safely in a cab but en route dropping the cab driver till Gokulpuri junction, he was shot at by a mob and he lost his right eye in the incident.

I really can't figure out the bold part. What does that mean?

Russia's Republic of Tyva has instroduced a strict covid lockdown tayga.info/169673

SmokeDetector

6:29 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially problematic ns configuration in answer (88): In art, what do we call a painting within a painting and the painter painting himself? by shahla khodadadi on english.SE

7:57 AM

Poop jokes are not my favorite but they are solid number two.

9:19 AM

With gold fillings?

10:08 AM

New Community VP seeks your input - what should we be looking to change and what is inviolable?

Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Laboratory

12:40 PM

The Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Lab was a toy lab set that was produced by Alfred Carlton Gilbert, who was an American athlete, magician, toy-maker, business man, and inventor of the well-known Erector Set. The Atomic Energy Lab was released by the A. C. Gilbert Company in 1950. The kit's intention was to allow children to create and watch nuclear and chemical reactions using radioactive material. == Background and development == Gilbert believed that toys were the foundation in building a "solid American character", and many of his toys had some type of educational significance to them. Gilbert...

12:57 PM

Dishwasher salmon

Dishwasher salmon is an American fish dish made with the heat from a dishwasher, particularly from its drying phase. == Preparation == Pieces of salmon are spiced and wrapped tightly in at least two layers of aluminium foil and put in a dishwasher. The dishwasher is set to perform the wash and dry cycle. Depending on the model of the dishwasher, the salmon is cooked, steamed and ripened. An advantage of the method is that the prepared dish does not smell. There is nothing preventing one from washing the dishes at the same time, provided that the package is tight enough. == History == Vi...

1:11 PM

That wouldn't make much sense in America.

"Bicyclists must dismount" signs are occasionally seen.

@tchrist Why?

> Italian physicist Ettore Majorana notoriously disappeared in 1938 without leaving a trace.

@CowperKettle Because we just don't use cycle as a verb like that.

@tchrist You use the verb "bicycle"?

Or "ride a bicycle"?

No. They ride.

Yes

Riders must dismount.

1:18 PM

I thought that due to the TV and the Internet the language varieties should equalize.

> Cyclists riding on a sidewalk must dismount before entering a crosswalk, right?

@CowperKettle Nope. Too much inertia.

> When cyclists ride on the sidewalk, they assume the same rights and responsibilities as pedestrians. At an intersection they should use the crosswalk, but in Washington, the law doesn’t require cyclists to get off their bikes.

> I can already hear the counter-argument; eventually a cyclist riding on the road will need to go onto the sidewalk. After all, we don’t have parking lots for bikes, except for bike racks that are located, you guessed it, on the sidewalk.

I started on a H. Pylori eradication scheme. Bitter taste in the mouth thus far, from the antibiotics.

@CowperKettle Eek. That's a difficult infection to get rid of.

bicyclecolorado.org/ride-colorado/rules-of-the-road

Notice they never use cycle as a verb in that link.

"Riding a bicycle on a multi-use path" and such is how it works out instead.

> You may ride two abreast when doing so does not impede the flow of traffic. Ride single file to allow vehicles to pass.

They ride, not cycle.

is it used as a verb in uk english?

Yes, so the Europeans think that's how we say it, too. But it is not.

1:24 PM

hmm

Cerbs uses it all the time, to great confusion.

bikeleague.org/StateBikeLaws

> Riding a bike is a healthy, fun and safe activity. However, it isn't without some risk.

We have "Bike To Work" days here, not "Cycle To Work" days.

Yeah, bikers, not cyclists.

Exactly.

@tchrist Half the world population has this bacteria. It's not harmful in many cases.

> Neutrinoless double-beta decay is a theorized process in which no antineutrinos are created. According to the theory, this would prove that neutrinos and antineutrinos are the same — that a neutrino is its own antiparticle

The physics has progressed so far that it's hard even to try to grasp anything there.

well, 0 is its own opposite.

1 and -1 are their own reciprocals

1:36 PM

So neutrinos annihilate each other?

@tchrist Riding without an object suggests to me you're on a horse...

> Sidewalk Riding

Colorado provides that no person shall drive any vehicle other than a bicycle, electric assisted bicycle, or any other human-powered vehicle upon a sidewalk or sidewalk area, except upon a permanent or duly authorized temporary driveway.

Fascinating.

Does sidewalk riding imply that you're riding a sidewalk? :)

I would read that as no horses allowed.

But I'd probably double check.

1:39 PM

> In addition, when a person is riding a bicycle upon a sidewalk, pathway or crosswalk the bicyclist shall:

Yield the right-of-way to any pedestrian and shall give an audible signal before overtaking and passing such pedestrian in a manner that is safe for pedestrians.

Not ride a bicycle where such use is prohibited by official traffic control devices or local ordinances. A person riding a bicycle shall dismount before entering any crosswalk where required by official traffic control devices or local ordinances.

@tchrist The article says that neutrinos and antineutrinos might simply be the same particle that rotates in different ways.

> If neutrinos are Majorana particles, it could help to explain why the Universe contains overwhelmingly more matter than antimatter. The Big Bang should have created equal amounts of each. nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01955-3

@Cerberus You can skip the object when enough context has been given. I don't think you'd see it come at you that way out of the blue.

Where horses are ridden, we have three-way circular yield signs.

> The first case report documents significant improvements in mood symptoms, including reductions in mania with psychotic features, following an accidental lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) overdose, changes that have been sustained for almost 20 years.

ridetherockies.com/route-2021

@CowperKettle So no annihilation?

I don't know. It's impossible to understand for me.

I need an infusion of neurons to understand such things.

2:12 PM

That's sorted on cases-per-100k.

The virus has clearly been engineered to target Republican states. :/

The slope of the curve for new cases now looks very much like it did during the other increases.

And, as always, the hospitalization rate is tracking it with a particular lag, and death rates tracking the hospitalization rate with its own lag.

Meanwhile England's rate is again as bad as it ever got to during the worst of times previously. And they're lifting all restrictions come Monday. That should certainly help, eh?

> Others warned the British government’s approach would be imitated, for political expediency, by authorities elsewhere.

“What I fear is that that the some of the worst impulses in many of our states will follow the UK example,” said Dr William Haseltine, a former Harvard Medical School researcher and a pioneering Aids researcher who chairs Access Health International, a New York-based thinktank.

“I am extremely dismayed to see the very rapid rate of increasing infections in a population that is vaccinated pretty much like we are.”

"England, the European Florida"

2:40 PM

In Russia, 21.86% of total population have been vaccinated thus far, with the 7-week average rate of 0.34%.

The rate of vaccination tripled after the Govt made it compulsory for a range of trades.

@CowperKettle That's just awful. It's going to be long cold lonely winter for some people there.

do you feel staying in the dormitory so suffocating?

but the faculty is so far from the dormitory and going there is so inefficient

I just went back the dormitory at 4 am today but now 12 hours there go there again?

I don't understand how one can work efficiently by commuting so long a distance often

I suspect people who live in this dormitory are probably those whose faculties are closer to the dormitory or whose majors are less demanding.

there are even children's song played every morning here

3:00 PM

> Sajid Javid, England’s health secretary, tests positive for Covid: Javid says he has had two jabs and is self-isolating with mild symptoms after feeling ‘a bit groggy’

I guess these people are in subjects whose studies are less demanding - if they are from a subject whose studies are very demanding, they wouldn't have time to take care of children here.

I wonder which vaccine he received. I'm guessing AZ but who knows.

He probably won't get very sick.

@Bohemianrelativist Or they consider their children more important than people without children consider them.

being a research student has already expected others to serve their material needs, but what if they still need to serve a child's material needs? That's what I feel very impossible.

Centuripe

Centuripe (Latin: Centuripae; Sicilian: Centorbi) is a town and comune in the province of Enna (Sicily, southern Italy). The city is 61 kilometres (38 mi) from Enna in the hill country between the Rivers Dittaìno and Salso. The economy is mostly based on agriculture. There are caves for sulphur and salt mineral, and water springs. == History == Thucydides mentions Kentoripa (Κεντόριπα) as a city of the Sicels, hellenized in the 5th century BC. It became an ally of the Athenians at the time of their expedition against Syracuse, and maintained its independence almost uninterruptedly (though it fell...

@tchrist I probably made a logical mistake in expressing the rate: it's the daily rate. Every day 0.34% of population received a vaccine in the last 7 days.

Thus, there's hope for a decline in deaths by October.

@tchrist I have never talked with these students with children, so don't know their major. I have never seen a classmate in my department up to my MSc having a child to take care of. But now I am not quite sure because I do not know many students in my faculty. I do know two PhD students in my faculty who have married but don't know if they have children, but they both are male. I feel it's very impossible for a female student to have married and have children in my major.

3:13 PM

@Bohemianrelativist It's unusual for young male couples to have children together.

@CowperKettle I'll trust you on the arithmetic. What would the percent vaccinated be in October given that daily rate?

Bombarder, Father's spouse, thought we children not important, but herself more important and hoped we took her as the focus of the home attention.

she always taught us to make friends in school to depend on them when we were in elementary school.

so I feel like children are school's responsibility.

A mother who does not think her children important is unworthy of the title.

But she was right that it is incredibly important to make friends you can rely on.

now she thinks we need to build a family to rely on them if we want her to help us, but thinks we need to take care care of her when she is sick.

It is complicated.

well, actually she thinks we are obliged to take care of her even when we were children when I was first grade and my sister were younger than me but complaint a lot when she needs to serve me when I was sick.

3:25 PM

It is possible for grown children to rely too much upon their parents. It is possible for parents to neglect their young children. Both are unfortunate, but the first is merely undesirable while the second is a crime against humanity.

When I say "young children" I mean children who are not grown into adults.

@tchrist when I was in elementary school, whenever a classmate asked me to help them something, I tried to find something to ask them to help me. I thought that's chance to get help.

The relationship between parents and their adult children is often complicated and sometimes fraught.

@Bohemianrelativist Did that work out well?

@tchrist yes, it's like I was afraid of not having people to help me, so whenever they asked me to help with something, I asked them to help me with something first.

but that's only when I was in elementary school.

@tchrist There's a handy website

I find I constantly have trouble, having to find classmates to talk to in hope that they can help me.

3:34 PM

@CowperKettle I can't read Vietnamese.

It says "82/111/141 days until the 50/60/70% are vaccinated"

Oh that's good.

@tchrist You can use Google Translate

Well, it's good data.

@CowperKettle Sorry I looked only at the image not the link.

That's a long time.

Even the trouble Father's spouse gave me since junior high school.

3:35 PM

We're seeing really bad things happen with rates higher than your current ones.

@Bohemianrelativist Sorry for interrupting!

> . As of 5 July, Arkansas, which has fully vaccinated less than 35% of its adult population, has acquired new Covid-19 cases at five times the national average rate. Similarly, Oklahoma, where only 39% of adults are fully vaccinated, has had a similar increase in Covid-19 cases.

I heard rabies vaccine injection is painful.

@CowperKettle So at 35% and 39%, we're seeing massive increases in those states. With your 28%, your country seems ready for the faster-spreading variants to cause trouble there.

@Bohemianrelativist The old kind which required abdominal injections was certainly so. The new kind is not. It's just a regular vaccine series staged some weeks apart unless "post exposure prophylaxis" is required. If you've just been exposed and are unvaccinated, then you must be given immediate doses of cultured human rabies immunoglobulin at the same time. This is thicker stuff than the vaccine, and you will need many injections at the same time of it. They'll use your arms and your legs both though.

They don't use your stomach any longer.

In contrast, if a vaccinated person is exposed, then only need a vaccine booster, not the whole HRIG series.

People with regular exposure, such as veterinarians, check their "titers" (roughly, immunity levels) every five or ten years to determine if they need a booster just out of cautions. It's like with tetanus boosters, which are good for ten years but they always give you a booster again if you've just had a known exposure.

3:44 PM

@tchrist but rabies vaccine is not a vaccine which is usually given for general people. That kind of vaccine is usually given only after one is bitten by a dog.

@Bohemianrelativist That's right. Unless you are working in a field where exposure it common. So animal-control officers and medics.

The only reason the vaccine can work afterwards is that the HRIG they give you at the same time slows down the infection so much that the body has a chance to train against the vaccine.

Many and perhaps most infections work faster than any vaccine can if administered after exposure.

Because rabies is virtually always fatal, they have to work extra hard, and extra fast, to save your life. HRIG treatment contemporaneous with an immediate vaccine series is a proven treatment that works to save people.

Such speciality treatments are not available for most other things you can be vaccinated against, like measles. But they also aren't "invariably" fatal infections; rabies is.

@Bohemianrelativist If you go into the Peace Corps, for example, you are automatically vaccinated against rabies before you are deployed abroad. Too many areas of the world have uncontrolled rabies running through the canine population, and too little access to expensive HRIG treatment.

Well, "expensive". HRIG has different storage requirements and expiration dates. That's part of why it's hard to get to in the poorer places.

@tchrist I have never had a rabies vaccine.

@Bohemianrelativist Neither your home country nor your host country is at high risk.

Although I don't know about the mainland. I know it is a problem in India.

But you are in a place with ready access to full treatment. Even if you were bitten there, there would be no trouble getting the full post-exposure prophylaxis required. They have refrigeration there. :)

> Peace Corps Response Volunteers will be required to obtain additional vaccinations prior to service and will receive specific instructions during the medical clearance process.

These may include:

Hepatitis A & B
Typhoid
Rabies
Japanese Encephalitis
Tick-Borne Encephalitis
Meningococcal
Seasonal influenza (flu)

> Before you depart the United States for Peace Corps, Invitees are required to have proof of immunity to, or vaccination against, the following diseases:

Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR) - Exempt if born in U.S. before January 1, 1957
Polio (childhood series plus booster after age 18 )
Tetanus (childhood series plus a current booster, not more than 7 years old)
Varicella (chicken pox) - Exempt if born in U.S. before January 1, 1980
These are vaccines you should have had as a child, or have immunity to because you had the diseases.

So like if you're going into a country with the disease we call "yellow fever" in English, you need to carry your vaccination card against that disease for entry.

Vaccines are truly one of the most impressive and effective public-health measures civilization has ever devised. Perhaps the most such.

When you look at what all the horrible things that we now vaccinate against used to do to us just a century or three ago, you'll see how they've changed our world.

4:23 PM

the worst illness in the world has no vaccine.

4:42 PM

@Bohemianrelativist Hate? Famine? Depression? Dictatorships?

5:10 PM

@CowperKettle “There’s no fires in Moscow, so they couldn’t care less.”

Yekaterinburg woman saw a sleeping drunk hobo in the street, doused him with lighter fluid and set him on fire. He died in hospital with a total body burn estimated at 60%

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5:49 PM

> When in colonies, the snapping shrimp can interfere with sonar and underwater communication. The shrimp are considered a major source of noise in the ocean.

@CowperKettle Is that her mugshot?

@tchrist No, that's from her social network account

She is under arrest and awaiting trial

6:06 PM

@CowperKettle It would have been weird to use a "slap me up silly" face for a mugshot.

6:18 PM

in Discussion on answer by Global Charm: Is there an English word for "to make valuable"?, 46 mins ago, by Lambie

Je suis au courant. Et je te dis que l'équivalence en traduction, cela n'existe pas. Ce qu'il faut c'est une équivalence par rapport au sens. Dès que quelqu'un commence à parler d'équivalence sans faire la distinction, on peut savoir tout de suite que la personne n'a pas antécedent linguistique en traduction. Si les Québecois et les Canadiens anglos se rendaient compte de cela, la vie serait bien plus facile pour eux.

in Discussion on answer by Global Charm: Is there an English word for "to make valuable"?, 47 mins ago, by Lambie

Et à part le mot français terroir (ha ha), tout ce qui est juridique est parfaitement traduisible. Sauf qu'il faut savoir comment traduire les concepts. Les textes de loi traduits du français en anglais sur plusieurs sites au Canada sont risibles, tellement c'est mal traduit.

Those were originally comments on an ELU answer, howsoever chary of English they may be. And people still wonder why I move comments to chat!

Canadians have an outstanding expertise with translation.

They don't need to be lectured.

I'm not sure the asker is actually French, Spanish, or Portuguese as she has said she suspects. His profile says that he's in Los Angeles and his posting name is hardly a Romance one. But she's a professional translator in those three languages so she may be projecting. IIRC she's an American partly raised in Brazil living in France and married to a Spaniard.

"Valorize" would seem to be a calque though.

Anyways, I just happen to be here so I read that. I'm no professional translator myself.

I was wondering if B as in B movie, from the idea "second in order", is that a misnomer when applied to a student, is that a mixup with the grading i.e. "a B student", is that a second tier student or a student who had an average of B or do you see that as meaning the same thing?

Do you understand differently a B-grade student and a B student, is a "B student" not a second tier student but actually a B-grade student shortened to B student?

6:37 PM

Yes.

I wonder because of this Q. Anyways, thanks.

Yes?

Originally, an average grade was a C, based on a bell curve.

But C is now considered a minimal effort that still passes.

So a B student is doing pretty well but not excellent.

A B movie probably isn't as good as a B student, though. :)

Hahah

:)

"B-list performers" and all.

I have no trouble reading her French without resorting to translation programs. I just didn't think it belonged in comments on ELU questions.

So I gather a B student is most likelly somewhat better than a typical or ordinary student.

It doesn't belong because it cannot be challenged properly because the French speaking resources are not here.

6:43 PM

@escarlateadamantine Probably.

By the way I wanted to thank you for caring about unicode in your cookbook. Really enjoyed that.

You're welcome. It may not play well in Peoria, but the world needs it.

A long time ago I was working in the business, before I perused your cookbook, and those Unix people and Notes people were all about Perl and I was like what is that stuff and they always had "something they could do with Perl". It was annoying. Now 20 years later I understand better. Anyways.

Cheers.

8:09 PM

supervisor

how important this person is!

how do you settle one soon?

8:43 PM

I really feel food is the most difficult issue. I feel I always lack food and never have redundant food. Every time I think to leave certain food for next day, but I finally eat it at the night due to hunger.

now I want to eat the tofu again, then I don't have food which can relieve hunger left.

it's very strange the Food World Program says saving those hungry children just takes you several minutes.

hunger is a persistent problem - it takes a lot of time every day, not just several minutes.

I looked for food yesterday along a road for a long time.

because I saw several restaurants sell Pizza and a restaurant which I really entered sells meals with vegetables uncooked.

it's just difficult to find a restaurant selling well-cooked meals.

solving hunger is really time-consuming, like just several minutes as the World Food Program says.

if it only takes several minutes, why doesn't he himself do it?

9:08 PM

@Bohemianrelativist I understand that being a stranger in a strange land is very hard. I mean this in only the kindest way, but please consider talking less here about your persistent, recurring issues with food, insects, friendship, and the like. We have broad latitude in what we discuss, but notice how seldom anyone answers you. You come off as being neurotically obsessive and depressingly maudlin, which scares people away.

@Bohemianrelativist That's a very good question for Academia.

10:21 PM

Why does former president Washington's image appear on both the one-dollar bill and the twenty-five cent coin? Shouldn't former president Washington be on the penny instead, and former president Lincoln be on the sixteen-cent coin? Why isn't former president Monroe on the five-dollar bill instead?

Is Queen Elizabeth descended from the former king Henry VII? What happens to English money once she gets formered?

I mean current Queen Elizabeth, not former Queen Elizabeth.

Former president Kennedy is on the fifty-cent coin. Surely that's wrong.

Did you know that former General Greene never returned from Afghanistan? Same when former King Richard never returned from Bosworth Field.

Formerinfo about all this, see Death Certificates.

10:56 PM

I wonder whether Prince William is princier without former Prince Phllip around any longer.

It didn't really make any difference to future Prince Archie.

M.A.R.

11:38 PM

Xanne

Lance Armstrong was a cyclist, in AmE, the New Yorker, Wikipedia, and similar places known to be users of AmE, in spite of the ghoulishness of the sport as he practiced it.